Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

I think it's interesting that people are more concerned about hairstyles than hats. We have virtually no hat options and that's including signature hats like AF hats *Cough* Red Mage. Like would it be that time-consuming for their art team to spend a week picking the most iconic hats and creating Viera versions of them?

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Originally Posted by Sequora

I think it's interesting that people are more concerned about hairstyles than hats. We have virtually no hat options and that's including signature hats like AF hats *Cough* Red Mage. Like would it be that time-consuming for their art team to spend a week picking the most iconic hats and creating Viera versions of them?

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The reason why I'm not mentioning hats as often is because it gets boring having the same people quote me saying "Viera are SUPPOSED to be a limited race get over it we have more important issues like the ques/removing gender lock"

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

The reason why I'm not mentioning hats as often is because it gets boring having the same people quote me saying "Viera are SUPPOSED to be a limited race get over it we have more important issues like the ques/removing gender lock"

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Sounds like an idiot if I ever heard one. (Them, not you.)

Hat issue is a result of lack of time, and at this point, developer laziness, not an intended feature. There's no excuse since modders have figured it out by now before the devs have.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Sounds like an idiot if I ever heard one. (Them, not you.)

Hat issue is a result of lack of time, and at this point, developer laziness, not an intended feature. There's no excuse since modders have figured it out by now before the devs have.

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I have this little fantasy that once the guy who is doing that hatmod is finished, SE will just buy it from him....

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Sounds like an idiot if I ever heard one. (Them, not you.)

Hat issue is a result of lack of time, and at this point, developer laziness, not an intended feature. There's no excuse since modders have figured it out by now before the devs have.

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This has more to do with allowing the items to actually show on Viera / Hrothgar than adjusting it to the body, most of the gear scales with the body on its own, Highlander, Midlander, Miquote, Viera, all share the same body model, just with different scaling proportions.

Having the ears clip through the helmets or hats isn't such a big problem at all
https://i.imgur.com/vhHdRAa.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Qazg7vJ.jpg

Honestly, it's probably not just the clipping, but the hat hair as well that they'd have to do. If they don't promise headgear, it's less work.

We have had discussions about hats a long time ago, I think people are just annoyed with the hairs now because for some reason they decided on THOSE specific hairs when people have been wanting all the others for a long time. And now there is no telling when any other will be added. We can no longer trust that they will actually give us what they say.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

We have had discussions about hats a long time ago, I think people are just annoyed with the hairs now because for some reason they decided on THOSE specific hairs when people have been wanting all the others for a long time. And now there is no telling when any other will be added. We can no longer trust that they will actually give us what they say.

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True, many times. I am not a quiet disgruntled viera player, and have been a part of those discussions. I do wonder what their criteria was when choosing hairs, was it just at random? I can understand the Snow/Lightning hair at least. Why ponytail specifically, etc.? There is no telling. It just seems we will get what we get when we get it. That's about it. No saying which hairs or not. Kind of sucks, but that's how it is for viera players.

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Originally Posted by Tatiana

I was really hoping the Both Ways hairstyle was gonna be one of the ones they ported over, too :( I hope it's coming because it's one of my favourites.

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You and me both! It's a great looking style, and is also great for avoiding clipping with many tops.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

True, many times. I am not a quiet disgruntled viera player, and have been a part of those discussions. I do wonder what their criteria was when choosing hairs, was it just at random? I can understand the Snow/Lightning hair at least. Why ponytail specifically, etc.? There is no telling. It just seems we will get what we get when we get it. That's about it. No saying which hairs or not. Kind of sucks, but that's how it is for viera players.

You and me both! It's a great looking style, and is also great for avoiding clipping with many tops.

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I think they prioritized ones that were probably easier to implement than others, also different styles might be more popular in other regions than in ours and they probably factor that in as well because they said they prioritized these due to them being high demand and I really almost never see anyone wearing most of them. There's also probably some consideration for if they were a grind to get, such as Controlled Chaos.

Can anyone guide me how to get new Viera hairstyles introduced in 6.0?

I hope they eventually add the remaining hairstyles for viera... I never cared about hats so that doesn't bother me. Also, I think now every new hairstyle they introduce will be compatible with viera by default.

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Originally Posted by Gurutobe

Can anyone guide me how to get new Viera hairstyles introduced in 6.0?

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"Scanning for Style" and "Battle-ready Bobs" can be obtainable from either the Tower at Paradigm's Breach from the last loot roll; or can be bought off the market board (This is the 9S and 2B hairstyles)

"Ponytails" can be obtained from the Gold Saucer, I think for a few thousand MGP, 8k if I remember correctly, don't really know for sure.

