Raise/Ressurect too low

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Originally Posted by Dyne

Seriously, rank 14 is a slap on the face of everyone that worked hard to get it at rank 38. That's even easier than getting cure II. Rank 14 is like an hour or less of leveling. They should have made it rank 25 or rank 30.

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And getting to rank 14 took a HELL of a lot more time at release than it takes to get from 1-22 now. You think I liked how easy it was?

You still have a much better raise spell and you are that much closer to the r50 one

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

I don't think that there are many people who who "don't get the bigger issue", its just a different topic. It kind of annoys me that you are acting like you've been waiting all this time for someone to state the obvious cause you've been thinking it the whole time.

If you want people to complain how there is no re-raise then start a thread on it so it doesn't get overlooked in this one, you can write the whole thing in bright pink letters if you want.

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Thats true, but im predicting these topics to show up multiple times after the dungeons patch.
Im saving time & just recently (4seconds ago) just gave up hope on some people's thinking.

It's still valid to the "Raise" issue, these minor changes wont affect anything or the outcome at any level.
I personally didnt even felt i had much use for raise until i actually aquired it in-game.

Mobs in-game arnt that hard for a party to take down, nor during duo/solo play.
There's a reason we have the sleep spell, however some people just dont freakin know when to freakin stop attacking.

Hmm I would let it be the way as it is. If raise is at 14 or at 24. Doesnt change things much. You make lvl 14 one day. you will be 24- 3 or 4 days later if you will play. Day here and there, in the end everyone who will play mage will get the raise.

Close thread >_<

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Originally Posted by Laughlyn

Thats true, but im predicting these topics to show up multiple times after the dungeons patch.
Im saving time & just recently (4seconds ago) just gave up hope on some people's thinking.

It's still valid to the "Raise" issue, these minor changes wont affect anything or the outcome at any level.
I personally didnt even felt i had much use for raise until i actually aquired it in-game.

Mobs in-game arnt that hard for a party to take down, nor during duo/solo play.
There's a reason we have the sleep spell, however some people just dont freakin know when to freakin stop attacking.

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Thats why I cant wait till after the enemy, equipment, stat, and class revamping/rebalancing goes through.

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Originally Posted by Teknoman

Thats why I cant wait till after the enemy, equipment, stat, and class revamping/rebalancing goes through.

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For some reason i get the image of a "Donkey with a Carrot on a stick infront of it" -kind of image in my head.
Oddly enough it's been there for quite some time now lol

Anywayz, the carrot sure looks juicy, but the small bites ive been getting have had a dry taste, so im still hoping for a jucier bite at the end of it.

Anyone getting this... clap yourself on the shoulder & say good job *Insert your name here*.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

Why the hell would you put three on there? Put the best one you have. That's like putting Concussive Blow 1 and 2 on your bar when 2 is vastly superior. You put the best one on there and be done with it.

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Unlike abilities like Concussive Blow the raises are actually different from one another.

Raise/Ressurect sounds like they will have the same effect as using Return but with the effect that you can get up from where you're at rather then starting back the the beginning

Raise 2= 2.5 min recast and only 1 min weakness. Raise 2 allows you to have 1 target get back into the battle faster since in dungeons you will be pressed for time so you'll have to prioritize who should be getting the higher tiered raises.

Rebirth= 30 min recast no weakness. This abiilty allows you to basically give your tank a second life. A move like Rebirth would most likely be used if a tank gets knocked out fast and the mob goes out of control. With a 10 second casting time the tank will be back in action in no time allowing you to easily recover from a near fatal situation.

In the end unlike the other tier abilities you'll most likely want to have 3 or all of them tagged odd so you have options to raise at a fast pace. Though it would be nice if Raise 2/Rebirth or even just Raise 2 could be used by other mage classes rather then tag it all to Conjurer. These spells may make Conjurer's a staple to any raid/instance until players become more confident and find themselves not needing to rely on the raise spells anymore.

R14 is a good level. The lack of a raise for 38 levels was downright absurd, so I'm very happy to see them changing it. In my opinion, below 10 would be too low, and anything over 20 is too high. 14 is just right.

I haven't been happy with many of the changes they've made (auto-attack, removing physical levels, etc), but this one I am.

i just had to post because thats one of the DUMBEST thread topics i saw around here

whats the big deal with raise at 14? raise one is a mere band aid compared to its later upgrades, 5 min recast and you still are 5 minutes weakened thats just the right penalty for such a low skill but useful enough to help people out of sticky situations.

I bought my car for $20,000
Someone else bought a identical model for $19,000 end of the year.

When I found out, I went out of my way to be unhappy, even though at the time on paper it all made perfect sense for me.

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Yes, It's way tooooo easy

all the mages worked so hard to get it

if you want to add resurrect option for the low level gameplay, just implement the Phoenix Down

and Phoenix Down should raise KO'ed poeple with 1/8 HP to make it different from Raise/Resurrect

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Originally Posted by Dyne

Seriously, rank 14 is a slap on the face of everyone that worked hard to get it at rank 38. That's even easier than getting cure II. Rank 14 is like an hour or less of leveling. They should have made it rank 25 or rank 30.

