Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

Has any healer out there ever had the satisfaction of being in the Red Girl fight and being able to use healer lb3 to immediately scrape their parties off the floor, and then having the other two surviving healers do the same?

Well I found that out today in a Breach run. Replaced a healer that left at the start and got to use it, with the other two alliances following suit. The same people who constantly died by not doing mechanics went back onto the floor almost immediately afterwards though.

'Twas a glorious sight.

Had a DRG in Antitower saying "gotta love one aoe ability for dragoon at lvl 60 lol" (doom spike)
"Don't you have 2 more AoE skills?"
"Dragonfire and Geirskokul? 30 secs and 2 minute cds though"

Sage staring at their 45 sec cd Phlegma: ...

Happened earlier this year.

Some people from my static at the time decided to run Aglaia. We get to the last boss, I don't remember what happened exactly (I think a tank left?) and we went ahead and pulled because why wait? The Alliance that was missing the tank all either stood outside the arena or killed themselves upon being stuck in the arena and had a massive rage fit at the rest of the alliance for two team pulling, telling us to just wipe so they can participate. Guess what, they were unneeded and got to sit there while we 16 manned the whole fight with zero problems. Was pretty funny.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

Has any healer out there ever had the satisfaction of being in the Red Girl fight and being able to use healer lb3 to immediately scrape their parties off the floor, and then having the other two surviving healers do the same?

Well I found that out today in a Breach run. Replaced a healer that left at the start and got to use it, with the other two alliances following suit. The same people who constantly died by not doing mechanics went back onto the floor almost immediately afterwards though.

'Twas a glorious sight.

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Red Girl is one of the most fun fights as a healer, there is always chaos there and moving around while avoiding 2 shots or even 1 shots. Tankbusters hurt a lot and always end up using most of my resources

Well...just finished a Leveling Roulette where I got Halatali, and after the first pull, the healer went offline. Didn't realize it until after I started the next pull(was on DRK). Of course I died, but the NIN and DNC finished them off. We decided to take it slow, and finished the dungeon with no heals.

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Originally Posted by Jettinson

Red Girl is one of the most fun fights as a healer, there is always chaos there and moving around while avoiding 2 shots or even 1 shots. Tankbusters hurt a lot and always end up using most of my resources

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It's cause people do CT so often that any other raid people die because there are...

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mechanics

People aren't use to bosses that don't melt down in 3 minutes.

Just got out of a leveling roulette run that threw me into Ravel. Had a PLD WHM NIN RDM setup, I was on WHM.

This PLD I had:
-Had aug. scavean, I can work with that.
-Was mass pulling while relying almost entirely on Shelltron, with Rampart and Sentinel barely used. Hmm.
-Never touched Reprisal and Arm's Length the entire dungeon. *narrows eyes*
-Would Clemency himself when he wasn't in danger of dying on the trash pull before the second boss.
-Would pop Hallowed Ground to stop me from Holy spamming. Like literally two major pulls that would benefit the most from having Holy spam at the start then using tank invuln, he would invuln at the start after taking a ton of damage. This hurt my WHM Holy feelings.
-Had two tank jobs at 90. Surely he didn't toss all of his tank leveling gear...right? Could've used that extra bit of defense so he could dps more.

I felt offended when he spammed Clemency on that pull. Only hp that matters is that last one, my good PLD. Please stop using that. I'm not dead. You're not dead, and neither are the dps. Please just stahp.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

-Had aug. scavean, I can work with that.
-Was mass pulling while relying almost entirely on Shelltron, with Rampart and Sentinel barely used. Hmm.
-Never touched Reprisal and Arm's Length the entire dungeon. *narrows eyes*

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Yeah, I really don't get the growing trend of only using the bare basic cooldown and expecting it to carry you. Especially when your gear is grazing the bare minimum levels of acceptability. Then you die and you blame the healers... But let me let you in on a secret: healers can't heal stupidity.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

-Would Clemency himself when he wasn't in danger of dying on the trash pull before the second boss.
I felt offended when he spammed Clemency on that pull. Only hp that matters is that last one, my good PLD. Please stop using that. I'm not dead. You're not dead, and neither are the dps. Please just stahp.

