Pulling During Cutscene

People don't always want to wait when it comes to their 40th run for many reasons.

You're on your first run, but others have been waiting for days to get their stuff/token of the week, or for others to get the coins from each raid alliance to upgrade stuff. This is even more present now as the limitation is removed.

Sure it's a courtesy, but impatience is a big weight in the balance between waiting or not.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

Ugh. I'm disappointed in myself tonight. Got Toto-Rak in Roulette, with a first-timer. We get to the end boss, and the tank rushes in while the newbie is still in their cutscene. I wanted to wait, and I should have said something. But instead, I caved and went on in, thinking "It's not that big of a deal, they will just join us half-way through."

Nope. Turns out I really underestimated how quickly the boss would die, even with only one DPS. And to top it all off, the tank flippantly remarks to the first-timer at the end: "You can watch cutscenes at the inn." Wow. That is so not the point.

Moral of the story: if any of you care about supporting sprouts and helping them to enjoy their journey through the MSQ, don't be weak like I was tonight. Stand with them. Don't validate and reward selfish behaviour.

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Interestingly enough it's actually very possible for CS watcher to die in Toto-rak last boss (though I don't know what exactly triggers their deaths). I remember it was a run when I queued as a healer to help my 2 DPS newcomer who's doing their MSQ playthrough. That tank just facepulled while the two were watching CS from the top of the ledge at boss room entrance. Just when the "Darkness" weather ensues, those two suddenly drops dead while still in CS. This wasn't the first time I witnessed it so I just drop "That's what happen when one doesn't wait for CS." in party chat in hoping to see the tank owning their a$$hat behavior. (spoiler: they didn't. it's one of those muted tanks.)

That occasion upsets both of my newcomer friends.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

We will say, a dps is new. Only the 1 dps. Reach the final boss. Dps is in cut scene, and only the dps. Tank pulls. Healer disagrees because they believe the dps should be able to partipate in the whole fight and the tank should have waited for cutscene to finish. So healer stays behind barrier, and tank dies. What the healer did, CHOOSING not to participate, is reportable.

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First of all, you get a bonus for having a newcomer in your Duty Finder group, which you are told is compensation for any and all inconvenience/waiting. You implicitly agree to this compromise any time you enter a roulette, so if you're unwilling to wait for a sprout in cutscenes then it is you who are not abiding by the terms.

Second, the healer is participating. They are simply participating in helping the sprout enjoy their MSQ cutscene, and not in your imagined speed-run that no one agreed to. As someone else already mentioned in this thread, the "MSQ Roulette" now exists and has unskippable cutscenes (even if no one is new) precisely because of people like you. Do you want all dungeon cutscenes to be unskippable from now on? Because you're asking for it.

Third, if one DPS and one healer are waiting for a cutscene, it sounds like at least half the group wants to wait. So, you're certainly not in the majority in insisting that you rush ahead before the group is ready. Heck, the other DPS probably doesn't mind waiting, but is afraid to get kicked if they hurt the tank's delicate feelings. Where do you get off, pretending you decide what is "participating" or not?

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

people get nasty pushing their self righteousness

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I'm sorry, aren't you the one suggesting you'd report people who wait for others to finish their cutscenes? Sounds pretty nasty to me.

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Originally Posted by Naoki34

People don't always want to wait when it comes to their 40th run for many reasons.

You're on your first run, but others have been waiting for days to get their stuff/token of the week, or for others to get the coins from each raid alliance to upgrade stuff. This is even more present now as the limitation is removed.

Sure it's a courtesy, but impatience is a big weight in the balance between waiting or not.

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So someone's 40th run takes precedence over someone's first time because they have to get a token they got 39 weeks in a row? Wow, as I said before then lengths which people will go to, to make excuses for bad behavior. If you are using the duty roulette you are being compensated with extra tokens having a sprout in your party. That compensation is for allowing them to experience the dungeon in its entirety. I wish they would make all cut scenes unskipable because of these selfish attitudes.

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Originally Posted by Naoki34

People don't always want to wait when it comes to their 40th run for many reasons.

You're on your first run, but others have been waiting for days to get their stuff/token of the week, or for others to get the coins from each raid alliance to upgrade stuff. This is even more present now as the limitation is removed.

Sure it's a courtesy, but impatience is a big weight in the balance between waiting or not.

