Just discontinued subscription due to Wuk and increased wokeness across SE corp.

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Why? So we can all become whiny, insufferable activists who openly spout contradiction as scientific fact and actively ruin every single community they infiltrate? This nonsense did not exist in-game when I first started playing, because people were there to play the damn game. Now everyone has to put LGBT tags in their bios and advertise every static as inclusive, as if who you're attracted to has any bearing on whether or not you can clear the content; and on top of that, the LGBT activists are claiming ownership of franchises and fandoms that never belonged to them in the first place. FFXIV is for the players and the people who pay a monthly subscription fee to be there, it's not a platform to sit on your soapbox and scream real-world ideology - and that applies to both sides of the argument. Both sides need to shut up and play the game, and stop actively ruining the experience for everyone who does just want to sit back, immerse themselves in a fictional setting and play for a few hours. Activists talk a bit game about human decency and inclusion, but can't stop their crusade for long enough to realise that you're negatively impacting the game for the vast majority of players who simply don't care for ideology in their video games. I want good stories from my games, I want good value for money and I don't want political talking points rammed down my throat by either the developer OR the playerbase.

But I'm sure that makes me a bigot, or a Nazi or some such slur seeing as I'm more right-wing than Chairman Mao and just want to play video games.

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Please tell me how LGBT tags in bios and LGBT inclusive communities are ruining your gaming experience. I'm sure you have a good reason why it bothers you so much when you're reminded that these people exist in the game you play.

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Originally Posted by SlickPaws

Why? So we can all become whiny, insufferable activists who openly spout contradiction as scientific fact and actively ruin every single community they infiltrate? This nonsense did not exist in-game when I first started playing, because people were there to play the damn game. Now everyone has to put LGBT tags in their bios and advertise every static as inclusive, as if who you're attracted to has any bearing on whether or not you can clear the content; and on top of that, the LGBT activists are claiming ownership of franchises and fandoms that never belonged to them in the first place.

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I've been playing since 1.0 and there were LGBT linkshells since the very beginning as there were "hardcore raider" linkshells (free companies didn't exist back then).

Every video game community has all kinds of people. It doesn't "belong" to anyone.

Even in-game LGBT representation has been there since ARR. There's the same-sex couple in the questline for Wanderer's Palace Hard. Yoshi-P even made a point to release Eternal Bonding with the ability for same-sex marriages after player feedback changed his mind from initially wanting to release it without and gauge interest after.

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I've been playing since 1.0 and there were LGBT linkshells since the very beginning as there were "hardcore raider" linkshells (free companies didn't exist back then).

Every video game community has all kinds of people. It doesn't "belong" to anyone.

Even in-game LGBT representation has been there since ARR. There's the same-sex couple in the questline for Wanderer's Palace Hard. Yoshi-P even made a point to release Eternal Bonding with the ability for same-sex marriages after player feedback changed his mind from initially wanting to release it without and gauge interest after.

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And like, Haurchefant is very much pansexual.

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Originally Posted by Smallbunny

People have to "advertise every static as inclusive" because LGBT people in gaming often get harassed just for existing just like in real life. The fact that you can't even grasp this concept makes you look sheltered and lacking in empathy.

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True, stupid peoples do harass others for their difference since the humanity exist. which leaded to wars, genocide etc...
But, you know, over actively promoting "inclusive" make thoses cretin even more angry and aggressive.... And, tire out the peoples who was never bothered by others sexual orientation, skin color, religion, handicap, etc.... to begin with.

Because : We don't want to be part of your "war".

Oh, BTW, a lot of thoses famous "inclusive" people are not inclusive at all since a lot consider that all middle aged white man are automatically some brutal sexist who abuse women, homophobe and racist.... And also, if you don't agree with them on everything you are a racist and sexist bigot.

It's tiring, i'm tired of this BS.... Please take your "war" elsewhere, i want to just peacefully play.

Oh, and you wasn't especially targeted by my post, i just took the oportunity to use it to vent a bit.