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Because of course. People who spam Clemency always think that using it at 90% health is the most optimal case. To the point where I just view Clemency overall as the worst button in the game because of how much it promotes bad habits.
Not even Freecure Fishers are this bad. My overall feelings on it, knowing darn well Deveryn is looking at the comment with squinty eyes, is that people who do this are about as trashy as the trash mobs.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

-Would pop Hallowed Ground to stop me from Holy spamming. Like literally two major pulls that would benefit the most from having Holy spam at the start then using tank invuln, he would invuln at the start after taking a ton of damage. This hurt my WHM Holy feelings.
-Had two tank jobs at 90. Surely he didn't toss all of his tank leveling gear...right? Could've used that extra bit of defense so he could dps more.

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Either they did, or they did the same thing on their other tanks and levelled them up with paltry gear. I don't know which is worse.

Regardless, I feel you. I hope you had at least more than one commendation for hard carrying the guy.

I only got one piece of candy out of the whole deal, even after waiting out loot rolls at the end.

I once had a completely normal leveling roulette but decided to come and post here anyways to ridiculize other people to make myself feel better.

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Originally Posted by Minarisweet

I once had a completely normal leveling roulette but decided to come and post here anyways to ridiculize other people to make myself feel better.

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Someone's mad.

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Originally Posted by Minarisweet

I once had a completely normal leveling roulette but decided to come and post here anyways to ridiculize other people to make myself feel better.

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Did it work? Do you feel better? Cause sometimes sharing your stories and hearing other people have run into similar issues really can make you feel better. You arent alone, you arent crazy, some people just do inexplicable/crazy/amazing/stupid things.

On topic. I had a run a few days ago(maybe last week?) that i kinda wanted to share, but just never got around to typing up. Trials roulette into Castrum Marinum(Emerald). Both healers are new, but dont say anything. Pull starts, and they both drop to the first spin-cycle(if you dont know its coming, that can be a rough one to deal with). I dont remember the DPS, but i know we didnt have a SMN or RDM so no reses on the table. Everyone keeps going(i think i remember a "whoops" in chat). The fight has a lot of stretches of no raidwide/only avoidable damage going out, so we make good progress. We're losing DPS, but very slowly. When we hit the phase transition there was a bit of a sigh of relief. But the fight keeps going, and it seems the tanks and DPS still standing(yes, i was still up at this point) have challenged themselves to win the entire fight without healers. And we honestly might have, but one of the tanks screwed up their mitigation at around 30%(by this point it was 2 tanks me and one other DPS still standing) and fell. They were soon followed by the other DPS, and in the end me and the lone tank could only get the fight to about 10% before we were out of resources. The healers? They were cheering us on and seemed impressed how long we could go without help. No ridicule, no name calling. Pulled again, and 4 mins and 0 deaths later everyone was congratulating each other and going on their way. I hope those healers enjoyed the rest of the Werlyt story. You guys did fine other then getting caught in one bad mech you didnt know(or ask) about.

Ridorana: A tank tried to hassle me (SMN) for using LB3 on math bot because it was low dps. I said it's not EX/Savage, so it doesn't matter that much. (Apparently I'm toxic. Oh well) Meanwhile, I must've cast rez over a dozen times between there and the boss, so I definitely wasn't the reason for the low dps. He stopped talking nonsense after he had the final boss all the way north to cleave everybody and I called him on that. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Ridorana: A tank tried to hassle me (SMN) for using LB3 on math bot because it was low dps. I said it's not EX/Savage, so it doesn't matter that much. (Apparently I'm toxic. Oh well) Meanwhile, I must've cast rez over a dozen times between there and the boss, so I definitely wasn't the reason for the low dps. He stopped talking nonsense after he had the final boss all the way north to cleave everybody and I called him on that. :rolleyes:

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If melee wasn't going to get on that then yeah...totally LB the boss. A full LB meter unused is about as useful as an empty one.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

If melee wasn't going to get on that then yeah...totally LB the boss. A full LB meter unused is about as useful as an empty one.

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yeah, the bar was full and we were in math mode, so there was time for someone to do something.

