which, btw, gives players who aren't paying attention the illusion that i'm zomg overpowered healer! because i slipped through their fingers like Batman and didn't die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gor
p.s.: yea i replied to myself ... sue me
Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed
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09-25-2014, 02:35 AMGor
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09-25-2014, 03:12 AMZyphioneYou should make guide on how to play SCH in many situation, take video clip to show how you escape and teach many your ways. That way you teach many player how to play healer and frontline become popular again! Maybe will have legacy also since all player read your thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gor
They need light in the darkness! -
09-25-2014, 03:24 AMDivinemightAt least you are better off that that Pre3vial guy. You are just having hard time to get out that grief over Cleric Stance nerf. That guy is acutally using either an alt char or alt account to necro all his dead threads just to preach his non senses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gor
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09-25-2014, 01:54 PMNekomataempusinThank you for reminding me of you. I see you in a lot of the forums defending this decision. Are you a healer? If not, I advise you stop talking. You're a BRD, one of the many classes that's able to INTERRUPT our casts. Again, re-read my post, because once we use our PvP skill up, then that's it. Sorry but most of us do not like to be your punching bag. Why are all these people who don't play heals preaching about how easy it is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zyphione
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09-25-2014, 02:45 PMDivinemightHa ha, this is so classicQuote:
Originally Posted by Nekomataempusin
Pretty bad at it too. You better check his profile first before you throw that out. I am seeing he has a white Mage. If you want to attack me, I am start to playing BLM on the Frontline too. Scholar has egi that scaled off master's gear and function with around 70% of master's healing ability. I also start to see a lot of non tunnel vision Paladins actively protecting the healer with stuns.Quote:
1. Devs listen to carebears
2. Healer haters
3. You dont have an arguement because you havent try healer
4. You are all whinners
5. Learn to play.
If you are end in a situation in your scenario, it usually mean your team is wiped and you are just going to die like rest of jobs when out numbered. There are many you tube videos of good healer pov, watch it. This is not 1990s where you can say anything you want on the forum without providing reference.
I have played around 700 Frontlines by now and I am not buying any story that portraying all Paladin players are tunnel visioned gimped dps wannabe that won't assist when healer is in trouble. There are more than enough of good Paladins on the Frontline and stop dirt their name just because you are being salty.
You don't like bard, but bard is also just a punch bag in front of Monk and Dragoon, what makes you so special? My warrior's throw weapon is 300 per hit when Bard only did like 60 to 120 on me, do you think they like that too? It I a all doe the game balance. -
09-25-2014, 03:01 PMZyphioneI think is waste time to reply to such rude post but I reply to be polite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekomataempusin
Your post very misinform and misdirect? I think you are only person so far who tell me I defend such decision. :confused:
Very long to explain so I summarize for you?
Underline is very strange saying, especially if said person do not know you. :rolleyes:
Italic is misinterpreted assumption.
1st and 2nd Bold is you ask question and answer yourself? Very silly.
Last Bold is ignorant saying.
Maybe your opinion is I do not talk because I do not play healer?
Maybe if you more inform and brought up to be less rude when posting then maybe you don't make silly assumption like this post. :D
You seem to be very serious individual! Replying in such manner I mean.
But serious individual always straighten fact out before talk.
For person who want to attack people on forum, why you do exactly what Divine say in quote bolded above and make yourself look even more silly? -
09-25-2014, 03:35 PMNekomataempusinLet's see, I clicked on his name, and his profile was blank. I tried searching his name on the Lodestone, and nothing. How can you prove that he is a healer? Furthermore, clicking on your name results in the same. If you have "video" evidence then show it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
Every time I see your name lately in these forums, you are trying to pick apart the people who are upset with their poor, very poor decision making skills. I believe Kisada sums the situation up very eloquently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zyphione
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...n-of-FFXIV-PVP
Also, if you play on JP servers like I believe I saw you mention, then why are you in the NA forums? From my understanding this whole "Alliance of WHM" spamming Holy was more a problem on JP servers. I've not once seen that in Frontlines. -
09-25-2014, 04:06 PMZyphioneI refuse to bargain with a sophist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekomataempusin
For person who is reminded of me and imply he read my post.. you surprisingly not knowledgeable. I am more surprise you see my JP post but did not see my reason why I post here? :rolleyes:
Then say 'my understanding' when really you have no understanding of my post?