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And like, Haurchefant is very much pansexual.

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Yeah, I had mentioned Haurchefant and Jandelaine before in this thread and didn't want to repeat myself but I guess it does bear repeating. Jandelaine himself is probably the most flamboyant FF character since FFXI's Mayakov.

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Originally Posted by Lorika

True, stupid peoples do harass others for their difference since the humanity exist. which leaded to wars, genocide etc...
But, you know, over actively promoting "inclusive" make thoses cretin even more angry and aggressive.... And, tire out the peoples who was never bothered by others sexual orientation, skin color, religion, handicap, etc.... to begin with.

Because : We don't want to be part of your "war".

Oh, BTW, a lot of thoses famous "inclusive" people are not inclusive at all since a lot consider that all middle aged white man are automatically some brutal sexist who abuse women, homophobe and racist.... And also, if you don't agree with them on everything you are a racist and sexist bigot.

It's tiring, i'm tired of this BS.... Please take your "war" elsewhere, i want to just peacefully play.

Oh, and you wasn't especially targeted by my post, i just took the oportunity to use it to vent a bit.

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Extremists are in every context, but LGBTQ+ people just existing and deserving rights (the thing people are against in this thread) isn't extremism.

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Originally Posted by Smallbunny

Extremists are in every context, but LGBTQ+ people just existing and deserving rights (the thing people are against in this thread) isn't extremism.

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I might add that LGBTQ people and their oppressors are still part of your community and environments. Thing is, LGBTQ people don't have the luxury to just call it off and have it be peaceful and quiet. Because that's status quo, and the current status quo is still seeing them oppressed and killed.

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Every video game community has all kinds of people. It doesn't "belong" to anyone.

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That's exactly what I've been trying to say, but it seems that the majority of people in this thread are claiming ownership and deciding they can just push out everyone who isn't a rabid LGBT activist.
I'll reiterate again that I personally don't care about gay characters or the sexuality of any player who plays the game. I care that they can play the game. I just hate that this thread appears to be the community finally placing an ever-changing rainbow flag in FFXIV and saying "This land has always been gay."

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Extremists are in every context, but LGBTQ+ people just existing and deserving rights (the thing people are against in this thread) isn't extremism.

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Everyone HAVE rights. Period.
But we are at a point where you can't say no to some minority without having a sh*tstorm... This will no make their fight for less discrimation any good, but hey don't care...

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Everyone HAVE rights. Period.
But we are at a point where you can't say no to some minority without having a sh*tstorm... This will no make their fight for less discrimation any good, but hey don't care...

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No that's the paradox of tolerance

Not everyone has rights sadly, both on the internet and IRL.

Call me when people will fear of losing friends and family ,get kicked out from their house or fear getting harassed while going outside and holding hands for being straight.
oh and when LGBTQ+ people will make threads complaining because there's a white or a straight character in a media.

Sounds like a made up scenario right? :p

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Originally Posted by Smallbunny

No that's the paradox of tolerance

Not everyone has rights sadly, both on the internet and IRL.

Call me when people will fear of losing friends and family ,get kicked out from their house or fear getting harassed while going outside and holding hands for being straight.
oh and when LGBTQ+ people will make threads complaining because there's a white or a straight character in a media.

Sounds like a made up scenario right? :p

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No, people just fear losing friends, family, livelihoods and gaming accounts for criticising anything pro-LGBT, and fear getting harassed and doxxed by terminally-online left-wing activists.

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Originally Posted by Smallbunny

No that's the paradox of tolerance

Not everyone has rights sadly, both on the internet and IRL.

Call me when people will fear of losing friends and family ,get kicked out from their house or fear getting harassed while going outside and holding hands for being straight.
oh and when LGBTQ+ people will make threads complaining because there's a white or a straight character in a media.

Sounds like a made up scenario right? :p

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To be fair, I have seen a lot of “yuck more straight white males!” in gaming conversations. You can find these comments every time a game is released with what some call “generic” leads on the cover.

