*sigh* Sadly we did wipe 2 times doing add phase, I couldn't pick up his damage and we died by fire blast before shield come up which added to the frustration of my rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph
Why do so many people FAIL at dps.
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01-01-2016, 04:19 PMPinkie_Pie
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01-01-2016, 04:57 PMFrederick22Not everyone is against you. From start to end I support your tread a 100%. The reason why people tries to bother you, and push you to the point of break, why? beacuse they want to take the worst of you only to make it as an excuse to show more people that "you are wrong" but you arent. You just have ignore this people, we live on a comunity where people "doesnt want to be told that, what they arent doing is not what they should be doing", they want to learn by thenselfs or they just wanna do whatever they want and dont event care if that bothers orther people, beacuse they are selfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie
So far we have hardcore players - casual players - low/bad players, the low players are the ones of poor experience, the reasons can be many, most cases beacuse old content is super easy and most of key fact of the jobs they play are skiped withouth notice. But of coruse on this kind of players we have the ones that want to improve and the ones that dont want to.
I have seen lots of threads and people alwars respond the same. You know something tells me that most people that are criticising and saying "no,no,no,no", sure that they have already being called "bad player" by someone on the game. Why else would it be? I see no reason so start insulting the thread creator, when is more than clear that only wants to adress an important thing so it cab be an small chance of change, and that he is only targeting the players that dont want to become better beacuse they dont care how they play at all and dont care if they are selfish or trolling. Coomon!
I have being in countelss of dutys and I saw this 2 kind of low players, for the good ones what I did is talking them friendly and pointing them a guide. Some of them said me thanks, orthers do not
Long ago I made a thread of the same topic, and like you almost did I gave up beacuse of the same reasons. I really got tired of being insulted for no reason and also seeing threads with the same topics with the same results.
But you should not give up, for those poeple that dont care how bad they play and only think on themselfs, dont give up. My advice is that you tried to stay calm and give irrefutable evidence so they cant say a word agains you. Even if they keep saing, just when you see they are saing noncense things, you will see that dont have more excuses and you just have to ignore them. Just dont give up.
For the one that tried to frame you, report her/him. You right logs doesnt prove anything.
Most probably im going to have lots of agressive coments but well XD
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01-01-2016, 05:45 PMPinkie_Pie
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01-01-2016, 06:19 PMAethaeryn
I was gonna comment on the creepy signature picture, but then I realized my Miranda gif probably makes people feel similar. >_>
Anyway, I know what you mean about going into Void Ark and having a group struggle because half of the dps aren't even paying attention. I went on scholar last week and watched a ninja in my group repeatedly stop using skills and stand around autoattacking, and I got really frustrated with having to spam heals to keep him alive while he just stood in everything (and it didn't help that the white mage wasn't doing much either). After watching him die to Bile Below on Cuchulainn for the third time while standing standing 10 feet away from the boss and doing nothing, I asked him not to afk or at least let us know beforehand...And he and his wife/girlfriend/whatever (she was the white mage - coincidence?) both ganged up on me and told me to shut up.
As such, I normally just don't even say anything and suffer through hour long runs with groups repeatedly dying to the same stuff every time because they'd rather watch Netflix and 1-2-3 than play the game. Void Ark is boring as heck, but it's a lot worse when it takes twice as long as it should. :/ -
01-01-2016, 06:29 PMstarkingdom
im want you call Vit-bard. i like more hp because i hate getting killed all the time here. but right now im getting new gear with Dex i belive that want bards use right now.
im on pc and i use ps3 gamepad. my main skills are on my gamepad cross bar while the songs on the hotbar 1 & 2 while my hotbar 3 have potions on it.
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01-01-2016, 06:42 PMCallback
My guess is that all the players who would even be competent at this lose interest since this game's combat SUUUUUCKS. It's the most boring thing ever. Once I max out my crafters I'm probably quitting this game.
