Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

I need Viera to be tol ladies, pls. Taller than their male counterparts, at least for one clan.

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I totally said this earlier :'D

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

I would also be okay with the Viera women being taller than the male Viera

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But they absolutely need to be the masculine versions (which I think would add to the awesome of the males being shorter than their amazonian female counterparts). I really like the fact that rabbits are thought as gentle, fluffy prey-like critters, but Viera are totally BA warriors.


I would totally be okay if they had like... two clans of Viera (even though I'm pretty sure white haired Viera & dark haired Viera are two separate clans in FF12) where one is adult and powerful looking, etc. (as shown in the first post's example), with the second clan being lalaesque. Both of best worlds, yenno? For people who want to play adult, cool looking viera, they can. If they want to play childlike fluffy viera they can. Although, that is asking a LOT so, can we just have the ff12 versions, plz?/bats lashes


I really don't feel comfortable playing kid-like models, so I really hope they don't go for the cute version if it's just one version. I don't even like how they look (and, personally, I just love Viera cuz I fell in love with Fran when I was a little girl. XD I just want the Viera I've always known and loved.)

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

I need Viera to be tol ladies, pls. Taller than their male counterparts, at least for one clan.
Plus who doesn't wanna see some cute shortie boys running all over the place with bunny ears and a little butt floof?

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Think I stated this earlier in here, female rabbits are a bit bigger than male rabbits. That is all.

I hope they add the Viera like on the presented concept sheet shown to us before 4.0

I'd love to have Viera as a playable character ♥

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Originally Posted by Nestama

My main issue with Viera is that they're just not unique in design and it doesn't help we got Au Ra first (even less so after seeing the concept art). Humans with animal parts. So fascinating.

I'll give them a pass if SE can release them with their 'beast feet,' as that could mean SE might be able to make beastmen races playable someday, but if they can't do that, then I'll hate them as much as I hate the Au Ra :T

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I never understood why unique always has to mean crazy different. You can have a 'human with animalparts' and still have it be unique relative to the other races through their lore, build, and mannerisms without also giving them weird feet, snouts or wings made of goldfishscales or something. At least thats how I see it.
But I guess uniquenness, like many things, is in the eye of the beholder. *shrug*

(As for the Beastman as playable races, while I see why some people may want that I personally don't think thats ever gonna happen. Not because of technical reasons, but simply because the games lore and Story are not set up for that possibility. And I don't see SE wanting to fiddle around with that)

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

I need Viera to be tol ladies, pls. Taller than their male counterparts, at least for one clan.
Plus who doesn't wanna see some cute shortie boys running all over the place with bunny ears and a little butt floof?

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

But they absolutely need to be the masculine versions (which I think would add to the awesome of the males being shorter than their amazonian female counterparts). I really like the fact that rabbits are thought as gentle, fluffy prey-like critters, but Viera are totally BA warriors.

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I know they'll likely do so anyway, but can we maybe not suggest SE to take the easy way out again? I'd really like them to go all out for once and put the work in by giving us both versions they've shown us.
Rather then just giving us Reverse-Au Ra...

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

I would totally be okay if they had like... two clans of Viera (even though I'm pretty sure white haired Viera & dark haired Viera are two separate clans in FF12) where one is adult and powerful looking, etc. (as shown in the first post's example), with the second clan being lalaesque. Both of best worlds, yenno? For people who want to play adult, cool looking viera, they can. If they want to play childlike fluffy viera they can. Although, that is asking a LOT so, can we just have the ff12 versions, plz?/bats lashes

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Actually there were 3 Subtribes of Viera. The Veena (light, mostly white-silver hair), the Rava (darker hair, though they never specified whether the colour is natural or not) and later on they introduced the Feol (shorter stature and ears, usually blond hair). Sounds familiar, doesn' it? Tall amazonesses and a shorter, more childish variation?
I also don't think its asking a lot of SE to do both. More like asking them to do their jobs and make use of the concepts they introduced. If they wanna keep the Subraces they may as well actually make them different rather then simply making them paletteswaps and writing two descriptions and then calling it a day.
I mean, the whole Subrace-thing is wasted as is; just look at Elezen: So the supposedly cave-dwelling Duskwights, for some reason, are still as just as tall as their Wildwood brethren, rather then being, dunno, shorter and more stocky(?not sure this is the right word?), like you'd expect a cavedweller to look like usually. Think FFX's Guado for reference. But no; pallette swap... I'd like to avoid that for the Viera.