This what happens when people cherrypick sentence to read while fail miserably to consider the whole. If you against SqE and is part of 'rebellion' and behave this way, then no wonder no one listen to you and why you do not know reasons thing happen.
Should take from Gor example to point out and address everything instead of cherrypick and try to make point.
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09-25-2014, 04:55 PMNekomataempusinI'm not here to argue philosophies with you. The point is this had an immediate effect on the healers, but it's going to affect everyone else very soon. There is no fun in being ganged up on in Frontlines and not being able to defend oneself. What happens when no one is gonna heal? Do you think SMN will put up with being asked to use Physic in place of the crippled SCH? Your hubris clearly shows where you really stand on this issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zyphione
And us arguing against this clearly lazy and terrible idea does not make us the bad people here. It was SE pandering to the idiot hordes that think something is "too hard" when they were clearly not experienced. They need to actually look into an issue and see where the problem really is rather than crippling the people who are not using CS in isolated incidents to spam Holy on Flags.
Regardless, this will just be another divine anecdotal comedy in the pantheon of SE's poor implementation of PvP as a whole. -
09-25-2014, 06:34 PMMutemutt
So, like anyone that's interested in the balance of pvp, I spent most of the opening days of the patch trying out healing with the cleric stance nerf, and I have to say, it's not really a big deal. And yes, I played healers before nerf as well (mostly as sch too, which I figured would be much more affected by this change). The only down side is healer vs healer, 1v1 is even more of a tickle fight. To be honest, I think this change has only made bringing dps more important (though I imagine that an all healer group could still camp a flag pretty well using sch knockbacks and lots of HoTs...), since healer dps is so pitiful.
As for the whole, "it lowers the skill cap"/ "makes healing boring" thing... was cleric stance even that difficult to use? I never had that much trouble; I guess I was doing something wrong. It felt like it only really gets used when there's very little incoming damage to worry about, which essentially means the enemy had already lost. Can a dps take you from 100% to 0% in 5 seconds (without an lb, of course)? That's an honest question; I haven't had that ever happen to me, nor have I ever done it to another healer. It's for that reason that that healing reduction feels like it's not even there. Anytime I'd need to heal, I'd never be in that stance or I'd just use a heal that ignores that penalty. So, in the end, it doesn't feel like cleric stance added that much to the experience. I think being chased around yet still living, firing off heals, and being utterly annoying is the main draws of healing in pvp -
09-25-2014, 07:36 PMZyphioneI would say you enjoy healer for the experience it rewards? Nice to see 1 person be honest and still enjoy playing healer class!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutemutt
Over time I have grown thick skin to many who say "change is end of the world" theory or that SqE ruin class because remove stance and they do not want to play PVP any more. Player seem to be able to turn anything into argument even if it make no sense, discussion on stance have been overdone and every reason we see before just being recycle now by future poster so most people tired of repeating self and do not reply as much?
To reply to question you have:
DPS can not kill healer in 5 second even if MRD, real time, because skill CD is 2.5s?
Maybe he use 2 skill but most healer have 5000HP and Regen or SCH shield so not possible to kill before stance switch. DRG use LB1 before and I survive with 4100HP with critical SCH shield buff but without stoneskin. -
09-25-2014, 09:04 PMDivinemightType FF14 Healer Frontline on YouTube search section isn't that hard. I have no obligation to help you. I posted two videos either in this thread or other thread, look it up yourself, don't expect people to hand you stuff on a silver plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekomataempusin
Ps. Information beside my avatar means nothing. There is no Windust in FF14 :rolleyes: I am pretty sure I am in black Mage set when I logged, but my avatar is showing Paladin
His profile
Gladiator 50 0 / 0 Pugilist 50 0 / 0
Marauder 50 0 / 0 Lancer 50 0 / 0
Archer 50 0 / 0
Conjurer 50 0 / 0 Thaumaturge 26 2029 / 109800
Arcanist 25 7787 / 95200
Your profile
Gladiator - - / - Pugilist 25 86453 / 95200
Marauder - - / - Lancer 15 9994 / 30500
Archer 39 90549 / 304900
Conjurer 50 0 / 0 Thaumaturge 32 62404 / 189600
Arcanist 50 0 / 0
Self explanatory. Good thing that you are stating to lvling bard, you will get to see how fragile they are when they don't have teammates to cover them on the Frontline.