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No, because then we end up like your last comment using terms without their meaning and you can't apply them to actual discussions since you don't actually understand them.

People have to "advertise every static as inclusive" because LGBT people in gaming often get harassed just for existing just like in real life. The fact that you can't even grasp this concept makes you look sheltered and lacking in empathy.

There's no "both sides" or "playing the devil's advocate" bullshit, because one of your so called "sides" just want to live without people harassing them.

Players who actually "don't care" wouldn't spend their energy crying on a internet forum about a made up scenario in their head.

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You want harassment? How about IRL when I worked as a cashier, had a gay man who wouldn't take "No" for an answer, and stalked me for 3 weeks. He got my phone number found out where I lived and followed me home, it got to the point I had to file a restraining order. I just wanted to live without being harassed by a gay man, but I got absolutely LAMBASTED as a "bigot and a homophobe" for DARING to speak out. So now what do I do when I have a gay man in game that starts spamming me with the Dote emote, then starts sending me tells? One who when I ask them please not to, I get lambasted as a "phobe" again? There is a grand total of 3 people on my blacklist, and he is one of them. I certainly don't get any fucking empathy.

The fact you and others don't get the concept that there are plenty of bad people in the LGBTQ++ as well makes you look sheltered and lacking empathy. Though no, I don't get a choice. I don't get a choice to have a damn good reason to be scared or a little bit freaked out when I have an LGBTQ++ player run up to me and start doing lewd things to my character. Even more so if they decide that me saying "please don't" isn't a reason to stop. Why? Oh simple, many know that it's just so easy to slap me with a "phobe", "bigot", or whatever else they want in order scare me into complying. Doesn't matter I have a legitimate reason, which granted is rare to have a legitimate reason, to be a little bit upset that ONCE AGAIN I am being forced to deal with it. The fact LGBTQ++ exist doesn't bother me, the fact quite a few want me to treat them differently does. I just want to treat them like anyone else, BUT NO, I have to treat them special because THEY ARE DIFFERENT, WHICH THE MUST LET ME KNOW RIGHT FROM THE GET GO. Nevermind that it brings up a particularly terrifying moment in my life. I don't mind if someone is LGBTQ++, (hell one of my brothers is gay), but please for the love of the Twelve, don't sit there and pretend like it's "just living without being harassed". They want recognition for being different, that it's not the recognition they want means i'm automatically a POS.

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Call me when people will fear of losing friends and family ,get kicked out from their house or fear getting harassed while going outside and holding hands for being straight.
oh and when LGBTQ+ people will make threads complaining because there's a white or a straight character in a media.

Sounds like a made up scenario right? :p

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It's not made up, it exist in my country.
There is even some people that win trial about removing my country flag in the icon of a company because "it's racist".

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Originally Posted by Smallbunny

Extremists are in every context, but LGBTQ+ people just existing and deserving rights (the thing people are against in this thread) isn't extremism.

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I agree, sadly there are tons of malevolent people hide under the banner of LGBTQ+ because they know they can gain instant gratification with clout and support which give them free pass to justify their behavior

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You want harassment? How about IRL when I worked as a cashier, had a gay man who wouldn't take "No" for an answer, and stalked me for 3 weeks. He got my phone number found out where I lived and followed me home, it got to the point I had to file a restraining order. I just wanted to live without being harassed by a gay man, but I got absolutely LAMBASTED as a "bigot and a homophobe" for DARING to speak out. So now what do I do when I have a gay man in game that starts spamming me with the Dote emote, then starts sending me tells?.

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This is giving Smithers at the strip club energy and I am here for it.

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Extremists are in every context, but LGBTQ+ people just existing and deserving rights (the thing people are against in this thread) isn't extremism.

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You know, accusing all people who slightly disagree with you of being against '' LGBTQ+ people just existing and deserving rights'' is not only a wild claim to have and is one of the reason why some people keep complaining about ''Wokeness''. You complain about being oppressed, yet shamelessly point everyone and label them as a bigot. Like if you want people to be aware of your ''fight'' maybe don't copy the people you claim are oppressing you. Be a better person than them.

