[Petition] Have Naoki Yoshida Play Healer and take off the DPS Gloves for a year.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

I'm saying the latter is more important than the former, because this allergy to adding downtime activity is counterproductive. It's always "A few more damage options is okay, but nothing too much". Why nothing too much? I don't want "a few extra damage abilities". I want a rewarding, interesting, impactful, fully-fleshed out downtime kit that demonstrates the devs understand that not healing as much as possible is the reward state.

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It sounds like you just want to play a DPS then. Again, I think its good to have a downtown reward, but you seem to want DPS to be the sole focus of healers with them having a DPS rotation as rich as SAM or BLM with their downtime being casting healing spells. I'm saying add a few more options for downtime, but also make healing actually something engaging.

The issue is that the game doesn't really reward healing. It rewards dps. Faster kill times, buffers in case mistakes happen (expect in Ultimate), Not to mention, this game's current gcd system doesn't really support a faster pace intensity of damage. The best the game can do in terms of damage output is just something akin to J-waves, daming incoming every 3 seconds but with the current limit being 10k mp plus the fact that healing gcds are about twice more expensive than dps spells it's not really something that can be sustained for too long.

Also we know they are not going to do by the mention of the Mizzteq interview from endwalker media tour at 6 minutes 10 seconds in the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAbCjPPS1RQ&t=365s They don't want the damage to be high to where only high skill people can do and they don't want them to manage mp constantly. They've basically put themselves into the worst possible position that they could. They don't want to add more damage spells in accordance with the mr happy interview but they also don't want the incoming damage to be too high so it really doesn't leave them with room to be "creative per say."

I thought E8S was the end of my love of healing in this game, but now I'm starting to think it's the realisation that even Regen is usually a waste on a Tank in Savage now as things stand.

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Originally Posted by QooEr

i much rather have them try and fail, and then refine new ideas than release ogcd medica #4 and ogcd cure #5.

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Man, I don't know.

I get what you're saying but honestly, having to sit through stuff like Flamethrower sitting in my action menu for another 5+ years...

It's not that I see experimentation as bad if it's iterated properly, but without any kind of public Beta testing, and given their track record for a) how slow they are about responding to design issues and b) how grotesquely they tend to 'solve' those issues once acknowledged, I guess I'm reaching the 'Maybe we shouldn't poke them with a stick' phase.

...Honestly, what I don't understand is that in ARR and HW, they actually managed to make most Jobs feel pretty distinct and depthy even without Director Yoshida's beloved "gauges". Mechanically, the designers have more potential than ever these days, yet they seem to do less than ever with their ideas.

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Originally Posted by Yeastyloins

you seem to want DPS to be the sole focus of healers with them having a DPS rotation as rich as SAM or BLM with their downtime being casting healing spells.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

I want a rewarding, interesting, impactful, fully-fleshed out downtime kit that demonstrates the devs understand that not healing as much as possible is the reward state.

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@Yeastyloins: Please review.

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Originally Posted by Yeastyloins

It sounds like you just want to play a DPS then. Again, I think its good to have a downtown reward, but you seem to want DPS to be the sole focus of healers with them having a DPS rotation as rich as SAM or BLM with their downtime being casting healing spells. I'm saying add a few more options for downtime, but also make healing actually something engaging.

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Example #593854733 of DPS mains not understanding what makes healing fun for healer mains. "If you want to deal damage play a DPS".

No. I want to mul ti task. Support classes tend to be fun because they involve juggling healing, buffing, debuffing, crowd control, and yes -damage-. You don't fix boring downtime with a simple "I'll just force you to have less of it then". The reward itself is boring. It doesn't matter if my downtime reward is casting Glare 50 times or 10, it's boring. It needs more than "a few" extra abilities to be acceptable. Unskilled healers exist in this game. Therefore skilled healers will spend the vast majority of their time in downtime. This is going to happen unless you make things unclearable by unskilled healers. I want my reward for healing intelligently to be FUN. Not some snoozefest noninteractive chore. I've played phone games with more interesting healer downtime. In most RPGs, healers have a whole crapload of things they're doing when they're not healing. Haste. Slow. Poison. Strength boosting. Elemental protection spells. Stuns. Banishment. Smiting. Mini. Toad. Going invisible. Lightning storms. Freezing death fields. Implosion. Instakilling undead. Summoning flaming swords and angels. Confusing enemies. Buffing their own attack stats and shooting crossbows. All of these have been actions taken by a healer in RPGs I've played in the past year alone.