That post utterly didn't escape 5 points I have listed, all he did is just make it super long. It's contents lack of insighs, you can find similar posts on WoW Fourm everyday. You like it because you are his target audience and his words are what you are looking for. Your judgement is clouded.Quote:
Every time I see your name lately in these forums, you are trying to pick apart the people who are upset with their poor, very poor decision making skills. I believe Kisada sums the situation up very eloquently.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...n-of-FFXIV-PVP
Do you know how many players are playing On EURO servers but post here? Go check forum rules. Fourm is regulated by the language you use, not where you to play?Quote:
Also, if you play on JP servers like I believe I saw you mention, then why are you in the NA forums? From my understanding this whole "Alliance of WHM" spamming Holy was more a problem on JP servers. I've not once seen that in Frontlines
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09-25-2014, 09:49 PMNekomataempusinAwfully presumptuous of you to assume things about him. Furthermore, I really do not care what your elitist views are. This was a bad decision on SE's part bottom line. They can't fix something by crippling a class. That skill is obtained very early in CNJ, meaning you're supposed to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
A SCH is important in many ways, due to the fact that it can DPS and Heal. That's what makes it a valuable support member of the team. Taking away a critical chunk of their DPS output weakens them to the point of being a pale imitation of a SMN. Even with Eos, their heal output is still under par with WHM. By removing CS to prevent the "holy spam", they ended up putting all the SCHs in PvP to the guillotine. It only takes a few shitty people to ruin it for everyone else.
Also, I've seen PLENTY of BRDs survive very well on their own. -
09-25-2014, 10:25 PMHailieYou are not suppose to make any statements! you are not suppose to disagree with what SE did to Cleric stance! you are not suppose to post your opinion!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekomataempusin
most of all you are not suppose to disagree with this person!you are suppose to let him FORCE FEED what he wants you to believe! and what he says..Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
How dare you have your own opinion and thoughts about CLERIC STANCE *super sarcasm*
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09-25-2014, 10:46 PMFyceYes, in PvE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekomataempusin
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09-25-2014, 10:57 PMHailieIf that's the case then every skill in any class/job is suppose to only be used in PVE and not PVP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fyce
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09-25-2014, 11:38 PMFyceYes, but only if you assume that every PvE skill of every class is unbalanced and does not fit in a PvP environment... which is obviously not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hailie
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09-26-2014, 12:03 AMDivinemightFirst of all, you are the one being presumpteous of assume he doesnt. Second, by using your logic, it is true that there is no evidence to whether he has played White Mage or not, but one thing I can be ceratain: you are lacking insights for other jobs. Scholar and Summoners are probably only two jobs you have ever played and you are tunnel visioned and unable to see from other jobs' perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekomataempusin
As a counter argument to your last statement, in this game where they are using two set of actions for PvP and PvE; they can always can come back to say Cleric Stance is mean for PvE only. All the PvP actions are unaviable to PvE and a lot of PvE players really want these PvP actions. I bet all PvE Dragoon and Monk have been dreaming about it. It does seems reasonable to keep a set of PvE only skills. You can try to prove me that I am wrong.
You still can function as usual, but it is just not as pushy as in 2.35. Your EOS arugment is kinda weired. When WHM got shut down, they can only rely on regen. Your EOS is still function with 70% of your potential. This is where my arguemnt based on:Quote:
A SCH is important in many ways, due to the fact that it can DPS and Heal. That's what makes it a valuable support member of the team. Taking away a critical chunk of their DPS output weakens them to the point of being a pale imitation of a SMN. Even with Eos, their heal output is still under par with WHM. By removing CS to prevent the "holy spam", they ended up putting all the SCHs in PvP to the guillotine. It only takes a few shitty people to ruin it for everyone else.