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Posting on behalf of my friend. I think this is exactly the sort of mentor I dislike, at least personally. It's a level 73 dungeon, you're pulling for the tank without even seeing if they'll pull big themselves, you're nannying everything instead of just giving an off-handed headsup when they fail, and OFC ganging up with your pocket healer against the person who speaks even a little against your attitude. And of course, snarking against YPYT probably because you got carp for pulling mercilessly and min-maxing a levelling dungeon earlier.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

yeah, the bar was full and we were in math mode, so there was time for someone to do something.

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Are people really complaining about free damage? -._.` What, if the melee had LB'd sooner, which would have been more optimal, would he have complained about it too? It's going to reset on Yiazmat anyway, I doubt it'd have hurt.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Posting on behalf of my friend. I think this is exactly the sort of mentor I dislike, at least personally. It's a level 73 dungeon, you're pulling for the tank without even seeing if they'll pull big themselves, you're nannying everything instead of just giving an off-handed headsup when they fail, and OFC ganging up with your pocket healer against the person who speaks even a little against your attitude. And of course, snarking against YPYT probably because you got carp for pulling mercilessly and min-maxing a levelling dungeon earlier.

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-_- Zodiark Mentor. Because of course it would be... All they do all day is argue semanthics and what constitutes a violation of the ToS. You post something to help a sprout out, they start talking about how you can't enforce a playstyle on people. And that's when they're not giving a lv 30 Arcanist tips on lv 90 endgame rotations. Because that's totally what's going to help them understand Scholar at that level.

Besides, YPYT may be toxic, but so too is saying "Oh an enabler, don't be like X person!". Especially when the tank is clearly new and figuring his stuff out. Most of the time they haven't gotten a proper grasp of what they can pull, what mitigation to use and have a hard time keeping tabs on the stuff they have around them.

Levelling roulette today was a fun one.

Ended up with a party of German players - one with a UDS weapon, no less - in the ToB who were so hellbent on taking every conceivable form of avoidable damage available I almost felt compelled to call a hotline, because evidently they were more than tired of living.

The tank was actually a mentor to boot, despite having some of the most miserable positioning and pulling attempts I've ever seen, and I spent the majority of the run throwing Afflatus on cooldown and had to predominantly rely on Medica and even Cure III to save them all before the unavoidable damage got to them first.

Of course, they were at least very polite, and I got some nice comms at the end of my run.

Ha! Just kidding. They ran through the entire thing in silence, rolled for every piece of loot and left without a word. Joy!

Had two amazing roulette runs to push my WAR to 90, one in a good way and the other in a funny one.

1. Mt. Gulg: SGE healer, MCH and SAM DDs (one of them was a mentor). We were absolutely flying through the dungeon, barely any mistakes and all hearty pulls - even the infamous 3 packs right before the last boss. It was so great, SGE never let me die, and WAR is just so much fun with Holmgang and self heals. We killed the last boss before she phased for a second time, something which doesn't happen too often for me.

2. Castrum Fluminis. Most of the roulette queuers were perhaps expecting something in the level 50 range and got a nasty surprise. Deaths at the very first Shiva AoEs set the scene for what was to come, with multiple deaths and healers alternating dying. At phase 3 it was for sure a scuffle with the gimmick mechanic of managing New/Full Moon stacks, and the AST kept dying to that. I was main-tank, and since I've grown to expect harder Trials I was somewhat prepared and managed not to screw up. At the last moments everyone expect me and the off-tank were alive, and our health was gradually slipping too. My Equilibrium and Raw Intuition were on CD, and Tsukuyomi was at 2% or so.
LB3 was filled.
We were both at 20%.
She was about to let out a raid-wide.
I thought quickly... and pressed the Limit Break.
BAM! We took no damage, and took care of her.

Was exciting. I've never gotten to press Tank LB until now.

