Punishing divas who jump ship before a dungeon even begins.

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

While I agree with pretty much all you said, I can't agree with this.
THERE IS NO FRACTAL IN THE EXPERT ROULETTE! </rage>
I got Neverreap EVERY SINGLE DAY for the last week and a half! FUCK YOU SE! If I have to carry one more totem, I'm going to snap!

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Its more like Alwaysreap, lol.
One day i wanna try ignoring Totems and having the tank gather em up for an AoE blast. Might be faster than dropping DPS to move totems only to have to deal with that one that always sneaks through close to the end.
They have bugger all HP, So one day I'll give it a shot.

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Originally Posted by Amberyl

And that was a sensible solution to XI's wasteland-beginner-experience, and worked well at release +6 months. It still worked well at release +1 year, but was beginning to get tiresome. Now, it's just a dumb way of approaching the game, as is layering even more vertical gear progression, when you bottom end hasn't budged.

At some point, it makes sense just to have a cut off, and start from scratch. You can't be in a situation like XI were a new player is perhaps a year or so of grind behind cap. Nor can you have a situation where someone who's been playing the game for three years is still being asked to run lvl 15 Sastasha. You've gotta bite the bullet at some point.

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The roulette makes low level queues no worse than high level queues. Thats a pretty fair achievement on its own. Yes, it does suck as an old veteran to run some of the easiest content in the game again, but the tomes you get (Or XP if you're leveling a new job) make it worth sucking it up for a 30~ minutes.
The only improvement to the Roulette System i would like to see is for it not to dump a party full of 60s into Tam Tara normal, lol. It probably just needs an automatic provision to avoid dropping those parties into super low level content.
That alone would greatly reduce the frequency of getting those initial dungeons.
But at the end of the day, The Roulette is just going to keep on trucking into the next few expansions, picking up more dungeons to add to the pool as you go. RNG says then you should see less of the really low content.

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Originally Posted by CarnivalNights

It's not part of my curriculum to teach random new players how to play the game. Don't force this on me SE. I'm tired of it.

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You are not being forced. Roulettes are voluntary.

I like the idea that if you leave, you lose the roulette bonus for the day. If you get kicked you should get to keep the bonus, but I am in favor of stopping the kick beggers somehow. Maybe make it impossible to kick someone who is offline and make them auto-leave within 3-5 minutes and get a 30 minute penalty. :D Kick beggers who stay online and afk can be reported and if they do it often, enjoy the ban!

You know what happened in WoW when they added a time penalty to getting kicked? My experience was that kick abuse didn't increase but the number of people begging for kicks and doing ridiculous fake dc's has been completely diminished.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Except by hitting that Roulette button you literally just agreed to help someone level a new job or to get a newbie their first clear.

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By hitting the "Leave Duty" button you therefore break your agreement to run the content while accepting the games punishment rules.

So just curious, do you want SE to remove the option to leave the dungeon completely? Also remove your ability to logout? Oh, and if you force shutdown or pull out your internet it will destroy your computer so you can't do that either?

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Originally Posted by Miste

By hitting the "Leave Duty" button you therefore break your agreement to run the content while accepting the games punishment rules.

So just curious, do you want SE to remove the option to leave the dungeon completely? Also remove your ability to logout? Oh, and if you force shutdown or pull out your internet it will destroy your computer so you can't do that either?

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I also want them to drop a tactical nuke on your house from orbit.

In seriousness, the DF lockout system is fine for deterring most people from abandoning ship for no good reason.
Though i would like it to be expanded into a stacking "strike" system, the more often you abandon Duties the longer that lockout gets. Resetting weekly, not daily. Though with a cap.

If couldn't tell, i hate ragequitters. Just do the content you just signed up for!
But hey, If you want to ragequit out of easy dungeons, I'll try to convince you not to but i can't/won't force you to stay. All i can do is ask you not to screw 3 other people out of their time.
In the end, I'll just get the replacement and finish it before you get your next queue anyways. /shrug

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Originally Posted by Miste

By hitting the "Leave Duty" button you therefore break your agreement to run the content while accepting the games punishment rules.