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This is giving Smithers at the strip club energy and I am here for it.

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It's... not something I like to talk about. I am a small 5'5" man and I can tell you i was perceived as "weak" for a long time because it happened. I've moved past it for the most part, but certain things do make me highly uncomfortable because of it. I do everything I can to make sure I don't treat anyone unfairly because of what happened to me.

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.Be a better person than them.

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So ‘LGBTQ+’ has to ‘be better’ yet the rest can just keep doing as they’re doing? Sounds like a double standard to me. Maybe take your own advice before foisting it upon others

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You want harassment? How about IRL when I worked as a cashier, had a gay man who wouldn't take "No" for an answer, and stalked me for 3 weeks. He got my phone number found out where I lived and followed me home, it got to the point I had to file a restraining order. I just wanted to live without being harassed by a gay man, but I got absolutely LAMBASTED as a "bigot and a homophobe" for DARING to speak out. So now what do I do when I have a gay man in game that starts spamming me with the Dote emote, then starts sending me tells? One who when I ask them please not to, I get lambasted as a "phobe" again? There is a grand total of 3 people on my blacklist, and he is one of them. I certainly don't get any fucking empathy.

The fact you and others don't get the concept that there are plenty of bad people in the LGBTQ++ as well makes you look sheltered and lacking empathy. Though no, I don't get a choice. I don't get a choice to have a damn good reason to be scared or a little bit freaked out when I have an LGBTQ++ player run up to me and start doing lewd things to my character. Even more so if they decide that me saying "please don't" isn't a reason to stop. Why? Oh simple, many know that it's just so easy to slap me with a "phobe", "bigot", or whatever else they want in order scare me into complying. Doesn't matter I have a legitimate reason, which granted is rare to have a legitimate reason, to be a little bit upset that ONCE AGAIN I am being forced to deal with it. The fact LGBTQ++ exist doesn't bother me, the fact quite a few want me to treat them differently does. I just want to treat them like anyone else, BUT NO, I have to treat them special because THEY ARE DIFFERENT, WHICH THE MUST LET ME KNOW RIGHT FROM THE GET GO. Nevermind that it brings up a particularly terrifying moment in my life. I don't mind if someone is LGBTQ++, (hell one of my brothers is gay), but please for the love of the Twelve, don't sit there and pretend like it's "just living without being harassed". They want recognition for being different, that it's not the recognition they want means i'm automatically a POS.

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No one in their right mind would have called you homophobic for being a victim of stalking and i am sorry that happened to you.

Yeah being LGBTQ+ doesn't make someone unable to be a bad person, no one is saying that, the key difference is being discriminated because of being LGBTQ+
now you know what women have to face everyday with some straight men.
if you think LGBTQ+ want "recognition for being different" it's clear you never experienced actual discrimination irl, or you never had to interact with people while hiding part of something you can't change for fear of getting hurt.

i'm not gonna bother to reply to the person saying straight people lose family members when they get accused of being homophobic because it's so silly i can't deal with terminally online people.

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I agree, sadly there are tons of malevolent people hide under the banner of LGBTQ+ because they know they can gain instant gratification with clout and support which give them free pass to justify their behavior

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exactly ,as for many other things, LGBTQ+ people are people and can be bad, but not because they are LGBTQ+. I don't think it's that hard to grasp so i can't tell if people in this thread are being dishonest or just don't think.

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It's... not something I like to talk about. I am a small 5'5" man and I can tell you i was perceived as "weak" for a long time because it happened. I've moved past it for the most part, but certain things do make me highly uncomfortable because of it. I do everything I can to make sure I don't treat anyone unfairly because of what happened to me.

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I mean, jokes aside it’s an unfortunate truth that there’s always some bad people within any community, whether it’s LGBTQ+ straight trans whatever. And it’s genuinely sad that these people can bring down perceptions of these communities by not respecting the boundaries of others. Not to mention many places don’t have adequate or easily accessed support for men who go through this sort of thing.

