Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

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Originally Posted by MiaShino

Doth thou remember thine thread about helping players learn how to play better? I saw you posted in there, well those players. The same ones who defend doing the bare minimum because you clicked duty finder so you disserve having the time wasted then getting kicked so you can waste more time in queue. Our fault for not "forming a social network" I suppose. Sounds like premade became most salty you asked them to push buttons, I would report for kick abuse then do as JP does. Name on a spreadsheet on a google doc.

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Well, both players werent new. One of them got a pretty high rank in their FC.

I would be glad, if I had a chance to help other players. But those 2 people just wanted to waste the time of other people. So yes, those 2 players are definitely those "really bad players" I was talking about in the other thread. There is no valid reason to get salty. I was just asking if everything is ok. I didnt even expect them to press 4 buttons. But yes, both got reported for being afk and abusing vote-kick.

Is there a spreadsheet out there? >: D

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Is there a spreadsheet out there? >: D

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Pfffffff woah! Some people sometimes just.. why? Good that they were reported, more should do this. I would but I seldom join duty finder anymore and play without friends less and less annnnd less.

Also yup! There sure is. I keep one with a detailed reason for why each player is on it as do family and extended family, my partner included. If this were JP it would be semi public but this is not JP. :( When and if I recruit for party finder the list is consulted. If they are on the list it is immediate rejection from party, thankfully I have not had to do this and neither have friends. One can dream that NA or EU might learn from the JP community but alas, I have given up hope.

It miiiight exist there I say with great implication that it does and most of the NA/EU community would not last one month on JP datacenters.

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Originally Posted by MiaShino

Pfffffff woah! Some people sometimes just.. why? Good that they were reported, more should do this. I would but I seldom join duty finder anymore and play without friends less and less annnnd less.

Also yup! There sure is. I keep one with a detailed reason for why each player is on it as do family and extended family, my partner included. If this were JP it would be semi public but this is not JP. :( When and if I recruit for party finder the list is consulted. If they are on the list it is immediate rejection from party, thankfully I have not had to do this and neither have friends. One can dream that NA or EU might learn from the JP community but alas, I have given up hope.

It miiiight exist there I say with great implication that it does and most of the NA/EU community would not last one month on JP datacenters.

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What's the difference?

I'm absolutely ignorant of the differences between cultures :(

Many many differences between their duty finder and the NA one I find myself in now (ping issues).

JP party finder is for practice and duty finder is used to clear content most of the time, though party finder is still used for various things.

JP groups greet and farewell with greater consistency (usually or well, attempt to), though dungeon banter is uncommon.

JP groups treat failure and success of the team in different way then NA/EU and are far more efficiency focused. It is unproductive to lash out at the group but that does not mean I am displeased is common way of thinking, I suppose.

Because JP is more consistency focused they favor safer play styles that deliver constant results with the fewest number of wipes even in normal content. You queued into the duty with the objective of working with the team towards the same goal and you are obligated to do this, it is frowned upon to "sandbag" as seems to be common in NA/EU groups.

In short or umm, tl;dr - You are much less likely to have a reason to post here because JP values getting things done but that does not mean you would never run into someone who might make you wish to. NA/EU could learn much from the way JP treats duty finder, for the better.

If you wish to see this in action there is a streamer I enjoy called Ferro. He plays in Tonberry most of the times for anyone curious.

I had a group yesterday in the Burn. It was very obvious that the summoner was extremely bad at her class - pulls and bosses were taking as much as 1/2 more time than they normally do (I'd been running the dungeon a lot for a glamour I wanted, so I knew very well what was normal and what wasn't). The mist dragon at the end of the dungeon has a minor DPS check about 40 seconds into the fight where you need to kill 3 heads. I say minor, because it isn't that big a deal - the fight is generally more about people failing to dodge AOEs and suffering an aggregate stacking DOT.

So anyway, we get to the head phase and I work down one head, work down the second, turn around and... the third head is completely undamaged. Apparently not only was she focusing the heads I was on, but her damage was so insignificant that I didn't even notice a difference from normal soloing one/duoing the second with the tank. We all eat the cold AOE and wipe because the healer can't keep up.