So just curious, do you want SE to remove the option to leave the dungeon completely? Also remove your ability to logout? Oh, and if you force shutdown or pull out your internet it will destroy your computer so you can't do that either?

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I'd say if someone leaves the group on you, you should have the option to vote to remove commendations.

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Originally Posted by Amberyl

You could be hit by a bus tomorrow. Do you really want to waste another hour of your life waiting for newcomers to learn the mechanics in Aurum Vale?

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You evidently want to waste another hour of your life sitting in front of a computer (or TV) playing games or reading and posting on forums instead of out and enjoying the world with friends and family. Never know when that bus will get you.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Well then, maybe you shouldn't use the feature that will randomly give you something you hate doing.
I enjoy DD, I also enjoy AV. Funnily enough, I like them as both tank and healer.

I always laugh at people who would rather eat a 30 minute lockout than complete a dungeon that takes 30~ minutes to complete at worst. Even with new people.

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I enjoy them as well. Already sold 2 full stacks of Morbol cards from AV. I wish I knew how many hundreds of runs I have gone through there.

The main problem with AV can usually be centered around the tank. Bad pulls and trying to sneak past mobs. Just have to know especially the first room what can be safely pulled how and where depending on your party makeup. Have melee DPS? You really need to pull farther back so they have plenty of room to do their thing without agroing more mobs. About to pull a frog? Ask your healer for Stoneskin or Adloq to negate the tongue pull. Trying to sneak past mobs? It may be clear for you, but with no communication, by the time the laggers behind you see what you are doing and move, that mob may have turned just enough to spot them and cause a train wreck.

Like you said, even doing a full clear, letting all pods spawn for that extra exp, it usually doesn't take 40 minutes. Again, that really largely depends more on the tank and healer than the dps.

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Originally Posted by Amberyl

Predisposed bias. So your contribution really doesn't help, does it? How about you chip in when we're discussing something you don't like, and then perhaps you can see both sides of the argument, rather than just being dismissive?

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Ok. I can't do certain dungeons due to my internet. Do I do any Roulette that has them? No. Not worth my frustration or anyone I am grouped with. I hate FATEs and Hunts. Do I do them to level up, perhaps quicker than dungeon grinding, or getting tomes faster than other Roulettes or dungeon grinding? No. I stay away from them.

So, does my contribution help?

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Originally Posted by Sylve

RNG says then you should see less of the really low content.

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Supply and demand says that, you mean? And yes, that's the theory. Less people come in at lvl 1, we see less of these really old instances in the Roulettes. Except even now, the game is attracting tonnes of new players, and will probably continue to do so well into next year, (because the monster that is PS4 sales, because brand recognition recovering, because WoW is haemorrhaging numbers, because it's a damn good game, etc.)

How much longer do we keep the status quo? Surely it makes sense just to cut the fat at some point, and rejig progression? If completing ARR and HW is going to be mandatory to enter the next expansion, you're talking about putting a casual player a good twenty to thirty mandatory instances behind everyone else. That's just getting silly. I know HW was light on mandatories at launch, but by the time the 3.xx patches have run their course...?

Look, I don't like these two dungeons just as much as the next guy but tomes is tomes. Just do it and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by Amberyl

You can't be in a situation like XI where a new player is perhaps a year or so of grind behind cap. Nor can you have a situation where someone who's been playing the game for three years is still being asked to run lvl 15 Sastasha. You've gotta bite the bullet at some point.

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Personally I think they should steal a page from WoW's PVP queue and allow you to pick only two dungeons to blacklist. That way you have at least a little bit of choice over what you don't want to see if you're particularly tired of seeing something.

That, or they should apply a scaling gil/tomestone bonus depending on the difference between your level and the level of the dungeon, similar to how the EXP bonus scaling works.

If people leave when they want to, I'm happy. I don't wanna play with people who don't wanna be there. That aside, the wait for replacing people or requeueing is painful a bit.

But oh well, why punish them? They already get a 30 minute lockout. What else should they do? Ban them? We play this game at will. At best all someone should get is a time out? How do you even punish someone in a video game?

You might need to research a way to punch someone through the internets. I would be very interested.