Sorry, but Content deal finder again.....

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I fail to see how running through lower level instances for some quick exp is a bad thing. Running dungeons with dungeon finder to level up your character in WoW was fun and gave you something else to do then just solo grind on quests. This only gives people another way to level up which FFXIV needs.

For example my monk was in the 40s the other day, we spent 3 hours looking for a healer, the rest of the party sat in town, while I did guild leves to pass the time some exp better then none. If we had dungeon finder we would of been leveling much sooner.

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hey are going to make Cross world parties in public world content, so idk what that can inhale but it just means more instances

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I fail to see how running through lower level instances for some quick exp is a bad thing. Running dungeons with dungeon finder to level up your character in WoW was fun and gave you something else to do then just solo grind on quests. This only gives people another way to level up which FFXIV needs.

For example my monk was in the 40s the other day, we spent 3 hours looking for a healer, the rest of the party sat in town, while I did guild leves to pass the time some exp better then none. If we had dungeon finder we would of been leveling much sooner.

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I think he is referring to the ability to cross realm non instanced content, I dont see how that would be possible at all. I expect a follow up response of "due to resource limitations it will not be possible to cross realm non-instanced content"

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Originally Posted by Krausus

I think he is referring to the ability to cross realm non instanced content, I dont see how that would be possible at all. I expect a follow up response of "due to resource limitations it will not be possible to cross realm non-instanced content"

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Or they will make it instanced

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Originally Posted by Rokien

hey are going to make Cross world parties in public world content, so idk what that can inhale but it just means more instances

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They aren't allowing this read this.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...796#post631796

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Originally Posted by Camate

I'd just like to clarify one thing...

It will not be possible to use the content finder to form open-world experience point parties and such, pulling people from other worlds. It will be possible to indicate the objective "Leveling" but it will take place only in certain areas such as instanced raids.

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Which means you can only run though lower level instances as a way to level up. Not in open game world.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

I think he is referring to the ability to cross realm non instanced content, I dont see how that would be possible at all. I expect a follow up response of "due to resource limitations it will not be possible to cross realm non-instanced content"

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They're going to make everything instanced probably. Like guild wars 1.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Don't do this se ; ;
"We are structuring/looking into parts of the public world content where you can also cross worlds to setup parties aside from instances such as raid dungeons. Also the contents finder can setup parties depending on goals so it's also being planned where you can go to those contents to level up as the goal."

Thanks again reinheart

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Rokien just LOVES to take the ideas that are ACTUALLY good, and say " This sucks SE DIS WILL DAMAGE THE COMMUNITY!" When it won't do no such thing.

Where's that Simulator Version 1.0 for Rokien Again? :/

WAIT! Wait..hold on guys I just had an epiphany! A moment of clarity so eye-opening that I must share it with you all.

Try to follow me here, I know it's incredibly complex. What if, when we see a completely optional feature that we don't like, we DON'T use it? I mean I know it's really crazy but it's just crazy enough to work. If it's 100% optional, doesn't detract from my own experience and we are never forced to use it then maybe, just maybe we can ignore it. It's going to be really tough seeing people enjoying a feature I don't like but I think for the greater good of the game I can simply not use it and quit bitching.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

WAIT! Wait..hold on guys I just had an epiphany! A moment of clarity so eye-opening that I must share it with you all.

Try to follow me here, I know it's incredibly complex. What if, when we see a completely optional feature that we don't like, we DON'T use it? I mean I know it's really crazy but it's just crazy enough to work. If it's 100% optional, doesn't detract from my own experience and we are never forced to use it then maybe, just maybe we can ignore it. It's going to be really tough seeing people enjoying a feature I don't like but I think for the greater good of the game I can simply not use it and quit bitching.

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how dare you good sir!

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Originally Posted by Arcell

WAIT! Wait..hold on guys I just had an epiphany! A moment of clarity so eye-opening that I must share it with you all.

Try to follow me here, I know it's incredibly complex. What if, when we see a completely optional feature that we don't like, we DON'T use it? I mean I know it's really crazy but it's just crazy enough to work. If it's 100% optional, doesn't detract from my own experience and we are never forced to use it then maybe, just maybe we can ignore it. It's going to be really tough seeing people enjoying a feature I don't like but I think for the greater good of the game I can simply not use it and quit bitching.

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It's not optional when the game is designed around everything being instanced. The game will be DESIGNED AROUND THIS. They will make every little thing instanced that they can, and so it stands to reason that if you wanted to, you couldn't ignore that.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

It's not optional when the game is designed around everything being instanced. The game will be DESIGNED AROUND THIS. They will make every little thing instanced that they can, and so it stands to reason that if you wanted to, you couldn't ignore that.