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It's only like what, 5 minutes lost maybe total per one raid run for cutscenes? The only cutscene usually only at the end boss of each raid run. I don't think its even 5 minutes. Maybe 2 minutes top. Or even just 1 minute. Like even if you do the raid 10 TIMES to get coins or whatever and EACH of the raids you're doing there are new people (if), it's ONLY 10 MINUTES or at most 20 minutes of waiting!

Like Holy Shit, is it such a BIG deal to wait/lose 10 minutes of your life as a show of courtesy and empathy to others?

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Originally Posted by LaughingBanana

Like Holy Shit, is it such a BIG deal to wait lose 10 minutes of your life as a show of courtesy and empathy to others?

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Hey man! People are in a hurry to get back to derping around the Limsa Aetheryte! This is serious business!
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99% Sure that the OP and the pink haired lalafell that is defending the op is the same person who is trying to create a fake echo chamber and failing miserably at it. Both on faerie. Ones highest class is only level 33 and the others is barely above 50. Its pretty obvious whats going on here. Nothing to see. Move along

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Originally Posted by JadedPurity

99% Sure that the OP and the pink haired lalafell that is defending the op is the same person who is trying to create a fake echo chamber and failing miserably at it. Both on faerie. Ones highest class is only level 33 and the others is barely above 50. Its pretty obvious whats going on here. Nothing to see. Move along

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I was thinking the same.

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Originally Posted by LaughingBanana

It's only like what, 5 minutes lost maybe total per one raid run for cutscenes? The only cutscene usually only at the end boss of each raid run. I don't think its even 5 minutes. Maybe 2 minutes top. Or even just 1 minute. Like even if you do the raid 10 TIMES to get coins or whatever and EACH of the raids you're doing there are new people (if), it's ONLY 10 MINUTES or at most 20 minutes of waiting!

Like Holy Shit, is it such a BIG deal to wait/lose 10 minutes of your life as a show of courtesy and empathy to others?

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It's too long to wait, I gonna die !

As a Sprout, i appreciate alot when people wait for me to watch the scene. (Though most of the time i was the tank and that probably helped alot).

The thing some people on this threat doesnt get is, you get the first time experience only once.

Also for people that mistakenly pulls the boss (happend to me once or twice), its not that hard to write in party chat "sorry, pulled the boss by mistake".

Believe it or not, being nice to people and keeping a good attitude during group content will increase your enjoyment of the game.

x_x I'm dead !

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

First of all, you get a bonus for having a newcomer in your Duty Finder group, which you are told is compensation for any and all inconvenience/waiting. You implicitly agree to this compromise any time you enter a roulette, so if you're unwilling to wait for a sprout in cutscenes then it is you who are not abiding by the terms.

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You are not specifically "told" the newbie bonus is compensation for any and all inconvenience/waiting. You are just stating that to further justify your argument here. If anything, the notification specifically says "One of more party members are new to this duty. A bonus will be awarded for Swift completion of objectives". Basically this can be misleading and make people rush.

Also, there are no "Terms". Just unspoken rules of FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

For someone to claim don't care for anyone here on forums says, you act fairly defensive when you got called out on your mentality.
I highlighted a few words you like to describe your fellow players with, cause you may disagree with waiting on a new player watching a <1 minute cutscene. Pretty disingenuous if you ask me.

If you don't want to wait that long, run the dungeons pre-made or don't bother or don't act surprised when people call it out.




Yen? Are you living in japan?
When was it established that I'm obligated to pay you anything? I don't recall appoving of said transaction.
Given how much you use pathetic you just look childish and probably should take a step back.

But hey, we all been edge teenagers at one point.



And suddenly you got thinskinned? That's an obvious meme and you know it. Don't throw rock in a glass house.

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Dude insinuated i am mentally ill. I am. Hence it was personal attack by gcbtw standards.

I love how two faced some maniacs are
depending if person is on their side or not.
One thread its "you dont pay their sub" but when narrative is different and """u nonpay sub""" logic works against your cause it doesnt matter anymore.
You want me to conform. Follow your logic from "lazy players" thread and pay for my sub, if u want me to play your way and push your agenda on me.
If u do not want to buy me over, git and deal with the fact, that some people dislike fake goody two shoes.

I will ignore rest of your attempts at flame war, you are not worth the trouble and possible warn from fake reports to shut me up.

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Originally Posted by Lenivy

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For someone who claimed this a few pages ago

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Originally Posted by Lenivy

Pull and ignore newb in cutscene same story, i couldnt care less what some random forum dweller thinks of me.

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you sure are quick to take a lighthearted take on your seriously bad attitude to heart.
Just saying...having a mental illness does NOT give you a freepass on being an a-hole. Take this from someone who also is suffering from mental conditions.

