I'm more than in agreement with that, don't get me wrong! But when it comes to old content, when people who are ahead don't really bother with scob pugs and learning parties, I can see where they are coming from. What you described would apply to those who are doing the current tier, but not really with the old one. People get annoyed, trash talk, mock... all that because it's old content, and because it's old it should be ''easy''.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall
Now, the nerfs were overdone, that I concede. However I saw the echo coming, and reasonable.
So Second Coil has been destroyed
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11-18-2014, 06:52 PMMitracia
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11-18-2014, 06:52 PMRemilia_NightfallQuote:
Originally Posted by Dashuto
Hey, I understand what you mean. Playing on PS3 indeed sucks, I can grant you that. While this might be a solid reason, I don't think that it's the main reason for most. The main complaint I see is not "but but I play on PS3", but rather "but but, I can't play 235258 hours a week and I don't have a static / FC!".
Concerning the other issue you mentioned, well, being slow or anxious or panicky can all be fixed with practice. Unless they're pathological conditions. In that case you fall into the "not having normal eye-hand coordination", as I mentioned earlier. Still, I hardly believe this applies to the majority of players stuck at T5.
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What do you mean, "leave"? The fact you can't clear Coil with them does not mean you have to "leave" them. o_O If you mean "would you not bring them in Coil" then no, I would not. This does not mean they would no longer be my friends. I don't see how those two things are related.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashuto
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11-18-2014, 06:53 PMKuwagamibecause no matter how hard you try, you can't be as good as some others. The limit is different for each one of us, but it's here for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall
also, you're being really blind to see problems with bouquet (your example). Last time my group went in T6 for training (we started really late), we got killed by it even before it appeared on screen (be it the pollen thing on screen or cast bar). the order was death > cast bar > reset of the boss > pollen thing on screen. Thanks a lot lag, we owe you one. -
11-18-2014, 06:53 PMDashutoI am sorry, I didn't actually expect a reply like this, though I should remind myself it is the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by RinKaen
I don't think you should insinuating people were your friends if you would do that to them.
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11-18-2014, 06:53 PMBlaiseArathWith friends like this...Quote:
Originally Posted by RinKaen
Further and detached from said quote, Savage Coil isn't nerfed, and if thats too hard than well, hypocrisy. -
11-18-2014, 06:54 PMViolyreI'm perfectly happy knowing I'll never be the very best, like no one ever was. If I cared, I know how to run a FC and have the tolerance to train my team. I have experience running WoW content when said content was progression. Why do I need to be as good as others if I want to have FUN? Stress was a major factor in why anytime I join a FC, guild, whatever, the second line I say is "if you ever decide to do endgame, please don't make me a leader." I just want to relax and be a normal person, neither casual or hardcore, but someone who can lead a group effectively to a goal, whether that goal be a low level duty roulette where I make sure a new person knows the fight, or someone that can give advice on how to handle a scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall
Your fun is pushing yourself to the limits of your abilities, my fun is cursing at that stupid plant with knockback in Toto-rak -
11-18-2014, 06:59 PMDashutoThe example prodived is someone made a static, and would be abandoning it to proceed, yes. You state you wouldn't "bring them" but that is dressing up the exact same thing: dumping your allies for personal gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall
I'm sorry the concept of being a decent person is foreign and complicated to many in this thread. I hope you all enjoy all of your super leet wins with the others who are willing to show no empathy towards others who aren't "on your level" and swarm like crazy with dissaproval when the content is finally made accessible to them. -
11-18-2014, 07:01 PMRemilia_NightfallFair enough. But this is what I've been saying for a while in this thread: I just don't understand how someone can be satisfied with easy stuff. I also acknowledged that people are different. This, however, does not take away my right to state how I see things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violyre
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11-18-2014, 07:02 PMExstalWhat I don't understand is that leaving the weak behind is nothing new. It happens in every single MMO in which the people who are not up to your skill level are replaced with people who are. Why is it such a big deal here? I really can't understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashuto
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11-18-2014, 07:04 PMDashutoI know, just look at the title of this thread!Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
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11-18-2014, 07:04 PMMitraciaGod... >.>Quote:
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That or the League of Legend community. I feel that the ff14 community is much more helpful/enjoyable ... unless I visit the forums. -