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Originally Posted by ArcaneCarbuncle

I never understood why unique always has to mean crazy different. You can have a 'human with animalparts' and still have it be unique relative to the other races through their lore, build, and mannerisms without also giving them weird feet, snouts or wings made of goldfishscales or something. At least thats how I see it.
But I guess uniquenness, like many things, is in the eye of the beholder. *shrug*

(As for the Beastman as playable races, while I see why some people may want that I personally don't think thats ever gonna happen. Not because of technical reasons, but simply because the games lore and Story are not set up for that possibility. And I don't see SE wanting to fiddle around with that)

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It's a personal gripe, mostly. I want there to be more options than different flavours of humans. At the moment the only race I like is Roegadyn (male and female, but mostly male).
As for the beastman lore argument, Lupin are probably exceptions to the rule. They're considered citizens in Doma and Garleans do not kill them on sight (whereas they planned to kill the Zundu if we didn't intervene) and even have/had them in their army. One was even allowed into Gridania (sure it was a seasonal event, but they have lore in the world as well).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

It's a personal gripe, mostly. I want there to be more options than different flavours of humans. At the moment the only race I like is Roegadyn (male and female, but mostly male).
As for the beastman lore argument, Lupin are probably exceptions to the rule. They're considered citizens in Doma and Garleans do not kill them on sight (whereas they planned to kill the Zundu if we didn't intervene) and even have/had them in their army. One was even allowed into Gridania (sure it was a seasonal event, but they have lore in the world as well).

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I can respect that. As said, I can see why people would like bestial races; and if this was a different game I'd probably support the Idea myself, but being the realist I am I just don't see it happening.
(I can also understand the 'only liking one race' thing; I've been through all of them at this point, and Lalafell off all things turns out to be the only race I don't have some sort of gripe with, lol. In fact, I guess the short-ish Viera would likely be another thing I'd like)

Lupin are an odd case, while they are totally fine in Othard I'm not quite convinced they'd be as welcome in Eorzea, at least not without some serious prejudice. And with Eorzea being the place the game starts at...
The Lupin during the Halloween event was interesting too, but, while seasonal events are canonical, I'm not sure the stories told through them are. Not to mention that particular Lupin was only allowed because people thought he was some guy in a costume, or at least thats how I remember it.

i can definitely get behind the idea of viera being tall (as they rightfully should be!) however, i'm not sold on the idea of male viera being short. i'm not a fan of what they did to au ra and knowing how female au ra turned out, i can't imagine male viera falling into the "frail and dainty" category. i would be utterly heartbroken if they gimped on male viera (or viera as a whole) to try to be clever with differences in sex.

if anyone is interested tho, artist lelia has some wonderful art of male viera and viera in general.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Nevermind, found the link in another thread.
https://www.dualshockers.com/final-f...naoki-yoshida/

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This article gives me even more Hope! I hope there is more news down the line.
People thank goodness we have reporters who are Viera fans! They're taking the "fight" to Yoshi P personally and we're winning him over!

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

This article gives me even more Hope! I hope there is more news down the line.
People thank goodness we have reporters who are Viera fans! They're taking the "fight" to Yoshi P personally and we're winning him over!

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Can you resume it , presently at work with controlled internet Y.Y

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Originally Posted by killstein

can't imagine male viera falling into the "frail and dainty" category.

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Short does not = frail and dainty. Miqo'te males are on the shorter side as well, and while not as muscular as Highlander Hyurs, they are by no means frail or dainty. (Granted, I would like to see Viera men more masculine/muscular than Miqo'te as well. Or at least, one clan of them being muscular.)

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Originally Posted by ArcaneCarbuncle

Actually there were 3 Subtribes of Viera... (continue awesome)

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I affection you. /Sparkles~/ I agree with the last point as well. I've noticed that the different clans don't really come into play/story so much, either. It's usually more racial orientated (conflict) than clan orientated.

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Originally Posted by Celef

Can you resume it , presently at work with controlled internet Y.Y

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G: You probably knew that this question was coming sooner or later: with Return to Ivalice creating a bridge between Final Fantasy XIV and Final Fantasy XII, and with Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age selling over a million copies, has the chance of seeing Viera implemented as a playable race improved?

NY: We shall see… conversations on new races and jobs in FFXIV is super-top secret! I would be risking my life if I were to talk about it. Let us say that only the Mother Crystal knows. :p

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It's literally nothing, don't worry.