Healers in FFXIV are boring because they're designed with the approach a DPS player thinks healers want. You're healers, you should have more healing spells! How about another healing ability? You should have another off-GCD healing ability. We do need more opportunities to use those abilities, but the downtime isn't just some afterthought state we reach after doing our "primary job". It's the main thing we WANT to be doing while juggling our side gig of keeping the party healthy. Healing is a fundamentally different activity from dealing damage in that it's utterly useless outside the amount required to keep everyone moving. Outside a healthy threshold where we don't feel totally pointless (the state FFXIV is in now), skilled healers realize that healing isn't an end. It's a means. We keep the engine running, add some fuel and oil here and there when it's starting to sputter, but afterward we want to drive. The whole point of being in the metaphorical car in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

Example #593854733 of DPS mains not understanding what makes healing fun for healer mains. "If you want to deal damage play a DPS".

No. I want to mul ti task. Support classes tend to be fun because they involve juggling healing, buffing, debuffing, crowd control, and yes -damage-.

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DING DING DING we have a winner! Allow me to explain the most fun I had as a healer/support.

Dream of Mirror Online (DoMO) was a korean MMORPG (sort of) where for the most part you found a group of 5 other players and grinded mobs in an area until you reached the next area (so from 15-20 and so on).

The part I want to focus on is that if you picked several classes you could take skills from another class and then sub them on to yours. SO

I had Musician (which was important for all groups because you needed the songs to both reduce damage and keep up mana, damage ups extra), Dancer (for two aoes for damage) and my main class of Doctor (for healing).

The most fun I had was being a 3 man job. I healed. When songs needed to be reapplied I played and then dps'd when nothing else needed to be done. WHY can we not have that here?

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Originally Posted by Yeastyloins

It sounds like you just want to play a DPS then. Again, I think its good to have a downtown reward, but you seem to want DPS to be the sole focus of healers with them having a DPS rotation as rich as SAM or BLM with their downtime being casting healing spells. I'm saying add a few more options for downtime, but also make healing actually something engaging.

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It's not that people absolutely want them to play as a DPS, it's that when you're not actively healing because you have a good tank you end up literally just mashing one button, occasionally a second one to apply a dot. If you want to feel what that feels like, go get Thaumaturge and play it while only using Blizzard and Thunder.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

In the vast majority of RPGs, you see a spread of healing and non-healing spells that are much closer to FFXIV's current spread than they are to WoW's.

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You know, when I dipped my toes back into WoW on my restro druid a few weeks back, I actually had more dps skills than in FFXIV and less healing tools. despite needing to heal more.
On top of getting a nuke and two dots, one St one AoE, Restro Druids get to choose which of the dps specs they want to get the trimmed down dps rotation from. With the melee specc I took, that added two more resources to manage, a formchange somewhat similar to SB cleric stance (gives more dps options, can be canceled by casting a heal or magic dot), two more DoTs to manage, and a melee filler spending one of the two extra resources to build up the other.
And I actually managed to get time to use all of it in between the Healing that needed doing.

So if that works in a much more attrition based design, why can't Healers in FFXIV get at the very least their AoE DoTs back?

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

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Why should the focus be on downtime only but not both aspects? Should you just have 1 single target heal and 1 aoe heal then 30 buttons devoted to DPS then? I'm advocating for both a fun downtime phase when healing isn't need but more thoughtful healing to make it not feel like a chore. The reason I don't play a healer is because both aspects are dull as bricks. What good is a fun downtime phase if the healing phase is dull as hell, even if it makes up a minority of actions done in a fight? It again sounds like you want to be a healer but never have to heal period vs having a meaningful healing and dps phase. Why not make it so its fun to heal AND you get some fun dps to throw into the mix? Again, I am in pure agreement that dps options should be expanded for healers, but fight design should be made so a healer should feel happy that they did some sick interaction with the healing toolkit that ALLOWED you to have your damage phase. It builds a better game rather than "ACT number get big" type of loop. DPS suffers from this in the same sense providing little to no utility and fight design boiled down to "don't stand in bad and make number big".

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Originally Posted by ASkellington

DING DING DING we have a winner! Allow me to explain the most fun I had as a healer/support.

Dream of Mirror Online (DoMO) was a korean MMORPG (sort of) where for the most part you found a group of 5 other players and grinded mobs in an area until you reached the next area (so from 15-20 and so on).

The part I want to focus on is that if you picked several classes you could take skills from another class and then sub them on to yours. SO

I had Musician (which was important for all groups because you needed the songs to both reduce damage and keep up mana, damage ups extra), Dancer (for two aoes for damage) and my main class of Doctor (for healing).