But in my experience nobody in the LGBTQ+ community is trying to defend of justify the actions of such people. Being open and comfortable with who you are is one thing, but naturally that doesn’t have to come at the expense of other’s happiness, regardless of sexuality

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i'm not gonna bother to reply to the person saying straight people lose family members when they get accused of being homophobic because it's so silly i can't deal with terminally online people.

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"Lalalala, cancel culture has never existed"
It's not like anyone has ever had their lives ruined by activists taking a special interest and going out of their way to be malicious. It's not like anyone has ever lost a job, had a career ruined or a family torn apart as a direct result of left-wing activism taking place in very public spaces on the internet... That's *NEVER* happened. And you seriously sit there and question why I'd compare your ideology to the Ministry of Truth.
Besides, you didn't get the memo I see - the narrative switched a while ago from "Doesn't exist" to "Yes, it exists, but it's a good thing when we do it." You might need to get your latest update.

I also find it absolutely wild that you'd say as a direct response to someone coming out about harassment, and I quote "now you know what women have to face everyday with some straight men." Damn, dude. Where's the empathy I've heard so much about? It only exists when it's convenient to your argument.

i told myself i wouldnt feed a bait thread but wow you are terminally online

free block list tho yay

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"Lalalala, cancel culture has never existed"
It's not like anyone has ever had their lives ruined by activists taking a special interest and going out of their way to be malicious. It's not like anyone has ever lost a job, had a career ruined or a family torn apart as a direct result of left-wing activism taking place in very public spaces on the internet... That's *NEVER* happened. And you seriously sit there and question why I'd compare your ideology to the Ministry of Truth.
Besides, you didn't get the memo I see - the narrative switched a while ago from "Doesn't exist" to "Yes, it exists, but it's a good thing when we do it." You might need to get your latest update.

I also find it absolutely wild that you'd say as a direct response to someone coming out about harassment, and I quote "now you know what women have to face everyday with some straight men." Damn, dude. Where's the empathy I've heard so much about? It only exists when it's convenient to your argument.

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"cancel culture" always existed and it has nothing to do with being left, it's just people reacting to what you say and not wanting to deal with someone.

your second paragraph shows again your lack of reading comprehension or you are in just bad faith.

also edit: i'd love to hear an example of a poor man's career being ruined randomly by cancel culture

but keep going on how you much you don't care about it.

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"cancel culture" always existed and it has nothing to do with being left, it's just people reacting to what you say and not wanting to deal with someone being discriminatory.

your second paragraph shows again your lack of reading comprehension or you are in just bad faith.

but keep going on how you much you don't care about it.

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You radicalised me with your utterly moronic takes, double standards and smug attitude, I guess. Congratulations, you pushed another person to the evil "far right" boogiemen who want to erase you faster than the WoL erased the Endless.
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You radicalised me with your utterly moronic takes, double standards and smug attitude, I guess. Congratulations, you pushed another person to the evil "far right" boogiemen who want to erase you faster than the WoL erased the Endless.
/s

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Anyone who unironically says "woke" or any other 4chan cringe buzzword in 2024 will never be an ally therefore i don't care about winning you over don't worry.

Can't help who doesn't want to be helped and cries victim while being part of the 90% worldwide population.

Go back to escape in videogames without realizing most games are political by nature since they are made and played by real people.

My last reply to this thread. have fun!

As an aside but related to topics like this one, and a few in the past here: People such as the OP aren't the only people who feel this way. Coincidentally, Asmongold reacted to a topic somewhat like this one today:

https://youtu.be/hgTHvx2J-aY?si=pq0mgwtRvuCBr6nE

WARNING: The original video he's responding to may come across as offensive to some. However, Asmon does mention Shadowbringers as a good story written by a woman, and Dion as a good character that while gay isn't a character people seem to have any issue about.

