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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

While we do not have any plans to increase the cap for the maximum number of free company members, in the future we will be implementing a free company alliance feature that will allow you to connect with friendly free companies. We'll keep you updated on this feature!

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Thank you so much for the confirmation.

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Originally Posted by Rex

Linkshells.



More than one linkshell. You can have more than one. Yes, they're different channels. But no matter which one you have activated, you can see all linkshell communication at the same time. I would think that's the best solution.

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I'm not even sure how this suggestion could work. In order to see a linkshell chat you would have to be in that linkshell. Linkshells have a maximum capacity of 128. Only 128 people at most would be able to see everything in those linkshell chats. This solves nothing and makes the problem worse.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

How so?

It's quite clear to me that I grasped the purpose of this thread. I don't need to read all 275+ posts to understand what it's about.

If the message you're trying to send to me is "there are companies at this limit" that's fine, but you could say that without being so condescending.

Frankly, I think any company that big ought to kick out a member or hundred, so that other free companies might actually have players to recruit.

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We could kick out 200+ and still have too many waiting to get in. If you'd read the thread like you claim, you would've known this. We have over 800 people, currently in two FCs.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

How so?

It's quite clear to me that I grasped the purpose of this thread. I don't need to read all 275+ posts to understand what it's about.

If the message you're trying to send to me is "there are companies at this limit" that's fine, but you could say that without being so condescending.

Frankly, I think any company that big ought to kick out a member or hundred, so that other free companies might actually have players to recruit.

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Sounds like someone's mad they don't have hundreds of people waiting to be let into their FC.

skimmed through, so sorry if someone already said it.

I'm gonna go with "PS3 Limitations"

The go to excuse that SE used for FFXI whenever they were to lazy to do something was "PS2 Limitations"

Just get ready for them to start saying it, it'll start happening just about any time now, if it hasn't already.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

How so?

It's quite clear to me that I grasped the purpose of this thread. I don't need to read all 275+ posts to understand what it's about.

If the message you're trying to send to me is "there are companies at this limit" that's fine, but you could say that without being so condescending.

Frankly, I think any company that big ought to kick out a member or hundred, so that other free companies might actually have players to recruit.

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It's not hard to grasp the purpose of this thread. But instead of actually bothering to look at what some people might have discussed in the 28 pages leading up to your post, you just decided to blather out some uninformed drivel that had been adressed 26 pages ago. When someone dared point out that maybe you shouldn't talk about things you neither know anything about or apparently care to find out about, you claim they're being condescending.

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Well, what exactly do you expect? You have given us ample reason to be so, and absolutely no reason to be anything else.

Since you're clearly not going to bother to actually go back through the pages and read anything, let me sum it up for you. The members in our two FC's are from a community called the Something Awful Forums, and we're generally called goons. Desptie you thinking it's not possible our main FC has 512 members, and each and everyone has logged in at least once the last week. Our second FC is at around 360 members now, since we pruned away about 60 people yesterday. There are some people in this FC that haven't logged in in the last week, but the majority has. So to put it simply, we're way over the FC limit. The whole "we're all from one community" part also explains why your suggestion that we get rid of some members so other FC's can recruit people is so silly.

(Had to split post because of 1000 characters limitation. Twitter forums?)

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Originally Posted by Gothmog

Sounds like someone's mad they don't have hundreds of people waiting to be let into their FC.

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You know, yes, i might just be a little irked that there is literally almost nobody on the server without a free company to invite to one due to the existence of such a huge company that it controls a measurable percentage of a single server's population.

I don't want "hundreds of people" in a company- I'm only interested in having enough people to share in various activities with- which is hard to do with the lack of actual available candidates.

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It's not hard to grasp the purpose of this thread. But instead of actually bothering to look at what some people might have discussed in the 28 pages leading up to your post, you just decided to blather out some uninformed drivel that had been adressed 26 pages ago.

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Sorry you see it that way, but I'm not "blathering out drivel." I see a dev post (as I follow the dev tracker, and my reaciton is based on such. I don't read every post of every single thread of every single section of this forum, I'm sorry, i don't have time for that. That being said, my understanding of the purpose of the thread and the subject at hand was accurate, and I'd appriciate not being chatised when my post was 1) relevant to the thread and 2) based on an accurate understanding of its purpose.

Finally: You don't have to make multiple posts for the character limit. You can edit your post and add more later.