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/ff14eotan...3/033e6a33.jpg
This is not 1990s, you need reference to backup your arugment. A Scholar with MIND setup and MIND gear without Cleric Stance is able to output 80% of a SMN (even this SMN maybe bad) did with just dots. You are still going to funciton as usual.
If this is the way you want to play, there are more healers that is fine with Cleric Stance removal and their number didnt change much post 2.38.Quote:
Also, I've seen PLENTY of BRDs survive very well on their own.
No one cares about you keep griefing about 2.38, no one cares. Your biggest issue is to tell others to shut up. This is a discussion fourm for people to show their opinion, agree or disagree. Provide a good argument to show that you are correct isntead. -
09-26-2014, 12:08 AMDivinemightLet's see....Quote:
Originally Posted by Hailie
Provoke is PvE only.
Protect is PvE only. (There is animation but it doesnt work, confirmed by CM)
All defense value related actions are PvE only. (Also confirmed by CM)
Yes, there are a lot of PvE only actions.
Paladins pretty much much being guttered to a level that they can barely function as a tank. I didnt see them come up here and complain that it is game breaking.
Oh by the way, you need to be put a little more effort with scarcsm. It is hard to get it because we dont get to see your facial expression and your tone when you are doing it. -
09-26-2014, 12:45 AMHailieFixedQuote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
Mhhmm Riiiiggghtt no effort needed I'm sure YOU didn't get the sarcasm. ^_^ -
09-26-2014, 12:48 AMHailieI didn't make a *complaint* I made a statementQuote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
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09-26-2014, 12:50 AMDivinemight
Grudge?
I also simply list all PvE only actions and present a fact that Paladins didnt complain about being guttered. Oh that is right, it is not the job i am playing any way, who cares. :rolleyes: (Sacarstic)
You know, if you are really care and find it is unresaonble for Cleric Stance is disabled. You can always voice yourself in open letter. Go ahead and ask him the question. He seems willing to answer all the questions playerbase throwing at him. Raise your concern and it is more productive, you know?
I would rather to see this question being ask instead of that Open PvP one when you should knew majority of FF14 playerbase is heavily PvE. -
09-26-2014, 01:08 AMHailieHe totally made an assumption because he said this..Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekomataempusin
Let me clear up your assumption He has played just about every class in FL and WD he clearly has some insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
Then you turn right around and say this...
Like I have said before.. you contradict yourself in a lot of your posting, you refuse to accept other peoples opinion if they don't agree with yoursQuote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
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09-26-2014, 01:10 AMHailieI said I didn't agree that they did away with CS in pvp completely... meaning It would have been nice if they had come up with another alternative besides removing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
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09-26-2014, 01:43 AMMutemutt
That sounds like a complaint to me... I mean, I get that people want to avoid the icky sounding word, complaint, but still...
I'm not mad that they just chose to remove CS altogether either. But, if I were to suggest an alternative, I would say up the cooldown to 3-5 minutes, dismiss and lock access to both fairies, and lock away lustrate while in cleric stance (not really sure about benediction since it's on a 5 min timer anyway). Essentially, if a healer wants to dps, they should give up most of what makes them an effective healer and have a time frame that's realistically punishable by the opponent. Don't really think people would like that though (plus it doesn't really address those full whm parties, though I guess nerf on holy dmg in pvp would be simple enough). I don't know, seems like just removing the move altogether was just a simpler solution to the problem -
09-26-2014, 02:04 AMDivinemight/sighQuote:
Originally Posted by Hailie
I was wondering why you are going all over on me. Oh, right, my comment about Kisada's post. I dont know him so all I can see is based of what he said in his post. This is his first point:
Where is his proof of actual decline of healers on the Frontline? Is it by the number of people saying that they are quitting healer on this fourm?Quote:
1. If you keep interfering with players and their roles, eventually they will lose trust in you and stop playing those roles.
Also, who is not vulnerable to class adjustment? What is the reason Blizzard keep throwing hotfixes at World of Warcraft?
Where is the insight in this? Where is his evidence? Didnt he ingored the fact that lead producer is also playing the Frontline and Yoship has access to the data and he doesnt?Quote:
SE relies upon misguided complaints from players to make very harsh changes to the PVP environment.