I had a moment in Expert Roulette today. The Fell Court of Troia. Had a SMN, RPR, and WAR. The WAR had so much healing that they just kept on using Nascent Flash on me and I didn't need to heal jack squat. I felt terrible. I felt useless. I wanted to literally get out of there asap. All I did was DoT and spam my AoE, or spam my single target attack during boss.
The party members cheered on how fast the run was. I was literally dying inside on how useless I felt as a healer. I had the urge to just quit the dungeon midway because I really didn't need to cast a single heal at all, other than feeling like I'm pretending to do something with my role. I felt like a leech to this party. I usually just brush this feeling off and telling myself this is normal due to gear ilvls, but when the WAR starts using Nascent Flash on me even when everyone was topped off... burning their cds for no apparent reason... and I still didn't need to heal.. it felt disgusting.
I felt disgusting.
I don't ever want to touch Expert Roulette as a healer ever again. I need to take a break from the role.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

I had a moment in Expert Roulette today. The Fell Court of Troia. Had a SMN, RPR, and WAR. The WAR had so much healing that they just kept on using Nascent Flash on me and I didn't need to heal jack squat. I felt terrible. I felt useless. I wanted to literally get out of there asap. All I did was DoT and spam my AoE, or spam my single target attack during boss.
The party members cheered on how fast the run was. I was literally dying inside on how useless I felt as a healer. I had the urge to just quit the dungeon midway because I really didn't need to cast a single heal at all, other than feeling like I'm pretending to do something with my role. I felt like a leech to this party. I usually just brush this feeling off and telling myself this is normal due to gear ilvls, but when the WAR starts using Nascent Flash on me even when everyone was topped off... burning their cds for no apparent reason... and I still didn't need to heal.. it felt disgusting.
I felt disgusting.
I don't ever want to touch Expert Roulette as a healer ever again. I need to take a break from the role.

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Playing with warriors as your tank at endgame with WHM and AST can feel that way but remember healers contribute dps as well so no you were not useless at all, even if that two button rotation is all you(more appropriately, healers.) have.

Might I recommend taking Scholar and Sage for a spin? Those classes basically slap shields on your teammates regardless of how much health they have and shields always break before HP loss. In a situation like that, Sage would be more fun because you put "Eukrasis Diagnosis" shield or (however its spelled) on the tank, the shield pops, gives you an addersting, and then spend the addersting on an aoe attack called "Toxicon"
The playing mentality is different for shield healers because you must preshield your teammates before mechanics, raidwide aoes, and tankbusters resolve.

So all these boss fights you're familiar with, go back and play them all on Scholar and Sage. It's an interesting experience.

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Originally Posted by Reclusegamer

Playing with warriors as your tank at endgame with WHM and AST can feel that way but remember healers contribute dps as well so no you were not useless at all, even if that two button rotation is all you(more appropriately, healers.) have.

Might I recommend taking Scholar and Sage for a spin? Those classes basically slap shields on your teammates regardless of how much health they have and shields always break before HP loss. In a situation like that, Sage would be more fun because you put "Eukrasis Diagnosis" shield or (however its spelled) on the tank, the shield pops, gives you an addersting, and then spend the addersting on an aoe attack called "Toxicon"
The playing mentality is different for shield healers because you must preshield your teammates before mechanics, raidwide aoes, and tankbusters resolve.

So all these boss fights you're familiar with, go back and play them all on Scholar and Sage. It's an interesting experience.

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Agreed that you will preshield as a sage, However you will still be spamming dosis for a very large part of the run. There isn't much difference really, and if anything some people find selecting cards makes it a small amount more interesting, but all healers likely are reduced to spamming a couple of DPS skills and using a few OGCDs when there is a competent WAR.

A freestyler SAM and Diagnosis-bot in Dohn Mheg. My alt on her BRD probably groaned as many as she casted Quick Nock in that 29 minute run. On the bright side, I think Shadowbite proc'ed like crazy too...or maybe that's just because I nocked too quickly...

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

[...]I don't ever want to touch Expert Roulette as a healer ever again. I need to take a break from the role.

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I will never get bored of repeating this: we're only there because Duty Finder says we have to be in order to start the roulette.

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Originally Posted by Reclusegamer

Might I recommend taking Scholar and Sage for a spin? Those classes basically slap shields on your teammates regardless of how much health they have and shields always break before HP loss. In a situation like that, Sage would be more fun because you put "Eukrasis Diagnosis" shield or (however its spelled) on the tank, the shield pops, gives you an addersting, and then spend the addersting on an aoe attack called "Toxicon"
The playing mentality is different for shield healers because you must preshield your teammates before mechanics, raidwide aoes, and tankbusters resolve.