You still decide on you own actions.

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Originally Posted by JadedPurity

99% Sure that the OP and the pink haired lalafell that is defending the op is the same person who is trying to create a fake echo chamber and failing miserably at it. Both on faerie. Ones highest class is only level 33 and the others is barely above 50. Its pretty obvious whats going on here. Nothing to see. Move along

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That would require 2 paid subscriptions to do that. And if it was same account, you’d only see one name. Good stretch though

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

That would require 2 paid subscriptions to do that. And if it was same account, you’d only see one name. Good stretch though

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Multi-boxing is a thing, i heard.
I give you it's a lot work just to troll on forums but not like it would be the first time.

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Originally Posted by Lenivy

Dude insinuated i am mentally ill. I am. Hence it was personal attack by gcbtw standards.

I love how two faced some maniacs are
depending if person is on their side or not.
One thread its "you dont pay their sub" but when narrative is different and """u nonpay sub""" logic works against your cause it doesnt matter anymore.
You want me to conform. Follow your logic from "lazy players" thread and pay for my sub, if u want me to play your way and push your agenda on me.
If u do not want to buy me over, git and deal with the fact, that some people dislike fake goody two shoes.

I will ignore rest of your attempts at flame war, you are not worth the trouble and possible warn from fake reports to shut me up.

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Huh? What are you talking about?
I didn't start any flame war. I'm commenting on your problematic posts.
If you can't handle a little bit of critism, I urge you to stay away from the internet or don't come here all big and cocky and call people names and talk down on them.

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Originally Posted by Aniise

you sure are quick to take a lighthearted take on your seriously bad attitude to heart.
Just saying...having a mental illness does NOT give you a freepass on being an a-hole. Take this from someone who also is suffering from mental conditions.

You still decide on you own actions.

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Couldn't agree more. No one gets a free pass on terrible behavior.

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Originally Posted by JadedPurity

99% Sure that the OP and the pink haired lalafell that is defending the op is the same person who is trying to create a fake echo chamber and failing miserably at it. Both on faerie. Ones highest class is only level 33 and the others is barely above 50. Its pretty obvious whats going on here. Nothing to see. Move along

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Ah yes, two people from the same server having the same opinion, must be multi-boxing. Does that mean everyone in this thread being rude from Jenova is also multi-boxing? Idk about the other person, but I post on my alt as to avoid targetted harassment. But yes, go ahead and try to shut down conversation by accusing those who don't agree with you as being the same person. 'Cause obviously, my opinions are so ludicrous that I am the only player who feels that way. These forums as a whole are an echo chamber. Anyone who steps out of line is shut down immediately by being deemed a troll.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

Most first-timers/cutscene watchers I have run into are very quiet and don't say anything at all. This signals to the group a green light to go. Especially if there is no response when asked. There have been a few threads and videos talking about the "Norm" of running dungeons. Which is tanks pull everything up until they can't and mow it all down to completely rushing MSQ roulette, etc.

So if a first-timer/cutscene watcher doesn't respond to questions or is quiet, people will just assume to pull or go because it's the norm these days for running dungeons. Is it wrong? Highly debatable as everyone should value each others time and play style. But that never happens.

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And if they are on a console with no keyboard? How long do you wait before deciding they are being "silent and are ready" despite it saying they are watching a cutscene? The other day I literally tried six times to tell someone "no, I haven't done this before" when asked. And each time the PS4's UI would exit out of the on-screen keyboard without actually having the message I typed out showing. I did everything like you're suppose to, but it just wasn't letting me send a message. Hell, I'd barely managed to get it to let me say "hi" when we started the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

Ah yes, two people from the same server having the same opinion, must be multi-boxing. Does that mean everyone in this thread being rude from Jenova is also multi-boxing? Idk about the other person, but I post on my alt as to avoid targetted harassment. But yes, go ahead and try to shut down conversation by accusing those who don't agree with you as being the same person. 'Cause obviously, my opinions are so ludicrous that I am the only player who feels that way. These forums as a whole are an echo chamber. Anyone who steps out of line is shut down immediately by being deemed a troll.

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It’s like eorzeas own twitter mob here

Some cutscenes are long (I'm thinking Totorak and Stone Vigil here) I have lost count of times I've seen my party wipe because the tank wouldn't wait fot the person/s watching the cutscenes.