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Anyone who unironically says "woke" or any other 4chan cringe buzzword in 2024 will never be an ally therefore i don't care about winning you over don't worry.

Can't help who doesn't want to be helped and cries victim while being part of the 90% worldwide population.

Go back to escape in videogames without realizing most games are political by nature since they are made and played by real people.

My last reply to this thread. have fun!

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Telling me I'll never "be an ally" is hardly the insult you think it is when it's very clear that I never wanted to be a part of your bullshit war in the first place. You talk about crying victim, but it's all you've done for the past few posts. Oppression this, harassment that, "Oh it's bad you got harassed, but now you know how women feel." It's all the LGBT community ever do, it's all they've done in this thread. "WE'RE SO OPPRESSED" we hear you scream, as legions of people pop in to dogpile anyone who dares to disagree or just ask you to shut up for 5 minutes. FFXIV is a VERY inclusive game, and its players really like to live their lives loud. You can't actually sit there and tell me or anyone that it's an actively oppressive space for the LGBT community when all you have to do is open your eyes and look around at the sheer amount of LGBT tags, LGBT FCs, LGBT statics and public LGBT acceptance in everything from FC recruitment messages, to public chats and Novice Networks. You are not being oppressed in FFXIV, so stop acting like it. If anything, LGBT Ideology has an active hegemony over the game and that's why you've all been so willing to throw your hats into the ring and make dubious arguments about how the franchise has always been for the LGBT community since its inception. You've even made examples yourself about how the developers have made allowances for things like same-sex marriage... So again, where the hell is your oppression?

On the flipside, you have people who don't much care for the ideology or what sexuality you are because games are *supposed* to be a form of escapism. Or do you think I should be playing as a generic white guy instead of a cute catgirl? Do we all need to be represented in video games in fictional settings, features non-human races? Should we all just stay in our lane and carry all of our baggage into these games and lay it all on other people whether they ask for it or not? The real thing I don't understand is why the hell it matters so much what your sexuality is and why you need to share that with other players. That's honestly my main gripe with LGBT in this game. Stands to reason that if you don't have to reveal the information that will (allegedly) have you become oppressed, then why does it matter so much to share it in the first place?

Imagine being angry an international company is diverse. How exactly is an international company supposed to avoid being diverse?

Bro you don't even have a single job at 100 how can you even have an opinion on DT?

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It's... not something I like to talk about. I am a small 5'5" man and I can tell you i was perceived as "weak" for a long time because it happened. I've moved past it for the most part, but certain things do make me highly uncomfortable because of it. I do everything I can to make sure I don't treat anyone unfairly because of what happened to me.

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I'm sorry for what happened to you. No one should be harassed like that. When it's done by a biological male it elicits a special kind of fear that everyone who has experienced it first hand will recognize. Oftentimes our lizard brain can alert us of a very real danger before any harm has taken place, and ignoring it can have dire consequences. You are not wrong to be cautious around people who make you feel uncomfortable.

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Originally Posted by SlickPaws

"Lalalala, cancel culture has never existed"
It's not like anyone has ever had their lives ruined by activists taking a special interest and going out of their way to be malicious. It's not like anyone has ever lost a job, had a career ruined or a family torn apart as a direct result of left-wing activism taking place in very public spaces on the internet... That's *NEVER* happened. And you seriously sit there and question why I'd compare your ideology to the Ministry of Truth.
Besides, you didn't get the memo I see - the narrative switched a while ago from "Doesn't exist" to "Yes, it exists, but it's a good thing when we do it." You might need to get your latest update.

I also find it absolutely wild that you'd say as a direct response to someone coming out about harassment, and I quote "now you know what women have to face everyday with some straight men." Damn, dude. Where's the empathy I've heard so much about? It only exists when it's convenient to your argument.