We ran back, and on the way I was like 'okay, we need to make sure we are doing damage to all the heads and not just two,' without directly saying that, yes, you the summoner are actually at fault because you can't play your class. Second attempt, I swat the first head, kill the second, turn around and discover that she's done about 1/8th the third head's total damage, despite focusing on it for the entire burn period. I race over there on my sam, but we can't kill it in time. We eat the full AOE again and wipe.

I left. There was just no point. What am I going to do - teach her how to play her class? This isn't a case of failing at mechanics - it's failing, at a fundamental level, on knowing how to click fast enough and in the proper order to do moderately capable damage. We weren't going to win no matter what.

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Originally Posted by MiaShino

Pfffffff woah! Some people sometimes just.. why? Good that they were reported, more should do this. I would but I seldom join duty finder anymore and play without friends less and less annnnd less.

Also yup! There sure is. I keep one with a detailed reason for why each player is on it as do family and extended family, my partner included. If this were JP it would be semi public but this is not JP. :( When and if I recruit for party finder the list is consulted. If they are on the list it is immediate rejection from party, thankfully I have not had to do this and neither have friends. One can dream that NA or EU might learn from the JP community but alas, I have given up hope.

It miiiight exist there I say with great implication that it does and most of the NA/EU community would not last one month on JP datacenters.

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You don't want the NA community to have a list like that. People would get put on the list for just doing one mechanic wrong on accident after a long farm, or for something extremely petty. It works in Japan becuase Japan's culture.

NA would never manage to organize something like this so I am not worried! :D I typed more but the forums deleted it when I attempted quoting someone.

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

I left. There was just no point. What am I going to do - teach her how to play her class? This isn't a case of failing at mechanics - it's failing, at a fundamental level, on knowing how to click fast enough and in the proper order to do moderately capable damage. We weren't going to win no matter what.

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I see this occurring more and more frequently, imagine if the whole group consisted of people like that. It is most sad, most sad indeed.

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Originally Posted by MiaShino

I see this occurring more and more frequently, imagine if the whole group consisted of people like that. It is most sad, most sad indeed.

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We are currently sitting on top of content plateau, waiting for EW release. It is no wonder that some portion of playerbase who had already cleared what they wanted to do would be hibernating or so. I expect more of these funny runs myself (but eh nothing too surprising, it’s DF after all). EDIT: But of course we're still more likely to get the average to above averages runs than the terrible ones.

Like this run from yesterday, Lv80 Roulette: Akadaemia Anyder. Rolled as an AST, gets paired with a returner DRK & double regular BLM. First BLM is using their full artifact gear, save for accessories with a mix of leveling dungeon & cryptlurker accessories. The 2nd BLM is in full augmented exarchic.

Tank stated that they’ve been out of practice & only returned after half a year of hiatus but they still want to try wall pulling and remembering the feel. They politely asked and my answer was: “Pull as much as you want & can.” because why not? I love enthusiastic player like them.

Mobs were dying slowly so out of curiosity I started to watch both DPSes. No Flares from 2nd BLM, they were flinging Fire II like they’re playing a THM. Thunder DoT? I only saw one being stacked to the mobs, assume that’s from the 1st BLM cause I’ve not seen any Thunder casts coming from the 2nd BLM.

Boss encounters also made the disparity between the DPSes performance even more glaring. I’m running out of fingers to count how many times I’ve heard the sound effect of Enochian being casted. Who knows from which BLM it came from but one who played the class for quite a while would’ve recognized the smoking fireplace. 2nd BLM would cast several Fire IV whenever I heard the Enochian sound effect being played but would soon go back to Fire I. Thunder III? It’s like that one spell does not exist in their hotbar. Blizzard III being casted 2-3 times in a row. Enmity order list also shows they’re consistently sitting on 4th place. Well duh, guess who’s not getting cards for entire run beyond first pull. 2nd ranged card drawn after being played for the 1st BLM? I save it for the first BLM when their cards runs out or I ate it myself :p First BLM asks "No Fire IV?" but of course met with a deafening response that is a silence.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Like this run from yesterday, Lv80 Roulette: Akadaemia Anyder. Rolled as an AST, gets paired with a returner DRK & double regular BLM. First BLM is using their full artifact gear, save for accessories with a mix of leveling dungeon & cryptlurker accessories. The 2nd BLM is in full augmented exarchic.

