New Instanced Raids (03/07/2012)

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Originally Posted by Jinko

This is true it changes size, but I have yet to see it change style, perhaps its a new addition though.

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It's the same in both, just seems to rotate on the one used on the bat - which I think is due to the bat turning around while encased in the ice. If you look closely though, it's the exact same ice casing, along with it breaking off. The sounds are identical as well.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

It looks alright..
While watching the video all I could think was "Man it'd be awesome if there were some NON-instanced dungeons like that."

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I swear... at some point the entire game will be instanced and the only time you see other people will be through content finder....
Thats one of the things I thought Tanaka had the right idea about. Although leves were implemented poorly, the idea of open world instanced content was innovative...

Don't be too dissapointed guys; this is the lower lvl dungeon of the two, the r50 aurum vale one actually looks quite cool with its geothermal pools.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6UtlDJGDIk

http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/...utumVale03.png

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Originally Posted by Gold_Lion

Don't be too dissapointed guys; this is the lower lvl dungeon of the two

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Had to stop reading right there.

How do you know that Cutter's Cry is a "lower level dungeon"? Back when the names of the new raids were unveiled, both were advertised as "level 50" and we now know that level 45+ 8-person party is the requirement for Cutter's Cry. Aurum Vale could have the same requirements and have mobs of equal difficulty for all we know.

True the other dungeon will probably have the same restrictions; atleast it looks cooler XD!

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Originally Posted by Antanias

Had to stop reading right there.

How do you know that Cutter's Cry is a "lower level dungeon"? Back when the names of the new raids were unveiled, both were advertised as "level 50" and we now know that 45+ 8-person party is the requirement for Cutter's Cry. Aurum Vale could have the same requirements and have mobs of equal difficulty for all we know.

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Originally Posted by Gold_Lion

Don't be too dissapointed guys; this is the lower lvl dungeon of the two, the r50 aurum vale one actually looks quite cool with its geothermal pools.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6UtlDJGDIk

http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/...utumVale03.png

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Cutter's Cry is not a low level dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Rydin

I swear... at some point the entire game will be instanced and the only time you see other people will be through content finder....
Thats one of the things I thought Tanaka had the right idea about. Although leves were implemented poorly, the idea of open world instanced content was innovative...

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Seems this is what people want and what makes a good MMO. Leves were fine (it only suffered from the fact it was the ONLY content in the game at launch besides story and class quests) so they could have easily just instanced mobs and leave it open world.

Hopefully the Crystal Tower is open world besides just the outside sections.

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Originally Posted by Rydin

I swear... at some point the entire game will be instanced and the only time you see other people will be through content finder....
Thats one of the things I thought Tanaka had the right idea about. Although leves were implemented poorly, the idea of open world instanced content was innovative...

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Yup. That's why they bothered to release open world strongholds.

I'm sure we'll be getting both instanced and open world content going forward, just like we have been.

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Originally Posted by Galadrios

I almost came...

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Almost?....

Oh the monk kick attack seems like a skill similar to cleric or berserk.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Cutter's Cry is not a low level dungeon.

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It makes complete sense for a low level dungeon to be surrounded by Rank 60 drakes and rank 85 ogres.

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Originally Posted by Rau

It makes complete sense for a low level dungeon to be surrounded by Rank 60 drakes and rank 85 ogres.

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Mobs can still be redistributed, or ppl can learn to walk past drakes and mites. As far as ogres go, good luck :D

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Originally Posted by Teknoman

Oh the monk kick attack seems like a skill similar to cleric or berserk.

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Sort of. It's essentially like the elemental fist skills. It's a buff to AA that adds an MP drain, but stays on indefinitely until MP runs out or it's manually toggled off.

Only thing that's unknown is how exactly the Kick buff will work. What I predict is it will simply add a 3rd hit to the regular AA, essentially making it a punch > punch > kick. One extra hit per AA, at least 1.5x the damage, and not elementally based so effective versus every mob, and hopefully (logically) it stacks with the elemental stances.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

While I understand why there are time limits for the instances, I feel that greatly hinders the experience of the runs, personally. I loved spending hour exploring dungeons in XI and such, I would love to be able to do the same in these dungeons, despite them being instanced.