I also think it's pretty rude to go ahead and pull when you can clearly see one person - or more - aren't ready. Telling them they can watch the cutscenes some other time is very selfish; they are doing the story NOW, not some nebulous 'other time'. And what happens if every time they go in the dungeon, they get another impatient tank (it is generally the tank, I don't think I've seen anyone else do this).

You say 'the good people' as if it's a term of abuse. Since these 'good people' are the ones who are generous and unselfish enough to let the sprout watch the cutscenes without impacting their dungeon experience, I think that says a great deal about you, OP

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Interestingly enough it's actually very possible for CS watcher to die in Toto-rak last boss (though I don't know what exactly triggers their deaths). I remember it was a run when I queued as a healer to help my 2 DPS newcomer who's doing their MSQ playthrough. That tank just facepulled while the two were watching CS from the top of the ledge at boss room entrance. Just when the "Darkness" weather ensues, those two suddenly drops dead while still in CS. This wasn't the first time I witnessed it so I just drop "That's what happen when one doesn't wait for CS." in party chat in hoping to see the tank owning their a$$hat behavior. (spoiler: they didn't. it's one of those muted tanks.)

That occasion upsets both of my newcomer friends.

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Hey! So we are not alone in this! Two family members were playing together and finally got to Toto. One of them was killed while in cutscene and it was skipped. It caused a glitch too so they could not see the fight after they raised.

As can be imagined, neither were happy about this... I told them you can watch in the inn room after because it is not super obvious unless you visit the inn room.

The impatient tank and healer who caused this who we can presume did not wish to have "their time wasted" did nothing but single pull.. in Toto. They also did not aoe during pulls resulting in aggro issues and family members being attacked by mobs (black mage and monk do respectable aoe damage). Hardly any stones from the healer either from what was told to me.

If you are in hurry at the least commit. Both healer and tank had multiple jobs leveled to 60 plus and were not new.

Other stuffs worth mentioning here is if you are to warn someone about lengthy cutscenes using the chats (like I mentioned in earlier post) do this before the cutscene. Once the cutscene begins it hides the chat box and some become engrossed in the cutscene or do not know about hitting enter to bring the chat window back.

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Originally Posted by Elladie

Some cutscenes are long (I'm thinking Totorak and Stone Vigil here) I have lost count of times I've seen my party wipe because the tank wouldn't wait fot the person/s watching the cutscenes.

I also think it's pretty rude to go ahead and pull when you can clearly see one person - or more - aren't ready. Telling them they can watch the cutscenes some other time is very selfish; they are doing the story NOW, not some nebulous 'other time'. And what happens if every time they go in the dungeon, they get another impatient tank (it is generally the tank, I don't think I've seen anyone else do this).

You say 'the good people' as if it's a term of abuse. Since these 'good people' are the ones who are generous and unselfish enough to let the sprout watch the cutscenes without impacting their dungeon experience, I think that says a great deal about you, OP

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I love Strawman's ever so much.

No, Elladie. I didn't say "good people" in reference to the people waiting. I said "good guys" in reference to the ones who get downright nasty to people for not conforming. The ones that yell obscenities to the puller, threaten bans, call them vulgar names. Those, and I'll say this ironically, good people. The ones who have to attack you to your very core to try and grandstand. And how many times do I have to say, I don't pull. In fact, it was the first sentence of my original post, yet somehow people overlook that. I said, "not speaking as the puller, but here's what I witnessed." Like, holy cow, people. You're all acting as if I'm the devil or something lol.

Half of the people who responded to this thread seem to have not read the original post, at all. They see what they want to see, read what they want to read, and then get angry about it.

This post was about the double standard. How the puller is the bad guy, and not these people getting nasty. I NEVER stated that anyone who waits is awful. I never stated that waiting is inherently wrong. I've said that the mentality of "if you pull during cutscene, I'll watch you die" is reportable. Never said I would report it, just that that is against ToS. But yes people, just keep Strawman-ing this post to the heavens.

I think your accusations, your twisting of words to turn me into a villain, says a lot about you, as well as everyone else who has done so in the past 30 pages.

I'm not here attacking anyone's character. I'm not here trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm stating my opinions. They differ from yours. Cool. Yet I have responses of people trying to villainize me, attack me, accuse me of trolling and trying to create an "echo chamber" to give my opinion some sort of validation. My opinions don't need any validation. And because of that opinion of mine, people are also making unfounded, and some even downright rude, assumptions about me.

I don't have to agree with you. And no one has the right to attack me because I don't.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

Half of the people who responded to this thread seem to have not read the original post, at all. They see what they want to see, read what they want to read, and then get angry about it.