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Ohhhh nooooooo oh my goodness as friends might say :D

I am just learning Black Mage and have managed to reach 60 but I did poke through all my skills and other stuffs to attempt to figure out the rotations.

Let us see soooo level 80. Wait. Wait wait oh that hurts. Cycling Enochian means they were dropping Umbral Fire/Ice. That means no Umbral hearts.. no foul.. no despair.. no Xenoglossy because no polyglot stacks. Also it means losing the 15% extra damage from Enochian! No Flare so no tripple cast Flare either. I do not even have that unlocked yet and am already super fricken excited to use that on large pulls if I can.

I am going to assume here that they may have taken a break most lengthy from Black Mage but many thanks for the story it brought equal pain and amusement! :D It also reminded me of how tight the timings can be on Black Mage for not dropping Umbral phase especially if you oopsie too many Fire IV casts. Hmm.. I have two seconds left in Umbral fire please do not finish that raidwide yet let this Fire 1 cast finish. *interrupted* Maaahh!

I feel like Brayflox's Longstop (normal) is a magnet for upsetting tank stories. It's always been the case for me, and I'm not the only one I've heard weird stuff from.

Healing the broken gear tank is still my worst one thus far, but lately I've gotten a handful of tanks who just ignore the text on the last boss telling them Hey if the dragon stands in the poison its HP will regen. Had one tank ignore me saying to pull it out in chat. And ignored me running to the other side of the room. And hopping up and down. And standing there. And then eventually giving up and hitting it from the very small space I could access it, without being able to get my positional. Good thing it goes down very easily now, I suppose.

It's just amazing how the bar has been set on the floor and people still manage to trip on it constantly. It doesn't matter how much the devs simplify things, people who don't pay attention aren't gonna suddenly perform well.

Another tank who made the same mistake corrected themselves when they noticed my message and I actually sighed in relief. Got 3 comms, too, which I... was not expecting, as NIN, but sure thank you I will take that.

By the way guys, have you heard the rumour that in content with more than 1 tank, the other tank(s) can turn off stance and become "off tank", or leave the boss and instead pick up adds? Sounds fake to me.

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Originally Posted by Cubsbane

By the way guys, have you heard the rumour that in content with more than 1 tank, the other tank(s) can turn off stance and become "off tank", or leave the boss and instead pick up adds? Sounds fake to me.

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what the?!

Nope! Buuuuut I have heard of the one where you get deleted out of existence for using spread shot and ricochet during alliance raids.

This happened during the last one where I did not queue with friends on core rolls. Our level 80 tanks did not establish enmity on all the stuffs so my tiny Lala self became mashed popotos on this day. I thought counting down ten seconds in my head was plenty of time.. I was wrong.

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Originally Posted by Cubsbane

By the way guys, have you heard the rumour that in content with more than 1 tank, the other tank(s) can turn off stance and become "off tank", or leave the boss and instead pick up adds? Sounds fake to me.

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Heresy!!!!

Was doing leveling roulette to level up one of my alt jobs and got Aurum Vale. While fighting the first pack of mobs, someone accidentally got in range of the patrolling frog. The frog sucked that someone in, which caused them to pull every mob around them. Then all those mobs starting rushing directly towards the healer. That someone was me. :o

We managed to survive and kill everything, but I could feel the rage festering within the healer as the potato stared at me with their beady little eyes, judging me and plotting my demise.

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Originally Posted by DontReadThis

Was doing leveling roulette to level up one of my alt jobs and got Aurum Vale. While fighting the first pack of mobs, someone accidentally got in range of the patrolling frog. The frog sucked that someone in, which caused them to pull every mob around them. Then all those mobs starting rushing directly towards the healer. That someone was me. :o

We managed to survive and kill everything, but I could feel the rage festering within the healer as the potato stared at me with their beady little eyes, judging me and plotting my demise.