"Pulse" is obtainable from the Mogstation from buying either the Lightning Attire or Snow Attire. If you gender change with fantasia, the hairstyle changes depending on male or female.

"Controlled Chaos" is obtainable from Ishgard Restoration, or you can just buy it off the market board.

Hope this helps! c:

They're allowing hrothgar to change hairstyles in 6.1, correct?

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Originally Posted by Rawr18

They're allowing hrothgar to change hairstyles in 6.1, correct?

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They said they were looking into addressing that, but that's the last thing I remember hearing about it.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

They said they were looking into addressing that, but that's the last thing I remember hearing about it.

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No, we're definitely getting more hairs in 6.1. I just hope they look into the fantasia issue...or Im raising hell if its not addressed....

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Originally Posted by Akimori

No, we're definitely getting more hairs in 6.1. I just hope they look into the fantasia issue...or Im raising hell if its not addressed....

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The fantasia issue is what I was assuming the person I was responding to was talking about. lol But yeah, they SAID Hrothgar would get new hairstyles around then, but I'm still keeping my expectations low. I want to play Hrothgar, but not with how little they have to offer.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

The fantasia issue is what I was assuming the person I was responding to was talking about. lol But yeah, they SAID Hrothgar would get new hairstyles around then, but I'm still keeping my expectations low. I want to play Hrothgar, but not with how little they have to offer.

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Aahh forgive me. That was my misunderstanding. Terrible sorry

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

The fantasia issue is what I was assuming the person I was responding to was talking about. lol But yeah, they SAID Hrothgar would get new hairstyles around then, but I'm still keeping my expectations low. I want to play Hrothgar, but not with how little they have to offer.

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I hope by "new hairstyles" they mean actually new hairstyles [my pipe dream is someday they add that rejected 'Sokka' hair] but to have the current ones unlocked to the other faces is still quite the step forward, specially if the fantasia fiasco is being revised.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I hope by "new hairstyles" they mean actually new hairstyles [my pipe dream is someday they add that rejected 'Sokka' hair] but to have the current ones unlocked to the other faces is still quite the step forward, specially if the fantasia fiasco is being revised.

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Me too. I hope it will be Hrothgar-only hairstyles since so many hairstyles that are available for the other races will clash with the Hrothgar's head I think. A lot of them already don't look good on males, especially Roegadyn and Highlanders

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

But yeah, they SAID Hrothgar would get new hairstyles around then, but I'm still keeping my expectations low.

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I think it's best for everyone to keep their expectations in check on this one. Hrothgar's hair nonsense is even tied to their face features options, they literally made Middies pay $10 for a single new face to have stubble as default.
I legit have no clue how they're gonna address this, and the only solutions I can stitch together in my mind would be hilariously on brand for their handling of these races. (As in "Make a brand new Hrothgar head that's shaped in a way that allows it to use shared hairstyles in its fur pattern tab". I'm interested in seeing what they do, cause that seems like something they would do at this point)

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

I think it's best for everyone to keep their expectations in check on this one. Hrothgar's hair nonsense is even tied to their face features options, they literally made Middies pay $10 for a single new face to have stubble as default.
I legit have no clue how they're gonna address this, and the only solutions I can stitch together in my mind would be hilariously on brand for their handling of these races. (As in "Make a brand new Hrothgar head that's shaped in a way that allows it to use shared hairstyles in its fur pattern tab". I'm interested in seeing what they do, cause that seems like something they would do at this point)

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Oof but definitely plausible!

I used fantasia last night, but haven't actually gone through with switching yet. The option is there on my login page for when 6.1 drops.
I am tired of the lack of options compared to the other races: lack of hairstyles and headpieces, badly implemented hairs and headpieces. I wouldve traded the customizable ears for the ability to have all hairstyles and headgear.
I dont want floating bows or tiaras or having to pick the flattest hairstyle because the others clip so badly with the few headpieces we get.
I love my viera and I feel sad about leaving her but a great part of my gameexperience is playing with looks/glams :(
Sorry, just a sad rant :(

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I dont want floating bows or tiaras or having to pick the flattest hairstyle because the others clip so badly with the few headpieces we get.

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I was wondering if the ribbons float miles away from the back of the head on other races too, but I rarely see anyone wear any.

Tried Viera and the simple fact that not even
NEW hats don't show is sad. Just a no for me lol.
It's hard to get over the lack of headgear for me to play them tbh.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I was wondering if the ribbons float miles away from the back of the head on other races too, but I rarely see anyone wear any.