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This one doesn't bother me. It's not like you are ever going to use it R14-25 anyway when you can rez at an Aetheryte. I've probably only used Raise like 5 times from 38-50.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Yes, It's way tooooo easy

all the mages worked so hard to get it

if you want to add resurrect option for the low level gameplay, just implement the Phoenix Down

and Phoenix Down should raise KO'ed poeple with 1/8 HP to make it different from Raise/Resurrect

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All that "hard work" (lol) the conjurers did is still rewarded with Raise II and Rebirth if you hit 50. I don't see where people are getting all bent out of shape. YOU GET MORE SPELLS NOW!

You still get Raise II at rank 38, so I don't see what the big deal is. So, it's not like your hard work would be for nothing.

I think the bigger issue here is that many of those who consider SE to be God stuck around thinking that there will be a special pot of gold at the rainbow for them and they will be rewarded for their undying loyalty. Many of them expected they going to be able to poke fingers at the new players and say "see I got everything and you got nothing!" and now it's looking like the people who will start from scratch will probably have a better experience than they did.

they said they try to make the classes more uniqueness

so they should lock the Raise and Resurrect to CON/THM

and implement Phoenix Down like I said in the post before

Having phoenix downs would be cool but balancing that would be a chore i bet they have to think about how many you can hold, how fast you can use, etc.

Implementing Phoenix Down:
- nice item to have for dungeons and everything else (just put 10 min reuse timer)
- gives alchemists means for profit
- gives gatherers maybe means for profit

Seems like a fantastic idea to me.

i could live with a CD on the use of "Phoenix Downs" playing as healer.
(if it has the ability to resurrect me if i should happen to die)

Or the point of having them will be useless, might aswell equip Raise or bring an actual Healer with you.

And i mean like this:

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In games where only one character is controlled, such as Dirge of Cerberus -Final Fantasy VII- and Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII-, instead of reviving a fallen character, the Phoenix Down casts Reraise on the player.

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Source: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Phoenix_Down

Seriously people - its a freakin raise spell not a relic weapon.

Not like a raise is gonna make or break a pt at this point or ever. Seriously gonna up the efficiency - no more waiting for mobs to die and having someone return and run all the way back to the pt.

I welcome it.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

and now it's looking like the people who will start from scratch will probably have a better experience than they did.

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I sure hope they do, or this community will never grow larger...

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Originally Posted by Naylia

I sure hope they do, or this community will never grow larger...

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^ :P If the game isn't tons better for new players joining at the ps3 release, all this work would have been for naught

Raise at 14 is perfect. It is only an R1, has a 1 min cooldown and takes 100 MP. The people who worked to 38 to get R1 now will have r2, which is even better. I don't get how you could think it is too low, especially with the rate at which people die in this game especially on new content. You see the freaking developers had a full party wipe in the video and they probably had decked out characters and the works.

Wooooo yaaa Flame wars! I get to finally cook all these burgers!

SE says one thing and it turns into a 20+ page argument.

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Originally Posted by Derrick

Wooooo yaaa Flame wars! I get to finally cook all these burgers!

SE says one thing and it turns into a 20+ page argument.

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Welcome to the official forums, where you lose brain cells per second.

raise is still gonna give you weakness so there nothing wrong with it being lv14.

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

^ :P If the game isn't tons better for new players joining at the ps3 release, all this work would have been for naught

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kind of depends what pple are hoping for in XIV.
A good majority of the WoW generation had a hard time keeping up with the old FFXI (in the old days).
FF attracts pple that are a class of their own. These are the pple that have no problem with a higher hurdle just as long as the officially released game does not play like a freaking 1year open beta

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Oh, give me a break! Is it impossible, or are you simply not skilled enough?

SE cannot design dungeons with the idea that, "Okay, at this point no matter what happens everyone in the party has to die and spend half an hour recovering." You can see that's ridiculous, can't you?

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in a game with RNG you can never have enough skill so yes it is impossible

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Oh, give me a break! Is it impossible, or are you simply not skilled enough?

SE cannot design dungeons with the idea that, "Okay, at this point no matter what happens everyone in the party has to die and spend half an hour recovering." You can see that's ridiculous, can't you?

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youd be surprised at all the evil things they implimented in XI before :(

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Originally Posted by Deceptistar

youd be surprised at all the evil things they implimented in XI before :(

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I know what you mean I use to run COP.

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Originally Posted by Deceptistar

kind of depends what pple are hoping for in XIV.
A good majority of the WoW generation had a hard time keeping up with the old FFXI (in the old days).
FF attracts pple that are a class of their own. These are the pple that have no problem with a higher hurdle just as long as the officially released game does not play like a freaking 1year open beta

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Yes but alot of FFXI players think that pointless hurdles and difficult content are the same thing. Things like exp loss when you die is a pointless hurdle but they will argue the idea came from Jesus himself.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

Yes but alot of FFXI players think that pointless hurdles and difficult content are the same thing. Things like exp loss when you die is a pointless hurdle but they will argue the idea came from Jesus himself.