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and we're generally called goons.

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Given the way you're treating me in this thread, it seems like an apt description.

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The whole "we're all from one community" part also explains why your suggestion that we get rid of some members so other FC's can recruit people is so silly.

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That coment wasn't meant entirely seriously. As illustrated from my original comment, i was indeed very suprised to hear that anyone actually was hitting this limit.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You know, yes, i might just be a little irked that there is literally almost nobody on the server without a free company to invite to one due to the existence of such a huge company that it controls a measurable percentage of a single server's population.

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We don't invite from the general population of the server. Again, another thing that was addressed in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You know, yes, i might just be a little irked that there is literally almost nobody on the server without a free company to invite to one due to the existence of such a huge company that it controls a measurable percentage of a single server's population.

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Please stop posing in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Flionheart

Also the fact that you're one of the worst leaders, due to the fact that you're constantly condescending and negative.

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You're not in my company, you have no idea how I lead anything. I am not condecending or negative. Just because you see me in some negative light on this forum, does not mean that I treat my friends and company members the way you think I do. Your post is insulting and inflammatory and a personal attack.

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Please stop posing in this thread.

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I'm sorry, but you dont' make the forum rules.

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One of the worst players on Hyperion currently.

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You haven't played with me once ever, you know nothing about me other than my forum presence. I'm reporting you for slander and libel.

I love how you're mad that we're stealing all the people that aren't on your server.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I'm sorry, but you dont' make the forum rules.

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I'm asking you to please stop posting because you're embarrassing yourself.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Given the way you're treating me in this thread, it seems like an apt description.

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No, it's not apt at all. It implies a level of physical fitness that far exceeds that of the average PBC member.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You haven't played with me once ever, you know nothing about me other than my forum presence. I'm reporting you for slander and libel.

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If the Spiderman movies have taught me anything, it's that slander is spoken and the written stuff is libel. It can't be both at the same time.

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I'm asking you to please stop posting because you're embarrassing yourself.

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Your concern for my well being is touching.

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If the Spiderman movies have taught me anything, it's that slander is spoken and the written stuff is libel. It can't be both at the same time.

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Whatever you want to call it, he is making personal attacks that have no basis (e.g. declaring somebody to be the "worst player on a server" because you don't like the posts they make on the forums.)

-edit- you're not the one, it's someone else. My error.

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I'm more concerned about permissions than size, to be honest. Making gil an "all or nothing" thing really is asking for trouble.

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I will have to go find it, but a dev post officially confirmed the next patch will add a "deposit only" permission for the gil box.

500 members isn't a community, it's a clusterf**k, simple as that.
Like someone mentioned on one of the earlier pages, quality>quantity.

Maybe you should focus on just those members who actively contribute to your FC, and cull the rest.
Excessive baggage is needless, there is no pride to be had by having an excessive FC member tally, but there is pride for sure in having a well associated and lively community.

I've been in my fair share of 'large community' guilds over many MMOs, and frankly, the only people that really talk are the people in the higher echelons. Usually within ten minutes of prime time you can figure out the big wigs and higher more well known members just due to the fact they talk more. I was in a guild on SWTOR and just by being social I ended up becoming good friends with the guildmaster himself.(This is a big thing, as it wasn't just a SWTOR guild, but an actual gaming guild.)

That isn't necessarily a good thing, even the company I'm in now has seldom people that actively engage in group discussion and friendly banter, I find myself often than not talking to no one.

Reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit.

This whole thread is really Something Awful.

500 pubbies would be quite a mess to handle. Goons aren't your typical riff raff. I know this isn't EVE but just looking at the intricate leadership structure they set up for the thousands of players in that game, 800 is a far cry. You don't know us.

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Originally Posted by Mistoltin

500 members isn't a community, it's a clusterf**k, simple as that.
Like someone mentioned on one of the earlier pages, quality>quantity.

Maybe you should focus on just those members who actively contribute to your FC, and cull the rest.
Excessive baggage is needless, there is no pride to be had by having an excessive FC member tally, but there is pride for sure in having a well associated and lively community.

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I respect your personal experiences with the guilds you've been in prior, but... honestly, your advice isn't really merited. My FCs' officers and I are doing a good job of keeping our very large community running smoothly with a minimum of fuss and encouraging everybody to participate and socialize. We're a social FC, so it's not really my place to suddenly change management styles and start culling people for not contributing enough.