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01-01-2016, 08:29 PMMeiUshu
so what do you want to achieve with this topic ? prove you are the aboslute best ? prove there are worse then you ? pat your ego? what is it ?
what does it bother you what others do ? seriously ? do your job as best as you can have that satisfaction if you dont like the group take the penalty or get kicked..OR better idea..build your own group with perfect people and play a perfect game together...I mean ....parsers are a bad tool...people mostly ALL lie at one point or another in this game be it with their numbers, their aptitude or anything else...people live a dream that they can be perfect and some find a realization in being perfect it in here rather then i n RL:...just stop blaming anyone for anything ..blame yourself..and move on..the rest is ..irrilevant, life would be so much easier. What does it bother you what others may say ? if you know you did your best and are the absolute best...then what ?..let act speak rather then rage on a Forum where as many people you will meet as many opinoins you will have and not all if not none are the same....my goodness .. -
01-01-2016, 08:39 PMfeint2021Incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick22
It's one thing to point out the faults of others and show your frustration. It's another when you don't point out a solution.
The OP made a giant leap forward by saying they could a DPS class to the fullest. And when evidence said otherwise, then she/he became defensive. Instead of back up claims, nothing but excuses were made.
To sum up the first several pages....OP criticizes others, gives very little input on how they can improve and then shows that they are not better than the people he/she is criticizing. She/he is "never" wrong, instead there is some excuse given. "I'm dead, I was being carried, etc". Instead of something like, "I had a bad run, I may have not performed as well, or some other reason that seems made up.
The reason people commented and were keeping track of this thread? Is because the OP was full of themselves. We all know that there are several players that are bad. But to make a thread criticizing and not giving much input for them to improve? What is the point of that. To just B*tch and complain?
Think about it, if you're just complaining about other players who you think are under performing and can't provide any soluble solution to what you think is the problem, what does that do?
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01-01-2016, 08:48 PMfeint2021You shouldn't be thanking anyone. Instead, look at the points that you were wrong and admit it. Someone who is "always" right, may not be. In this case, you are not, and have been proven wrong multiple times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie
Worse off, you give next to no solution to what you think the problem is. Your arrogance is what turned so many people against you in this thread. The reason people said this was popcorn worthy is because they enjoyed others ripping your poor argument apart.
It was also funny how you got upset because someone posted your IGN, but you had no problem making others feeling bad for their "poor" performance.
Here is something that I hope that will change your tone, the Majority here don't like your tone, nor will they ever with that arrogance you displayed. Here is a crazy idea, but admit you're wrong for once...cause guess what? You are. -
01-01-2016, 08:52 PMFlares117
Able to maximize dps on any class eh, blame ilvl for low mnk dmg. At ilvl 190 and dead there still isn't a 500 dps difference and the alive uptime on demolish and tod is laughable. Don't complain that people in df are just as bad. You have no right to demand more of them when you yourself aren't putting in the effort.The people that go around posting your fflogs.com aren't the elitist in this case. It's you. You demonstrated numerous times in this thread that you too have little to no understanding of what it is like to play at "maximum efficiency" from claiming that your performance was severely lacking due to gear to your misinformed perception of full vit tank is best. My static group did all of savage progression using tanks with either melded or full str gear and many other groups have proven that full vit is worthless. If you want the community to change for the better and want to know how. Look in a mirror and sat with yourself before you go and blame others.
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01-01-2016, 08:56 PMAlphaFox
Wasnt the whole point of the main post about bad DPS who just absolutely refuse to do what they should, refuse to learn or just plain don't care? Sorry, not gonna sift through all 26 pages but I agree as well with the main post. All too often do I see DPS who refuse to try and everyone here trying to cover for them, I am almost 100% positive, have run across at least one DPS where they noticed something was not right and even attempts to try to help or fix it was met with either a rude comment, the dps somehow doing worse and just flat-out ignored.
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01-01-2016, 09:05 PMfeint2021Maybe read through them. If no solution is given, then it's just complaining. No real discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaFox
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01-01-2016, 09:12 PMPinkie_PieI have no solution and maybe I could or talk about it with everyone to gain one but...Quote:
Originally Posted by feint2021
I admitted I was wrong many times but you don't care I already said it, and I said thank you to the people/person trying to cheer me up, so I'll say it again to make you feel good for your reply, sorry again. *sigh* people say cheer up and such but more just keep beating me down to make me trash again like your post and the one after.