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It was probably more close to what my friend said; "There he goes! He is being taken away!" while we laugh ourselves to tears. It is right of passage for the Vale to be tongued by the frogs into imminent demise. Also frog death canyon in Darkhold, that is another one that generates many amusing tales most tall.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Random BLM fun

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My Leylines are crying.
One memorable BLM I had encountered in an 80 dungeon (I think it was Cosmos, but not sure) would always let Enochian run out between pulls, start with a slow Blizzard 3, sometimes apply the dot, sometimes not, switch to AF and then spam Fire 4 until Enochian ran out, restarting with a slow Blizzard 3, sometimes reapply dot, sometimes just spamming Blizzard 3 or Blizzard 1 until Enochian came off cooldown, use it during fast Fire 3 and repeat.
Every 30s during a boss fight I heard and saw Enochian being cast.
No Despair, no Xeno/ Foul because Eno never lasted long enough to get a Polyglot stack. Oh, and Fire 2 in aoe because Flare consumes all MP and that is such a bad thing on BLM; usually without using Enochian at all.
No reaction at all to our suggestions.
Ranged cards all went on me or got rerolled to melee for our NIN. Reasons.

I have come back with more stories. But hey, thankfully I have some memorable positive ones this time than just funny ones!

1. Trial Roulette: Cape Westwind (AST)
   This is from 4 days ago. Rolled as a noct AST into this actually more challenging trial. No, I'm being serious. It was actually challenging. None in the party has more HP than I do, including the tanks who are both sitting at 5800 and 5900ish as opposed to my 6130. And they were all watching cutscenes. This is the first time -ever- I've witnessed A LOT MORE of this trial's mechanic. The whole run lasted for a bout 3 or 4 minutes. It was actually pretty fun! They all seem to know each other, judging from their banters. Very heart-warming to watch.
2. Alliance Raid Roulette: World of Darkness (WHM)
   This is from 3 days ago. Helping the queue for 4 of my friends. The whole run lasted for 50 solid minutes. Good thing people are receptive to short tips that I typed after each boss wipes.
3. Leveling Roulette: The Great Gubal Library (SCH)
   Just now! Fresh from oven! Upon loading in the PLD tank immediately warns the party for being a fresh returner. And thus they did not recognize the current days of tank stances (they had them off and thought 'Shield Oath'---albeit the older version one---no longer exist) in which I had to notify them. They were extremely reserved in AoE usage that I almost thought they think TP management still exist. With cold sweat rolling down my temple, I typed: "Btw, I'm unsure when was the last time you went hiatus. But TP management is a thing from the past now (they're gone!) so you can go wild with AoE to your heart's content. It also holds mob pull aggro much easier!"
   
   And they reciprocate. They actually did. I'm so glad I told them, I might gonna cry. This gave me back some lost faith I used to have. We cleared the run without problem.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

Sobbing Leyline

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Please tell me they're not using Lucid Dreaming to recover their lost MP too. :wheeze:

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Blizzard 3 spam BLMs.

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I think I've seen some BLM's do that when I was tanking. As a current BLM lvl 67, I don't do that.. I do occasionally use it more times than need like 2-4 in a row if I'm feeling lazy, but my rotation has always been..

Single target: B3, F3 (to use only 500 mp on F3 and get 3 astrals), F1 spam with the "Firestarter" F3's, rinse and repeat.
Oh I forgot about my 4 spells, I've been doing duty roulette below 50 too much lol.
For those higher levels, B3, B4, F4, F4, F3, F4, F4, Flare sometimes (Despair when I unlock it prob), repeat.

For AoE, I do B3 or Freeze, B4, F3, F2, F2, F2, F2... till I'm 800+ MP then Flare, repeat. I don't know if that's going to change when I'm 80.

I've yet to party with a single BLM once I became one besides in raids :(

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but once BLM hits 68, Freeze generates a single heart and Flare will consume any available hearts before consuming any mp. At that point your aoe rotation should look more like Freeze < Thunder 4 < Fire 3 < Flare x2 (x3 or x4 if you have manafont and/or super ethers available), then transpose back to ice phase to wait for another mp tick to use freeze again. Rinse and repeat along with using any thundercloud procs you get. At level 70 you gain access to Foul, a hard hitting aoe spell only available if you can maintain Enochian.

Once you hit 72, you gain a trait that allows you to freely cast a spell of the opposite element without mp, allowing you to use freeze, b3, and f3 without cost.