This thread isn't intended to be a referendum on my FC. We just wanted to know if there were any plans in the future to accommodate large groups like us, and we were satisfied with the response.

I give up. The amount of people who outright refuse to do a little reading in order to actually contribute to the thread boggles my mind. Seriously, almost every post for the last 20 pages must just be people who haven't read the thread literally saying the same things (how/why do we have so many people, constantly repeated suggestions of how to fix the problem, some incredibly lame insult, etc...) and the people actually in the guild answering and addressing these same questions that were already answered again, and again, and AGAIN. It's like a mobius strip of bad posting.

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Originally Posted by HunkyJimpjorps

I respect your personal experiences with the guilds you've been in prior, but... honestly, your advice isn't really merited. My FCs' officers and I are doing a good job of keeping our very large community running smoothly with a minimum of fuss and encouraging everybody to participate and socialize. We're a social FC, so it's not really my place to suddenly change management styles and start culling people for not contributing enough.

This thread isn't intended to be a referendum on my FC. We just wanted to know if there were any plans in the future to accommodate large groups like us, and we were satisfied with the response.

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I wish I'd have seen this thread earlier. Sinister Swarm<SIN> of Cactuar is a similar, if smaller, FC operating with the oversight of a 14-year-strong multi-game community. I may be only a Soldier Bee within the Swarm, but we support the result for which you were originally going and I feel I speak for the entire Swarm when I sign this thread and stand with PBC and DGKK. Carry on, "Jefe".

This thread is a beautiful gift that keeps on giving.

This reminds me of all the people who joined social networking and 'friended' (or whatever term you want to use) thousands of people. And they'll swear up and down that they're best and close friends with the majority of them and that pairing any down isn't possible as they're just too close knit of friends. Arguing against each others' opinions whether or not it's feasible / idiotic / wonderful / whatever will get nobody anywhere. It also depends on your definition of a friendship / community as well. Obviously the majority of their ties are much more shallower than those of us who are content with a close knit company of 30-40 people.

To each their own, but at least the DEVs clarified and said they can have their alliances and we don't have to see 1/8th the server under one name. Just 2-3 different names. Ha.

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Originally Posted by Sumii

This reminds me of all the people who joined social networking and 'friended' (or whatever term you want to use) thousands of people. And they'll swear up and down that they're best and close friends with the majority of them and that pairing any down isn't possible as they're just too close knit of friends. Arguing against each others' opinions whether or not it's feasible / idiotic / wonderful / whatever will get nobody anywhere. It also depends on your definition of a friendship / community as well. Obviously the majority of their ties are much more shallower than those of us who are content with a close knit company of 30-40 people.

To each their own, but at least the DEVs clarified and said they can have their alliances and we don't have to see 1/8th the server under one name. Just 2-3 different names. Ha.

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Why do our free companies offend you so much?

Thank you for confirming that the development team knows of our plight and is considering how to adjust the game to make the game more enjoyable for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Flask

Why do our free companies offend you so much?

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Haters gonna hate apparently.

If people want to prance around their 'achievement' of having a thousand members to brag about I say let them recruit away. Good luck managing all that noise, though. I learned long ago in another MMO that recruiting hundreds of people sucks ass when you have to remove them by the hundreds due to inactivity monthly so I stopped it. Better to play with a few dozen solid dedicated players than manage hundreds for no real reason but to brag to the server you have the most members, but each their own who wish to dance that route.

Also it's not terribly hard to recruit new members even if they are in a FC already. Simply communicate in some form to others(not using /tells) and if they feel your advertised FC is for them then they will drop FC and join you. FC recruitment isn't just for people without a <name> next to their name.

I don't see why big companies offend you so much. If you don't like them, don't join them.

There's enough jelly in this thread to feed rosie o'donnell for years.

THANK YOU!!! So glad to see this thread!!! Not everyone has a small guild. We're already at 500 and had to remove people. We're getting a good 10-20 applications a day and this helps us immensely to pair up and ensure we're not going to be constantly kicking people out.

I know a lot of people are going to troll -- "why do you need such a big community?" "what's the point?" "my guild's only 10 people and so everyone else should be" "Well IIIIIIII don't need this" etc. etc. -- it's a social minority guild of like-minded people who have extreme prejudices against them in games. It requires an application process, approval, filters, monitoring, and we refuse any alts from joining. If it wasn't so needed, we wouldn't be so full and over 30 people on a waitlist hoping to get in.

even if i can understand old community coming from far, i still lack to understand the purpose of huge community on FF14, is not like you need a massive amount of people for do something.
worst when the house will come out, you will never be able to enter the house at the same time (instance limitation) at best you will have 1/8 (for the fc at 800) maybe less that can enter the house.

