I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

They'd need to completely redo their philosophy behind encounters to be, dare I say, more WoW-like by having constant significant damage on the tanks and/or party instead of it always coming in predictable spikes for the current healing kits to make much sense.

I have basically zero confidence they're going to bother tuning the incoming damage in 7.x to properly account for the new tools healers will get, though.

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One new single target oGCD at 96, one new AOE oGCD at 100, glare 4 and holy 4 10 potency upgrade at 92, maybe another healing magic potency trait at 95

Pls look forward to it

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

They'd need to completely redo their philosophy behind encounters to be, dare I say, more WoW-like by having constant significant damage on the tanks and/or party instead of it always coming in predictable spikes for the current healing kits to make much sense.

I have basically zero confidence they're going to bother tuning the incoming damage in 7.x to properly account for the new tools healers will get, though.

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I'm not so sure that the game systems of XIV would support the attrition style healing of WoW. Also, large amounts of damage constantly incoming would risk further making regen healers useless and emphasising mitigation even more as king.

I think the best solution would be to increase incoming damage to a moderate amount while cutting down the amount of healing we have.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

One new single target oGCD at 96, one new AOE oGCD at 100, glare 4 and holy 4 10 potency upgrade at 92, maybe another healing magic potency trait at 95

Pls look forward to it

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Not true, we already had potency increases on our filler in EW, DT is going to be the DoT trait expansion. Dia II, Biolysis II, Combust IV and Eukrasian Dosis II, please look forward to it. :)

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Not true, we already had potency increases on our filler in EW, DT is going to be the DoT trait expansion. Dia II, Biolysis II, Combust IV and Eukrasian Dosis II, please look forward to it. :)

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Indeed. Along with a healing pot upgrade in Enhanced Healing magic @85. WHM could possibly get an Afflatus mastery trait that will upgrade all their lily skills, including Misery. I'd put good money down on SGE getting an Icarus upgrade allowing for two charges, and an upgrade to Pneuma reducing its cooldown to 90s.

SCH will be interesting considering the response it got during the job actions for EW, which then ended up getting one of the best new skills in the game. However, if the trailer shows them summoning Feo Ul, the cheers will be heard on a global scale. Such an eccentric and unpredictable job.

Everyone is already chomping at the bit to see what they are going to do with AST cards for round 4, Or is it 3? I don't know. I lost count.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Indeed. Along with a healing pot upgrade in Enhanced Healing magic @85. WHM could possibly get an Afflatus mastery trait that will upgrade all their lily skills, including Misery. I'd put good money down on SGE getting an Icarus upgrade allowing for two charges, and an upgrade to Pneuma reducing its cooldown to 90s.

SCH will be interesting considering the response it got during the job actions for EW, which then ended up getting one of the best new skills in the game. However, if the trailer shows them summoning Feo Ul, the cheers will be heard on a global scale. Such an eccentric and unpredictable job.

Everyone is already chomping at the bit to see what they are going to do with AST cards for round 4, Or is it 3? I don't know. I lost count.

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Summoning another Demi is quite possibly tje worst thing they could do with SCH and I think the only cheers would come from people who don’t really play SCH

The hardcore SCH community has wanted seraph deleted since day one, I don’t think another Demi is going to elicit any sort of positive reaction from them

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

They'd need to completely redo their philosophy behind encounters to be, dare I say, more WoW-like by having constant significant damage on the tanks and/or party instead of it always coming in predictable spikes for the current healing kits to make much sense.

I have basically zero confidence they're going to bother tuning the incoming damage in 7.x to properly account for the new tools healers will get, though.

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I actually like XIV healers specifically because every job in this game is expected to contribute to DPS in significant ways, no matter the role. Which is why I loved Cleric Stance stance dancing because it added some complexity without the need of many different DPS buttons and still made every fight and healing with another healer extremely unique and dynamic in DF/PF. Since that won't be coming back, having more complex DPS rotations for this game's healing philosophies makes more sense. I think the people who just want to be heal slaves and do nothing else are a minority, which is good because doing more damage is more fun.

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Originally Posted by Mithron

I actually like XIV healers specifically because every job in this game is expected to contribute to DPS in significant ways, no matter the role. Which is why I loved Cleric Stance stance dancing because it added some complexity without the need of many different DPS buttons and still made every fight and healing with another healer extremely unique and dynamic in DF/PF. Since that won't be coming back, having more complex DPS rotations for this game's healing philosophies makes more sense. I think the people who just want to be heal slaves and do nothing else are a minority, which is good because doing more damage is more fun.

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Exactly, healers being accomplished casters in their own right (hell they literally compete for the top spots in AOE damage) is good design; I don’t want to be a heal slave for the DPS main characters

The problem comes from how boring the damage profile is on modern healers, I’m fine still only doing about 50-60% of the damage of the true DPS, but I’d like to achieve that in a more interesting way than spamming broil

Yeah...for how much DPS XIV's healers actually contribute their offensive kits are painfully limited compared to a lot of other games that follow the "heals first" mentality, which feels rather anomalous.

Moreso when the devs keep insinuating that they wanted healers to be focused on healing yet most of their casts in a given encounter are going to be their two offensive buttons.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Exactly, healers being accomplished casters in their own right (hell they literally compete for the top spots in AOE damage) is good design; I don’t want to be a heal slave for the DPS main characters

The problem comes from how boring the damage profile is on modern healers, I’m fine still only doing about 50-60% of the damage of the true DPS, but I’d like to achieve that in a more interesting way than spamming broil

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I'd be perfectly happy if they went in either direction. Keep the kit as is and make people take so much damage that I'm actually needed or make healers more like tanks with a single target and AoE rotation with heals on the side. At the moment we have the kit for the former but the playstyle of the latter and it doesn't match up.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Summoning another Demi is quite possibly tje worst thing they could do with SCH and I think the only cheers would come from people who don’t really play SCH

The hardcore SCH community has wanted seraph deleted since day one, I don’t think another Demi is going to elicit any sort of positive reaction from them

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You took my comment far more serious than what was intended. Lighten up. This thread is from Aug and one of many others to add to all the solutions to fix healers.

On a more serious note. SCH's been my main since I started playing the game back in 2015. Fey glamour has been heavily requested for a very long time, especially after SMNs got egi glamour, and increased further in ShB with the implementation of the Pixies, Feo Ul and Titania. It has zero to do with Seraph or their other skills, and the silly quest they gave us to glamour Eos into Carbuncle or Selene was like a spit in the face.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Yeah...for how much DPS XIV's healers actually contribute their offensive kits are painfully limited compared to a lot of other games that follow the "heals first" mentality, which feels rather anomalous.

Moreso when the devs keep insinuating that they wanted healers to be focused on healing yet most of their casts in a given encounter are going to be their two offensive buttons.

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Yep.

Even when having to vomit gcd heals every mech bc people stand in stupid and co healer isn't contributing after running out of ogcd resources, there's still broil taking 50% ish of all my casts just to rub it in.