Why won't this thread die? Vieras are sacred creatures that do not need to be disgrace with XIV limitations. Would rather have races unique to XIV instead.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

Why won't this thread die? Vieras are sacred creatures that do not need to be disgrace with XIV limitations. Would rather have races unique to XIV instead.

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people want viera
and if you want a thread to die why bump it?

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Originally Posted by Duskane

people want viera
and if you want a thread to die why bump it?

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People want Viera from that bad Tactics game that we don't talk about. What strategy game punishes you for using Cure or some other nonsense? SE has been doing a good job pretending that game doesn't exist, cuz it don't.. (Can't believe that game ever got a sequel...)

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Originally Posted by Corue

It's literally nothing, don't worry.

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Was gonna say. It's a very 'nothing' response since he says "new races" and not Viera specifically.

Also I quite enjoyed FFTA and FFTA2 (which nixed the Judge/Law system). Would always try to make a party of Bangaa.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

What strategy game punishes you for using Cure or some other nonsense?

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Are you talking about the Judge system from Tactics Advance? Because the penalties it applies are easily worked around most of the time and only get really obnoxious when it's things like "Don't deal damage to monsters" on a map where the only enemies are monsters. Even then, the game gives you the means to change laws by the time that starts showing up.

Also, the game got a sequel because it sold very well. So a lot of people actually bought the game, regardless of how much you personally dislike it.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

Are you talking about the Judge system from Tactics Advance? Because the penalties it applies are easily worked around most of the time and only get really obnoxious when it's things like "Don't deal damage to monsters" on a map where the only enemies are monsters. Even then, the game gives you the means to change laws by the time that starts showing up.

Also, the game got a sequel because it sold very well. So a lot of people actually bought the game, regardless of how much you personally dislike it.

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Yeah, I sadly helped fund it's sequel. That's cool that people liked it but I couldn't stand that game when half the team was in Jail. Looking at it sales, I'm amazed that it was considered being "sold well" when the current SE would say those numbers mean it "failed."

P.S I still hate that game and will continue to deny it's existence...

(Every other game has you hate Judges... even XIV... and you want me to sit there and accept their dumbarse rules...)

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

People want Viera from that bad Tactics game that we don't talk about. What strategy game punishes you for using Cure or some other nonsense? SE has been doing a good job pretending that game doesn't exist, cuz it don't.. (Can't believe that game ever got a sequel...)

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Never played any tactics game. I learnt of Viera from XII when the original first came out. The current raids seem to influenced by "FFXII: Zodiac Braves" anyhow, not tactics, given the name drop by the NPCs. Also, how do these tactics games have ANY impact on XIV? I know Viera are from them, but...? Your comment makes no sense to me.



P.S. You're still contributing to the thread, which is counterproductive to letting/wanting it "die."

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

Never played any tactics game. I learnt of Viera from XII when the original first came out. The current raids seem to influenced by "FFXII: Zodiac Braves" anyhow, not tactics, given the name drop by the NPCs. Also, how do these tactics games have ANY impact on XIV? I know Viera are from them, but...? . ."

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The current raid is a mash up of war of the Lions and FF12 with it merging bit of both.

I mean, we already have Dragon and Cat girls, might as well add bunny waifus to fulfill our quota :D

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Originally Posted by NewAgeDoom

I mean, we already have Dragon girls

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*Lizard

Its told in some quests that Au Ra are not related to Dragons.

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

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the 24 man story is based primarily on Tactics, including Ramza and Alma being characters from the game. The Zodiac Brave Story and Durai Papers as mentioned in the recent story are from FFT, not FFXII. The bosses are from both, the locations are from both, such as Rabanastre is XII but Lesalia beneath is FFT. Ridorana is XII, Clockwork City of Goug beneath is FFT. The auracite is actually based on Tactics as well, though FFXII has Nethicite, which is somewhat similar. Most of the story is from Tactics, with the locations and politics of the region being from XII, as in FFXIV the events of FFXII were ~30 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

*Lizard

Its told in some quests that Au Ra are not related to Dragons.

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Ah yes, I think I remember that in the first quest where you meet Sidurgu as a DRK. My fault.

I also want to be able to play as a Genome.

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Originally Posted by NewAgeDoom

I also want to be able to play as a Genome.

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Just take the ears off a Miqo'te. Exact same thing.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

*Lizard

Its told in some quests that Au Ra are not related to Dragons.