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Exactly. These concerns arn't groundless.
This sort of feature really can be damaging.

I don't know the full details on how SE plans to implement this, but disregarding the possible dangers and ignoring how other games have severly changed from such features is not the wisest route. We need to think critically about this.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

It's not optional when the game is designed around everything being instanced. The game will be DESIGNED AROUND THIS. They will make every little thing instanced that they can, and so it stands to reason that if you wanted to, you couldn't ignore that.

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Like you even know the game is going to end up being that way.. stop talking out of your behind :/

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Like you even know the game is going to end up being that way.. stop talking out of your behind :/

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What we have so far and what we know, it sounds more and more like it

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Havn't we been told that 2.0 will receive heavy instance focous? Example being every dungeon will be instanced. The idea that the game will focous on this feature is not far from being reality.

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I like to see where this was said, because I never seen or heard them say:

" In 2.0, FFXIV will be Heavily instanced because of X reason" till you show me a state on what they say is like that. then I'll believe you till then, I won't :P

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I like to see where this was said, because I never seen or heard them say:

" In 2.0, FFXIV will be Heavily instanced because of X reason" till you show me a state on what they say is like that. then I'll believe you till then, I won't

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They didn't have to. The features and changes being done for 2.0 speak loud enough.
Asside from that, I'm almost certain Yoshi has said something about instance focous. I'd love to find it for you, but unfortunatley I'm confined to my phone, and it's not the most intuitive device for finding and coppying information. So sorry I can't be much help in that regard.

Believe me, I want to be wrong about this. I want 2.0 to be an experience as fantastic as XI was. Even more so. But crittical analysis of what's going into it is important. We shouldn't disregard skeptisism on features that have a history of drasticly altering how we interact. Even if it comes from a poster with a history of nigh daily complaints.

I'm not going to find it for you, you just have to look in the pdf files, all dungeons will be instanced.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

- Shopeshae
- Muy-Tuy Cellars
- Tam-Tam
- Cassiopiea These are just zones...
- Nanawan Mines
- Copperbell Mines


~ Most Job Quests are open world (But have instanced fights)
~ Grand Company Quests - Of which contain mostly instanced fights.
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if you missed my big petition starlord

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nced-dungeons.

Don't forget escorts, behests, hamlet defense coming in, NMs (although some are in current open world dungeons), leves (arguably), seasonal events, the PVP stuff coming in 2.0, etc.

You anti-instance crybabies are so jaded, you literally don't see any of the open world content that is available now, and you hate "instances" with such a passion that you've become completely irrational. You are hating on every last bit of instancing, even when it makes sense and including leve instancing which happens in the overworld map, where it's almost f**king identical to non-instanced mob fighting, right down to random players being able to jump in and help you if they wished to.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I'm not going to find it for you, you just have to look in the pdf files, all dungeons will be instanced.

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That doesn't mean all content will be instanced. They can still have open world bosses, NMs, strongholds, hamlet defense, etc. Someone said they are turning this into Guildwars that's hyperbole to the extreme.

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Originally Posted by ThePatriarch

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Apperently you don't play much of this game do you?

~Any "Area" that has a tunnel like atmoshpere, is CONSIDERED a dungeon end of story
~Only the Final Fights are Instanced ( which is fine they SHOULD be)
~Grand Company Quest,are not all instanced, only a "Select few are"

This game is not mostly Instanced, I'm sorry

idk they could even turn hamlet defense into an instanced content with what they are saying about cross world open world content. and other things.

idk a few things doesn't sit well with me.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

They didn't have to. The features and changes being done for 2.0 speak loud enough.
Asside from that, I'm almost certain Yoshi has said something about instance focous. I'd love to find it for you, but unfortunatley I'm confined to my phone, and it's not the most intuitive device for finding and coppying information. So sorry I can't be much help in that regard.

Believe me, I want to be wrong about this. I want 2.0 to be an experience as fantastic as XI was. Even more so. But crittical analysis of what's going into it is important. We shouldn't disregard skeptisism on features that have a history of drasticly altering how we interact. Even if it comes from a poster with a history of nigh daily complaints.

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Just because there is content finder, DOESN'T MEAN EVERYTHING WILL BE INSTANCED.

Exactly, you have zero proof of this, till you show me proof of such logic and words, then I will resume this conversation thank you.

