TGS Trailer ahoy!

I want them to release the full CGI trailer! :O i hope it explains well why the 12 aren't been summoned and instead we are frozen 5 years in time... about that trailer ill have to finally be negative lol but i didn't like the editing at all that's about it

Unless the video has been upscaled for the gameplay portions, I doubt it's from a PS3 given that the video is 1080p and the word so far on the PS3 version is 720p.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

I really hope you are right. But as usual we have no clarification so allow the forum panic to continue

I'll get you all started...

'Wah! You suck SE, you are going to ruin the game'
'WTF I quit'
'OMG you gaiz its just Alpha'
'Derp, you using the alpha excuse, it's too late in development for that!11!'
'White Knight!!!'
'Troll!'
'Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrgslurpurgle DDDDDD:'

...Actually I think I have covered it all now.

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Should've started the "rant" with "Hello guys, Rokien here and <insert horrible opinion here>".

Star you can give out opinions but you can't take them? It's one thing to be optimistic but you sir are a fanboy which is fine(read most of your threads/comments). But when people voice their concerns that's all their doing. I'm playing this game as an average gamer, I have no ties to any other game currently but this one and I rarely post. When something concerns me, I comment and give my personal opinion just like during alpha and beta 2 years ago. I don't want that mistake to happen again where we all say "yeah it's just alpha" and hope something amazing comes from it.

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Originally Posted by DGMart

Star you can give out opinions but you can't take them? It's one thing to be optimistic but you sir are a fanboy which is fine(read most of your threads/comments). But when people voice their concerns that's all their doing. I'm playing this game as an average gamer, I have no ties to any other game currently but this one and I rarely post. When something concerns me, I comment and give my personal opinion just like during alpha and beta 2 years ago. I don't want that mistake to happen again where we all say "yeah it's just alpha" and hope something amazing comes from it.

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Fanboy? nah I am a "fan" though but I am no "Fanboy" I just like to stay positive, because no one else in here really understands that word much, everyday is "What did SE do wrong this time?" Type comments, so I am here to merely just keep people in good Spirits, nothing more nothing less.

FYI, I haven't been playing FFXIV much because real life stuff, and I feel there no point to right now until ARR.

and Yes I can take opinions just fine.. Rokien on the other hand... ( think happy thoughts.. you can do it starlord)

Saying that this is bad because "Duh well OBVIOUSLY it's from the alpha of iOS version!!" is not a fact.

It's you thinking they're intentionally advertising the game to the world with the worst version.

I was really looking forward to the new trailer, and hopefully seeing SE put it's best foot forward and alleviate some of the fears/concerns that have been circulating about the forums, and instead have only managed to reinforce the reality that my pleasingly lifelike character that i have spent quite a bit of time developing, will be replaced with a dead eyed plastic looking toon.

But at least the world looks better? i guess?

Is this a good trade off? .....maybe i should attempt some positive thinking in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary and just convince myself that it is an issue that will be addressed after launch.

Soon after.

Please?

This article here says the video shown at TGS Mega Theater is PS3 version

http://www.4gamer.net/games/092/G009287/20120919088/ (JP article)

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

This article here says the video shown at TGS Mega Theater is PS3 version

http://www.4gamer.net/games/092/G009287/20120919088/ (JP article)

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Thank the 12. I understand we seem to be loosing some detail but for the love of god I can't go back to block-hands.

I wonder if peoples attitudes will change when/if SE tells us this is PS3 footage.

I find it increasingly difficult to read posts on this forum because of people's instant negative reactions to everything that is given/shown to them without really any thought at all.

It doesn't take much thought to give an educated guess that this is not PC footage:
1.) All of the trailers with game footage in them that came before this one looked spectacular game wise.
2.) Live demonstrations of the game at various venues up to this point have reinforced the great graphics. (otherwise people attending would have made mention of how terrible the game looks long before this trailer).
3.) People attending the event also feel that it is most likely PS3 footage because Yoshi-P said that PS3 footage would likely be shown at TGS.
4.) PS3 is 6 years old and is lacking compared to PC's of it's time and obviously those of current day tech. Just because it can make single player games look fantastic does not mean it can maintain the same graphic quality while dealing with everything else in an MMO world.
5.) The team has stated several times that the PS3 has been a challenge to put ARR onto while trying to maintain the quality visuals we are used to now.