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I think my frustration started growing alot around the eden raids when the headgear clipped really badly with 80% of the few hairstyles viera had. I really started feeling like I was being robbed of experiencing the same fun as others. I know people say that au ra horns clip but Ive played au ra and I have not really experienced this to be that big of an issue with them and even then, au ras have access to all headgear and hairstyles anyways so it doesnt really bother as much since they can be way more versatile.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I used fantasia last night, but haven't actually gone through with switching yet. The option is there on my login page for when 6.1 drops.
I am tired of the lack of options compared to the other races: lack of hairstyles and headpieces, badly implemented hairs and headpieces. I wouldve traded the customizable ears for the ability to have all hairstyles and headgear.
I dont want floating bows or tiaras or having to pick the flattest hairstyle because the others clip so badly with the few headpieces we get.
I love my viera and I feel sad about leaving her but a great part of my gameexperience is playing with looks/glams :(
Sorry, just a sad rant :(

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I'm just trying to stop using fantasias altogether. All it is doing is rewarding SE for keeping viera as limited as they are. I had meant to stop around the start of ShB, but I got annoyed with the viera limitations, and since then I have spent hundreds in fantasias just going back and forth off them. There is no incentive for SE to really fix the issues (quickly at least), if they are getting more money not too - this includes hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I think my frustration started growing alot around the eden raids when the headgear clipped really badly with 80% of the few hairstyles viera had. I really started feeling like I was being robbed of experiencing the same fun as others. I know people say that au ra horns clip but Ive played au ra and I have not really experienced this to be that big of an issue with them and even then, au ras have access to all headgear and hairstyles anyways so it doesnt really bother as much since they can be way more versatile.

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The clipping for au ra is mostly just bad if you like wearing helmets, but I'd say they are better than miqo'te even when it comes to hats. The simple fact that they aren't limited has been the deciding factor for me playing them over viera in the past. The big issue with viera and the headgear that works, is probably the big, puffy, styles, so the headgear will either float, or clip with many alternative styles. Unfortunately, they have so few hair options, that it can be difficult to find something that works with those headpieces. I do hope viera will be updated more frequently over time, new hairstyles are a must for this race.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

Tried Viera and the simple fact that not even
NEW hats don't show is sad. Just a no for me lol.
It's hard to get over the lack of headgear for me to play them tbh.

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SE actually did make all of the Tower hats work

As expected, they look fine on Hrothgar (if not a bit large) ... looks utterly trash on Viera. Wonder if most people realize that all the headgear in that Dng works on them ... I'm the only Viera I've seen wear those hats.

Makes sense though, these are dress up dolls to people and most people playing Viera prob don't want to make a vaguely Soviet military hat a part of their glam. They want the straw hats and Red Mage hats and other cute/ pretty things that will show hair.
SE should hire me, coulda told them years ago that people woulda been fine with "long eared Miqote" instead of going for full Fran Viera if they could only make hats that take away all the hair "work" on them.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Wonder if most people realize that all the headgear in that Dng works on them ... I'm the only Viera I've seen wear those hats.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

looks utterly trash on Viera

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GEE WHIZZ, I wonder why no one wears them if they look trash?

Good to see you're back to your old tricks though, where you're the only one that truly appreciates Viera and everyone else is just playing Barbie's Dream House. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

SE actually did make all of the Tower hats work

As expected, they look fine on Hrothgar (if not a bit large) ... looks utterly trash on Viera. Wonder if most people realize that all the headgear in that Dng works on them ... I'm the only Viera I've seen wear those hats.

Makes sense though, these are dress up dolls to people and most people playing Viera prob don't want to make a vaguely Soviet military hat a part of their glam. They want the straw hats and Red Mage hats and other cute/ pretty things that will show hair.
SE should hire me, coulda told them years ago that people woulda been fine with "long eared Miqote" instead of going for full Fran Viera if they could only make hats that take away all the hair "work" on them.

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They went for the easiest route just letting ears clip through. I'm fine with it to be honest, is not that glaring of bad. At least is better than not having them at all.

However it irks me that there are a TON of old headgear like bandanas, turbans, the calfskin cap, some simpler hats that could have the ears just clip through without issue at all, and would look better than those hats.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

They went for the easiest route just letting ears clip through. I'm fine with it to be honest, is not that glaring of bad. At least is better than not having them at all.

However it irks me that there are a TON of old headgear like bandanas, turbans, the calfskin cap, some simpler hats that could have the ears just clip through without issue at all, and would look better than those hats.

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Because they would actually have to rework our hair for those other hats you mentioned and they don't seem to want to do that, clearly they don't mind ears clipping so it has to be the hair.