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welcome to the OF, enjoy your stay

The best is when tank starts pulling or keeps pulling when healer is in a cutscene or dead and causes the whole party to wipe because of it.

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Originally Posted by Eris4494

The best is when tank starts pulling or keeps pulling when healer is in a cutscene or dead and causes the whole party to wipe because of it.

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They do so because they are able to. Many of these tanks are often playing poorly though which causes much confusion.

It reminds me of another story involving friends! Boy does our luck seem bad or something..

There was a tank in Tam-Tara who only did small pulls and would keep moving the pack (WoW style chain pulling). Both friends were on dragoon and because they kept moving the mobs around could not keep attacking without sprint. For any who do not know this, attacking moving enemies as melee in FF14 can be feist inducing due to server tick rate. The mobs are next to you on your screen but are actually not according to the server. To elaborate, no they were not "wall pulling". They would engage one group, wait for one mob to die then start another pull and repeat.

She asked them to wait until one group is dead before moving them because it was preventing her from attacking. The tank responds with "No time" ... They then engaged the mind flayer while two others were watching the cutscene.

After reading this I am beginning to see alignment between group that is okay with ejecting sprouts from cutscenes and downright terrible gameplay. Here I thought I was the "toxic" one who only wishes for "speedruns". Now I am thinking perhaps it is more of an undiagnosed narcissism problem.

Another bit more directed towards original post and I am not saying it is acceptable to spew vitriol at others buuuuuut. Imagine being that sprout enjoying the story and going into a dungeon for the first time. You are learning how to play but your team is full of donkeys, the run is frustrating because the tank cannot maintain aggro and you keep being nearly killed. Ooooorrrr they are moving mobs around so you cannot attack and doing other disruptive things. You finally make it through and are presented with a neat cutscene when the words "Battle has commenced, you will be locked out of the fight in fifteen seconds" pops up in the center of your cutscene.

Your first thought is not probably going to be "Gee golly after this abysmal experience I sure am glad my team left me here to start the fight without me! I am having soooo much of the fun right now! This game is great!"

You may be experiencing frustration towards your team and that miiiight be the tipping point. You should not insult the person but there is understanding when it occurs especially if the offending player was making the run more difficult on top of being impatient. If this then occurs in every dungeon you do following, you may not be so kind the next fifteen times.

New players are attempting to enjoy the game too.. getting yeeted out of cutscenes or spawned into the wrong place during alliance raids that are already pretty confusing for them is not conducive to having fun. Then comes the "4 on pad!" "No one on pads again kek w" "Alliance X get on the damn pad". Well they might you see but two thirds of the alliance was telewarped into Zone 1 because someone pulled early soooo..

Haha yeah, last time I was doing the 3rd Nier Raid I started the fight with a countdown but I had the wrong chat open so didn't see people saying we had newcomers, I'm just too used to looking at my own party before pulling. Anyway, I felt bad but I already pulled can't do anything about it anymore, so I noticed I wasn't getting healed and one of my healers was constantly hugging the floor. I managed to MT it as a DRK till 5% before I finally died and here comes mister Toxic (yup that's part of his name, not all too shocking) using the brooming emote on my corpse, actively griefing me instead of talking to me.

Easiest report of my life.

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Originally Posted by MiaShino

New players are attempting to enjoy the game too.. getting yeeted out of cutscenes or spawned into the wrong place during alliance raids that are already pretty confusing for them is not conducive to having fun. Then comes the "4 on pad!" "No one on pads again kek w" "Alliance X get on the damn pad". Well they might you see but two thirds of the alliance was telewarped into Zone 1 because someone pulled early soooo..

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Ugh, jeez, I remind people in alliance chat every single time that we can wipe if they early pull there and why and they still do it. Not the new folks. It's always an impatient vet. Gotten the giants I don't know how many times.

But maybe we need that instead of unskippable cutscenes. Someone pulls before everyone is in the arena and another mob spawns and wipes the floor with them. Make it untargetable and able to one-shot everyone in there. People definitely don't early pull a second time after we wipe to the giants in LotA so could be time for some tough love in the rest of the game since people can't be polite on their own.

A lot of people in this thread are pretty much saying "SE, I can't be trusted to be nice to sprouts on my own. Please give me no choice". And I can't say I would blame SE if they listened.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

It's always an impatient vet.

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The number of times this is most true is umm, staggering.

What should happen when inspecting party members; "Ohhh, this player has most jobs at level 80. They will know what they are doing and might even help me! They went through the story too so they will want me to enjoy it like they have! Yay!"