The most fun I had was being a 3 man job. I healed. When songs needed to be reapplied I played and then dps'd when nothing else needed to be done. WHY can we not have that here?

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I mean, tell that to the hack of a game designer who thinks if healers have to hit a 3 button combo when there's no damage will make people's brains explode. Or god forbid you need to monitor a HoT on a tank.

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Originally Posted by Yeastyloins

Why should the focus be on downtime only but not both aspects? Should you just have 1 single target heal and 1 aoe heal then 30 buttons devoted to DPS then? I'm advocating for both a fun downtime phase when healing isn't need but more thoughtful healing to make it not feel like a chore.

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Not to that extreme no, but I think a shift in direction is absolutely needed.

The first example that comes to my mind was farming Delubrum Reginae. As a out and out Healer only sort, it was utterly horrible. Runs were slow if lots of people weren't using Lost Actions and there was little to nothing to heal for the most part. Thus I usually ended up throwing on the damage and 'looking forward' to one legged track and field for 30 minutes. Dull and boring doesn't even begin to cover it.

Switching to Dancer and keeping a pocket of healing abilities made things far more entertaining, as a DNC I had just about enough healing abilities to keep people topped myself and if we had no actual willing healers, playing the stand in healer with Lost Actions whilst still being an easier DPS was so much more enjoyable than just sitting around slamming that Glare key. The healing kit was sufficient, resources were limited and I actually had things to pay attention to when healing wasn't needed.

The element of it simply being a new experience can't be forgotten there, but even with that aside, it was just more fun. The same can be said about the current 24 man TBH.

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Originally Posted by Yeastyloins

I mean, tell that to the hack of a game designer who thinks if healers have to hit a 3 button combo when there's no damage will make people's brains explode. Or god forbid you need to monitor a HoT on a tank.

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Remember when every 3.0 job had the potential of super gimmicky cross class setups? On sch you could run 4, maybe even 5 dots (I know smn could) if you wanted to! Then in 4.0 they eliminated that system. The people said it was a good decision - why should I have to level other jobs to fully enjoy and/or the single job I want to main? It was a janky system anyway! 5.0 they removed tank stances. Again, the people rejoiced, a stance lowering your dps is a janky system anyway! In the September 2021 live letter, YoshiP succinctly said that they are NEVER returning to 3.0 job design philosophy. The fact that he had to address this to begin with meant that this was becoming a more popular request among the playerbase, and in spite of those people he announced those intentions. Everyone else rejoiced; jobs back then were janky! It's better to keep things clear-cut and streamlined, way more accessible!

And now... just look at the state of the players. Maybe if we put up a fight to the job team's emerging reductionism several years ago we wouldn't be here begging for more than two buttons to press on a healer. I know I definitely should've thought more critically about these changes! Lord knows I was celebrating along with everyone else up until now...

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

The first example that comes to my mind was farming Delubrum Reginae. As a out and out Healer only sort, it was utterly horrible. Runs were slow if lots of people weren't using Lost Actions and there was little to nothing to heal for the most part. Thus I usually ended up throwing on the damage and 'looking forward' to one legged track and field for 30 minutes. Dull and boring doesn't even begin to cover it.

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Both of the Bozja raids made healers non-essential due to the 2 mistakes = death mechanic. You weren't there to heal people, your only job was to raise them which a RDM could do a hell of a lot faster and more efficient.

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Originally Posted by anhaato

On sch you could run 4, maybe even 5 dots (I know smn could) if you wanted to!

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I think 4 was the cap. Bio, Miasma, Aero (from CNJ), and Thunder (from THM).

Co-signing.
Make the devs play jobs other than Paladin, Dragoon, and Black Mage. And I say this as a Paladin main.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

I think 4 was the cap. Bio, Miasma, Aero (from CNJ), and Thunder (from THM).

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Bio 2 was a separate dot at the time. You also had Miasma 2, but that was an aoe and not worth using in single target. So 5 single target dots and 1 aoe dot.

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Originally Posted by Martynek

Co-signing.
Make the devs play jobs other than Paladin

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You uh...do know PLD still isn't particularly desirable in most raid comps, yes?

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

You uh...do know PLD still isn't particularly desirable in most raid comps, yes?

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Viability =/= job design

As some what a healer main, the role is boring, if it's not savages or ultimates.
but in Savages and Ultimates healers need to pre-plan their entire kits, there's no rotation. Healers just remembering entire fights what to do at which point in time.
If you were to give healers dps combo there's no different between healers and BLM.