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Originally Posted by ShizukuOikawa

I think I've seen some BLM's do that when I was tanking. As a current BLM lvl 67, I don't do that.. I do occasionally use it more times than need like 2-4 in a row if I'm feeling lazy, but my rotation has always been..

Single target: B3, F3 (to use only 500 mp on F3 and get 3 astrals), F1 spam with the "Firestarter" F3's, rinse and repeat.
Oh I forgot about my 4 spells, I've been doing duty roulette below 50 too much lol.
For those higher levels, B3, B4, F4, F4, F3, F4, F4, Flare sometimes (Despair when I unlock it prob), repeat.

For AoE, I do B3 or Freeze, B4, F3, F2, F2, F2, F2... till I'm 800+ MP then Flare, repeat. I don't know if that's going to change when I'm 80.

I've yet to party with a single BLM once I became one besides in raids :(

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Know what is sad, when you see an ice BLM @ level 60+ doing the most damage out of the two DPS in the group. You see some scary shit in this game.

Had a WHM join our E9S farm party today. They kept dying to random stuff and we'd end up force wiping and reset. I'm not sure what they were talking about, they complained "No one stacked with me again." We weren't making it past brambles on the pulls, as far as I could see everyone was positioning correctly. They left and then we did 3 smooth clears with a scholar. /shrug

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but once BLM hits 68, Freeze generates a single heart and Flare will consume any available hearts before consuming any mp. At that point your aoe rotation should look more like Freeze < Thunder 4 < Fire 3 < Flare x2 (x3 or x4 if you have manafont and/or super ethers available), then transpose back to ice phase to wait for another mp tick to use freeze again. Rinse and repeat along with using any thundercloud procs you get. At level 70 you gain access to Foul, a hard hitting aoe spell only available if you can maintain Enochian.

Once you hit 72, you gain a trait that allows you to freely cast a spell of the opposite element without mp, allowing you to use freeze, b3, and f3 without cost.

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Huh, I didn't realize that you can reuse Flare after Enochian, thanks for the tip c: Foul says it uses a Polyglot and I have no idea what that is, but maintaining Enochian is no big deal when there's plenty of mobs and not too much AoE dodging

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Originally Posted by Awha

Know what is sad, when you see an ice BLM @ level 60+ doing the most damage out of the two DPS in the group. You see some scary shit in this game.

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Hmm, really? Freeze is extremely weak... and it sounds incredibly boring to spam freeze and blizz 3 lol. I've gotten a commendation from the entire dungeon group twice with my BLM work I put, chances of that wouldn't happen if I became purely Ice. Thunder I just use on bosses and some stacks of mobs cause I don't think it justifies the cost of cast time for 1-3 enemies that only take seconds to die.

edit: or spamming Blizz 4.. blizz 4 is pretty hard hitting, but it's only single target and I think fire 1 with 3 astrals is still better, same or close. Blizz 4 has an amazing effect though, rock smashing bad ass lol, I would spam it just for that, but I only do it 1-2 times for the umbral hearts.

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Originally Posted by ShizukuOikawa

Huh, I didn't realize that you can reuse Flare after Enochian, thanks for the tip c: Foul says it uses a Polyglot and I have no idea what that is, but maintaining Enochian is no big deal when there's plenty of mobs and not too much AoE dodging




Hmm, really? Freeze is extremely weak... and it sounds incredibly boring to spam freeze and blizz 3 lol. I've gotten a commendation from the entire dungeon group twice with my BLM work I put, chances of that wouldn't happen if I became purely Ice. Thunder I just use on bosses and some stacks of mobs cause I don't think it justifies the cost of cast time for 1-3 enemies that only take seconds to die.

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That is why I said it is sad cause that just meant the other dps probably was most likely brain dead. Just do not be an ice mage outside of freeze spam at the lower levels.

I recently started a new alt-character (for holding furniture...) and had to go through the first three dungeons again to unlock retainers. After unsyching the first one, I decided I could do the other two normally, so I queued up for Tam Tara and ended up in a party with 3 other sprouts - a mrd, a scholar and another archer.