11-18-2014, 07:05 PMMerylxThis. Some groups have been clearing Second Coils for months, and will no doubt be up to their eyes in Second Coils gear. Most people will have greeded stuff; some will have no use for it, and some will have jobs capped across the board. I don't understand what the big deal is. Yes, the majority of people will never experience T6 - T8 like it was, but it isn't anything to really complain about. Perhaps one day SE will implement an "Original" or "Normal" difficulty of some sort - and you can experience the turns in their original state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niota
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11-18-2014, 07:05 PMRankinaBut I DO help them. For a few hundred K gil a win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashuto
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11-18-2014, 07:05 PMRemilia_NightfallWow, dude. Let's avoid personal insults, shall we? In my replies I only addressed the skill of players, I never once personally insulted anyone by saying they are not "decent people". I am sorry you feel the need to say those things to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashuto
And no, I would NEVER abandon my static. I would (and I have) removed players from it tho, when the majority of the group thought that it was not a good fit for whatever reason (skill or behavior, mostly). I don't see anything wrong with that. Unless the whole group has a very similar level of skill / commitment / social skills, the static is going to collapse sooner or later anyway. Trust me, this attitute is way more "empathic" than just going "let's all be BFF" by default. -
11-18-2014, 07:08 PMShneibelit is nothing new, but it still creep me out when ppl abandoned their so call friend for coil win or eventually kick them out and call the ppl they kick out : friend. Not to mention in this thread, they even say they will not bring their so call friend into coil because they are bad, so much for being "friend"Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
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11-18-2014, 07:08 PMRieze_Xeero
True Forums is such a meh!
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11-18-2014, 07:09 PMBlaiseArathits because not everyone has such a almost insane level detachment from concepts like friends, and I can't understand how this makes them whiny. Not wanting to leave behind a friend or a family member because they don't grasp the concepts as fast as you/the rest of the group isn't whiny or a new concept. Yes, I'd be lying if I said there aren't certain folks I would leave behind, but those I actually consider a friend? I'll say with them. I only truly enjoy multiplayer games because of friends, so I don't have any plans to leave them behind and risk having them quit, and me being alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
I play with my IRL brother, chances are unless he quits I'm going to try and get the wins with him, even if he doesnt grasp it as fast as me, I'm not just going to drop him like its hot and find some strangers who care about me only as far as my DPS number. Does this mean I'll miss out on some top content? Yah, probably, but that stuff isn't important to me, my idea of fun is simply a bit different than yours. And this doesn't make it whiny. -
11-18-2014, 07:09 PMRemilia_NightfallRight.Quote:
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Because "friendship" is defined by the skills in a mmo.
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11-18-2014, 07:09 PMViolyreThink outside the box. Instead of thinking "how can people be satisfied with easy stuff," think "why am I not satisfied with easy stuff?" Just a thing to try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall
We may have different opinions, but I'll always defend your right to have your own. I try to never force my beliefs on others, but I will say something to clear up anything or make people think from the other side. Sorry if it seemed an attack, it wasn't meant to be. -
11-18-2014, 07:10 PMDashutoThat is... somehow different to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall
I've made no personal insults, my addressing of "decent people" is to the thread at large. I'm sorry its difficult to understand that selling allies out for personal gain/glory is an amoral concept. -
11-18-2014, 07:11 PMZefiris
I imagine there will be complaint when there is continuation of Syrcus Tower and there has drop of Encrypted Tomestone and Carbontwine...
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11-18-2014, 07:11 PMExstalDon't paint me as the person who finds it fun to leave friends behind. I was simply stating it happens in every single MMO. Yet in this place people are so vehemently opposed to it rather than just dealing with it and moving on...or simply not doing the content until they can bring their friends up to their level.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaiseArath
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11-18-2014, 07:12 PMRemilia_NightfallIt's cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violyre
The reason I am not satisfied with easy stuff is quite simple - it's boring.
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11-18-2014, 07:13 PMBlaiseArathYou appear to have misunderstood that. The "Fun" part was directed at "Being the first to clear content", not the "Leave friends behind". An understandable miscommunication but all together one I hope i have cleared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
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11-18-2014, 07:14 PMRemilia_NightfallYes, it's different. If I am managing a static, it means I am trying to make other 7 people satisfied, not only myself. Managing a static is often bothersome, tiresome and frustrating. If i were in search of "personal gain / glory" I would have thrown in the towel ages ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashuto
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11-18-2014, 07:14 PMMarisela
Well atleast Turn 8 you can still got one shot if you don't know how to handle Ballistic Missle Mechanic. So I see most people will still be on Turn 8 for awhile. Turn 9, even with this Echo buff it will be like Turn 5 where only skills players be able to passed.