Again sorry, I won't ever even speak about this again, even if people are afk auto attacking, I have no right to say anything like you said or anyone else said to me for I am not a great dps, i'm just like them it seems, ones that afk dps or don't try even if I do my very best.
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01-01-2016, 09:29 PMJim_Berry
Pinkie, I feel bad for you due to how the post turned out. But please see it from our perspectives.
As a DPS myself, I tried healing, and I struggle with some content. I can tank a little, but not all content. I can also learn a fight faster as a dps, in this case, NIN. I think your perspective is set this way because it sound like you play all roles equally, so you expect others to play that role the same. Being a dps main, topics like this offends many of us, and most of the community are dominantly dps players. There's always going to be complaints in any role.
- The tank lost aggro on a pull; he's bad or lazy.
- The healer tossed one Stone too many and couldn't get Benediction off; he's bad or lazy.
- The tank is wearing VIT accessories in a dungeon; he's lazy.
- The DRG used Jump at the wrong time, so he got caught in the AoE; he's bad because he don't know the enemy.
These things list are considered mistakes at times. "The NIN is 6 on the hate list." Why? Because the tank set his pull macro for 20 seconds, but he pulled at 10 seconds. Mudras wasn't ready. Used Shadewalker on the tank. Had to get in melee range. Those three things happened while those who normally play with that tank knew he was pulling at 10 and were already prepared.
Think about this:
Someone who fulltimes a DPS may not always give 100% depending on the content. Some of us get "lazy" to the point where we only mainly use our heavy-hitters on the trash instead of full rotations. This may or may not include dots. If you're performing YOUR best, they might be performing THEIR best. YOUR best shouldn't include watching if I'm keeping up Huton, or question why I use Kassatsu + Doton on grouped mobs.
Personally, I just don't care how most people play. The dps complaints mostly stem from Raid content, then that mentality is brought over to lesser content like dungeons. Many people who don't Raid do not Raid for a reason, and they care less about what others say about how they play in lesser content. I do not Raid myself, so when I go DF or PF for a dungeon or something, and they start questioning why my NIN is doing 1179 dps versus 1300 dps, I still remain quiet, because if I just do a /sit, then I'm doing 0 damage, and that'll REALLY give them something to get mad about.
Or, I could suggest to them that I can leave and they find a replacement. Sometimes, that gets them upset, too, because now that got to wait an hour for the PF to fill again. And guess what? Waiting around doing nothing grants you zero dps anyway. I ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS stress if people have issues with how others play, then they should stick with their group instead of pugging. -
01-01-2016, 09:40 PMValkyrie-Amber
like I do get annoyed with people that say only auto attack and press one or two other buttons cause that is just.... lazy but really if they seem to be trying to do more than pressing two buttons I'm fine with them.
What bugs me is when elitist pricks bring parsers to non raid/savage content and complain if someone's only 50 dps below what they should be. The ENG community is far worse than the JP community in this elitist attitude too and want proof go to Tonberry and see what people on that 50/50 server are like. I much prefer JP people... Yet can't really speak JP.... -
01-01-2016, 09:47 PMPinkie_PieThat is what made me make the rant post after that aery run, the mch was just doing that while bouncing around, maybe three to put the dot up and hot shot damage buff and another reason why we wiped on the last boss cause not enough dps to kill adds on add phase before one shot kill but like they said I have no right to say anything. I have no solution to fix it cause to be honest, there is none really besides ranting about it which only gets bashed on if you do. Its a lose lose and leaves you feeling crappy after the bashing. *sigh* T_TQuote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber
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01-01-2016, 09:54 PMJim_BerryPeople who parse are funny to me. I get to see them rage all day while the rest of the group may not even respond lol... Seen a BLM quit because after we beat Faust, he asked if we wanted our numbers. The tank simply said "no", then he pulled, the BLM said, "well, y'all suck." then left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber
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01-01-2016, 10:09 PMValkyrie-Amber
for my own sanity I tend to counter parse when I try savage cause I learned from experience many of the people that complain your dps is low are actually the ones that have an even lower dps but they feel the need to try and scape goat you...