I swear people these days mumble mumble rabble rabble

Nothing sits well with you, Rokien. You b***h about everything that would make this game fun to play.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Apperently you don't play much of this game do you?

~Any "Area" that has a tunnel like atmoshpere, is CONSIDERED a dungeon end of story(going to be instanced
~Only the Final Fights are Instanced ( which is fine they SHOULD be)(no CC/ AV/DH)
~Grand Company Quest,are not all instanced, only a "Select few are" Key word there, lots of the story is instanced, you go into an instanced area.

This game is mostly Instanced, I'm sorry

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Leves are instanced(mobs)
Lots of quests are instanced(go into instanced area)
Dungeons will all soon be instanced!
Open world might soon be instanced with cross server play
Most of their future content is going to be instanced(just look at the pdf)
Few open world things here and there.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Nothing sits well with you, Rokien. You b***h about everything that would make this game fun to play.

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Please give a list of things that prevent you from having fun that I don't want.

Things I don't want:
Heavy instanced
Bad Community
Instant airship
Anima<insert another way of teleportation here(I just don't want anima)>
Instant Boat ride
Aggro indicator
Exact level of mobs
Level sync
Content Finder
Speed runs

I don't see how any of those prevent you from having "FUN"

All those things just make the game easier, and we have found out easy=/=fun

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Originally Posted by Rokien

if you missed my big petition starlord

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nced-dungeons.

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But thats the thing, MOST of the game is Non-Instanced, though I agree most of the game should be non-instanced, however, I fail to see the current game as it stands to be Mostly Instanced. See Posted related to what is Instanced and what it not post.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Apperently you don't play much of this game do you?

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I stopped reading there.

If you would like to further attempt to make points, please try to do them without petty assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Leves are instanced(mobs) (as they should be or people will invade your Privacy)
Lots of quests are instanced(go into instanced area) "Wrong there"
Dungeons will all soon be instanced! " Yeah show me that statement, because the 2- or three people that say that fail to give me a source"
Open world might soon be instanced with cross server play "Nothing in that statement encourages Instanced content"
Most of their future content is going to be instanced(just look at the pdf) "Looking at the PDF's Does not indicate anything about anything being instanced not one thing"
Few open world things here and there.

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"Again do you really know ANYTHING that 2.0 is going to be?"

People overreact over the littlest things, and then when its launched people say " well, this is better than expected"

Rokien, just stop causing a scene from every little thing, because nothing that was said indicates that most of 2.0 (or even 1.xx) will be instanced nothing.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Please give a list of things that prevent you from having fun that I don't want.

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Let's see, quick 1 minute list:

Instanced Dungeons/End-game content
Content Finder
2nd homepoint at inn
Anima
New leveling/combat system
In-city teleports/aether
Death penalty that doesn't take you an hour per death to get over

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Originally Posted by ThePatriarch

I stopped reading there.

If you would like to further attempt to make points, please try to do them without petty assumptions.

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Because its the truth, if you don;t know that a cave/tunnel is a Dungeon then I don't know what to tell you.. must not play MMO's much

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Please give a list of things that prevent you from having fun that I don't want.

Things I don't want:
Heavy instanced
Bad Community
Instant airship
Anima<insert another way of teleportation here(I just don't want anima)>
Instant Boat ride
Aggro indicator
Exact level of mobs
Level sync
Content Finder
Speed runs

I don't see how any of those prevent you from having "FUN"

All those things just make the game easier, and we have found out easy=/=fun

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lmao, you literally just listed every single improvement that this game has made over the last year and a half. Improvements that turned it from a steaming pile of $80 crap, into something that's playable and enjoyable.

You are a joke.

Open world content:
-Guildleves
-Behest
-Strongholds (Adding in an Imperial Stronghold according to 1.22 list.)
-NM's (A lot more in 2.0)
-Odin Primal (Dev's said he is an open world primal fight in 2.0.)
-Hamlet Defense
-Escort
-Gathering
-Adding in the big time beastmen strongholds in 2.0 like Davoi was to FFXI.

Instanced:
-Story related content
-Dungeons
-Primals
-PvP

Is saying there isn't enough open world content a valid statement? Because I believe it is false.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Because its the truth, if you don;t know that a cave/tunnel is a Dungeon then I don't know what to tell you.. must not play MMO's much

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Man, there is alot to do in Nanawa Mines.

Good lord! Copperbell is just overflowing with exciting content.

While you are at it, you may as well include all the random small caves throughout all maps. Those are definitely dungeons too. Lots to do inside them, man. Walls to look at. I surely hope 2.0 brings more of these.