I always says this to my friends tho, if you want to buff sch, remove energy drain. If you want to nerf sge, add energy drain.
I agaisnt adding dps combo to healers, otherwise they'll just more focus on dpsing and less healing which make it worse.

I feel like forcing the lead dev to play something that isn't his style or to his taste is not going to lead to the outcome you're looking for. I don't really want the team's lead to be depressed with no stress outlet in game since he's been denied his preferred class. That sounds like a recipe for the long-term death of the game, not for making healers better.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

Viability =/= job design

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My point stands. PLD's current design is a trainwreck. -16s FoF opener, mandatory held atonements.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

I feel like forcing the lead dev to play something that isn't his style or to his taste is not going to lead to the outcome you're looking for. I don't really want the team's lead to be depressed with no stress outlet in game since he's been denied his preferred class. That sounds like a recipe for the long-term death of the game, not for making healers better.

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Well there is one thing we agree on then, playing XIV's healers would definitely make anyone depressed and are a recipe for the long-term death of the game.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

My point stands. PLD's current design is a trainwreck. -16s FoF opener, mandatory held atonements.

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Optional optimisations done to get the most out of your job in the top end of content are not the same as the core intended loop of the job.
The base design of Paladin is simple and intuitive.
Optimising paladin is janky and awkward.
I like both of these things, which is why I like Paladin and have mained it since I joined the game in 2.1.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

You uh...do know PLD still isn't particularly desirable in most raid comps, yes?

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Don't care. Viability != job design.
In addition, everything is viable. Who cares if it does, say, 5% or so less DPS? You can clear every single piece of content in the game with any standard permutation of jobs.

At this point the healer role may as well be removed. Replace with support role, add a couple more DPS buttons to each healer, and force DPS to be responsible for their own survival for the most part.

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Originally Posted by Martynek

Optional optimisations done to get the most out of your job in the top end of content are not the same as the core intended loop of the job.
The base design of Paladin is simple and intuitive.
Optimising paladin is janky and awkward.
I like both of these things, which is why I like Paladin and have mained it since I joined the game in 2.1.

Don't care. Viability != job design.
In addition, everything is viable. Who cares if it does, say, 5% or so less DPS? You can clear every single piece of content in the game with any standard permutation of jobs.

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Those optimizations are barely optional. They are necessary for the job to perform at a reasonable level. Without them, your burst fails to align with raid cooldowns. This results in catastrophically lowered damage. The difference is significant enough that you become a hindrance to your team. Also, viable and well designed are not the same thing. A job can be viable and still be demonstrably bad in other ways. Whether or not the "optimized" rotation is intended is irrelevant. The fact we have to play the job in such a cancerous way to perform well is an issue.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

I feel like forcing the lead dev to play something that isn't his style or to his taste is not going to lead to the outcome you're looking for. I don't really want the team's lead to be depressed with no stress outlet in game since he's been denied his preferred class. That sounds like a recipe for the long-term death of the game, not for making healers better.

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This sounds an awful lot like an argument in our favour.
He hates healers? Maybe even to the point of stress or depression? You can be very sure that the situation will change. Fast. We don't want him risking his mental health on trying to improve the game, but in the same vein, if a certain part of the game is such an intense pain point for the overwhelming majority of players that they would rather avoid the role entirely than risk burning out, it needs to be brought directly to the developers' attention.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Those optimizations are barely optional. They are necessary for the job to perform at a reasonable level. Without them, your burst fails to align with raid cooldowns. This results in catastrophically lowered damage. The difference is significant enough that you become a hindrance to your team. [...] Whether or not the "optimized" rotation is intended is irrelevant. The fact we have to play the job in such a cancerous way to perform well is an issue.

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Like I said, I like the janky rotation. It's fun to solve these things. "My fight or flight lasts just long enough to fit in an extra GCD? How can I best make use of that?" "My gcd loop is a bit longer than 60 seconds, what can I drop and where to help it align better?" etc. You see minor issues and learn how to overcome them to get the most out of the job. I don't mean any offense, but if you dislike the current Paladin rotation, have you considered playing a different job, and seeing if something else is more to your liking?

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Originally Posted by Martynek

Like I said, I like the janky rotation. It's fun to solve these things. "My fight or flight lasts just long enough to fit in an extra GCD? How can I best make use of that?" "My gcd loop is a bit longer than 60 seconds, what can I drop and where to help it align better?" etc. You see minor issues and learn how to overcome them to get the most out of the job. I don't mean any offense, but if you dislike the current Paladin rotation, have you considered playing a different job, and seeing if something else is more to your liking?