Turn 6 and Turn 7 However got a big nerf. It was already doable before, now with echo buff and instant shot mechanic is gone, pretty much even doable in Duty Finder. -
11-18-2014, 07:14 PMannihilator2k7You can wipe in T1, I fail to see your point. But I'm stupid, so it's okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall
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11-18-2014, 07:14 PMKirohBut you can never really lose, no matter how much you die, no matter how many times you fail you can never "lose" the game. You just have to retry as many times as it takes you to "win".Quote:
Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall
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11-18-2014, 07:15 PMMuzettaThe ones who do that are just outright stupid. Why? Because we all know World of Darkness is gonna have the Ironworks upgrade items when we get there anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zefiris
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11-18-2014, 07:18 PMViolyreAnd your answer to that question can be used for the original question! Many people do find the tediousness of finding a group and making sure everyone knows what to do and spending hours on end to make failed attempts is something they'd say is boring! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall
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11-18-2014, 07:19 PMvp_cmc
My static cleared t9 yesterday, the last day before these nerfs. And we were so happy that we managed to make this in time. Now imagine, what our feelings will be if we clear it today with echo (and having a feeling, that we did this because of echo actually)? Yay, but not much...
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11-18-2014, 07:20 PMBastilaSome people, like me, enjoy doing the fights in SCoB and with some of these nerfs the fights could turn into a snoozefest. I am glad they didn't remove any mechanics in t9 because I don't want my favourite fight in the game to become boring.Quote:
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11-18-2014, 07:21 PMdaiquentyn
they should get rid of golems in t9 that sh*t was BS :\
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11-18-2014, 07:23 PMEphier
These fools who be complaining about nerfs to coil be the sames ones who be like I cannot find XXX job to replace my XXX who just left our static! SE please! Then, they nerf SCoB add upgrade mats to Syrcus Tower (god I will enjoy the QQ when World of Darkness comes out) to help players to the new tier of raiding/endgame, and people still whine. They are expanding your possible pool of raiders, and I swear the first response that went through your head was probably, "NO THEY JUST ADDING BADDIES TO IT!". Yes they are bad, but whats stopping you from making them good. My BLM was terrible in 2.0 and when I say terrible I mean f***in terrible. 2.4 he's a monster and loyal to the static. I'd rather pick up a loyal baddie and train them, then get some flakey world first hungry player who already has skills.
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11-18-2014, 07:26 PMAdamFyi
So yeah, uh, servers are up. Y'all can go check out the second coil now. :)
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11-18-2014, 07:29 PMRemilia_NightfallYeah well, that's why they are games. Because you can retry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
This does not change the fact that you reach a point where you can hardly fail at something if it becomes too easy - thus, making it impossible to fail unless external influence not related to your skills is involved.
But in general I agree with your statement: "you just have to retry as many times as it takes you to win", which usually means that you will get better at every try, until your skills will reach a high enough level to clear the content. As I have already said, it's a matter of effort. Dumbing down the difficulty is just an insult to the intelligence of players - this is why I don't understand how people can be happy when nerfs happen (unless the pre-nerf version of something was making the fight literally unbeatable, which is not the case currently).
SE is literally saying that you are bad and you need an easier version if you wish to progress.
There are different kinds of "boring". One thing is finding a challenge so trivial that it's hardly fun or satisfying to overcome it - another thing is being "bored" (I'd say "frustrated" is a better term for it, tho) by other people's failures. I can relate to that, but as I said in another reply: never surrender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violyre
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11-18-2014, 07:30 PMEmpressia
Good naw i can do my vanity runs without waiting for static or friends lol
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11-18-2014, 07:35 PMViolyreOff topic, but...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashuto
Your name sounds familiar...did you ever have a Castrum Meridianum run where there was a new MNK that fell behind and got lost, some jerk kept insulting said MNK for not being able to read their uncompleted map, and then stayed for a bit after with the MNK to show them a few things like using the cannons? -
11-18-2014, 07:36 PMLunarCain
I feel the OP is very insulting.
There are many Casual players who have tried so many times to Pass T5 and have failed.
Some continue, few passed, Many gave up.
I support SE Decision to allows the Second Coil in DF so they may progress.
I don't see any damage in this.
So OP, You better NOT post this kind of thread and title because you are INSULTING casual gamers!!!! -
11-18-2014, 07:36 PMTyrnHope you have better luck than me, around 20 T9 kills later and I still haven't seen a single one of the four items I've been missing drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empressia