Lore Book Revelations

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Originally Posted by FJerome

Pulse of Life is the White Mage Three Bar Limit Break so obviously it is our fault for not going everywhere with a group of seven trusted companions at all times.

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I'm not sure that's exactly how LBs work, lorewise.
Looking at Chimatsuri for example, all it says is that it's using the aether suffusing a battlefield - which probably means a ninja could even do it solo, provided they are able to use the ability in the first place. A similar restriction is put on Final Heaven (though the phrasing: "Cannot be used until the practitioner is prepared to reach beyond mortal limits into the divine" is borderline 4th wall breaking).
In the case of Pulse of Life, it says it draws upon the reserves of all allies present, but it doesn't state any restrictions as to how and when it can be used - so if there are sufficient allies around, yeah, a WHM WoL would be able to use it, with a higher strain put on the allies the less there are to draw from (probably even killing some if there are too few or their aetherial reserves are lacking).

Anything about Nanamo, please?

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Originally Posted by FJerome

If Yugiri has a family/clan name the Lore Book doesn't give it.

Rowena genuinely doesn't seem to be doing anything with the tomestones but selling them, the more interesting question is who's she selling them to. The section on Allagan Chimera talks about how scholars thought creatures like Hydra were natural until they started deciphering the tomestones so I suspect that our ultimate buyers may be Sharlayan.

Julyan is afraid of aging. Despite being a mother to a man of twenty-three summers she claims to still be a very young woman and it is extremely dangerous to suggest that she owes her fresh looks to the best alchemical creams and tonics the Manderville fortune can buy.

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Wow. Thanks, you are my hero. Any indication of what Yugiri was the Lady of? She leads the refugees, sure but did she lead Doma as well?

Twenty-three summers? Godbert? Seven hells! How often do they have summers there? I'm twenty five years old.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Wow. Thanks, you are my hero. Any indication of what Yugiri was the Lady of? She leads the refugees, sure but did she lead Doma as well?

Twenty-three summers? Godbert? Seven hells! How often do they have summers there? I'm twenty five years old.

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Godbert is 56 or 58 I believe. Its Hildy that's 23...

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Wow. Thanks, you are my hero. Any indication of what Yugiri was the Lady of? She leads the refugees, sure but did she lead Doma as well?

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Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea

"Having thus mastered ninjutsu and being given the epithet "Mistwalker", she pledged herself to the remnants of the Doman general's clan. Thereafter, she waged a war against the Garlean Army. Alas, the rebellion ended in defeat, and the Domans lost everything. Obeying her lord's orders, Yugiri led a number of her countrymen in flight."

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. . . I really look forward to seeing what the Japanese phrasing of that text is because I would bet cold hard gil that they're going to call her lord "Shogun" instead of the vaguer "Doman general".

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Originally Posted by FJerome

Julyan is afraid of aging. Despite being a mother to a man of twenty-three summers she claims to still be a very young woman and it is extremely dangerous to suggest that she owes her fresh looks to the best alchemical creams and tonics the Manderville fortune can buy.

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I knew all those lotions and potions om the Mandervillian Maid barding were Julyan's!.... But I certainly won't tell her that.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Godbert is 56 or 58 I believe. Its Hildy that's 23...

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Ah yes. A mother of a man of twenty three summers. Reallly failing at reading here. Now that makes a lot more sense.

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Originally Posted by FJerome

. . . I really look forward to seeing what the Japanese phrasing of that text is because I would bet cold hard gil that they're going to call her lord "Shogun" instead of the vaguer "Doman general".

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Interesting. So she wasn't actually Doman after all. The book does say that ninja are from Higashima I believe. Originally I mean. And she joined Doma AFTER it had been destroyed. I might be incorrect, hut japanese pretty much says shogun instead of general anyway, so it's likely shogun in the original. Maybe it isn't named explicitly because we might bump into said general *cough* Cyan *cough* if we get Samurai in Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

I knew all those lotions and potions om the Mandervillian Maid barding were Julyan's!.... But I certainly won't tell her that.