So all these boss fights you're familiar with, go back and play them all on Scholar and Sage. It's an interesting experience.

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Unfortunately, that 'playing mentality' isn't going to differ between regen vs barrier healers. While pre-shielding is a thing, outside that specific situation they are generally going to avoid casting their GCD heals/shields as it is their last line of defense. Majority of those GCDs are filled by being pseudo, weaker DPS. This doesn't even need a competent WAR to see it happening. Take any 3 other players that's competent enough to not stand in bad (or at least try not to), then suddenly none of those GCD heals are needed.

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I had a moment in Expert Roulette today. The Fell Court of Troia. Had a SMN, RPR, and WAR. The WAR had so much healing that they just kept on using Nascent Flash on me and I didn't need to heal jack squat. I felt terrible. I felt useless. I wanted to literally get out of there asap. All I did was DoT and spam my AoE, or spam my single target attack during boss.
The party members cheered on how fast the run was. I was literally dying inside on how useless I felt as a healer. I had the urge to just quit the dungeon midway because I really didn't need to cast a single heal at all, other than feeling like I'm pretending to do something with my role. I felt like a leech to this party. I usually just brush this feeling off and telling myself this is normal due to gear ilvls, but when the WAR starts using Nascent Flash on me even when everyone was topped off... burning their cds for no apparent reason... and I still didn't need to heal.. it felt disgusting.
I felt disgusting.
I don't ever want to touch Expert Roulette as a healer ever again. I need to take a break from the role.

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People always groan about this, but I bet they've never run into the WARs that don't know how to properly use their kit.

Or to add to this, they've also probably never had the misfortune to run into DPS that take forever to clear trash, or healers that are incapable of doing any dps at all.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

People always groan about this, but I bet they've never run into the WARs that don't know how to properly use their kit.

Or to add to this, they've also probably never had the misfortune to run into DPS that take forever to clear trash, or healers that are incapable of doing any dps at all.

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I've run into all of this. I never know what I'm going to run into, so I'm grateful for those times when I can chill and do a basic rotation.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

People always groan about this, but I bet they've never run into the WARs that don't know how to properly use their kit.

Or to add to this, they've also probably never had the misfortune to run into DPS that take forever to clear trash, or healers that are incapable of doing any dps at all.

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Uh, I'd wager they've probably come across all of those, as most of us with any experience in the game have at some point, but burning through mobs a little more quickly isn't much comfort when another job has been optimised so "well" it makes your own more or less redundant.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Uh, I'd wager they've probably come across all of those, as most of us with any experience in the game have at some point, but burning through mobs a little more quickly isn't much comfort when another job has been optimised so "well" it makes your own more or less redundant.

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Correct. When my group does experts, we queue with three DPS and a tank because a healer just isn't needed. As a healer main, that freaking sucks. Having job design as such that optimized gameplay/gear makes me unnecessary is really frustrating. It's not just WAR either, I've had to solo the final boss of Troia twice, from like 20% or so, at literally no risk to myself as GNB. A boss in current content shouldn't be so unthreatening that an entire roll can be removed at no risk to the party. It's honestly an extension of the current situation around healers in general.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Correct. When my group does experts, we queue with three DPS and a tank because a healer just isn't needed. As a healer main, that freaking sucks. Having job design as such that optimized gameplay/gear makes me unnecessary is really frustrating. It's not just WAR either, I've had to solo the final boss of Troia twice, from like 20% or so, at literally no risk to myself as GNB. A boss in current content shouldn't be so unthreatening that an entire roll can be removed at no risk to the party. It's honestly an extension of the current situation around healers in general.