I'm not a huge fan of speed runs or anything, but we should be given the option to turn on or off time limits. Turning off the time limit reduces drop rates, but allows us to fully explore the dungeon with no real feeling of restraint. Enemies can also be much more difficult as well as a trade off. Or something. I don't know. I dislike stuff like that, but the time limits are a huge turn off as well.

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We have dungeons, In open world, and doesn't have timer.

Looks like copy pasted copperbell mines to me. But the chimera is cool.

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Originally Posted by Rau

It makes complete sense for a low level dungeon to be surrounded by Rank 60 drakes and rank 85 ogres.

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We all already know they will change whats outside...
just like they did with Moogle

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Originally Posted by Kyra

Looks like copy pasted copperbell mines to me. But the chimera is cool.

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It's just the old development teams area for a dungeon filled with actual stuff. Better areas should come 2.0.

Sooo gear change after cutscene hmmmmm...

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

We have dungeons, In open world, and doesn't have timer.

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We also have bots, in open world. We don't need that. Especially with claiming enemies. Instances are completely fine, I just don't like the timers. We don't need to abolish instances to remove the timer.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

We all already know they will change whats outside...
just like they did with Moogle

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Unfortunately this, because they know people will complain. Pretty soon every node will be easy to get to and my guide will be pointless.

EWWWWW!!!
New content and we are still going to be in Fabul!!!
EWWWWW!!!
Gonna make meds on my ALC till things settle i think.

I know a lot of people are sick of class stacking, I don't mind as much. But I'm thinking with tail and multi head there could be multi incaps that would utilize different classes/jobs. Well see.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Like Chyio said in WoW you can't do that because the mobs don't reset which means if you aggro something you either kill it or you die, I think in 11 they didn't reset either.

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Exactly. Enemies inside instances should never reset (unless you wipe). If you aggro them, they should hunt you down until you kill them. Or you suck it up and die. This would remove the ability for players to run through and skip the trash.

SE needs to take the leash off inside instanced dungeons. This is how it works in WoW and various other MMOs.

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

Unfortunately this, because they know people will complain. Pretty soon every node will be easy to get to and my guide will be pointless.

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soon as in 30 instances later when we finaly have a reason to go to the rest of them lol

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

This is how it works in WoW and various other MMOs.

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"FFXIV should be it's own game, not copy X,Y,Z MMO!"

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Originally Posted by Elexia

"FFXIV should be it's own game, not copy X,Y,Z MMO!"

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Wow... such an epiphany.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

"FFXIV should be it's own game, not copy X,Y,Z MMO!"

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I'm not disputing that at all. All I'm saying is that other games do some things a certain way because time and testing has proven they work.

I would much rather enemies in instances don't reset because it makes for a more challenging experience. Not just because that's the way other games do it.

A wise man once said being unique for the sake of uniqueness alone isn't always a good thing. ;)

I'd much rather they didn't reset at all, but after all people bitched about dying so much and SE listened >.> I wish people weren't so afraid of any kind of challenge in MMOs these days that didn't deal with boring PvP (pretty much all you have to do after you faceroll dungeons.)

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I'd much rather they didn't reset at all, but after all people bitched about dying so much and SE listened >.> I wish people weren't so afraid of any kind of challenge in MMOs these days that didn't deal with boring PvP (pretty much all you have to do after you faceroll dungeons.)

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It wasn't about challenge
Enemies in instances reset the same way enemies in open world reset
Its a combination of the server structure and the fact that Tanaka didn't want to see people training a million MOBs and mana/summoner burning them

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I'd much rather they didn't reset at all, but after all people bitched about dying so much and SE listened >.> I wish people weren't so afraid of any kind of challenge in MMOs these days that didn't deal with boring PvP (pretty much all you have to do after you faceroll dungeons.)

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We're pretty much on the same page, there. I think people should be held accountable for their actions in instances. It's why they're instanced. It's a closed environment where the rules are different and you have to step up your game. And if you aggro something you're not supposed to, you rise to the occasion or you fail. You shouldn't be able to run for your life.

Unfortunately, they need to make enemies reset in open world or else you run into MPKing or people kiting world bosses into cities (ie Lord Kazzak rampages through Stormwind and server resets ensue).