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While it's not amazing, this is not a pointless hurdle.

One could argue that every step of an MMo is a pointless hurdle, as ultimately you are in a constant cycle of "get better gear to get better gear, to make getting better gear easier".

Losing experience gave FFXI a very real sense of danger when you were going to die. FFXIV currently gives me no such feelings, I die, meh, I home point and am back again.

The penalty is the reason you DONT want to die, thus encouraging people to play better, but as it is now, no penalty has me caring less than I thought possible when I hit the dust.

Players with a mind set that its OK to die, lol.

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

While it's not amazing, this is not a pointless hurdle.

One could argue that every step of an MMo is a pointless hurdle, as ultimately you are in a constant cycle of "get better gear to get better gear, to make getting better gear easier".

Losing experience gave FFXI a very real sense of danger when you were going to die. FFXIV currently gives me no such feelings, I die, meh, I home point and am back again.

The penalty is the reason you DONT want to die, thus encouraging people to play better, but as it is now, no penalty has me caring less than I thought possible when I hit the dust.

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no it does not you ppl seem to see it this way (not really sure why) me i never die because death itself was enough to keep me from dying. The 3 mins it takes for weakness to wear was 3 mins i was not playing when i could have been but because i came in underprepare i've now got to wait. this is how it is with exp loss but now when im done i dont have to go lvl randomly to recover for trying something new.

Raise and Resurrect arent being set too low. I would have liked them to be R10 instead.

If you die you should have to start over from Lv. 1

And as for 'working hard to get raise', now it has changed to 'working hard to get raise II and rebirth'. they are better, so why complain.

Guys it is raise not reraise. Meaning you only cast on targets not yourself. And considering this game most content starts @ 20, that is my they increased the spead. WOw and Bethesda explained this well, You got to keep people hooked in the early levels. As people tend to quit after getting level 10. Like bliz re did most of the starting zones in cata. To make them more like the death knight starting area. Unlike ffxi we do not have city mission or ranks. And most the content is 20+. So they figured to help keep new players hooked just increase the speed a bit. Pretty much by comparrison. 1-20 in ffxiv is = to 1-10 in ffxi.

Also as I stated, ffxi had a ton of raise things. From earings to scrolls to other items. Ranging from 1-50 and higher. This was to help the ease of leveling not be so time consuming (in a bad way).
Also in retro spec, once people figured out the formulars of leveling can get 1-75 in a day.

Pretty much raise is an insentive to group at 14. Since people do not group up till 48/49 to kill raptors.

Also unlike most mmo ingeneral. We have 2 tier penalty. we have a basic weakness, but if we die while weakend we get the second teir. Any death after that while under brink of death get durability loss on their gear.

This makes crafters importent since they will need to repair gear a lot more.

Most people solo at 14 so this doesn't make leveling easy since you can't raise yourself if K'Oed. But this does get people to help out others.

With having multiple raises on the action bar. If this is uncorrect I'm sorry. But from my experiance in ffxi. Raise had their own cd. Meaning with mp, you can cast every raise to raise any player. Instead of waiting on CD for raise.

Also do understand that with physical level being removed, stats numbers will decrease since they plan on decreasing the amount of stat points you get to allocate. So you may not have the "2k hp" after the change.

Also do realise that mmo change, rules change. And they are adding content. But also soon or later we will have a ps3 launch, those players would have to play catch up. With the way leveling is it will be more fun for the,. Since they will get to see a good portion of content rahter quickly. Which will keep them playing.

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

While it's not amazing, this is not a pointless hurdle.

One could argue that every step of an MMo is a pointless hurdle, as ultimately you are in a constant cycle of "get better gear to get better gear, to make getting better gear easier".

Losing experience gave FFXI a very real sense of danger when you were going to die. FFXIV currently gives me no such feelings, I die, meh, I home point and am back again.

The penalty is the reason you DONT want to die, thus encouraging people to play better, but as it is now, no penalty has me caring less than I thought possible when I hit the dust.

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Really, getting a buffer was one of the most pointless and annoying thing I've ever came across. It was also one of the most frequent complaints I hear while playing XI. I have no buffer, I cant go on this job cuz I got no buffer, oh crap I deleveled and cant use any of my gear.
Weakness is enough of a punishment, dont need to kick the player in the stomach while on the ground. But I guess that would be hardcore huh.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

you guys cry too much over the STUPIDEST stuff.

Maybe you guys have out grown mmo? Since apparently a lvl 14 raise is not grown up enough for ya. >.>

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everyone is entitled to express their own opinion, at least some of us level up our account pass 30 :) but still the forums was made to talk even if we people say is dumb they still entitled to say what they think about the updates.

who the hell care if a level 1 or level 50 can use it? does anyone even raise with crystal being so close to everywhere.? it really a joke i don't care if it's 1 or 50 we still can return lol and we be there within 1min anyways.

maybe the new maps would delete all the crystal and only make a few so Raise can be used more then few times.