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It's very disheartening, and unfortunately as a WHM main I've just come to accept that feeling clunky and obsolete is often a part of the experience. Had SE not turned my other class into a My First Caster experience, which actually manages to outdo the tedium of being relegated to a glorified Stone/ Glare Mage in most content, I likely wouldn't even bother. But ironically, since the oversimplification and homogenisation of the other classes, the unpredictability healing at least offers is the only place I can find any potential fun in the game anymore.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Correct. When my group does experts, we queue with three DPS and a tank because a healer just isn't needed. As a healer main, that freaking sucks. Having job design as such that optimized gameplay/gear makes me unnecessary is really frustrating. It's not just WAR either, I've had to solo the final boss of Troia twice, from like 20% or so, at literally no risk to myself as GNB. A boss in current content shouldn't be so unthreatening that an entire roll can be removed at no risk to the party. It's honestly an extension of the current situation around healers in general.

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But on the other side you get in DF expert where the healer has a 100% regen uptime and demand's smaller pulls because he can not keep the tank alive with cure1 while the tank is not using CDs, standing in avoidable DMG and the other DPS is single target attacking.

Yea, I left that group after a wipe at the first boss and never entered as a DPS again.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

The WAR had so much healing that they just kept on using Nascent Flash on me and I didn't need to heal jack squat. I felt terrible. I felt useless. I wanted to literally get out of there asap. All I did was DoT and spam my AoE, or spam my single target attack during boss.

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It's not even WAR. Any good tank barely needs healing in Troia.

As a Sage my favorite Expert runs are 1 healer and 3 dps. You can still wall pull and do quite a good bit of dps with no tank at all, but at least you need to press heal buttons. Other fun games are when our dps like to see if they can keep full uptime on the DoT from the wall on the last boss, or stacking 4 spread markers together. Needless to say, Troia is a joke.

Did Leveling Roulette the other day and I can't remember the dungeon...it was the one where the final boss is fought on a platform and summons adds you have to kill or they march across the platform and lay traps down.

Anyway as soon as we start...the DNC partners the other DPS and apparently that DPS thought the DNC had cooties cause they leave immediately. After the first mob set I told DNC to shift partner to the tank. After that it was just a very smooth run. Never got another DPS in which was odd. The funny thing is even though it was still smooth...it actually felt better being a DPS down. Kinda makes me want to do dungeons with just one of each role type from now on.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Did Leveling Roulette the other day and I can't remember the dungeon...it was the one where the final boss is fought on a platform and summons adds you have to kill or they march across the platform and lay traps down.

Anyway as soon as we start...the DNC partners the other DPS and apparently that DPS thought the DNC had cooties cause they leave immediately. After the first mob set I told DNC to shift partner to the tank. After that it was just a very smooth run. Never got another DPS in which was odd. The funny thing is even though it was still smooth...it actually felt better being a DPS down. Kinda makes me want to do dungeons with just one of each role type from now on.

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Sounds like the dungeon was Fractal Continuum by the description of the last boss fight, which is an optional dungeon so that could be why it didn't refill.

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Originally Posted by Veranolth

Sounds like the dungeon was Fractal Continuum by the description of the last boss fight, which is an optional dungeon so that could be why it didn't refill.

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Yeah that was it. I had that thought too but the group I was with actually enjoyed it just being the three of us.

Ran into this tank that was running around in a set of level 20-30 gear which at best is 17 levels under the dungeon we're in. I think they were an alt because they clearly knew the route(they neatly pulled the first pull straight into the corner of the first boss room, did the same for the second), but between the gear and the lack of mitigations they got shredded. If I wasn't playing sage, they'd have died multiple times(SCH could probably handle it too). Had to pop all 3 druochloes immediately from the first pull and spam e-diagnosis. The magical toolbox that mister Yoshi P. says I'm not supposed to have say that they used Rampart an amazing 0 times the whole dungeon.

Don't really get people like that. This is why ARR dungeons need to have some gear level caps or something.

Healer (used loosely) in Cutter's Cry. We're marching through the room after the first boss toward the shifting sands and I notice too late that the group stayed behind to fight the optional enemies. After pointing out that the sands can be taken, one DPS defensively mentions people not being aware of that (without specifying who). While this claim is acceptable, it was somewhat inhibited by three factors: the group continued to ignore the sands and whittle away (with a SMN there to help raise), there were no first-timers, and everyone pretty much aced the eye mechanics in the last fight, which is pretty rare.

Edit: same role and duty the next day, only now a DPS goes on ahead to trigger the second boss so everyone can warp in.