While the tank and the healer were doing an excellent job, the other archer made me scratch my head a little: They were using every skill archer had gotten so far, including peloton during battles (which does nothing). With one exception: Venomous Bite, the first dot archer/bard gets. A friendly hint in the chat to try and always keep that up was ignored... seeing how it was a sprout they obviously have some time to figure it out, but I still found it amusing that they used everything they had at their disposal, including some of the more useless stuff like binding an enemy and then attacking it straight away again, except the skill thats probably the most useful at that point in the game...

Got a Brayflox HM last night on my alt. Start out, do that really big pull in the first room and start to notice my health is plummeting even with cooldowns on. End up going through every cooldown and having to Hallowed Ground. We wipe after Hallowed Ground expires, and I say "Oops, that was a pretty normal pull for this dungeon but I'll slow down!" We slow down and get through the first boss, but I noticed the healer seems to be putting every card they pulled on me, the tank... I didn't say anything though since I didn't want to critique them. But finally I had to stop and take a closer look at them because I felt the missing heals... And I finally realized (very belatedly, derp derp) that they didn't have their sect on. I asked if they had Diurnal Sect, and the person answered "No, I haven't unlocked it yet." ...What??? It's like the very first job quest ability? Turns out the person hadn't done a single job quest other than the one to unlock the job, so they came into 50/60 roulette with no regens and no shields. My heart hurt.

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Originally Posted by sarehptar

Got a Brayflox HM last night on my alt. Start out, do that really big pull in the first room and start to notice my health is plummeting even with cooldowns on. End up going through every cooldown and having to Hallowed Ground. We wipe after Hallowed Ground expires, and I say "Oops, that was a pretty normal pull for this dungeon but I'll slow down!" We slow down and get through the first boss, but I noticed the healer seems to be putting every card they pulled on me, the tank... I didn't say anything though since I didn't want to critique them. But finally I had to stop and take a closer look at them because I felt the missing heals... And I finally realized (very belatedly, derp derp) that they didn't have their sect on. I asked if they had Diurnal Sect, and the person answered "No, I haven't unlocked it yet." ...What??? It's like the very first job quest ability? Turns out the person hadn't done a single job quest other than the one to unlock the job, so they came into 50/60 roulette with no regens and no shields. My heart hurt.

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This is why I say certain parts of the MSQ should be gated behind class MSQ at the very least for the first job you level. I have ran into far too many players like that especially as if late.

I get it would cause some issues but zzz.

I will say - after running an alt up and leveling every time I so much as look at a foe - that for the ARR classes at least, it's easy to forget to go do your class quests because they are gated behind specific parts of the MSQ and you end up way over the level for where you are in MSQ. I was doing summoner, and outleveled my ability to do my class quests because I hadn't gotten to the Titan fight for MSQ, and then almost forgot to go do it. I was level 60 or close before I was out of ARR, and I switched to RDM because I wanted to start Heavensward at level 50 at least, then switched to Dancer for Stormblood so I was lvl 60 there. I am already lvl 70 on the dancer, and not even halfway through Stormblood, can't do my last class quest because I'm not far enough along in MSQ. I still haven't done the 50-70 class quests for summoner and scholar (am 69 in that) or RDM's 60-70 (lvl 69 there too) , but I'm not really playing those now, I'll go back and do them all at once. So I can see where people might have forgotten to go do some class quests.

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Originally Posted by sarehptar

Got a Brayflox HM last night on my alt. Start out, do that really big pull in the first room and start to notice my health is plummeting even with cooldowns on. End up going through every cooldown and having to Hallowed Ground. We wipe after Hallowed Ground expires, and I say "Oops, that was a pretty normal pull for this dungeon but I'll slow down!" We slow down and get through the first boss, but I noticed the healer seems to be putting every card they pulled on me, the tank... I didn't say anything though since I didn't want to critique them. But finally I had to stop and take a closer look at them because I felt the missing heals... And I finally realized (very belatedly, derp derp) that they didn't have their sect on. I asked if they had Diurnal Sect, and the person answered "No, I haven't unlocked it yet." ...What??? It's like the very first job quest ability? Turns out the person hadn't done a single job quest other than the one to unlock the job, so they came into 50/60 roulette with no regens and no shields. My heart hurt.

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Now, that is just about as lazy as you can get.