But yeah I started this raid cycle far to late and never cleared as1 and all groups now are like you need to have cleared as1-2-3 and do this amount of dps. so Im not raiding
I really can't stand the intensity of the pricks in savage, like relax practice makes perfect if you keep at it long enough and if you want to complain about someone's dps then teach them how to play whatever class they are using or show them a guide... people that just say you suck and offer no advice... no thanks -
01-01-2016, 10:23 PMElazuThose are definitely places to complain. Any content above level 50 is, really. By then people should at least know the very basics of their jobs and it's certainly a problem that a lot of level 60s still don't know these absolute basics.Quote:
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01-01-2016, 10:23 PMSolarraExactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_Berry
I must say I feel sad at the frequency with which this topic comes up and the harsh judgements some people make about their fellow players.
If you were able to chart player performance you would see it falls on a normal distribution curve (don't know what I'm talking about? Normal Distribution ).
A small proportion of players could be classed as 'bad', with a tiny proportion who are really bad. The same with the players who are 'good', only a tiny proportion of them will be outstanding. Most of us would fall around the middle.
Most players are good enough.
If you use DF you are going to meet players of all abilities. The really good ones aren't just good because they worked hard, some of them may not have worked at all. There is such a thing as natural talent.
Similarly the 'bad' players won't all be bad due to laziness, some of them will have read guides and be trying their absolute best. They might never be 'good' no matter how hard they try. Others might simply be learning and will improve over time.
If you can't handle the fact that not everybody in a random group is going to play to a standard you like, then DF and pugging really aren't the best ways for you to approach content. -
01-01-2016, 10:23 PMKaiser-AceJust like with Savage Second Coil, the rewards aren't worth the hassle so I never intend to do savage. Not to mention even the devs have admitted they designed those fights poorly.Quote:
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01-01-2016, 10:40 PMArtemizYou attracted the kind of response you did for one reason and one reason only, your attitude. Instead of getting emo about it and looking for sympathy take it as a life lesson, don't go around claiming to be hot shit when you're not. Don't be absolute with others and dismiss their reasons for failure while making a load of cheap excuses to your own, "my DPS was low because I died on a carry but if the WHM was better it would have been fine" is a terrrible excuse and a terrible attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie
Why do you think Kanye West gets the stick he does? Is it because he's black? nope. Is it because he's American? nope. Is it because he's rubbish? nope. Is it because he has cheeks like a hamster? nope. It's because he's unbelievably arrogant, it's because he tells everyone he's more important than Shakespeare, or Google or Apple when in reality he's just another generic RnB singer the world wont care about in a few more years.
Claiming you can max out any DPS class is annoying to the people that have maxed out a class, you made it sound trivial and easy when the reality is it's difficult to do, there isn't a player in this game that can max out every DPS easily like you claim because specialisation doesn't work like that. We can all follow a rotation but that's not maxing the class, it's playing it properly, not maxing it.
The point you where trying to make about lazy DPS has some merit, but it all got lost because of your attitude, learn from that what you will. Please note however how the thread went after your first withdrawal. People started discussing the problem rationally and with respect for each other, it could have been like that from the start but wasn't. Read the thread again and ask yourself why that is. -
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01-01-2016, 11:02 PMOsmond
Idk, I don't want to tell ppl how they play, got to the point where to just let them do what they want. If can give some pointers, that's fine, but some demand to that particular player standard, take that somewhere else. Don't like how others do their DPS, just find a static or something, do the DF or any other content w/ that group to feel satisfied.