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Unfortunately, they need to make enemies reset in open world or else you run into MPKing or people kiting world bosses into cities (ie Lord Kazzak rampages through Stormwind and server resets ensue).

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Wow... I wish something like that would happen lol. There would be a call to arms from the player base to attack the invader. Would add spice to the average day of standing around in Lawl Dah contemplating suicide.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Wow... I wish something like that would happen lol. There would be a call to arms from the player base to attack the invader. Would add spice to the average day of standing around in Lawl Dah contemplating suicide.

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LOL, actually, that would be pretty awesome.

However, uncontrolled events like this can cause complete chaos and make GMs very cranky. You see, Lord Kazzak had an enrage timer, after which he pretty much became invulnerable. And no leash. So once he got into the city and began obliterating everyone, he couldn't be killed and he wouldn't leave. So they had to do a server rollback. Plus, when word got out this happened, all the servers were suddenly trying it. It was like an epidemic of mass destruction. The previous video I linked showcases the kiting leadup more than the actual event.

This one much better displays the carnage.

Lord Kazzak was eventually taken out of the old world and moved to the Outlands, where he could no longer lay waste to the city.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

LOL, actually, that would be pretty awesome.

However, uncontrolled events like this can cause complete chaos and make GMs very cranky. You see, Lord Kazzak had an enrage timer, after which he pretty much became invulnerable. And no leash. So once he got into the city and began obliterating everyone, he couldn't be killed and he wouldn't leave. So they had to do a server rollback. Plus, when word got out this happened, all the servers were suddenly trying it. It was like an epidemic of mass destruction. The previous video I linked showcases the kiting leadup more than the actual event.

This one much better displays the carnage.

Lord Kazzak was eventually taken out of the old world and moved to the Outlands, where he could no longer lay waste to the city.

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This all reminds me of that time someone somehow glitched Vrtra and caused it to go over to Sandoria.....

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

LOL, actually, that would be pretty awesome.

However, uncontrolled events like this can cause complete chaos and make GMs very cranky. You see, Lord Kazzak had an enrage timer, after which he pretty much became invulnerable. And no leash. So once he got into the city and began obliterating everyone, he couldn't be killed and he wouldn't leave. So they had to do a server rollback. Plus, when word got out this happened, all the servers were suddenly trying it. It was like an epidemic of mass destruction. The previous video I linked showcases the kiting leadup more than the actual event.

This one much better displays the carnage.

Lord Kazzak was eventually taken out of the old world and moved to the Outlands, where he could no longer lay waste to the city.

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Wow lol, if they tempered it so it didn't have a rage timer and would bugger off after so long it could be a lot of fun. Never knew about this stuff (didn't play WoW) so it was interesting to see.

Thanks :)

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

This all reminds me of that time someone somehow glitched Vrtra and caused it to go over to Sandoria.....

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I didn't think that kind of thing was possible in FFXI due to resets being forced at zone lines? o.O

LOL, dragon carnage set to bagpipes would be hilarious.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

This all reminds me of that time someone somehow glitched Vrtra and caused it to go over to Sandoria.....

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I remember Vrta getting out of the bottom part of the tomb was lame lol.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

I didn't think that kind of thing was possible in FFXI due to resets being forced at zone lines? o.O

LOL, dragon carnage set to bagpipes would be hilarious.

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NMs/HNMs are exempt, this was also back in 2004ish long before that change. It was hilarious as shit when it left the tomb and was chomping down newbies who knew no better.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

NMs/HNMs are exempt, this was also back in 2004ish long before that change. It was hilarious as shit when it left the tomb and was chomping down newbies who knew no better.

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LOL, that would have been priceless.

~ One day in tranquil East Ronfaure ~

Lowbies are adventuring. Making the world safe from goblin fishers. Besting Swamfisk.

Then, suddenly...

"Oh, WOW, look at that dragon!"

RAWR. Face eaten.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

NMs/HNMs are exempt, this was also back in 2004ish long before that change. It was hilarious as shit when it left the tomb and was chomping down newbies who knew no better.

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dont forget all the skeleton spawnshe left all over the countryside killing people too lol

oh god that was a great day, wish i was not playing on my ps2 so i coulda ran something to record it all