Like you said it looks fine but the only reason the Tower hats show up for us is because they remove the entire hairstyle, we already had working headgear that does that so it's hardly news-worthy or deserving of a round of applause that they "made it work".

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Originally Posted by Raikai

They went for the easiest route just letting ears clip through. I'm fine with it to be honest, is not that glaring of bad. At least is better than not having them at all.

However it irks me that there are a TON of old headgear like bandanas, turbans, the calfskin cap, some simpler hats that could have the ears just clip through without issue at all, and would look better than those hats.

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It is because those hats replace the hair. That is why they work. And also look bad. The turbans and bandanas would force SE to make viera hat hair, and they have no interest in that.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'm just trying to stop using fantasias altogether. All it is doing is rewarding SE for keeping viera as limited as they are. I had meant to stop around the start of ShB, but I got annoyed with the viera limitations, and since then I have spent hundreds in fantasias just going back and forth off them. There is no incentive for SE to really fix the issues (quickly at least), if they are getting more money not too - this includes hrothgar.

The clipping for au ra is mostly just bad if you like wearing helmets, but I'd say they are better than miqo'te even when it comes to hats. The simple fact that they aren't limited has been the deciding factor for me playing them over viera in the past. The big issue with viera and the headgear that works, is probably the big, puffy, styles, so the headgear will either float, or clip with many alternative styles. Unfortunately, they have so few hair options, that it can be difficult to find something that works with those headpieces. I do hope viera will be updated more frequently over time, new hairstyles are a must for this race.

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I had two fantasias left from last time I bought a bunch when I was happily trying out new things. But I agree. I don't want to buy more fantasias since the money for them obviously arent going into making viera be on par with the other races (not to mention Hrothgars).

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

It is because those hats replace the hair. That is why they work. And also look bad. The turbans and bandanas would force SE to make viera hat hair, and they have no interest in that.

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Oh I see... I forgot that they would need the "hat friendly" version of the hair underneath, which one would suspect they didn't make, at least for the unique base hairstyles.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I had two fantasias left from last time I bought a bunch when I was happily trying out new things. But I agree. I don't want to buy more fantasias since the money for them obviously arent going into making viera be on par with the other races (not to mention Hrothgars).

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At least you won't have to spend even more over this issue then. I do wonder what that money is going into, because, yeah, it's definitely not this. If it takes them until the very end of ShB to even consider adding hair for viera. Pretty much the whole concept of them making a limited race, having a severe issue like with hrothgar, and taking this long to even do something about it is too much. Who knows if the thing with hrothgar will even be fixed. New hairs could just mean more things they have to fantasia to use!

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

At least you won't have to spend even more over this issue then. I do wonder what that money is going into, because, yeah, it's definitely not this. If it takes them until the very end of ShB to even consider adding hair for viera. Pretty much the whole concept of them making a limited race, having a severe issue like with hrothgar, and taking this long to even do something about it is too much. Who knows if the thing with hrothgar will even be fixed. New hairs could just mean more things they have to fantasia to use!

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Im not expecting anything. Alot of things have been underwhelming so far in terms of aesthetics. The ribbon that you need 800gems for are undyable and floats, the crafted red one as well, the sharlayan hairwreath isnt dyable either and costs 800 gems, the hairstyles they gave to viera look mostly terrible and hrothgar got no updates in that department (will they even get it?), alot of gear from the last expansion was reused and not even shifted around amongst the jobs which means we barely got any new gear to play around with glamourwise.

I don't get why they don't just give viera all(or atleast the most) of the hairstyles you can unlock and use for other races. I mean sure they have the bunny ears(then again Mi'qote have cat-ears, and they still can use all hairstyles) but it's not THAT hard to re-adjust the hairstyles so that they work for viera. It take some effort sure but why not release a couple of them each patch? Or work on them during a long period of time and release them all in bulk? It's been a long time since shadowbringers released. They have had plenty of time to fix it if they truly wanted to. Finally giving us like 5 of them is just not enough.

Does any other male viera feel like the sprint animation is weird?
Has this been talked about?

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Originally Posted by NyannCat

Does any other male viera feel like the sprint animation is weird?
Has this been talked about?

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What's "wrong" with it?

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Originally Posted by NyannCat

Does any other male viera feel like the sprint animation is weird?
Has this been talked about?

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Apart from getting used to a different race with different animations, the sprint animation looks fine to me. ;)

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Originally Posted by NyannCat

Does any other male viera feel like the sprint animation is weird?
Has this been talked about?

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It's based off of the hyur run, which admittedly does have a weird outward throwing of the knee joints.
But, being a former Elezen, there is nothing worse than the Elezen run. Or for that matter the female Hyur run so I'll take it lol.