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It puts the lotion in the basket.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Interesting. So she wasn't actually Doman after all. The book does say that ninja are from Higashima I believe. Originally I mean. And she joined Doma AFTER it had been destroyed.

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Sorry! I'm trying to avoid getting in trouble for reproducing the entire book here so I'm not transcribing full entries, which meant I left some important stuff out.

Yugiri probably is from Doma, she's definitely not from Hingashi, she's described as "having witnessed the terrors wrought by the Garlean Empire, a young Yugiri made the pilgrimage from her Raen home to the village of the shinobi, seeking tools with which she might fight the Empire".

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

Anything about Nanamo, please?

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I haven't seen anything we didn't already know but to be fair the more important a character is the more the information about them is just scattered everywhere, such as how Aymeric's love of cooking isn't listed in his entry but wound-up mentioned in Lucia's.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

The book does say that ninja are from Higashima I believe.

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Going to take a wild guess that the kanji for that is 日ヶ島, which would literally mean "sun island." What's Japan called by the Japanese? 日本, "origin of the sun."

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Originally Posted by FJerome

Sorry! I'm trying to avoid getting in trouble for reproducing the entire book here so I'm not transcribing full entries, which meant I left some important stuff out.

Yugiri probably is from Doma, she's definitely not from Hingashi, she's described as "having witnessed the terrors wrought by the Garlean Empire, a young Yugiri made the pilgrimage from her Raen home to the village of the shinobi, seeking tools with which she might fight the Empire".

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No worries. I still appreciate all the info. Don't want to get you into trouble. Altough SE doesn't seem to do anything about all the scan uploads. Thankfully, cause I can't afford to buy and ship a lorebook at present and am very hungry for lore. But honestly I plan to buy the whole thing eventually either way. So she left Doma to become a ninja, but came back too late. Now that's even more interesting.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Going to take a wild guess that the kanji for that is 日ヶ島, which would literally mean "sun island." What's Japan called by the Japanese? 日本, "origin of the sun."

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Okay I searched for that part again. It's Hingashi and apparently it means "the east". Also it's an island nation that isn't a part of Othard. So I guess it is like Vylbrand and Aldenard.
If I understand the Au Ra entry correctly, Doma is the city state of the region of Yanxia.

Ooph. They're getting archaic with their Japanese now, too.

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Originally Posted by FJerome

Pulse of Life is the White Mage Three Bar Limit Break so obviously it is our fault for not going everywhere with a group of seven trusted companions at all times.

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I somehow dont really believe that LB3 has the same functions ingame than it does in the story. Papalymo kinda activated some kind of LB with Yda and they were only two people. Alisae might have taken more time to charge hers but we were also not a full party. And it was already said the description only mentions that you need some other people that you draw from and we had some people with us. (And instead of having to rezz a whole party this was only one person with one wound)

In regards to the Limit Breaks... it's a gameplay mechanic. Theoretically we should be able to use one on our own, but that sort of thing would just make headaches. Healer and tank Limits aren't particularly useful in solo play, and you'd have to go around fighting and killing things before every dungeon just in case you need it. There's nothing you should need a Limit for in open-world solo play, and no fight should be unwinnable without a Limit. (The only one that comes to mind where it's absolutely necessary is Alexander Prime, and that will probably disappear once people reach higher gear levels. A couple other fights (Ifrit HM, Ultima HM, and the Chrysalis) come to mind, but they are manageable without it.)

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Ooph. They're getting archaic with their Japanese now, too.

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They've been doing that since the introduction of the Au Ra, kinda. Check out the Raen naming conventions; it's a long explanation on what should be a lore-friendly name with details on archaic (14th - 16th century) Japanese and how naming your Au Ra after your favorite anime character more than likely isn't lore-friendly because they're mostly modern names. (Cf. Xaela conventions, which can be summed up with "Pick an old Mongolian name and a tribe with a quirky custom.")