His last point is pretty much ranting about the Frontline strcuture and Wolf Den queue time. Everyone knows that Malestorm got turtled because of high winning ratio in first month. What can i learn from his post?
Do I looks like I am not shocked? What was my original idea? To increase the penalty of healing reduction only. Again, there is open letter, take the opportunity and raise your question there is more progressive. I am interesting in their reason of make it a PvE only action as well.Quote:
I said I didn't agree that they did away with CS in pvp completely... meaning It would have been nice if they had come up with another alternative besides removing it.
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09-26-2014, 02:32 AMZyphioneVery strange you spend many thread saying there is no point talking to Divine but are the only person to tie 2-3 reply toward him/her in row.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hailie
If you want Divine to yourself then better to just say, when friendship system come out then maybe both can be happy together on 2 person chocobo. :cool: I think real problem in such strong relationship is who is paying for house.
Divine did not make assumption yet of me since I am sure all my posts have been read. Why must all post be on such personal level? Many reveal weakness like they being attacked or disadvantaged by developer as if developer went out of his way to attack you by remove stance.
So far nothing but hypocrites and hypothetical?
Label Divine as cannot accept opinion when in reality all Divine trying to do is explain and give reason why could have been remove and why stance could be seen as overpower. The only reply receive is that Divine force people to conform to personal view?
If this is case then is good thing forum is not meant for anyone but those who enjoy complaining about game and game changes without use of statistic evidence. Can not even accept that Fyce say stance is meant for PvE? Must make unintelligent comment to remove all skill? Very nice to know such information of your personality. ;)
In recent post for stance remove, all the people who want to keep stance say should change the skill or that they read all reply? If read all reply then should know why stance was remove and not change.
I think many take producer for an idiot? I am sure he already consider modifying stance instead of remove, but why did he remove instead of modify? If such question escape you then maybe you have other problem to consider.
It was simpler solution because stance can not be change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutemutt
Since your 2nd post in this forum? I explain for you if that is fine? Please excuse me if I seem rude by doing this.
Stance seem to be made in such way that it:
- Convert all MND value into INT (absolute)
- Increase total damage by 10% after convert (general)
- Reduce heal by 20% after convert (general)
Most damage and heal skill data will be base on stat formula?
1/4591*(v/x+c)/(5/g+h) +WD value
This is example, where v/x/c/g/h are stat variable and base on weapon damage.
If understanding correct, stance is AB value and do not have selective change before skill is use.. Heal and Damage value become compile collective data set? No individually modified before compile into set data value before conversion occur.
Conversion only change 2 set of value with each other and do not modify.
If skill is truly build this way then modifying is not possible and skill need to be redone entirely, which is why I think was remove. Bar which would affect PVE as there is no real value to modify as conversion and facet of skill is base overall absolute compiled values, they are only switch.
There is no formula for stance? Therefore skill can not be change the way many say it should. So far only PVP change made is removal of ability like AOE slow, so factor removal is possible but not factor modifications? I do not know, only developer know because they have access to mainframe and database file.. and they choose to remove stance.
Because PVP not initially inside of game and was add later, stance have long been proven after to be overpower just by gearwork of skill and how it twist character stat value to turn healer into DPS class without burst factor outside of Ruin II spam. It was not skill meant for PVP and more for leveling or PVE, therefore was remove. Gearwork of skill not meant to be modify, therefore was not modify.
Am I right to say this?
Even if this is dispute, no one will know why was remove then. -
09-26-2014, 04:03 AMHollowed
The reason people flipped out about healers is not that they are OP (though sch did need a little gimp) its the mindset these bad players are in, they think a healer is weak and defenseless on their own so when they go after one and get their butt kicked they flip out cause a "weak" class like a healer shouldn't be able to kill them alone. Its not that healers were zamgOP its the mindset that portion of the community had. Give the fairy cleric stance healing debuff when the master has it on, maybe even remove ruin II from sch during PVP, gimp healer stacking pow problem solved; but SE took the lazy route, when in doubt take it out. P.S. Healer sucks outside a premade pt now, big time, at least WHM does. My main was WHM and I will never come that class to frontlines with the way it is now.
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09-26-2014, 04:41 AMGor^ this. the hate is real.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollowed
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09-26-2014, 04:45 AMsammy150105This sucks!
