Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by Joven

Anything in the Mogshop is optional to begin with, you're not required to buy anything from there so any sales made is just pure profit. They loose nothing if people don't buy anything.

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Yes everything on mog station is optional but it is not pure profit you don't start making a profit until you have earned enough back for the dev time and resources cost until then its a loss, so if no one buys anything then SE would be flushing money down the toilet.

Now this is what SE has lost money wise from me, at least 1 fantasia + CE Shadowbringers which is £18.75, a drop in the ocean but it is a net loss to the company because of their decision to gender lock and i'm sure i'm not the only one this has affected how much they are going to spend on ffxiv going forward.

It is down to SE to decide if this will be a temporary loss or a permanent one but also down to them to add up the potential revenue from adding the genders are worth the cost of time/resources.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Yes everything on mog station is optional but it is not pure profit you don't start making a profit until you have earned enough back for the dev time and resources cost until then its a loss, so if no one buys anything then SE would be flushing money down the toilet.

Now this is what SE has lost money wise from me, at least 1 fantasia + CE Shadowbringers which is £18.75, a drop in the ocean but it is a net loss to the company because of their decision to gender lock and i'm sure i'm not the only one this has affected how much they are going to spend on ffxiv going forward.

It is down to SE to decide if this will be a temporary loss or a permanent one but also down to them to add up the potential revenue from adding the genders are worth the cost of time/resources.

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You're operating under the assumtion that they're intending to NEVER release the other genders, just like everone else on here is. They haven't said one way or the other yet since the expansion hasn't even launched yet.

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Originally Posted by Joven

I don't support either side myself. If they decide to release them then great, if they don't, also great. But threads like this one are pointless. The devs haven't said anything about never releasing the other genders, just that they decided to release what they could with what time they had. Making a huge fuss over it like we're NEVER going to get them before we even get the first release is petty.

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This thread is not pointless Yoshi P has stated they are looking for feedback and this thread is one way to give it. I very well believe if there wasn't as much blow back against the decision to gender lock they would've left Viera and Hrothgar as they are and just moved on but because there was a much an outcry as there was (Some was really overboard the people calling the devs sexist/homophobic as the worst offenders) that they are even considering male Viera and female Hrothgar.

Nice, this forum has an ignore list. Cool feature. Has it always been there or is it new? I never noticed it before.


Anyroad, I changed my glamours and switched bunny ears. White Mages are cool. :cool:



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So I got a theory on what could happen. They will do numbers and think that maybe male viera will earn them a tremendous amount of money, while fem hrotgar not so much (just guessing) so they might give male viera super early to get money (5.0-5.1) and then release fem hrotgar later

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Originally Posted by zeylos

So I got a theory on what could happen. They will do numbers and think that maybe male viera will earn them a tremendous amount of money, while fem hrotgar not so much (just guessing) so they might give male viera super early to get money (5.0-5.1) and then release fem hrotgar later

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I thought about this too some time ago. It's possible, but maybe it's better to release them together later.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

So I got a theory on what could happen. They will do numbers and think that maybe male viera will earn them a tremendous amount of money, while fem hrotgar not so much (just guessing) so they might give male viera super early to get money (5.0-5.1) and then release fem hrotgar later

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staggering them is fine since end result is the same (as long as they communicate and say yeah we are making both just give us time)
but they would probably want to release them at the same time and dont expect them between 5.0-5.4

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

This thread is not pointless Yoshi P has stated they are looking for feedback and this thread is one way to give it. I very well believe if there wasn't as much blow back against the decision to gender lock they would've left Viera and Hrothgar as they are and just moved on but because there was a much an outcry as there was (Some was really overboard the people calling the devs sexist/homophobic as the worst offenders) that they are even considering male Viera and female Hrothgar.

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Again you're assuming that they never had plans to release both genders from the start when all they really said was they released what they thought would please the most people with the short time and resources they had. Perhaps they are taking feedback to see if there is enough interest to go forward with releasing the other genders or maybe that was the plan from the start, none of us know for sure because it's not even out yet. If down the line they reveal that they weren't going to release them then sure you can be upset, but at this juncture outrage is unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by Joven

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I've seen some people express their displeasure that male viera and female hrothgar are not currently being implemented, but I haven't seen any outrage in this thread these past few days. That's not to say they will or won't be added. Even so, it's still in the best interest of those who want male viera and female hrothgar to leave feedback on the forum. Preferably in already existing threads lol

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Originally Posted by Joven

Again you're assuming that they never had plans to release both genders from the start when all they really said was they released what they thought would please the most people with the short time and resources they had. Perhaps they are taking feedback to see if there is enough interest to go forward with releasing the other genders or maybe that was the plan from the start, none of us know for sure because it's not even out yet. If down the line they reveal that they weren't going to release them then sure you can be upset, but at this juncture outrage is unnecessary.