@veritas-Ancora: why not stop the recruitement if you are soo many already? why continue to recruit?

it's virtually impossible to really socialize with more of 100 person, or they will simply vague knowledge... in game like EVE online this sort of number is needed, here is not...
if you want to make something in the sole goal of socialize you have the ls, they are the main tool for this. the FC will be the core group of people with who you will play all the time.

it's why they put the alliance system, is not for allows big FC to become bigger, but because it allows to create group into a large community and still be part of a larger group.

if i was you, when the alliance come out, i will split the FC in group of 50 people of the same hours and such, people that play always together and use the alliance for make a huge community of small group. better you will be able to take a lot of house in the same residential area, if not take all the residential area!!!

ps: other important point, it will be easier to control and organize the community, it will be like the grand companie, with squad into the group and such.
maybe is time to see farer and wide your viewpoint at what it can offer to create this sort of community, instead to create a large oversize FC.

I am surprised by some of the sentiments in this thread!

I am completely willing to start a weekly seminar on group management and community efficiency. It seems it would be in high demand!

I assure you these skills will translate not only into your regular lives but also make your online interactions that much better! Managing people is a skill, and must be practiced, much like interacting with others in a business or public environment without being shameful to your organization.

If you are interested, please reply to this thread, I am counting on you to be earnest in your desire to improve yourself and not just post badly. The average lesson will be about one hour, please bring bottled water and a notepad.exe

Please Be Contemplative!

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Originally Posted by Flask

Why do our free companies offend you so much?

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Never once said they offended me. If anything they amuse the hell out of me. It just so happens that in this game the DEV's current stance for the moment being at least is that your wonderful mob can't be only under one banner.

The real kicker that you all should be wondering is whether or not there will be a maximum amount of alliances allowed for all your little mob groups and whether or not you'll be able to be all allied.

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Originally Posted by Brevitic

I am surprised by some of the sentiments in this thread!

I am completely willing to start a weekly seminar on group management and community efficiency. It seems it would be in high demand!

I assure you these skills will translate not only into your regular lives but also make your online interactions that much better! Managing people is a skill, and must be practiced, much like interacting with others in a business or public environment without being shameful to your organization.

If you are interested, please reply to this thread, I am counting on you to be earnest in your desire to improve yourself and not just post badly. The average lesson will be about one hour, please bring bottled water and a notepad.exe

Please Be Contemplative!

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Regardless of whether you're being serious or not, you sound more like a politician / bureaucrat / mouth speaker rather than any sort of concerned good samaritan.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

even if i can understand old community coming from far, i still lack to understand the purpose of huge community on FF14, is not like you need a massive amount of people for do something.

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The FC is also used as a service which all of us can benefit from.

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worst when the house will come out, you will never be able to enter the house at the same time (instance limitation) at best you will have 1/8 (for the fc at 800) maybe less that can enter the house.

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We'll deal with this when housing comes out.

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virtually impossible to really socialize with more of 100 person, or they will simply vague knowledge... in game like EVE online this sort of number is needed, here is not...
if you want to make something in the sole goal of socialize you have the ls, they are the main tool for this. the FC will be the core group of people with who you will play all the time.

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The problem with this line of thinking is that we ALREADY have a large community coming in. We're not trying to get more members as we already have a rather large mass existing. LS's are used to form smaller specific progression groups, while the FC serves more of a social role.

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if i was you, when the alliance come out, i will split the FC in group of 50 people of the same hours and such, people that play always together and use the alliance for make a huge community of small group. better you will be able to take a lot of house in the same residential area, if not take all the residential area!!!

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You're not us, and you clearly have no want of being us. You're recommendations are rather useless here.

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ps: other important point, it will be easier to control and organize the community, it will be like the grand companie, with squad into the group and such.
maybe is time to see farer and wide your viewpoint at what it can offer to create this sort of community, instead to create a large oversize FC.

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Again, this is an already existing community. Our goal wasn't to have "The Largest FC," we just want to accommodate all our users. Most of us honestly didn't expect the FC to hit half the number we ended up with, and at the same time we don't want some of those members to feel like second class citizens in our FC's.