So we're just supposed to stand around and spam cure......sounds great!! T_T
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09-26-2014, 05:14 AMHailieYep Divine and I go back and forth in our post responding to each other he has done the same to me ...there are others who feel the same way.. I know some that refuse to even bother reading his postQuote:
Originally Posted by Zyphione
I did say it I posted directly to him alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by Zyphione
Huh? Never felt like it was an attacked I just didn't agree it was removed all togetherQuote:
Originally Posted by Zyphione
Yep Divine CAN NOT accept others opinion when they don't agree with his.. he comes off very Elitist, condescending, he makes assumptions about things or people he shouldn't he also shouldn't try to force his views onQuote:
Originally Posted by Zyphione
others.. people have the right to NOT agree
I NEVER made a comment to remove all skills! read further down to what I actually said... whose the 1 making unintelligent comments now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zyphione
The comment Fyce respond toQuote:
Originally Posted by Nekomataempusin
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Originally Posted by Fyce
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Originally Posted by Hailie
When Fyce made his point I understood so I didn't bother respondingQuote:
Originally Posted by Fyce
Just because hes the producer who makes these types of decisions to modify or make changes doesn't mean I have to like it or agree with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zyphione
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09-26-2014, 05:18 AMGori know! doesn't it sound exciting!!! makes me wanna totally roll dat class!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by sammy150105
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09-26-2014, 06:23 AMDivinemightPlease allow me to use this pic to express my current feeling.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hailie
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VaogUfvcBI...94707730_n.jpg
Which point you dont get it? I accept an arguemnt with solid reference, not something that can be category into the following fives:
I have provided videos and dps chart to breakdown Scholar's performance to support my arugments. Do I see any solid reference ever given except repeating 5 points list above?Quote:
1. Devs listen to carebears
2. Healer haters
3. You dont have an arguement because you havent try healer
4. You are all whinners
5. Learn to play.
Elitism? Pretty sure I am not the one who are calling people carebear or tell people to learn to play. I am sharing information to help players getting better. If you failed to see that or choose to ignore due to your own little grudge. Your problem, your lost.
Gor answered the question. I think he agreed that Cleric Stance need a nerf instead of being removed. What about you? Why do you need 100% functional Cleric Stance as a healer if you have no intention to playing it as a DPS role? You choose to remain silent when being asked at that thread before 2.35. How about provide a reason why?
You really dont like the the way of Cleric Stance being removed. Why dont you take an action by participating in the next open letter and raise your concern? Please dont dodge this one, give a straight answer, are you going to or you are not. (On second thought, you probably will try to dodge this one again, so nvm)
Let's face it. Yoship doesnt read English, he relies on English community mamanger to pass the information. If you have been providing positive feedbacks instead of repeating those 5 points, the community manager would do something by now. Your next in line option is produce open letter only, try to take an action and do something instead for a change (Audience is not you only, this paragraph is for all who disagree with Cleric Stance change). -
09-26-2014, 06:32 AMGor
why is this thread still going? we're just talkin about the same ish over and over again
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09-26-2014, 06:35 AMDivinemightI dont know, good question? For 5 stages of grief, I thought people would be at stage of Acceptance by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gor
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09-26-2014, 06:40 AMHailiesigh... I have already answered those questions in other post I am not going to repeat them again so you can feel better about yourself...Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
the 1-5 has been said to you from other people..not from meQuote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
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09-26-2014, 08:34 AMNimue
I think its quite horrible that they took cleric stance away but I can still do my fair share of dps without cleric stance aswell as healing my party when i need to. When soloing, my fairy gives me the upper hand so if your not a whm my super duper awesome sch can still woop up on your little scrawny dps because even though they took half my dps ability away I still have an extra healer in my pocket so while you get hp drain i get hp given to me. In my opinion this was a bad call by SE, when I am with my team and we are holding an area I will heal my team to win the fight , sometimes there are too many healers on both teams and someone has to dps or we just pvp for like 10 minutes with no end in site ( which is awesome! but someone needs to win). Also when i am on the team to take the middle area (team b usually) I use my dps ablity more then my healing because many times the party is spread out too far for me to even heal everyone. Poor decision from SE!