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Nobody is outraging though. The first posts you see on the first page happened because frustration, disappointment and angery.
People calmed down and many others actually take their time to create a forum account, and we all know its quite a hassle to do so. So far I've seen less hassle about people that call the dev team sexist or threaten to cancel their subs, on the other hand... people still show up trying to tell me male Viera is only good for ERP.
This thread and the female Hrothgar certainly shows great interest for those who would like to play one and players that support their friends/family.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I've seen some people express their displeasure that male viera and female hrothgar are not currently being implemented, but I haven't seen any outrage in this thread these past few days. That's not to say they will or won't be added. Even so, it's still in the best interest of those who want male viera and female hrothgar to leave feedback on the forum. Preferably in already existing threads lol

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It's ok to be disappointed when something you want isn't announced (I'm still waiting for bait boxes), but people are treating this as if it was intentional when it wasn't. I can see why they chose the genders they did for the initial release because when it comes to Hrothgar/Ronso then Kimari is the one who comes to mind and when you think of Viera then Fran is who comes to mind (or the Viera from Tactics Advance). Add to that the only Viera seen through every game they're featured in, including this one, have been female. If they had male Viera abundantly walking around then there would be a precedence for them. So taking that into account, if they were going to release two new races on an initial limited scale then those would be the ideal pairings for race/gender since that's what people are familiar with.

I wonder how much longer we'll have to wait for another official announcement. I know Yoshi P said they would look at player feedback, but it feels like it's been forever and a day.

Probably the next Live Letter.

Look forward to it!

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Originally Posted by Joven

Again you're assuming that they never had plans to release both genders from the start when all they really said was they released what they thought would please the most people with the short time and resources they had. Perhaps they are taking feedback to see if there is enough interest to go forward with releasing the other genders or maybe that was the plan from the start, none of us know for sure because it's not even out yet. If down the line they reveal that they weren't going to release them then sure you can be upset, but at this juncture outrage is unnecessary.

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Yes i'm assuming but its due to how it feels Yoshi has changed his mind on the matter, Yoshi kept going on how it was the last new race to be added yet now its like lets look at feedback to see how best to press forward. From the moment they made the decision they expected people to be against it yet it feels like they didn't expect this much and are now weighing up the option of adding the genders.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Yes i'm assuming but its due to how it feels Yoshi has changed his mind on the matter, Yoshi kept going on how it was the last new race to be added yet now its like lets look at feedback to see how best to press forward. From the moment they made the decision they expected people to be against it yet it feels like they didn't expect this much and are now weighing up the option of adding the genders.

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From what I understand they had no intention of releasing any new races for this expansion and decided at the last minute to add them due to requests, so on that note we should be happy they're even offering this much.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

they might give male viera super early to get money (5.0-5.1) and then release fem hrotgar later

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You're more hopeful than I am. I worry they'll crunch the numbers, see that male Viera supporters are the majority of the outcry, and then release only male Viera to pacify as much as they can with little investment as possible. Then keep female Hroths dangling like an impossible dream, citing resources as why they could barely add male Viera but not female Hroths. But time will tell.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

staggering them is fine since end result is the same (as long as they communicate and say yeah we are making both just give us time)
but they would probably want to release them at the same time and dont expect them between 5.0-5.4

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They'd have to be very, very transparent about it. I mean, they've been saying they were working on the bunny outfit for literally years and people were anxious and left in the dark. That's why if and when an announcement comes about either missing option, I'd hope for a patch number to come along with it. Because "it will definitely come in six months" is frustrating, but a lot better than "we'll definitely do it sometimes".

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Originally Posted by Joven

It's ok to be disappointed when something you want isn't announced (I'm still waiting for bait boxes), but people are treating this as if it was intentional when it wasn't. I can see why they chose the genders they did for the initial release because when it comes to Hrothgar/Ronso then Kimari is the one who comes to mind and when you think of Viera then Fran is who comes to mind (or the Viera from Tactics Advance). Add to that the only Viera seen through every game they're featured in, including this one, have been female. If they had male Viera abundantly walking around then there would be a precedence for them. So taking that into account, if they were going to release two new races on an initial limited scale then those would be the ideal pairings for race/gender since that's what people are familiar with.