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I can't help but feel you are missing an important point here. Your enjoyment of a job does not mean things about it that are objectively flawed shouldn't be regarded as such. Just like acknowledging those flaws does not mean I am saying I don't like the job. Though, at this point I rarely get to use it because of its performance. I'm always pigeonholed into playing Gunbreaker, which my wrists are really beginning to hate.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

I can't help but feel you are missing an important point here. Your enjoyment of a job does not mean things about it that are objectively flawed shouldn't be regarded as such. Just like acknowledging those flaws does not mean I am saying I don't like the job. Though, at this point I rarely get to use it because of its performance. I'm always pigeonholed into playing Gunbreaker, which my wrists are really beginning to hate.

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If your group is making you play a job you find painful to play, I highly suggest talking to them about it, or if necessary, finding a new group. That doesn't sound like a healthy agreement. The "viability" of each job should never be an insurmountable barrier to your ability to clear, even in the hardest content.

That aside, I do not believe that the awkwardness of Paladin's optimised rotation is "objectively flawed". I think that there are flaws in Paladin's design, but I don't think that's one of them.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

Well there is one thing we agree on then, playing XIV's healers would definitely make anyone depressed and are a recipe for the long-term death of the game.

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Good job intentionally misinterpreting my point.

If you forced me to play Black Mage for a year I'd be depressed too. Not because BM is bad... but because I wouldn't be playing WHAT I WANT.

ANY person forced to play something they don't enjoy is going to lead to an unhappy situation even if the thing you're forced into is seen as fun by others.

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Originally Posted by Martynek

This sounds an awful lot like an argument in our favour.
He hates healers? Maybe even to the point of stress or depression? You can be very sure that the situation will change. Fast. We don't want him risking his mental health on trying to improve the game, but in the same vein, if a certain part of the game is such an intense pain point for the overwhelming majority of players that they would rather avoid the role entirely than risk burning out, it needs to be brought directly to the developers' attention.

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Same response to you. It has nothing to do with whether healing is good or bad. But that it's not his preferred playstyle. And ANYONE forced into something that isn't their preference is going to be unhappy.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

If you forced me to play Black Mage for a year I'd be depressed too. Not because BM is bad... but because I wouldn't be playing WHAT I WANT.
ANY person forced to play something they don't enjoy is going to lead to an unhappy situation even if the thing you're forced into is seen as fun by others.

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Well, we are talking about the game director here, not just a random player. It's kinda his job to make sure that the game is fun for its intended audience.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

Good job intentionally misinterpreting my point.

If you forced me to play Black Mage for a year I'd be depressed too. Not because BM is bad... but because I wouldn't be playing WHAT I WANT.

ANY person forced to play something they don't enjoy is going to lead to an unhappy situation even if the thing you're forced into is seen as fun by others.

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You know, you're right. Yoshida's feelings matter more than the players who pay to play this game. Won't someone please think of poor Yoshi-P's feelings! It has to be fun for him above all else!

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Originally Posted by Martynek

Well, we are talking about the game director here, not just a random player. It's kinda his job to make sure that the game is fun for its intended audience.

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He's still just a person. He can't enjoy everything himself - he's a person, not some sort of multi-headed hydra with different personalities at his beck and call, that's why he has a team. That team includes at least one full raid group, which means they have at least two healers on it. Which means they have at least two people internally who play healers already. So why force Yoshida himself to do something he won't enjoy and that he isn't the target audience for when they have at least two people who clearly ARE the target audience?

Just seems like a really stupid ask.

We've genuinely reached a point where the SE white-knights say that people asking for a developer to understand the concerns with an entire role in a game and to stop dismissing their feedback and criticisms with "just play ultimate" is now a "really stupid ask."

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Originally Posted by Elesh

He's still just a person. He can't enjoy everything himself - he's a person, not some sort of multi-headed hydra with different personalities at his beck and call, that's why he has a team. That team includes at least one full raid group, which means they have at least two healers on it. Which means they have at least two people internally who play healers already. So why force Yoshida himself to do something he won't enjoy and that he isn't the target audience for when they have at least two people who clearly ARE the target audience?

Just seems like a really stupid ask.