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Correction: 16th - 18th century Japanese names.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I somehow dont really believe that LB3 has the same functions ingame than it does in the story. Papalymo kinda activated some kind of LB with Yda and they were only two people. Alisae might have taken more time to charge hers but we were also not a full party. And it was already said the description only mentions that you need some other people that you draw from and we had some people with us. (And instead of having to rezz a whole party this was only one person with one wound)

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From the descriptions I've seen of them (couldn't get a book, so I may be wrong), they require a large amount of ambient aether generated from high-stress situations (i.e. heavy combat) with a bunch of people present (Pulse of Life specifically states it takes aether from many people allies in the area to heal them. Not something you can do solo). So a single person really cannot generate an LB3 on their own in any sort of reasonable amount of time, even the WoL.

As far as Yda and Papalymo are concerned...what just happened beforehand, and what were they doing then? It was basically a last-ditch effort to try to buy time and save themselves.

Atleast as far as WHM LB3 seems to be concerned, for many situations the use of it would probably not go over very well for some of our allies well-being. If we had all the Scions together, or if whatever Papalymo casted on Yda works for the WHM one as well (FFVIII Aura maybe?) it could probably work, and while other PCs are not considered Warriors of Light in our story they are certainly more exceptional as to be near or on par with our level so they come out fine as well.

Alisae and the WoD Black Mage taking so long to charge up could also be explained by them and us not having as many people as would be ideal to work with, thus a larger charge time. Speaking of off topic but has anyone lost that part of the battle? I assume the BLM would use Meteor but its always possible it ends up being something else.

Limsa Guilds:
http://amdapori.tumblr.com/post/1522...imsa-lominsa-4

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Originally Posted by Writer

Limsa Guilds:
http://amdapori.tumblr.com/post/1522...imsa-lominsa-4

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And I see there is no bios for Melkoko, Blansytr, or Sisipu in that section. Shame (Unless they are elsewhere in the book?).

Also it seems that the entire section of Limsa AND the Voidsent bestiary were uploaded.

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Limsa Guilds:
http://amdapori.tumblr.com/post/1522...imsa-lominsa-4

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Jacke Swallow, huh? I'm sure that isn't an allusion to Jack Sparrow. Nope

I remember in one of the Monk quests, with that historian explaining some history about the war between Gridania and Ala Mhigo... He mentioned something about a staff (which was significant enough to be named and all) that was lost and captured by the Ala Mhigans after one of the Gridanian commanders launched a very foolish offensive.

Does the lorebook mention anything about this? I've a feeling that staff's going to turn up somewhere with the new expansion...

off the top of my head, I think that's Claustrum, which Kan-E-Senna now wields

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

I remember in one of the Monk quests, with that historian explaining some history about the war between Gridania and Ala Mhigo... He mentioned something about a staff (which was significant enough to be named and all) that was lost and captured by the Ala Mhigans after one of the Gridanian commanders launched a very foolish offensive.

Does the lorebook mention anything about this? I've a feeling that staff's going to turn up somewhere with the new expansion...

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This is actually Kan-e-Senna's wand, Claustrum. The wand eventually came back to Gridania and found its way to her capable hands. Whether or not the lore book mentions anything about this, I could not say.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Uh, which one was confirmed to be a corrupted WoL again?

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Chuchulain, he is described as one of the champions of the 13th that was corrupted by auracite. This description matches exactly with Unukulhai's story. Neither explicitly use the term 'Warrior of Light' but the 'champions' or 'great warriors' of the various worlds are likely to be their equivalent of us. The fact that they were capable of slaughtering primals en masse, as per Unukulhai's story, means they almost certainly posessed the Echo at the very least.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Please don't say that. I have a degree in linguistics. Sure it is still present so it isn't literally destroyed, but it is irreversably lost to the darkness. For all intents and purposes it is gone.

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I meant no offense in saying that. Your statement was ambiguous though as it is debatable whether Rejoined worlds could also be considered 'destroyed' or not. That was the point that caused confusion. I merely expanded on your argument. I understood what you meant, but others did not.

I know. And this isn't how I act when I am actually hurt. It really was oddly worded. But you know, professional pride and all that. I think rejoined worlds are definitely destroyed. But I don't know if any world rejoined at all. I mean Nabriales wanted to make the next rejoining so it stands for reason that there was a previous one, but the way I understand is: rejoining is just another word for calamity. I mean there are fourteen worlds in total and we had like, how many calamities here on Hydaelin? six? The total number of calamities overall should approach a hundred, yet Zodiark is still sleeping.