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The decision to gender lock initially was 100% intentional, the decision to not say Viera was gender locked when announced was intentional, no matter what SE and Yoshi handled giving the news poorly (using lore on stage and having to wait for interviews to go up for the genuine reason is bad). There has been zero implications Hrothgar were a thing outside and inside(still to this day) the game until the french text leak so Hrothgar are way more out of nowhere than male Viera and a male Viera being WoL is less lore breaking than a Hrothgar walking into 2.0 Gridania/Ul'Dah without being detained/interrogated/attacked. So what if ffxiv adds male Viera it doesn't force the SE to make them for future games since ffxiv ivalice =/= Ivalice of Tactics/ff12. As for limited race thing i would've preferred 1 race rather than 2 1/2 races on implementation but that is a personal biased on my part whether this was ideal i cannot say as personally we have yet to see if it was one way or the other.

Most people are willing to wait to see how things will go, we do not want to work the devs to the ground but we are voicing ourselves when we feel the devs have done a mistake that we would like rectified eventually. This thread is one thing to a lot of the people posting and supporting it and that is Hope, we are hoping the devs decide to add male Viera and female Hrothgar , we are hoping to have our voices heard.

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i like this one alot overall vibe hes got is nice


artist btw
https://twitter.com/NHAAMAMIA/status/956240886387564544

oh, I like that one too! Has a bit of a smug vibe to him.

I really want male viera. I hope Square Enix changes their mind.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Yes i'm assuming but its due to how it feels Yoshi has changed his mind on the matter, Yoshi kept going on how it was the last new race to be added yet now its like lets look at feedback to see how best to press forward. From the moment they made the decision they expected people to be against it yet it feels like they didn't expect this much and are now weighing up the option of adding the genders.

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Didn‘t they say from the very beginning on „probably“ last race? Like they do it with many things a la „never say never“ motto?

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

Didn‘t they say from the very beginning on „probably“ last race? Like they do it with many things a la „never say never“ motto?

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I feel like, more than leaving it as a loophole for the future (though it was definitely also that), it was to open a technical loophole when they introduced Hrothgar in the very next FanFest. Because setting aside the development technicalities (one race = male + female, two clans each, which female Viera and male Hroths together give us), they did already introduce a new race after Viera. Like, if there was ever a hint outside the leaks something else was coming, it was that. And I still don't believe the "bug" that revealed Hroth in the French version was a mistake.

Granted, that's just my tinfoil hat speaking, and it does leave them with the opening to add whatever they want after

Always holding onto hope for bunny boys, I’ll cut the sky in half (lookin’ at you Derplander), to bring them boys out of their hermit homes.

Guys I'm expecting the devs to surprise us with this thing this time. I think that because if they were just not capable of adding the other genders, they would already have said it on an official statement...
There is always hope that we go to benchmark and there are both genders!
That being said, another reason why I think this could happen is that it isn't that hard to add new races if you make their bodies look very similar to others (I know that because gear is shared amongst all races, and if you change 1 piece of gear on one race's model, with some exceptions, all the other races will also get the change), so if they truly want to do so, they do have time enough to remove the genderlock, since it's oly headgear and animations.
That being said, I wouldn't personally mind if we couldn't equip headgear or do some specific emotes or maybe even have some pieces of gear look the same, if that would mean getting the other genders added soon.
Anyways, It might be unliekly but there is nothing wrong in hoping i guess!
Here is a version of male viera that seems to be based off highlander and some ppl could enjoy (though I expect them to make male viera more like elezen) enjoy!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsdHRvdXQAA71sZ.jpg

That's more like it!

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Originally Posted by Ceallach

So if we're told male Viera eschew the idea of leaving the Wood, so we won't be getting playable male Viera, would that be an issue with you? I don't think it would be, but I thought I'd ask out of interest.

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I think it's a pretty flimsy lore rationale given that there's jobs, like WHM, with much more stringent restrictions than that, and yet you can still play one as the WoL. The lore was not the real reason as to why they weren't included, though, and they've since clarified this.