I realize not everyone is exactly in the loop when it comes to understanding how PC's/Consoles function. I am not all knowing when it comes to them either though building PC's is a hobby of mine.

So let me ask this:
Other than the fact that it has not been officially stated, what makes some of you feel that this is not PS3 footage?
Why would the graphics suddenly go to hell compared to what's already been shown if this is a PC version?(Ignoring the idea that they ran it on low graphic settings).

Let's try thinking rather than freaking out for once. I already see steam coming out of ears.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

This article here says the video shown at TGS Mega Theater is PS3 version

http://www.4gamer.net/games/092/G009287/20120919088/ (JP article)

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Cha Ching! Nail that answer out of the ballpark XD I'm going to pull off a Rokien.. " SEE I WAS RIGHT I TOLD YOU ALL MUHAHAHAHA"

But sense I'm not him I'll say it my way: Thank the lord it's not the PC Graphics.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Cha Ching! Nail that answer out of the ballpark XD I'm going to pull off a Rokien.. " SEE I WAS RIGHT I TOLD YOU ALL MUHAHAHAHA"

But sense I'm not him I'll say it my way: Thank the lord it's not the PC Graphics.

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Well looks like this came just in time for my post to now be null.
LOL

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Originally Posted by SirOleas

Well looks like this came just in time for my post to now be null.
LOL

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I know I saw that It was back to back too! i felt bad for ya having to type all that for nothing kinda =(.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I know I saw that It was back to back too! i felt bad for ya having to type all that for nothing kinda =(.

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I suppose it's still somewhat valid. Now we have an interview stating it's PS3 footage; only strengthens my post I suppose.

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Originally Posted by SirOleas

I suppose it's still somewhat valid. Now we have an interview stating it's PS3 footage; only strengthens my post I suppose.

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Yeah, Your post is like a Moral to a Story "Don't jump to Conclusions, when we "just" got information."

I kinda Figured it was from the PS3, idn it just had that feel to it I suppose.

thing is..... That's bad for pc if that's the ps3 version

http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0ce572f5.png

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Originally Posted by Rokien

thing is..... That's bad for pc if that's the ps3 version

http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0ce572f5.png

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Depends what they on there settings for the PC Version, however at least the PS3 version looks amazing for what it looks like.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

thing is..... That's bad for pc if that's the ps3 version

http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0ce572f5.png

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The only bad thing is that PS3 will ultimately limit what they can do with the PC version.
It's the same issue with FFXI and PS2. They are dropping PS2 support for their next expansion on FFXI.

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Originally Posted by SirOleas

The only bad thing is that PS3 will ultimately limit what they can do with the PC version.
It's the same issue with FFXI and PS2. They are dropping PS2 support for their next expansion on FFXI.

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That's one of my main concerns about XIV as well, I know you can pull out better graphics on the PC but due to PS3 memory limitations they have to make sure whatever new content/feature they add will work on the PS3 and that could hold those content/feature release or only release downgraded version to make it work when they could of done much better. Worst part is if they do release for PS3 as planned they can't suddenly say on first expansion or 2nd expansion year/two later saying oops now you need PS4 with more memory so all you PS3 owners too bad, I'm sure they have to keep the game working on current PS3 settings for a while.

Not really, it's still supported in Japan, also the PS3 is much more powerful than the PS2. The PS2 was extremely weak processing wise and memory wise, the PS3 is not. There will obviously be some limitations but nothing that will limit the game, you have to remember it took them 4 years before the PS2 started to hurt FFXI.

You have to figure XIV will survive even that long for the PS3 to become a problem.

The PS3 did play FFXIII after all.. which that game is a Graphics Whore.... lolz

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Not really, it's still supported in Japan, also the PS3 is much more powerful than the PS2. The PS2 was extremely weak processing wise and memory wise, the PS3 is not. There will obviously be some limitations but nothing that will limit the game, you have to remember it took them 4 years before the PS2 started to hurt FFXI.

You have to figure XIV will survive even that long for the PS3 to become a problem.

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This next XI expansion will still see PS2 support in Japan only? Didn't know that.
And sure, PS3 is obviously way stronger than PS2. I wasn't trying to talk in the now rather than what will come down the road, a long ways down it most likely.

Holy crap that looks awful..

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Holy crap that looks awful..