My understanding is that when a world is Rejoined it ceases to exist and its aether is reabsorbed by Hydaelyn and reintegrated into the Source world. The 'why' of it is still unclear though. The impression I get is that Hydaelyn suffers so much damage from a Calamity that she has to draw aether from a reflected world in order to restore herself but there are a bunch of holes in that theory.

We don't actually know if the reflected worlds suffer Calamities as we do on the Source. We don't really know much of what goes on on the reflected worlds at all in fact. The only knowledge we have of them is that the Ascians do interfere on them (Igeyorhm accidentally caused the 13th's Flood of Darkness and the WoD's fought Mitron on the First) so there clearly is something that needs to happen on those worlds as well to engineer a Rejoining.

The ultimate goal for the Ascians though is to have all of the reflections Rejoined with the Source. It's not the Calamities themselves that actually matter; they're just a means to an end. Returning all of that scattered aether to the Source is what will wake Zodiark up somehow. Again, though, we don't know why.

I feel like the semantics might be getting weird. Hopefully I can help instead of make things worse:

Rejoined worlds are often called "destroyed" by NPCS (in multiple languages). The entire dimension is collapsed back into the Source, killing everyone and everything there and causing all of that aether to be rejoined to the original dimension. This has happened seven times. Seven planes of existence have been entirely destroyed.

(1 Source + 13 Shards) - 7 Rejoinings = 1 Source and Six Shards

Why? Because that's how much aether it takes to awaken an entity on par with Hydaelyn Herself.

The void (aka the Thirteenth) has not been dimensionally compressed; it's still there. Thus it probably doesn't count as one of the seven, but one of the six. That one dimension, a void, is now just worthless to Zodiark; its aether has been shorn away. Could it be the other way around and the victim of awkward wording? Perhaps. But the claims seem rather specific: The void is still a dimension, just one devoid of aether - devoid of light - where no life or death exists and all that was has become starved and monstrous. Destroyed? Yeah, pretty much. But a different kind of destroyed. Lost to void vs. lost to oblivion.

If Ascians get people to summon primals on the Shards, and Hydaelyn calls champions there, it's probably safe to assume that Calamities happen there, too. The point is to weaken the walls between that dimension and the Source, calling the shard to collapse back inward.

Did the First experience a calamity every time the Source did, or (if the Flood of Light did not begin) would it have only seen the one? I have no idea. They haven't really been clear about that yet. If I had to guess, I'd assume the Source gets a Calamity every time a world is rejoined to it, but a shard only gets its one calamity when it is destroyed.

Can't stress enough, though, that this is all terminology and knowledge as of today.

It might change, it might get more specific.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Did the First experience a calamity every time the Source did, or (if the Flood of Light did not begin) would it have only seen the one? I have no idea. They haven't really been clear about that yet. If I had to guess, I'd assume the Source gets a Calamity every time a world is rejoined to it, but a shard only gets its one calamity when it is destroyed.

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This makes the most sense IMO as it would explain how the specific shard to be Rejoined is actually chosen.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Did the First experience a calamity every time the Source did, or (if the Flood of Light did not begin) would it have only seen the one? I have no idea. They haven't really been clear about that yet. If I had to guess, I'd assume the Source gets a Calamity every time a world is rejoined to it, but a shard only gets its one calamity when it is destroyed.

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It's interesting where this all puts the Divine Chronicles of Mezaya Thousand Eyes, who is now increasingly looking like the Nostradamus of Eorzea - occasionally right, but mostly by virtue of coincidence and confirmation bias?

I'm also curious how far the Sunder extends, mostly because Midgardsormr seems to come from beyond it. It goes pretty far out, given Zodiark's time-out in the moon, but how much further? We know the Allagans had a space program, did their interstellar probes ever start sending back some really weird readings?

So wait, I had been under the impression that our world was one of the remaining shards from what I know from the game itself. Is our world the Source, and if so are we basing this from the game or the lore book (or both)? Still waiting for second wave of books to be ready to try and get mine.