Warrior of light Trial on well... Warrior. Here's the post trial chat after 2 wipes and then a clear:

Boss is mostly dead:

Ninja: heral me?
Ninja: maybe?
Ninja: wtf

(Probably messed up and ate a stray aoe or didnt do the fire/ice imbued sword right).

Post trial chat:

Salty WHM: you never need single target heals as a dps
Ninja: ha?
Salty WHM: either you miss aoe heals or stand in xxxx
Ninja: got hit 3 times
Ninja: oh right
Me: to be fair, you two did die a lot as healers
Ninja: so it's my fault

Then I left. The reason we wiped two times is BECAUSE the healers weren't healing and also dying a lot. Both had <100k hp before echo and we cleared with 20% echo. It's kind of ironic the healers blame the ninja for eating an aoe when they themselves are responsible for two wipes.

Furor with sprouts and flags.
Ifrit casts tankbuster on MT. 6 people runs into it, pld stays on side. 5 players died to ifrit slap.
Astro says. "thanks for save paladin".

I'm "new" to the game, so overall still learning.

Saturday I unlocked DRK for the first time, I was really happy, since I wanted to play as a Dark Knight from the beginning if possible.

I've never played as a tank or a healer before, so to get some practice i go to Haukke Manor, so I can get some tank action.

Saturday around midnight, I enter the dungeon and tell people it was my first time playing that role, and that I would be trying everything out, the 2 DPS say no problem, WHM doesn't answer.

I start tanking and the WHM refuses to heal me, and only does DPS, we start getting wiped by groups os 3+ adds, I ask him if there's a problem or if he as any doubts, no answer.

Later on, I do my first mistake, I aggro 3 groups of adds, the WHM doesn't heal anyone and we get insta wiped.

Then he finally types something, "Go back to WOW lol, we don't have enough AOEs yet, pay attention or you'll get kicked"

Honestly I laughed at it, I never played WOW before so nothing regards to that, I clocked on 106h this Sunday, it's the first time i've ever saw something like this, but honestly, it's not something that affects me, I have over 1k hours at R6 and people there are ROUGH.

That said, I recognize my error in chat, and say that if he could start doing his fricking job we wouldn't be wiping on a low level dungeon.

Annnnnnnnd I got kicked...

LOL, I gotta say, I got a good laugh off this.

Well I learned that if you have low dps (or pretty much stick to min ilv I guess) in the normal Leviathan fight, it will not do the big heavy wipe attack immediately and do other attacks similar to Extreme.
This pretty much caused everybody's brain (including mine) to mess up multiple times after the 1st wipe by hitting the generator late.

It was a bit frustrating but the whole party took it nice and had some laugh so I am glad it came out ok

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Originally Posted by Gaioti

I'm "new" to the game, so overall still learning.

Saturday I unlocked DRK for the first time, I was really happy, since I wanted to play as a Dark Knight from the beginning if possible.

I've never played as a tank or a healer before, so to get some practice i go to Haukke Manor, so I can get some tank action.

Saturday around midnight, I enter the dungeon and tell people it was my first time playing that role, and that I would be trying everything out, the 2 DPS say no problem, WHM doesn't answer.

I start tanking and the WHM refuses to heal me, and only does DPS, we start getting wiped by groups os 3+ adds, I ask him if there's a problem or if he as any doubts, no answer.

Later on, I do my first mistake, I aggro 3 groups of adds, the WHM doesn't heal anyone and we get insta wiped.

Then he finally types something, "Go back to WOW lol, we don't have enough AOEs yet, pay attention or you'll get kicked"

Honestly I laughed at it, I never played WOW before so nothing regards to that, I clocked on 106h this Sunday, it's the first time i've ever saw something like this, but honestly, it's not something that affects me, I have over 1k hours at R6 and people there are ROUGH.

That said, I recognize my error in chat, and say that if he could start doing his fricking job we wouldn't be wiping on a low level dungeon.

Annnnnnnnd I got kicked...

LOL, I gotta say, I got a good laugh off this.

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Sounds like you dodged a bullet.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

Sounds like you dodged a bullet.

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Right? Im thinking id rather not tank for someone like that. Its certainly possible to get a group with no AoE outside of the tank at that level, but that is still someone with an attitude problem.