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Isn't it actually *Demon? Weren't Au Ra based on demonic designs?

Also.. I still want Viera :3

All the (human sized) males in this game are quite masculine, so I'd be totally in for a cute option for the Viera. Ideally we'd have both the taller/elegant one and the short and cute one. But the cute one is important as that's what we're missing right now.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

People want Viera from that bad Tactics game that we don't talk about. What strategy game punishes you for using Cure or some other nonsense? SE has been doing a good job pretending that game doesn't exist, cuz it don't.. (Can't believe that game ever got a sequel...)

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People want Viera because Fran. Viera showed up in 12, and people have loved them ever since. Make no mistake, I am inclined to agree about the Tactics Advance games, or at least the first one. I resigned not to play it as soon as I heard about the judge nonsense in that game. But I think if anyone at all wants Viera because of Tactics, then its not many. Fran, and the others in Eruyt and/or Rabanastre, are likely why most people want them: Tall, beastly (and yes, sexy) bunny ladies (and dudes, presumably, if the 14 concept art is to be believed) with a penchant for badassery. They might be waifus to some, but they are also capable and able combatants, and interesting over all. At least, that's how it seems to me. I'd take them even if they were de-waifu'd a bit. I just think they're an interesting choice, next to generic fantasy races like elves, gnomes, and giants, which we already have in elezen, lalas, and roes. At least bunny people wouldn't really be copying a common RPG trope race.

Also, and some may have said this, the new trial in 4.3 has bunny ears. I understand the real world lore as to why, but I am going to choose to believe that just means Viera confirmed even though it probably doesn't, hehheh. ^_^

elzen in a bunny suit

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Originally Posted by GetFoesReqd

People want Viera because Fran. Viera showed up in 12, and people have loved them ever since. Make no mistake, I am inclined to agree about the Tactics Advance games, or at least the first one. I resigned not to play it as soon as I heard about the judge nonsense in that game. But I think if anyone at all wants Viera because of Tactics, then its not many. Fran, and the others in Eruyt and/or Rabanastre, are likely why most people want them: Tall, beastly (and yes, sexy) bunny ladies (and dudes, presumably, if the 14 concept art is to be believed) with a penchant for badassery. They might be waifus to some, but they are also capable and able combatants, and interesting over all. At least, that's how it seems to me. I'd take them even if they were de-waifu'd a bit. I just think they're an interesting choice, next to generic fantasy races like elves, gnomes, and giants, which we already have in elezen, lalas, and roes. At least bunny people wouldn't really be copying a common RPG trope race.

Also, and some may have said this, the new trial in 4.3 has bunny ears. I understand the real world lore as to why, but I am going to choose to believe that just means Viera confirmed even though it probably doesn't, hehheh. ^_^

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Viera, and by extension Fran, only exist because FFTA though. FFTA came out a whole 3 years before FFXII and without it I doubt they'd have used the Ivalice setting in XII, at least not in the way they did.
(Not trying to be mean here, just a bit of perspective on the whole FFTA/FFXII issue ^^)

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Originally Posted by GunksFoy

Awesome stuff here

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I stand corrected.~ With the title drop & certain events, I figured it was the FFXII Zodiac Braves. Kinda makes me want to try FFT. :>

Congrats to this thread on reaching 200 pages.

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Originally Posted by Frogger2

All the (human sized) males in this game are quite masculine, so I'd be totally in for a cute option for the Viera. Ideally we'd have both the taller/elegant one and the short and cute one. But the cute one is important as that's what we're missing right now.

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Only High landers are inherently masculine
Miqote and Midlanders are anyones game can be masculine or elegant etc etc

Unless you include Au ra,Roe and elezen as "Human size"
Elezen are not very masculin anyway

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Originally Posted by Duskane

Only High landers are inherently masculine
Miqote and Midlanders are anyones game can be masculine or elegant etc etc

Unless you include Au ra,Roe and elezen as "Human size"
Elezen are not very masculin anyway

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Yeah, I agree. I would only call highlander hyurs as "quite masculine" when it comes to human-sized, Roes as well if you want to include all races. Even Au Ra males (above human size) are quite svelte/elegant in build (with somewhat feminine thighs) so I'd lump them with the rest of the pretty boys, haha.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

Only High landers are inherently masculine
Miqote and Midlanders are anyones game can be masculine or elegant etc etc
Unless you include Au ra,Roe and elezen as "Human size"
Elezen are not very masculin anyway

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

Yeah, I agree. I would only call highlander hyurs as "quite masculine" when it comes to human-sized, Roes as well if you want to include all races. Even Au Ra males (above human size) are quite svelte/elegant in build (with somewhat feminine thighs) so I'd lump them with the rest of the pretty boys, haha.