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Originally Posted by FJerome

We know the Allagans had a space program, did their interstellar probes ever start sending back some really weird readings?

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This is something I'm trying really, really hard not to think about because it's the only information we have. Allag had interstellar communications technology. So perhaps the entire universe was reflected with us at the epicenter for all we know. Who knows where the borders are.

And that raises another question, if the Allagans knew their technology worked, they were communicating with ... whom? Even if the answer is just "other Allagans" (that perhaps had made their way out there on Ragnaroks), does that mean that the Allagans who perished in the quakes were left to die? Are the chosen survivors in their interstellar transports still freaking out there?

I don't want to think about it. (Yet.)

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

So wait, I had been under the impression that our world was one of the remaining shards from what I know from the game itself. Is our world the Source, and if so are we basing this from the game or the lore book (or both)? Still waiting for second wave of books to be ready to try and get mine.

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Indeed, we live on the "original" dimensional plane that the other thirteen were reflected from. It's confirmed in both the game and the book.

Huh. Thought I was paying good enough attention and I wasn't. Need to be more careful in the future then, thanks!

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

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So it doesn't get more specific than this in the book.

Anyroad so it isn't the calamity itself that weakens the walls between the source and the fragments. It is Hydaelin herself who does it to repair the damage of the calamity. That's weird because the workings of the Ascians made Hydaelin unable to do anything. Killing off Hydaelin would prevent more rejoinings to occur.

But if 7 rejoined already and can't be traveled to in later expansions than it really does seem that each Calamity on the Source lead to a rejoining. That's kinda weird.

Master Moose. What does to lorebook and/or your notes say about how much of our world is reflected? I mean we have seven hells and seven heavens. Does that also apply to the reflections? Does the void have a seventh hell (that has to be the evilest place ever)? This has bothered me ever since we learned of the 13 reflections.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Master Moose. What does to lorebook and/or your notes say about how much of our world is reflected? I mean we have seven hells and seven heavens. Does that also apply to the reflections? Does the void have a seventh hell (that has to be the evilest place ever)? This has bothered me ever since we learned of the 13 reflections.

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Sadly I am not Anonymoose but I am replying anyway - I don't think the Seven Hells and Heavens actually exist.

In the book they're described as part of the beliefs of the mainstream Twelve Worship religion and the book even mentions that some sects within Twelve Worship have different afterlife beliefs. Given how it's looking increasingly certain that the Twelve themselves don't exist, unless as primals, I'd be really surprised if the rest of their mythology existed.

I'm surprised that the War of Magi lasted 300 years; I always thought it lasted many decades at most, but 300 years? That's a very very long time; even more surprising was that Amdapor was the ruling city state of the 12 city states prior to Mhach developing BLM.

I guess I now understand why Mhach and Amdapor's architecture looked like it was built on pillars/ tall buildings since they were building up due to the rising waters.

I can somewhat see the similarities between the 12 creation myth and what little is know about the Age of the Gods. Both had unchecked creation which where somehow destroyed via Wind Calamity. It was said that Nym summoned a meteor to destroy the creations and for a time harmony was reached. I remember in another thread months ago that speculated that the wind calamity was a Hypercane (which can be the end-result of a comet/meteor crashing into earth) ... then there's the "calamity from the skies" that mentioned by Moogles.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Anyroad so it isn't the calamity itself that weakens the walls between the source and the fragments. It is Hydaelin herself who does it to repair the damage of the calamity. That's weird because the workings of the Ascians made Hydaelin unable to do anything. Killing off Hydaelin would prevent more rejoinings to occur.

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I don't think it goes quote that far, though I can't say how far it goes. Still, quotes like...

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...each Calamity marks a Rejoining─the obliteration of a reflection, and a triumph of the Dark.

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They seek to tear down the barriers which surround the Source. Thus do they rejoice in their Ardor─in your calamities─for each marks a Rejoining. Seven times have they succeeded. Seven times hath the Darkness grown stronger. Seven times have I failed.