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Because out of the players and the devs, the devs are the one who can make changes. Healers issue have been going on for 5 years now with the push for pure healing. Clearly if the complaints are still happening something is wrong in the World of Oz. I think it's well past time for a change in the Battle Team. I fully expect the Devs to get out of their comfort zones and play other roles. How else to you bring new insight and ideas? You're asking game developers not to play other games because they don't like that genre.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

He's still just a person. He can't enjoy everything himself - he's a person, not some sort of multi-headed hydra with different personalities at his beck and call, that's why he has a team. That team includes at least one full raid group, which means they have at least two healers on it. Which means they have at least two people internally who play healers already. So why force Yoshida himself to do something he won't enjoy and that he isn't the target audience for when they have at least two people who clearly ARE the target audience?

Just seems like a really stupid ask.

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He fires(replaced) the healers who can clear extremes. Probably even normal raid levels and you think he actually has healers in his raid team?(he confirmed in an interview he replaces them for getting good)

Saying he got healers in his team or that healers in general is the target audiance at this point seems like a joke then truth.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

We've genuinely reached a point where the SE white-knights say that people asking for a developer to understand the concerns with an entire role in a game and to stop dismissing their feedback and criticisms with "just play ultimate" is now a "really stupid ask."

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Asking for one developer to exclusively play a specific role for a year is not 'asking him to understand the concerns'. And THAT is a very stupid ask.

They ALREADY HAVE members of the development team who play healers. I guarantee you. 100%. And asking Yoshida HIMSELF to play every role is just ridiculous. He himself doesn't need to and there would be VERY LITTLE BENEFIT from him forcing himself to do so.

The live balance team is the group who would specifically need someone who plays healer. If you were to start a petition to ask them to ensure they have at least one member of that team who plays a healer... that would be a reasonable ask. And they probably already do.

Asking for Yoshida himself, who isn't responsible for the game's balance personally and is just one person, to do so IS A VERY STUPID ASK.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

So why force Yoshida himself to do something he won't enjoy and that he isn't the target audience for when they have at least two people who clearly ARE the target audience?

Just seems like a really stupid ask.

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Pretty sure the pair being used to fill up the healer slots don't even enjoy or main healers. They're likely also DPS players having to play a necessary role.

If they actually had dedicated healers on their team they would know just how bad of a state they've been in since 5.0.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

He's still just a person. He can't enjoy everything himself - he's a person, not some sort of multi-headed hydra with different personalities at his beck and call, that's why he has a team. That team includes at least one full raid group, which means they have at least two healers on it. Which means they have at least two people internally who play healers already. So why force Yoshida himself to do something he won't enjoy and that he isn't the target audience for when they have at least two people who clearly ARE the target audience?

Just seems like a really stupid ask.

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Just because they have enough people on the team that are content with playing healers for testing purposes does not mean that those people necessarily have a say in the design of those jobs, nor does it mean that those people enjoy playing healers. If none of the people who actively work on job design are the people who play healers for playtesting, naturally there's going to be an issue.

Separating this part into another post since it's a bit more... out there. Take it with a grain of salt.
I read through the Endwalker credits to find out just how big the job design team is, and presumably they don't solely work on job design - the nearest title that this would fit under the umbrella of would be Battle System Director/Designers. Between them, that's four people.
How much breadth of gameplay preferences can that realistically cover? Naturally there would be some slack there, some jobs that aren't given as much attention because the team can only cover so many bases. I think it's self evident where the slack was.
Again, take that with a grain of salt, I don't have deep knowledge of the specifics of game development, and I might be completely off base. But I think that the developers don't care about healers because they don't enjoy them, creating a self-feeding loop where healing gets worse because the developers don't care, and the developers don't care because healing is bad.
The team needs to be made to play healers so they can be aware of just how bad the situation is.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

Asking for one developer to exclusively play a specific role for a year is not 'asking him to understand the concerns'. And THAT is a very stupid ask.

They ALREADY HAVE members of the development team who play healers. I guarantee you. 100%. And asking Yoshida HIMSELF to play every role is just ridiculous. He himself doesn't need to and there would be VERY LITTLE BENEFIT from him forcing himself to do so.

The live balance team is the group who would specifically need someone who plays healer. If you were to start a petition to ask them to ensure they have at least one member of that team who plays a healer... that would be a reasonable ask. And they probably already do.

Asking for Yoshida himself, who isn't responsible for the game's balance personally and is just one person, to do so IS A VERY STUPID ASK.

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Really, was blm had any issues in his gameplay that lasted entire expansions?
Was it even bad to play or overly simplifies to play?

Even now, pvp blm got almost an entire patch of fixes compare to any of the other jobs with others just plain ignored...

Actions speak louder then his hollow words