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01-01-2016, 11:05 PMEidolonBloody agreed/99Quote:
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01-01-2016, 11:05 PMSooChe
I used to complain about dps, until I started to adopt a chill attitude and entered the vault. I met with a healer with absolute no confidence in healing, but was trying very hard to. We wiped alot at the last boss. However, I felt, sometimes, people just needed alittle bit of positive encouragement. I think, to approach other players' mistakes with a positive tone will help diminish the I'll feelings of someone breathing up your neck about playing badly. In turn, the players are encouraged and might go ahead to encourage other players in return. We cleared the vault after 80 mins. And I felt that small step might be a start to some major improvements.
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01-02-2016, 12:46 AMRobertVila
What is this hardcore dps mlg noscope 360 you speak of? I race chocobos and let minions battle each other like Pokemon.
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01-02-2016, 12:57 AMKaurieI feel you may be missing part of the story on that BLM. That said parsing isn't everything, it can simply help you identify weak points in either yourself or your team. You can check it against your DPS partner or other people and see if you are performing to the average. If you see you are constantly between 500-700 and everyone else is 950-1250, then you know there is an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_Berry
I went to do my 60 roulette today, and decided to go on WHM instead of SMN (in part for the 15 min shorter queue time) and on the first pack of mobs, I realized I was going to lose my 15 minutes pretty quick. The pack that normally dies in less than 30 seconds took 4 minutes or so. I've never seen that pack die as slowly as it did, even back when I had 150 gear. An S rank popped later in the dungeon, so I peaced - it wasn't because of the low DPS but the low DPS definitely reinforced my decision.
I am not saying a parser would suddenly make these guys better players, but it may help some people obtain perspective on their performance.
I know the biggest argument against parsers is it encourages harassment, and overall I am against that. However, after reading the countless posts of people defending poor performance, I am leaning more and more towards pro-harassment (not really, but I am going crazy over here).
Honestly, I cannot tell if your post is a troll and/or sarcastic post. However, if you are serious..Quote:
Originally Posted by starkingdom
Please, don't be a VIT Bard. No one is a VIT Bard. If you stack up VIT accessories, you are losing out on a lot of DEX which equals your attack power. It severely reduces your damage output and you become a major hindrance to your team. You're making the job harder on the healer, the tank and the other DPS. And honestly, the healer probably does more dps than you in that scenario. -
01-02-2016, 01:12 AMShyleLuckily, they're just being sarcastic/troll by looking at their character profile on lodestone.Quote:
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01-02-2016, 01:27 AMKaurieGreat :) You never know!Quote:
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01-02-2016, 03:04 AMTheUltimateSephI think you missed the part where I said as long as they aren't just auto attacking and the content is being cleared without wipes (or a lot of dum wipes anyway). Even if someone's dps is subpar if the content is being cleared smoothly I don't see any reason to complain. If anything give them advice on how to improve and if they are hostile or ignore you then leave the group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elazu
Well that sucks. That is pretty bad, yeah with ilevel 200 gear I can definitely understand your frustration. I know you asked him why he didn't use GB but did you try to explain to him why the way he was doing it wasn't right? If so and he just refused to listen I'm really sorry you had to go through that. I'm sorry about my first post on this thread as well, at the time given the way your posts were worded it felt justified but your attitude has changed a lot already. I definitely could have offered something more constructive. I do agree with your overall rant that some dps just suck; in my opinion your post would have been taken more seriously without the Guild Wars 2 or Hello Kitty remarks, and the remark about being able to pick up any class and maximize its potential(that Ik you already apologized for) but hey hind sight is always 20/20 right? Personally I think if a person won't listen to polite and helpful advice on improving and refuses to pull their weight the best thing to do is just eat a penalty and drop. It sucks but you don't risk the ban from mentioning numbers from parsing or harassment of any kind. Maybe after being shunned enough in this manner people like this might start to wise up when they realize they can't get anything done because they are being lazy and no one wants to play with them because of it. I hope you don't get too many more groups like those though. At least, for me anyway, those groups seem to be few and far between which makes it a bit more bearable.Quote:
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01-02-2016, 03:12 AMDGladiusPeople should still know how to play their class properly once you reach lv 50 and beyond. This means you take your time to read your skills and put in some effort to practice and perform in any duty content in a party. Being Subpar should never be in anyone's mindset in how to play their job.Quote:
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01-02-2016, 03:22 AMTheUltimateSephSorry to say but this game thrives and caters to its subpar player base. One only need look at all the content that was nerfed or designed to face roll baby mode difficulty to see that. It definitely is in SEs mindset so why should players care more then the devs? Money talks and the subpar are in the majority. Also maybe they don't main dps but are gatherers or crafters in some cases? Their DoW or DoM class may just have been to clear MSQ content. It goes both ways, many people don't know how to craft HQ or gather efficiently. Should they be slammed by everyone for it?Quote:
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01-02-2016, 03:25 AMRickXRolledDr. Phil says winners never give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I must be a winner!Quote:
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01-02-2016, 03:28 AMRickXRolledFailing DoH and DoL does not slow down others or deny them clears.Quote:
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01-02-2016, 03:35 AMAndreaOn your point about crafting and gathering it doesn't go both ways in the slightest. Those are solo tasks. They don't involve anyone but yourself. The reason people don't "slam" people for it is because it doesn't effect anyone but themselves.Quote:
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Combat on the other hand does not just effect you. You go into a duty with 3/7/23 other people. To simply not do what your class is supposed to do because you 'don't care' as you put it is extremely rude to the other people you get in your duty. Im fine with people being new to the game, I'm fine with people not being as good as others. There comes a limit however where you can't just expect people to put up with it. If someone is doing less damage at 60 than people were doing at 50 then something is really, really wrong.
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01-02-2016, 04:05 AMElazuThis is certainly true, but that doesn't mean we should be fine with it or even encourage bad play, like this community loves to do.Quote:
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01-02-2016, 04:18 AMSkivvyYup. We totally want and encourage people to be lazy and bad.Quote:
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01-02-2016, 04:20 AMNinster
I know this is a divisive topic, but I really want to say that FF Log site is really disturbing to me. I don't remember anyone saying they were parsing one of my Void Ark runs, but there I am in a Bard I'm just trying to gear up. As disappointed as I am in my parse, I'm even less thrilled that I had no idea I was being parsed. So I'm definitely FOR an in-game parser if only to keep from being surprised like this.
On the topic at hand, the margin for poor DPS varies from instance to instance. Just because it's a "leveling dungeon" doesn't mean that this isn't a problem. Not only is there the add phase for the last boss of the Aery, bosses in Vault require DPS to be on top of their game, Bismarck Hard, even old dungeons and trials such as Stone Vigil, Aurum Vale, and Amdapor Keep Hard can press DPS at times.
That being said, all the tools in the world won't help people in certain mindsets. If people want to troll or just won't listen, then all you can do is kick and move on. Even at my laziest I try to at least use some basic rotations, even if I don't feel like using Raging Strikes or Blood for Blood every time they're off cooldown. I'm also never in any rush to clear a dungeon. If I don't have the time, I don't queue, simple as that. Patience goes a long way towards helping dungeon runs. Maybe I'm just too chill or something, but I don't really notice this as being a problem in the majority of the runs I've been in. -
01-02-2016, 04:25 AMPinkie_PieYes I did explain and in the end his healer friend only just attacked me telling me "just dps and not worry about other people" while he bounced around, not using his rook turret, wildfire, head graze, RF, and quick reload. We were at the end of the boss my friend and I, to leave and do it again would have been a waste of 29 minutes cause it took that long with wipes. My attitude changed due from all the bashing going from frustrated angry to emotionally exhausted.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph
My frustrating only got worse when I entered void ark, ever wiped on the first boss doing the bubble aoe phase? I did, ever see dps just afk auto attacking? I was seeing it, 5 were doing it, I still remember what class their were like the monk with no gl stacks. It was the longest void ark run I have ever ran and I can't fully pre-made an alliance, let alone get a full group of people for it on balmung.
I also I play on a ps4, not a computer so I can't install a dps meter, I get told by my friend I went in with.