This happened a couple of days ago but for some reason I keep remembering it. And it makes me go ??? every time. We don't get many "lovely" experiences in DF on Cerberus.

Friend (WHM) and I (DRK) queue for levelling roulette and get Tower of Babil. Cool. Our two dps were a sprout RDM doing this for the first time and a mentor DNC. Everything goes relatevely well until the first boss. The lil sprout quickly learns the mechanics and proceeds to do almost everything correctly. The mentor, on the other hand, kept getting hit by every single mechanic and dying. They died 3 times on the first boss alone. It was so ironic to us we actually got a good chuckle out of it. Till it stopped being funny for the other bosses. Not only did it seem like they were going out of their way to die (because I can't imagine someone consistently screwing up so much) but they also appeared to have no idea how to play dancer. Absolutely never used Technical Step and waited approx. 10-20 seconds to use standard step after it falls off as a buff. The run still went somewhat fast thanks to the RDM knowing what they're doing and the holy/glare/misery spam but damn.

At this point I am convinced the mentor icon is a red flag.

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Originally Posted by Deryth

This happened a couple of days ago but for some reason I keep remembering it. And it makes me go ??? every time. We don't get many "lovely" experiences in DF on Cerberus.

Friend (WHM) and I (DRK) queue for levelling roulette and get Tower of Babil. Cool. Our two dps were a sprout RDM doing this for the first time and a mentor DNC. Everything goes relatevely well until the first boss. The lil sprout quickly learns the mechanics and proceeds to do almost everything correctly. The mentor, on the other hand, kept getting hit by every single mechanic and dying. They died 3 times on the first boss alone. It was so ironic to us we actually got a good chuckle out of it. Till it stopped being funny for the other bosses. Not only did it seem like they were going out of their way to die (because I can't imagine someone consistently screwing up so much) but they also appeared to have no idea how to play dancer. Absolutely never used Technical Step and waited approx. 10-20 seconds to use standard step after it falls off as a buff. The run still went somewhat fast thanks to the RDM knowing what they're doing and the holy/glare/misery spam but damn.

At this point I am convinced the mentor icon is a red flag.

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Similar to that one time I ended up on a Mentor that didn't know how to do Snowcloak mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Reclusegamer

Playing with warriors as your tank at endgame with WHM and AST can feel that way but remember healers contribute dps as well so no you were not useless at all, even if that two button rotation is all you(more appropriately, healers.) have.

Might I recommend taking Scholar and Sage for a spin? Those classes basically slap shields on your teammates regardless of how much health they have and shields always break before HP loss. In a situation like that, Sage would be more fun because you put "Eukrasis Diagnosis" shield or (however its spelled) on the tank, the shield pops, gives you an addersting, and then spend the addersting on an aoe attack called "Toxicon"
The playing mentality is different for shield healers because you must preshield your teammates before mechanics, raidwide aoes, and tankbusters resolve.

So all these boss fights you're familiar with, go back and play them all on Scholar and Sage. It's an interesting experience.

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Agreed, but Healer dps rotation are.... non-existant, not really fun to play in time like these. Their whole kit is based around healing, so why making it so the content require them to dps when they lack a 1-2-3 rotation?

to be fair, mentors like that just stick out more than others and because of that they stick in your memory... especially with all the memes going around. mentors are just players like you and me. some are silent, some are helpful and some are a load of shit.

Ran Zodiark Normal on my alt as a BRD to progress through her MSQ.

Istg the two healers (WHM+AST) in that party made me wish I did not decide to stick to BRD for the entirety of her EW MSQ journey (for semi-RP’ing purpose). Homie already weren’t dpsing—just healing—and still manage to screw healing through Styx stacks. And what do you know… the DNC & double WAR in the party carried the party through.

Zodiark itself is already bafflingly pitiful and still… just…how..???

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

Similar to that one time I ended up on a Mentor that didn't know how to do Snowcloak mechanic.

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Not all older player have ran the post 6.1 patch version of Snowcloak so I think it’s normal to see experienced and inexperienced alike to screw up… to certain degree. The same applies to other similarly adjusted dungeons.