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Originally Posted by Sumii

Never once said they offended me. If anything they amuse the hell out of me. It just so happens that in this game the DEV's current stance for the moment being at least is that your wonderful mob can't be only under one banner.

The real kicker that you all should be wondering is whether or not there will be a maximum amount of alliances allowed for all your little mob groups and whether or not you'll be able to be all allied.

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I'm not sure what you're doing here other than trying to rile us up.

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Originally Posted by Sumii

The real kicker that you all should be wondering is whether or not there will be a maximum amount of alliances allowed for all your little mob groups and whether or not you'll be able to be all allied.

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Well any limit has to be at least 2, and we're only 2 FCs, so... your logic skills are a bit lacking, aren't they?

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Originally Posted by Magus42

Well any limit has to be at least 2, and we're only 2 FCs, so... your logic skills are a bit lacking, aren't they?

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Yes because with a social group/mob who clings to mass amounts of members to flourish and diversify the number one priority is to stagnate or not keep expanding once all your current community members are together. Perhaps your mob group won't grow, but there's others complaining about applications they can't accept because they're just too big.

Rarely have any of the goon/mob guilds in previous MMOs reached an equilibrium and stopped growing. There's always new members like locusts to grow the swarm.

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Originally Posted by Sumii

mouth speaker rather than any sort of concerned good samaritan.

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:confused::confused:http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mouth%20speaker:confused::confused:

It is my thread, I like to post in my thread to be helpful to people.
I am sorry if my language comes off as diplomatic for you, as one of the ways you manage to represent large groups of people is you speak in a careful way that is sensitive to the needs and wants of others.

I would like to offer you my personal tutoring, in public communication http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...ilies/cool.png

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Originally Posted by Sumii

Yes because with a social group/mob who clings to mass amounts of members to flourish and diversify the number one priority is to stagnate or not keep expanding once all your current community members are together. Perhaps your mob group won't grow, but there's others complaining about applications they can't accept because they're just too big.

Rarely have any of the goon/mob guilds in previous MMOs reached an equilibrium and stopped growing. There's always new members like locusts to grow the swarm.

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You're doing ok here by using qualifying statements but this seems like it could be interpreted as mean, perhaps even anachronistic in that we wouldn't recruit when we have too many people already? Also I must insist that you stop referring to the organization as a mob as PBC/DGKK is not:

1: a large or disorderly crowd; especially : one bent on riotous or destructive action

2: the lower classes of a community : masses, rabble

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...0&t=1382168759

I hope this has been as rewarding an experience for you as it has for me!

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I know a lot of people are going to troll -- "why do you need such a big community?" "what's the point?" "my guild's only 10 people and so everyone else should be" "Well IIIIIIII don't need this" etc. etc. --

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It's simply because when everyone on the whole darn server dogpiles into one or two guilds, it takes away from the opportunities for anyone else to make a guild (It's nearly impossible at this point unless you entered the game with a big circle of real life friends).

I'm not jealous at all. I think it's a bit destructive for a couple people to essentially have a monopoly on guilds.

I'd rather see 10 50 person guilds floating around than 1 500 person guild.

oh, since we're playing dictionary;

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1: a large or disorderly crowd; especially : one bent on riotous or destructive action

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a large *OR* disorderly crowd; *especially* (not necessarily "always" one bent on distructive action. mob has been very commonly used in a non riotous/destructive context.

a company too big for 1 company certainly qualifies to me as a 'large' crowd.

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LS's are used to form smaller specific progression groups, while the FC serves more of a social role.

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The original spirit of this system was clearly meant to be the other way around. Yoshida referred to linkshells as "just chat channels," while the free company system is designed as a full featured guild system.

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Originally Posted by Brevitic

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mob [mob] Show IPA noun, adjective, verb, mobbed, mob·bing.
noun
1. a disorderly or riotous crowd of people.
2. a crowd bent on or engaged in lawless violence.
3. any group or collection of persons or things.
4. the common people; the masses; populace or multitude.

Since you want to argue semantics. So yes, I will keep referring to PBC/DGKK/Goon/Whatever extraordinarily large FC as a mob.

Also, you should learn the difference between denotation and connotation in specific regards to the politician / mouth speaker statement.

In any case, enjoy your soon-to-be mob alliance! :)