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09-26-2014, 08:52 AMZyphioneI was sure I was only one who had doubt about reading English well? But after see this my doubt removed. It seem real problem is you misunderstand or do not clarify before typing post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hailie
I explain to you so you see clearer, please excuse if rude.
You miss all point I make and even do not understand my context but you reply still? Maybe next time better to clarify before make such way to reply.
I do not say you feel attacked? I was sure mention that "many feel this way" but do not know why you single self out? Is because I quote you at start of post?
This what I mean by you do not understand context of post. If you not feeling attack then do not need to say "i do not feel attack", if you say such thing then maybe you really feel that way. :rolleyes:
Everyone disagree with each other but is not normal disagreement. Is disagree with sake to argue until people set in your way. Divine giving example and you give hypotheticals? That is all post I see from you is you draw situation but do not give any way to confirm.
No data.
Is too easy to for example say "MRD critical me 4000HP!" but no real proof of such thing make it hard to see your comment as anything beside repetitive complaining. Most of your comment in many thread is illustrate situation, maybe this is why Divine and you no agreement on anything?
Would not be such blaring issue if you did not pick more than 1 thread to fight with him/her.
This is call implied reasoning. Facet of logical consequence? Is your way of say "if thats case that all skill like stance then every skill also suppose to only be use in pve and not pvp" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hailie
Am I right to say this?
But reason I say is unintelligent is because stance can not be compared to regular skill. If you read my reply instead of cherrypick, you would see my reasoning, where and why. You ask me who is make the unintelligent comment now? Still you, because you never read past reply fully or you fail when understand what I reference. :p
If you really understand stance can not be compare then you would not have made such statement in latest reply to me.
You say understand Fyce post so never reply to him?
I use his same logic in my previous post but you still reply to me about it? In reality you never truly understand then. If not, would not have make such mistake.
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Originally Posted by Fyce
If you understand as you say you do, you would not have reply to this at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zyphione
This is child's game you playing? Not reading people reply and trying to think you understand before clarify anything? Would not be better for you ask me "why you say is unintelligent?" first before shoot snide remark?
Your wheel turning backwards. :rolleyes:
You do not watch live letter broadcast? Producer understand PVP people unhappiness but he ask us to give him time to work on thing. Seem you very impatient? Maybe if understand thing better then will not feel this way? I do not know, but behavior of constantly say "developer this" and "developer that" even after having him say these word, betray your own word.
There is limit to how far voice opinion will go before turn into complain or tantrum.
Yes, you do not need to agree.
You do not need to like.
But repeating behavior in more than this thread toward Divine is very silly. Your reply have always been same with no new information and more than 1 thread of such thing.
I think is larger problem any person can be so repetitive and rude in more than 1 thread and try to pass off as acceptable behavior by saying you do not have to like decisions made by developers of the game? Excessive and repetitive complaining look like suffering victimization from change. :rolleyes:
Please sort out thoughts if plan to quote reply to me, it would be very tiring if I have to breakdown thing you do not understand specially for you. Do not know what was so hard to understand without this post to clarify for you but I am not bother.
I hope explanation is clear enough however and maybe in future you can post something too that contribute instead of complain?
Thank you for well wishes! :o
http://i60.tinypic.com/16abp6d.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Gor
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09-26-2014, 09:15 AMHailieYES! I HAD cherry pick thru your posting! because I have a hard time understanding what you are saying NO OFFENSE but its because of your Broken English typing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zyphione
You keep posting all these looongg drawn out Essay's and Paragraphs its hard to keep up and hard to understand what your saying so I had to Sift thru that garbage and reply to what I thought you were trying to say.
Other then that I refuse to TRY to read anymore of your essays, paragraphs or w/e you want to call it. If i wanted to read a novel I'd go and get an Alice walker book... just saying...
Its not just a misunderstanding coming from me its coming from you as well -
09-26-2014, 12:17 PMDivinemightI hope this pic would resolve your doubt:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zyphione
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Not everyone can be reasoning. Lack of progressive and constructive argument is probably why community manager still not reacting at this point. If they want to be tapped in the grief, let them be. I have suggested them an option of taking this to the producer open letter, rest is up to them.