What actually occurs when inspecting party members now; "Ugh.. another player with mostly level 80 jobs. This is going to be a long slog of run and I should be prepared. They are probably going to be rude too especially if I dare give advice."

90 percent of the time we are correct.. It is pleasant surprise when we are not.

More story time! My partners pops and their partner were doing their Toto run. The tank was not aoeing, getting lost, running into walls and sometimes not even attacking. Right clicking them reveals, dun dun dun six jobs at level 80 and a bunch at 70 ish. They also engaged the final boss without waiting..

Two other family members queue into Sastasha Hard with a sprout tank, only Warrior leveled to 50 and nothing else. This little lala proceeds to wall pull the entire dungeon and it was one of their fastest runs yet.. especially with dual mechanist aoe spam. This player waited too if anyone fell behind for any reason.

The run tends to go faster if half of the party is not feisty so if they truly wish to "not have time wasted" perhaps they should be playing better no? Maybe not botch up the Atmos fight so we wipe? Bueller?

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

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It's called common decency. I would imagine your parents once taught you about it. There is nothing inherently wrong with pulling while someone else is in a cutscene, I don't mind personally, it'll just make me go 'okie dokie, if you don't need my help, fine by me'. It's all about manners, good form.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

It's called common decency. I would imagine your parents once taught you about it. There is nothing inherently wrong with pulling while someone else is in a cutscene, I don't mind personally, it'll just make me go 'okie dokie, if you don't need my help, fine by me'. It's all about manners, good form.

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Not being condescending is common decency, too, yet here you are. If you guys wanna keep villainizing me over something I don't do to make yourselves feel better, you can have this thread to parade around in. So enjoy your echo chamber. You're all too busy arguing with Strawman's to have an actual discussion.

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Originally Posted by LaughingBanana

Lol.

I am PERFECTLY willing to bet that in such a scenario, the GM that reviews the report for the Healer would say "This is so silly, why is this person being reported?" and shakes their head about how people just really love to justify being an arse.

I am actually laughing out loud about the illogicality of your argument here. Do you REALLY expect the GM, in such a scenario, would punish the Healer if they are being reported?

Edit: oops I didn't notice this is a 29 page thread and this comment was on page 20, sorry about that, it's just so silly I just had to comment.

Double edit: the amount of length people trying to justify being an arse to another person is just astounding, TBH. 10 seconds, 20 seconds, at most 1 minute, wouldn't kill you holy shit people.

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I mean they're not wrong, it is reportable. But you can't prove they did that without them admitting to it. Afking isn't against ToS, you just happened to afk when it most benefitted you.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

Ugh. I'm disappointed in myself tonight. Got Toto-Rak in Roulette, with a first-timer. We get to the end boss, and the tank rushes in while the newbie is still in their cutscene. I wanted to wait, and I should have said something. But instead, I caved and went on in, thinking "It's not that big of a deal, they will just join us half-way through."

Nope. Turns out I really underestimated how quickly the boss would die, even with only one DPS. And to top it all off, the tank flippantly remarks to the first-timer at the end: "You can watch cutscenes at the inn." Wow. That is so not the point.

Moral of the story: if any of you care about supporting sprouts and helping them to enjoy their journey through the MSQ, don't be weak like I was tonight. Stand with them. Don't validate and reward selfish behaviour.

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Sounds like a problem for square.

Checking the game after a 4~5 years break, it's nice to see the community changed a lot. I remember back then some people would actively pressure new players to skip cutscenes and watch later in the inn just to save 20~30 seconds but then again you couldn't teleport to the boss room if you got locked out.

I guess making Prae and Castrum unskippable also had some effects.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

That would require 2 paid subscriptions to do that. And if it was same account, you’d only see one name. Good stretch though

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Offtopic but you can post during the free login campaign (which i'm currently doing), not accusing or anything just saying it's possible.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

I mean they're not wrong, it is reportable. But you can't prove they did that without them admitting to it. Afking isn't against ToS, you just happened to afk when it most benefitted you.



Sounds like a problem for square.

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Sounds like a quick way for all dungeons to get the Castrum/Praetorium treatment if it becomes enough of an issue. All now get to enjoy the cutscenes, no skipping, no rushing.

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Originally Posted by Mysuke

I guess making Prae and Castrum unskippable also had some effects.

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Yeah most people just leave if they didn't queue for it(mentor roulette). Though it is an easy way to grind tomes for old relics now.