You just prove yourself how lacking FFXIV's open world content is when you have to include zones. Last I check CopperBell mines, was a mine, not a dungeon. I also think that Nanawa Mines, is a Mine.

Make more assumptions of what games I play. While you are at it please tell me the lottery numbers for next week.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Open world content:
-Guildleves
-Behest
-Strongholds (Adding in an Imperial Stronghold according to 1.22 list.)
-NM's (A lot more in 2.0)
-Odin Primal (Dev's said he is an open world primal fight in 2.0.)
-Hamlet Defense
-Escort
-Gathering

Instanced:
-Story related content
-Dungeons
-Primals
-PvP

Is saying there isn't enough open world content a valid statement? Because I believe it is false.

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Don't worry, you're going to get some some s**tty logically invalid bulls**t thrown at you in about 30 seconds to show you how EVERYTHING IN THE GAME IS BEING INSTANCED OMG

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Let's see, quick 1 minute list:

Instanced Dungeons/End-game content
Content Finder
2nd homepoint at inn
Anima
New leveling/combat system
In-city teleports/aether
Death penalty that doesn't take you an hour per death to get over

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LOLOLOLOL
"Please give a list of things that prevent you from having fun that I DON'T want."
Anyways I'm all for instanced content and end game, bring it!
Content finder from previous games were terrible
It makes you don't have to choose, "Do I wanna set hp here or keep it at x area" decisions are good in a game.
Anima ya it's a terrible system I'm for teleportation though
Ya, I want a more intuitive combat system
I said I wouldn't be against it IF the cities were in zones
Ya makes ya work harder not to die.

No you are a joke

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Open world content:
-Guildleves
-Behest
-Strongholds (Adding in an Imperial Stronghold according to 1.22 list.)
-NM's (A lot more in 2.0)
-Odin Primal (Dev's said he is an open world primal fight in 2.0.)
-Hamlet Defense
-Escort
-Gathering

Instanced:
-Story related content
-Dungeons
-Primals
-PvP

Is saying there isn't enough open world content a valid statement? Because I believe it is false.

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Aside from Dungeons, those 3 things SHOULD be instanced. There are certain things that just won't work at all in an open-world setting. And saying that the leve mobs are Instanced.. While that is true, Guildleves itself are Not instanced, you have to go through open-world to get to those leve mobs, and they give you privacy so no one can interfere.

These few people that are claiming 2.0 or the current version is a Instanced friendly game, are really out of it.. like seriously.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Open world content:
-Guildleves(instanced)
-Behest(instanced)
-Strongholds (Adding in an Imperial Stronghold according to 1.22 list.)
-NM's (A lot more in 2.0)(more could be instanced with this content finder)
-Odin Primal (Dev's said he is an open world primal fight in 2.0.)
-Hamlet Defense(could be instanced with this content finder)
-Escort(instanced, could be even more so)
-Gathering
-Adding in the big time beastmen strongholds in 2.0 like Davoi was to FFXI.

Instanced:
-Story related content
-Dungeons
-Primals
-PvP

Is saying there isn't enough open world content a valid statement? Because I believe it is false.

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We can only prepare for the worst, that is what I'm doing./

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Originally Posted by ThePatriarch

Man, there is alot to do in Nanawa Mines.

Good lord! Copperbell is just overflowing with exciting content.

While you are at it, you may as well include all the random small caves throughout all maps. Those are definitely dungeons too. Lots to do inside them, man. Walls to look at. I surely hope 2.0 brings more of these.

You just prove yourself how lacking FFXIV's open world content is when you have to include zones. Last I check CopperBell mines, was a mine, not a dungeon. I also think that Nanawa Mines, is a Mine.

Make more assumptions of what games I play. While you are at it please tell me the lottery numbers for next week.

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They are Dungeons end of story, Anything thats not in the " open world setting" is a Dungeons, Mines are a dungeon too

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Just my look on it.
Positives:
-No more having to wait around forever to have a party.
-Able to enter content much more quickly
-Fantastic for people with bussy lives who just want to get in a quick run


Negatives:
-Anyone who dosn't use it will have even more trouble finding a local party.
-Could be damaging to a server comunity when all you do is play with people you may never see again.
-Beurocratic in nature, it can take away from the idea of the world as alive by being overly systematic and mechanical.
-More push towards instanced quick content could mean a push away from long term chalenges and open world content

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This is pretty much my view on it and personally for me the negatives far outweigh the positives.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

This is pretty much my view on it and personally for me the negatives far outweigh the positives.

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Yep yep agreed!