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I really don't know if you are serious, but I think it looks kinda bad sooo I'm going to say you are, kinda. lol

I'm completely serious. That is the crappiest looking PS3 game I have ever seen. I would rather they scrap PS3 than show keep showing that to the public.

The Characters look like they were made in paint..

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Originally Posted by Kiote

I'm completely serious. That is the crappiest looking PS3 game I have ever seen. I would rather they scrap PS3 than show keep showing that to the public.

The Characters look like they were made in paint..

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I have to agree with this. I know i'll probably make a few enemies saying this but I personally would prefer the game be pc exclusive. It's not like it's that wild of an idea really, GW2, WoW, ToR generally ever mmo is for pc only. Having played XI for some 8 years I saw first hand what happens when you go cross platform on an mmo.

Though a lot of the issues with XI were crazyness of armor and size of enemies/area's which isn't much of a problem for the ps3 as it can scale things pretty damn well. I guess over all what SE can do is always release like High Res texture packs and DX11 support for pc. There's many cosmetic things you can do to a graphics engine that won't effect gameplay in the least.

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Originally Posted by SirOleas

This next XI expansion will still see PS2 support in Japan only? Didn't know that.
And sure, PS3 is obviously way stronger than PS2. I wasn't trying to talk in the now rather than what will come down the road, a long ways down it most likely.

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Yep only NA/EU support was being dropped. Like I said you mainly have to assume XIV would survive long enough for the PS3 to become a problem and by then they'll likely find workarounds like they did for XI and the PS2 (Mog Sack and porter mog for example.)

Even with the PS3's "limitations" they keep thinking of new ways to improve the general performance of the console, proof of that is in the evolution of games for the console as in games that were released when the console came out versus the games we have now, compare any of the old games with the new ones and you will see a pretty big difference, the PS2 didn't have any update system like the PS3 has so I'm hoping there will be future updates to the FFXIV that will make it look better even if it's only 720p.

Some of the breakthroughs I've noticed where games like Metal Gear Solid 4, all the Uncharted games (compare U1 with U3 there's a big difference right there),the Crysis games, the Bioshock games, the Dead Space games, etc., every iteration has come with a substantial graphic boost and to the way the developers take advantage of the console, which means there's some juice left in it for FFXIV and games to come; have you seen the Resident Evil 6 demo that came out 1 or 2 days ago? I wouldn't have believed games/graphics like that were possible when the PS3 came out, but then again this is only IMHO ;D

John Carmack said something when idSoftware released Rage for PS3 and PC, he said that is easier (at least for him) to make a game for a console because is the same hardware worldwide and you don't have to worry about the game running in different resolutions or monitors or to make it run in low end hardware (the reason why Rage had some trouble working correctly in PCs), so in a way this will save some developing time since they just have to find a way of optimizing any new content they come up with for the console and then add the extra level of detail (or lack of it) that the PCs out there need.

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Even with the PS3's "limitations" they keep thinking of new ways to improve the general performance of the console, proof of that is in the evolution of games for the console as in games that were release when the console came out versus the games we have now, compare any of the old games with the new ones and you will see a pretty big difference, the PS2 didn't have any update system like the PS3 has so I'm hoping there will be future updates to the game that will make it look better even if it's only 720p.

Some of the breakthroughs I noticed where games like Metal Gear Solid 4, all the Uncharted games (compare U1 with U3),the Crysis games, the Bioshock games, the Dead Space games, etc., every iteration has come with a substantial boost to the way the developers take advantage of the console, which means there's some juice left in it for games to come, have you seen the Resident Evil 6 game? I wouldn't have believed games/graphics like that were possible when the PS3 came out, but then again this is only IMHO ;D

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The ps3 is capable of many great things but always keep in mind there's many variables that come into play with an mmo versus a single player game. It's why you don't see many mmo's with graphics on par with say Uncharted 3 or what have you. That's not to say FF14 looks bad. A single player game has things that are scripted, you know what the game world will do, it's the player that's the variable, so it's not that big of a deal when you're only dealing with one giant variable. With an MMO you've got upwards to 100+ players in a single area reacting with the game world around them, that's a lot of variables to contend with.

Well first, specific games on PS3 IMO has surpassed the graphics on FFXIV already especially the PS3 version. I think it's more of the art style. Don't get me wrong FFXiV is gorgeous but it will be outdone in the near future by other games. I very much enjoy the art style of this game as long as its not so bland which with 2.0 should change that.