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I found an image that I think that represents what some people asked for which was them to look almost like the females, and showcases them in dancer gear (without the unnecesary pants ofc ;))
Sourche: thebratcat tumblr

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Ok I'm starting to get really annoyed at the devs, it seems like they are trying to ignore this subject in hopes that it will die down instead of giving an official respone. Guys we can't let this die down until they confirm how and when we will get the other genders. I really hope they give us an official response soon, like YoshiP said in an interview

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It's barely been 3 weeks. They're already very busy since work on the expansion remains on-going, amongst other things. I was expecting a response in May, maybe.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

It's barely been 3 weeks. They're already very busy since work on the expansion remains on-going, amongst other things. I was expecting a response in May, maybe.

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I think that they should have already given an official response, considering it's most liekly they already planned on what to do since Yoshida himself said they plan 2 years in advance

Yeah, May's probably an apt response time, though again I wouldn't hold your breath for a forum response period. They might just shadow implement them during 6.0 with little to no word on it I'm assuming or just not at all, the BA thread got a near instant response, probably within a week I'm assuming. So since this hasn't gotten similar treatment I doubt it's a priority.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I found an image that I think that represents what some people asked for

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What are you on.... Seriously.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

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You're working yourself into an expectation and I'd advise you to pull back a bit. I'm not saying to not have hope, but going about it in the way you are is setting yourself up for potential disappointment.

In all honesty we rarely get much in the way of announcements outside of Live Letters or Fanfests, so I wouldn't hold out for hearing anything at least until the next Live Letter in May.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I think that they should have already given an official response, considering it's most liekly they already planned on what to do since Yoshida himself said they plan 2 years in advance

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They already did give a response. Keep in mind they are at peak busy time now with Shadowbringers, there will be literally no time to address anything else until at least crunch ends sometime in May/June.

Just hoping we get a favorable response, even if it means a lot of waiting ahead.
Much of the excitement I had for viera was that we'd finally be able to see and play as male viera, so this announcement was very disappointing.

Todays Fanart:

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https://twitter.com/johnnybluhbluh/s...15315168407552

Honestly, I would prefer the body type to be closer to what Yoshi P mentioned. Don't get me wrong I love a shorter cute male race option that isn't lala. I personally think that should have added Ivalician Moogles for a cute shorter option.

It so hard to please everyone but as long as male viera get added at some point I'll be happy!

Don't give it attention, it feeds on it. Like an ant on sugar.

I'm not sure why this thread is such a hot target. Most of what happens in here is polite sharing of ideas and speculation, nice fanart with a nice range of build ideas gets posted and there's an occasional light debate about height. (All of which are helpful to developers since they have said they're watching feedback for this particular thing--what "Yoshi said," in fact, is "we're looking into it.")

I haven't seen people get this worked up about folks wanting rabbits since I raised the things.

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Originally Posted by Quipsy

I'm not sure why this thread is such a hot target. Most of what happens in here is polite sharing of ideas and speculation, nice fanart with a nice range of build ideas gets posted and there's an occasional light debate about height. (All of which are helpful to developers since they have said they're watching feedback for this particular thing--what "Yoshi said," in fact, is "we're looking into it.")

I haven't seen people get this worked up about folks wanting rabbits since I raised the things.

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People have been linking it to the threads on /v/ I'm assuming the posters that haven't been banned see at as "sticking it to the SJWs." or "Trolling butthurt forum posters"

Again it's just attention seeking, threads that actually support genderlocking barely get any notice, most of the people who say "I WILL UNSUB IF THEY ADD THE OPPOSITE GENDERS" are only really doing it in reply to people who want both genders as a way to agitate them.

Tis the consequence of actually having more than 100 likes on your post.

Perhaps the thread wouldn't get nearly so much negative attention if some of the artwork being posted wasn't so creepy/overly suggestive.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

People have been linking it to the threads on /v/ I'm assuming the posters that haven't been banned see at as "sticking it to the SJWs." or "Trolling butthurt forum posters"

Again it's just attention seeking, threads that actually support genderlocking barely get any notice, most of the people who say "I WILL UNSUB IF THEY ADD THE OPPOSITE GENDERS" are only really doing it in reply to people who want both genders as a way to agitate them.

Tis the consequence of actually having more than 100 likes on your post.

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I've said this before as a reply to the post with the screenshot from the gender lock thread relating to Miqo's and Roes. I BET a bunch of those same trolls end up swapping to a bun bro or a hrothgal if they get released. It's to the point where that's becoming a major reason why I want to see mViera and fHrothgar in the game.