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Yeh no, not really. You don't need to be hugely muscular to be classified as 'masculine'. Bodyshape and mannerisms play just as much a part.
While Miqos and Hyur aren't super hugely muscular, their bodyshape in combination with how the gear in this game is designed does indeed make them look more masculine than anyhing. (Masculine as in broader shoulders, thinner waist/hip area etc. the typical 'triangular' shape)
The only way to make them appear less masculine (or more 'feminine', as thats pretty much the only other option) or 'elegant' as you call it (elegance and masculinity are NOT mutually exclusive btw.) is forcefully dressing them up in stuff that would be called more traditionally feminine by IRL standards. Flowier robes, longer hair, things like that.
And even then you'd still have to contend with the broader shoulders, relatively muscular arms etc.

The same more or less counts for Elezen as well as Au Ra except it can be harder to hide due to bodyheight and even broader shoulders. (In fact, Elezen and Hyur share the same bodytype, Elezen are just more stretched out, including the shoulders.)
Au Ra thighs aren't 'feminine', they may appear thicker than usual, but only because they are muscular. Which would stereotypically be called a masculine feature.
Oh and btw, being a 'prettyboy' and being masculine are also not mutually exclusive. Its called being handsome. :P

The point being: People asking for 'less masculine' builds (masculine meaning shoulders wider than hips) likely aren't asking not to be bodybuilders, they are asking for bodytypes that are less inherently masculine, i.e slender framed, narrower shoulders, less naturally muscular, possibly (but not neccessarily) wider hips etc. They don't want to 'dress up' their character less masculine, they want a less stereotypically masculine body to begin with.
And considering females get less 'feminine' (broader shouldered, more muscular) options already this is not an unfair thing to ask.
At least thats how I understand the issue. :)

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

I stand corrected.~ With the title drop & certain events, I figured it was the FFXII Zodiac Braves. Kinda makes me want to try FFT. :>

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Without trying to derail the thread too much, it really is an excellent game. It can be quite difficult because there is no way to grind levels, as all enemies scale with you and you can actually outpace your own gear if you aren't careful. And there are tons of theorycrafting pages across forums. My recommendation would be downloading PPSSPP (PSP Emulator) on either a tablet or Windows, grabbing the PSP version ISO, FFT: War of the Lions, and playing that one. Some voiced cutscenes and additional jobs/quests. But be prepared to sink 100+ hours into it if you aren't using cheats!

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Originally Posted by GetFoesReqd

People want Viera because Fran. Viera showed up in 12, and people have loved them ever since. Make no mistake, I am inclined to agree about the Tactics Advance games, or at least the first one. I resigned not to play it as soon as I heard about the judge nonsense in that game.

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That's the problem. If SE add Viera, they won't be like Fran. They'll be more like the Advance version of them. I hate how more human they look in that game (Maybe it's the art style, I don't know). We won't get the long arms and/or High Heels. Without those, it's just an elf race with bunny ears..

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

That's the problem. If SE add Viera, they won't be like Fran. They'll be more like the Advance version of them. I hate how more human they look in that game. We won't get the long arms and/or High Heels. Without those, it's just an elf race with bunny ears..

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When you consider how aware they are of the Viera design.

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“I don’t think you should give up hope. I mean we’re hoping Final Fantasy XIV will have a very long lifespan. With that being said. Fran and the Viera race have a very high heel and trying to depict that in Final Fantasy XIV is challenging. They won’t be able to wear any shoes that exist in Eorzea right now.” -
at http://www.siliconera.com/2017/06/04...ing-viera-mmo/

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Its not a matter of them not doing justice, is them being aware that as is, they can't.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

That's the problem. If SE add Viera, they won't be like Fran. They'll be more like the Advance version of them. I hate how more human they look in that game (Maybe it's the art style, I don't know). We won't get the long arms and/or High Heels. Without those, it's just an elf race with bunny ears..

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To be fair that is all Viera are

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

To be fair that is all Viera are

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Fair or simplified?

As much as I would like to see Viera, I personally want to see more customization options for the races we already have.

It just feels like Xaela-clan Au ra got short-changed on customization options compared to Raen.