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For there is but one way to restore the balance and save our home: the Ardor. Calamitous destruction with the power to break down the barriers between planes, and see our worlds rejoined.

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...imply (to me) that the extraordinary levels of harnessed power and chaos will bring the walls down regardless of other factors. The death of Hydaelyn as a means to stop Rejoinings might be akin to death as a means to stop the spread of cancer; kind of throwing out the baby with the bath water. What would sustain our realm? Perhaps, if the other realms were fully rejoined, we could count on Zodiark - or the unification of the two - to not only peacefully and gently settle into the aetherial realm without causing any disruption to the corporeal but also just leave life to exist in peace. But, given what we know at the moment ... good luck with that. No one seems to care about mortals but Her.

Elidibus - the emissary of Zodiark's will - seems to abhor any death not in service to the Ardor, though. Could that be a sign, or does he just hate everything to do with Her Lifestream and disruption of balance? He also basically said that (should his vision and not that of those in black come to pass) the land, mortals, and everything else would all be reverted to their original, pre-division form rather than just having Zodiark burn out and excise Hydaelyn entirely. So far, none of those alternatives seem auspicious for mortals.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

What does to lorebook and/or your notes say about how much of our world is reflected? I mean we have seven hells and seven heavens. Does that also apply to the reflections? Does the void have a seventh hell (that has to be the evilest place ever)? This has bothered me ever since we learned of the 13 reflections.

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The exact quote from the Lorebook (from the perspective of the Scions of the Seventh Dawn) is...

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This excision of Light from Darkness, however, left a wound in the aether, splitting the corporeal plane from the "Source" into ten and three mirrored "reflections" which, while identical on their formation, saw separate and unique evolutions.

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The seven heavens and seven hells might be an entirely Eorzean belief system based on the original seeds of faith of the Twelve. Lewphon of Sharlayan is credited with organizing much of this into a single narrative only one thousand and forty-four years ago. It probably isn't the most accurate version. I'll try to simplify the (beautiful) language used in the EE:

There was the Whorl, until Althyk emerged and created weight, creating land and firmament. The baby Nymeia emerged from the Whorl, whose tears created a lake (Silvertear). Althyk adopted this babe until it was grown, and their coupling brought forth Azeyma and Menphina - the sun and moon - day and night.

Then did Thaliak emerge from the Whorl and change the lake so that its rivers covered the realm. Azeyma fell in love with Thaliak, and they begat Llymlaen (who expanded Her grandmother's waters to fill the seas) and Nophica, who created life out of loneliness.

Once life had spread throughout the world, Oschon emerged from the Whorl and wandered the world, his journeys creating the mountains and the wind that carried life from the sea and land to the skies. This won Llymlaen's love, but in Oschon's wandering the two were never together long enough to beget other gods.

This wanton creation and destruction led Nymeia to animate a great comet from the heavens and destroy the excess (Rhalgr), bringing harmony to the land . But the Whorl became active once again, creation Byregot and sister Halone. Fearing they would upset the balance, Nymeia put them under Rhalgr's care.

However, Byregot did not want to destroy, and spent much of his time with Thaliak. Halone was more receptive, but became restless and joined Oschon on His wanderings, challenging all before her to battle. This put her at odds with mother Nophica, and, feeling responsible for the rift between then, Oschon called forth magma from the mountains and created Nald'thal to watch over those who had died and prevent them from wandering aimlessly through the void.

Their world complete, the gods created the six elemental heavens - and a seventh to rule them all - and retreated to the firmament. However, in doing so, the seven hells were called into being. (All of the Twelve are allegedly in the heavens.)

First impressions, I'd suspected that the 7 Heavens and 7 Hells were an entirely a new belief system that arose from thousands of years of warped history about the Source, the void, and the twelve surviving reflections. But who can say? Maybe one of our theories will be incidentally right, in the end; take a shot in the dark!

But even trying to conclusively pin down whether Age of the Gods is supposed to be post-division prehistory, or pre-division entirely is giving me a headache. Especially since we have sources saying [A] Life was created after the division, but [B] the corporeal realm existed with the Source.