Edit: person above me pretty much said what I wanted to :)

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I have to agree with this. I know i'll probably make a few enemies saying this but I personally would prefer the game be pc exclusive. It's not like it's that wild of an idea really, GW2, WoW, ToR generally ever mmo is for pc only. Having played XI for some 8 years I saw first hand what happens when you go cross platform on an mmo.

Though a lot of the issues with XI were crazyness of armor and size of enemies/area's which isn't much of a problem for the ps3 as it can scale things pretty damn well. I guess over all what SE can do is always release like High Res texture packs and DX11 support for pc. There's many cosmetic things you can do to a graphics engine that won't effect gameplay in the least.

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I believe they built 11 around the ps2 first then transfered it to pc. While this one they built the pc version first and transfered it to ps3 which IMO is more logical. But I could be wrong /shrug

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Originally Posted by DGMart

Well first, specific games on PS3 IMO has surpassed the graphics on FFXIV already especially the PS3 version. I think it's more of the art style. Don't get me wrong FFXiV is gorgeous but it will be outdone in the near future by other games. I very much enjoy the art style of this game as long as its not so bland which with 2.0 should change that.

Edit: person above me pretty much said what I wanted to :)

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I kinda agree.
Sure there are plenty of games that look worse on ps3 and it's not a disaster just technically quite sloppy.

What I hope is that the new areas will be a lot more imaginative and have overall more interesting art direction.
That is something that can make the graphics timeproof and memorable.

I have to say that this specific trailer though did not give that kind of an impression. Maybe it's just very rough but still the design is pretty bland in these scenes.

I never had trouble looking at grass textures in LL area but the fact that there wasn't anything interesting to see.

I wonder what's happening in the 3d process since all the concept art is imaginative and amazing but in-game the same areas often look mundane and bland.

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Originally Posted by DGMart

I believe they built 11 around the ps2 first then transfered it to pc. While this one they built the pc version first and transfered it to ps3 which IMO is more logical. But I could be wrong /shrug

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Yah I think most the limitations with XI were more due to the graphics engine being used then it was the ps2. The Graphics engine was programmed to never exceed the limitations of the ps2 is my best guess. Meanwhile this system has been built from the ground up for pc

I was starting to doubt ffxiv for a second or two I was wondering how is it possible that it can go from really nice graphics in the other videos to bland and almost no texture detail. Then I read the post about it being played on ps3, thank goodness.

Me and my computer were starting to sweat, well I guess I won't be buying the ps3 version not like I was going to anyway last thing I need is one more account I already have two.

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I was starting to doubt ffxiv for a second or two I was wondering how is it possible that it can go from really nice graphics in the other videos to bland and almost no texture detail. Then I read the post about it being played on ps3, thank goodness.

Me and my computer were starting to sweat, well I guess I won't be buying the ps3 version not like I was going to anyway last thing I need is one more account I already have two.

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Thing is, it looks just like the pc version.... soooo yaaa... take that what it's worth.

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Originally Posted by DGMart

Well first, specific games on PS3 IMO has surpassed the graphics on FFXIV already especially the PS3 version. I think it's more of the art style. Don't get me wrong FFXiV is gorgeous but it will be outdone in the near future by other games. I very much enjoy the art style of this game as long as its not so bland which with 2.0 should change that.

Edit: person above me pretty much said what I wanted to :)

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Sure they've surpassed FFXIV. But an MMO is decidedly more resource-heavy than a single-player game, so the graphics have to be scaled down accordingly.

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Originally Posted by alexhatesmil

Sure they've surpassed FFXIV. But an MMO is decidedly more resource-heavy than a single-player game, so the graphics have to be scaled down accordingly.

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Tell that to FPS.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Tell that to FPS.

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FPS =/= MMO.

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Originally Posted by alexhatesmil

FPS =/= MMO.

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You just said that because its an mmo it has some special reason why its graphics have to be worse.

You seldomly have more then 20 characters on screen. Most recent FPS can have 30+ and look amazing.

So I was saying, no.

FPSs are also generally confined on a map by map basis very seldom with a consistent world. Everything is prerendered and scripted on that map.

MMOs however, takes much more memory in the long run due to it's persistent world and needing to render more things at a time. You don't have NPCs in FPS matches for example, nor do you have constant events happening that isn't scripted into the maps background, for example planes flying overhead etc.

So while both are online games, MMOs are a different beast.