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I'm not going to get much farther into it, but suffice to say that's the big problem i've been trying to point out in this and other threads. Fear. I've had several times in my life where the color of my skin, my sexuality, and my sex/gender as a "CiS Straight White Male" has kept me from speaking out. Not from bigotry or hatred, but from genuine fear. Everyday I have to be so careful, because all it takes is one, one "label" tossed on me... and everyone hates me. Does it happen often? No, not at all. It's rare, but it has happened to me. I freely admit I am a small, timid, and shy man. I have never been so afraid as I am today. God, I know this sounds like a stupid sob story but it's... it's kind of nice to just finally say it. I don't know what to do anymore, I feel like my life from here on out is going to be lived in fear.

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So ‘LGBTQ+’ has to ‘be better’ yet the rest can just keep doing as they’re doing? Sounds like a double standard to me. Maybe take your own advice before foisting it upon others

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Nice attempt at a strawman you got there. Sadly for you I neither stated that my advice was only targetted at LGBTQ nor that the other can just ''keep doing as they're doing''.

My only point is that the moment you step down to the level of a bully/bigots and use the same ''tactic'' as them, is also the moment you stop being a victim and become an hypocrite.

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I'm sorry for what happened to you. No one should be harassed like that. When it's done by a biological male it elicits a special kind of fear that everyone who has experienced it first hand will recognize. Oftentimes our lizard brain can alert us of a very real danger before any harm has taken place, and ignoring it can have dire consequences. You are not wrong to be cautious around people who make you feel uncomfortable.

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I was in a blind panic during the whole thing. Luckily my boss was woman in her 40's who knew exactly what to do. I was only 22, and had no idea. My biggest concern was losing my job if he decided to start telling people I was a bigot or homophobic. Would the company have sided with me? I didn't know. All I knew is I needed that job. I was barely in my 20's it was the first job I had been able to get in a year. My father and I desperately needed me to be working as he no longer could. I know this sounds like some BS made up sob story, but my life has been... rough.

I'm just gonna say this: the fact that this is mostly relevant to 'Murica and still gets pushed to international audiences just asked that even the anti colonialist people still, ironically, have a colonialist mindset

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Then you need more experience. Because that happens a lot.

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I'm just gonna say this: the fact that this is mostly relevant to 'Murica and still gets pushed to international audiences just asked that even the anti colonialist people still, ironically, have a colonialist mindset

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Anti-colonialism in the west died around WW2, the only Anti-colonialism that exists now in the west is anti-anyone-else's-colony-ism. And you bet, if a country has something we want and won't give it up, that government has to go.

'We are the party of inclusivity and tolerance. Bigotry, racism, and sexism is bad. No one should have their livelihoods ruined. Unless it's a straight white CIS person or someone who disagrees with me. A straight white CIS person can't be discriminated against because they are the power structure, hence when we label them it's not discriminatory. But if they disagree with me, they're a bigot. If a straight white CIS loses their job or has their lives ruined by an LGBT person, that didn't happen because it can't happen to straight white CIS people and if it did happen, they probably deserved it because they're a bigot and don't deserve my empathy.'

Labelling a group of people to strip them of personhood so that you don't have to even consider their opinions because they're 'the bad guy' and deserve anything that happens to them, no matter how horrible. It reminds me of some things I've read about in history, but I can't put my finger on it...

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

'We are the party of inclusivity and tolerance. Bigotry, racism, and sexism is bad. No one should have their livelihoods ruined. Unless it's a straight white CIS person or someone who disagrees with me. A straight white CIS person can't be discriminated against because they are the power structure, hence when we label them it's not discriminatory. But if they disagree with me, they're a bigot. If a straight white CIS loses their job or has their lives ruined by an LGBT person, that didn't happen because it can't happen to straight white CIS people and if it did happen, they probably deserved it because they're a bigot and don't deserve my empathy.'

Labelling a group of people to strip them of personhood so that you don't have to even consider their opinions because they're 'the bad guy' and deserve anything that happens to them, no matter how horrible. It reminds me of some things I've read about in history, but I can't put my finger on it...

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oh oh! was it the Nazis?

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this thread is funny asl