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Originally Posted by Gaioti

Haukke Manor

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IIRC, mob groups in that dungeon consist of 3-4 mobs per pull, except the solo handmaidens. If I understand your story correctly, the WHM was simply being lazy with their job if they’re already not healing on your first pull. No offense, but if I were in your position I’d be very much welcome a kick because #1 I’d rather not deal with a princess healer-personae that thinks they have the full control over another player; and #2 I could just requeue instantly without penalty lol. I probably wouldn’t bail either—I would vote them off too. It’s them or me.

That WoW comment as amusing as it sounds, was pretty uncalled for, though. Guess some are just not as friendly to certain groups of players as they might think, huh?

Yup, well lesson learned, since then I played a lot of dungeons as a DRK, absolutely no problems since then.

But yeah, next time anything like this happens I'll just leave, it's not worth the hassle.

And I understand, everyone has bad days, but shesssssh...

Last thing, WOW was pretty big when I was growing up, but I was a console kid, I just went to PC a couple of years ago, is there really a rivalry between the two fanbases? It's not the first time I see it being bashed by someone in game.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

Sounds like you dodged a bullet.

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LOL, spot on I would say

Yes, yes there is.

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Originally Posted by Gaioti

I'm "new" to the game, so overall still learning.

Saturday I unlocked DRK for the first time, I was really happy, since I wanted to play as a Dark Knight from the beginning if possible.

I've never played as a tank or a healer before, so to get some practice i go to Haukke Manor, so I can get some tank action.

Saturday around midnight, I enter the dungeon and tell people it was my first time playing that role, and that I would be trying everything out, the 2 DPS say no problem, WHM doesn't answer.

I start tanking and the WHM refuses to heal me, and only does DPS, we start getting wiped by groups os 3+ adds, I ask him if there's a problem or if he as any doubts, no answer.

Later on, I do my first mistake, I aggro 3 groups of adds, the WHM doesn't heal anyone and we get insta wiped.

Then he finally types something, "Go back to WOW lol, we don't have enough AOEs yet, pay attention or you'll get kicked"

Honestly I laughed at it, I never played WOW before so nothing regards to that, I clocked on 106h this Sunday, it's the first time i've ever saw something like this, but honestly, it's not something that affects me, I have over 1k hours at R6 and people there are ROUGH.

That said, I recognize my error in chat, and say that if he could start doing his fricking job we wouldn't be wiping on a low level dungeon.

Annnnnnnnd I got kicked...

LOL, I gotta say, I got a good laugh off this.

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As many said you got yourself a lazy healer. Unfortunately due scaling it is possible to do many lowbie dungeons especially manor with barely any healing if one does single pulls. Personally I have done many dungeons without a healer, and as a healer sometimes I ask the tank to not use cooldowns or take gear off cause healing can be zzz

In short healer was probably just Salty that their role in lowbie content is not really needed haha and stuck with that riveting healer dps gameplay.

Well I just dealt with classic "blame the healers no matter what" despite everyone else screwing up. Took the penalty after second boss in breach because half of my party is a bunch of screwups (one was new and that's okay). It got messy on the second boss because the other party's tank kept dying... somehow. Every tandem assault with the discs on the side half my party dies. Then my cohealer disconnects, I use Healer LB3 and half of them still die. I get so overburdened which then my tank eventually dies. And you know what the best part is? He places blame squarely on me for not healing him. EVEN THE BEST HEALERS WOULD BE UNABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT. I'm one of the better healers in breach and that raid was a lost cause.

Someone even chimed up with "To the healer who whined about being overburdened: maybe play a different job if you can't take the responsibility of healing???????"

So that person from Famfrit, happily run into a wall. You've no idea the crap I had to put up with that run and I wouldn't have wished it on anyone. After my tank blamed me despite solo healing a party that keeps having 4+ deaths every mechanic, AND the tank blames me, AND my cohealer disconnected, I stopped trying and then left after the boss died.

I haven't dealt with that level of disrespect in ages.

I'm a healer, I can't cure stupid.

Edit: After the 30 minute penalty I queued again. it was SO MUCH BETTER. Few mini mistakes from people which got them killed but it was stress free, unlike the last one.