Who knows what tales are accurate.

Most important lorebook revelation: We are going to need a second lorebook.

Speaking of which. This seems to be a watery twist on the whole "A god emerging from chaos and made creation" concpet permeating msot creation myths. I think this m ight be due to common idea of seeing outer space as an ocean.

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Speaking of which. This seems to be a watery twist on the whole "A god emerging from chaos and made creation" concpet permeating msot creation myths. I think this m ight be due to common idea of seeing outer space as an ocean.

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I took it more as a reference to the Aetheric Sea.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I'm surprised that the War of Magi lasted 300 years; I always thought it lasted many decades at most, but 300 years? That's a very very long time; even more surprising was that Amdapor was the ruling city state of the 12 city states prior to Mhach developing BLM

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It could have been that the first couple hundred years were a cold war situation before direct hostilities openly broke-out between Mhach and Amdapor. That may be why there were six city states at the time the war started but only three seem have mattered in the end; the others had already been destroyed through proxy wars between the Big Two.

Maybe it's a stretch, but I can't shake the feeling that the number 14 is relevant here, specifically in reference to the 7 hells and 7 heavens, and how, counting the source and shards, there are 14 separate planes of existence, 7 of which could be said to have "fallen" in a sense.

I'm not sure if that's just coincidence or not, given that each Calamity was supposedly a sign of a shard rejoining, but then again, maybe the 7 hells/heavens was less a cosmology thing and more of a prophetic thing? Am I making sense to anyone else?

edit: you know that? Let's go all in.

We know from Alexander that stable time loops are a thing. We also know from Alexander that the WoL will make a decision at some point in the future that Alex could not see beyond, but he knows that this decision is an important one, determining the fate of our world (and possibly more for all we know). What if, and this is a pretty big outlandish if, the entirety of what we know is a stable time loop? What if this sequence of H and Z breaking apart then engaging in a rejoining has happened before, and up to the point we're at now, things have just repeated?

Practically speaking, this would mean that yesterday's heroes are today's gods, while today's heroes will be tomorrow's gods. That includes the WoL, and likely other major characters, such as the Scions. This sequence of events that we live as the WoL has happened before, and will happen again, if the stable time loop theory is to be believed. The Twelve, as we know them, may have once been mortals like ourselves, who got caught up in the dance between H and Z, and ultimately brought about a conclusion to the cycle that ends up restarting said cycle. In other words, H and Z may have been broken apart from and then rejoined with one another countless times prior to our existence. But the decision that Alexander believes we will make might be the catalyst that ends this cycle and starts the universe off in a new, true, original direction. One that hasn't been done over and over again for who knows how long.

My thoughts are kinda scattered, but I sorta see it like this; the entities that we know as the Twelve may have once been living beings not unlike ourselves. As things escalate, and assuming the cycle continues on it's "normal" path, situations would arise that would force a rejoining, wiping the shards and making H and Z one again. H, being the Mothercrystal, will see to it that some mortals survive to seed life on the new source, and these mortals, possibly including the WoL and other major characters, will eventually pass into legend and become "the Twelve" in a sense.

Unless, of course, we make a decision that changes everything, like Alexander believes we will.

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Originally Posted by Quor

Maybe it's a stretch, but I can't shake the feeling that the number 14 is relevant here, specifically in reference to the 7 hells and 7 heavens, and how, counting the source and shards, there are 14 separate planes of existence, 7 of which could be said to have "fallen" in a sense.

I'm not sure if that's just coincidence or not, given that each Calamity was supposedly a sign of a shard rejoining, but then again, maybe the 7 hells/heavens was less a cosmology thing and more of a prophetic thing? Am I making sense to anyone else?

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Wouldn't surprise me a bit considering the number of the game. Though I think numerologicaly 12 and 3 seems to be the more common Numbers. The pantheon aside, there are also 12 Black-robed Ascians, 6 Elements with two poles, 6 crystals of these elements, 12 different weapon types as of Heavensward, 3 Dragons heavily tied to Ishgard's history, the Warring Triad, the starting 3 Citystates, their GCs, and a voidsent hierarchy of 12.