Dev's You better answer!

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Originally Posted by Vilhem

Nix said her husband DID apply.

We theorized in the other thread that it could have been when the devs made all the accounts active so they could log in for the final event on the 11th. It could have been here that the inactives got the short window to apply and have their applications submitted. An oversight on SE's part.

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Ah..that is kind of messed up >.< Hopefully the closed beta will be different heh.

No, you better answer! /totallydidn'treadthethread

Good heavens....

Good luck on next wave of invites everyone^^ I thought I heard tomorrow?

Yeah i really hope the dev's answer this thread. I still haven't recieved an alpha invite as of yet and i can confirm that one of my freinds has had an inactive account since aug, 2011 and they applied for the beta ( the first wave ) 2 days ahead of it and somehow got choosen.

ALSO most of the fools that are posting against this thread are those fools who had inactive account and HAS been accepted to the alpha. I can confirm it as well. Seeing how i know some freinds who has alpha status.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

"- Must currently have an active FINAL FANTASY XIV account"

Not sure what part of it you do not understand. I would paraphrase for your sake, but I'm not really sure how to make it clearer than that.

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he said a long time ago that he wanted people who don't play the game to give feed back

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Don't you understand.

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Originally Posted by Firon

What part of Don't you understand.

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"he said, she said" doesn't work so well in front of a nicely written clause right on the application form.

Not sure about what part of it you don't understand, again.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

"he said" "she said" doesn't work so well in front of a nicely written rule right on the application form.

Not sure about what part of it you don't understand, again.

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Everyone breaks the rules sometimes, it's called "bending" the rules. :P. Yes they shouldn't have put it on the Application page, but what can you do about it really? Alpha is over ( practically) so no need to cry about it now. onward to Beta I say for the next batch of QQ's! :D

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"he said" "she said" doesn't work so well in front of a nicely written rule right on the application form.

Not sure about what part of it you don't understand, again.

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I still don't get how you don't understand that he wanted people who don't play the game in alpha.

They can't sign up cause they can't play the game but he wants them in anyway so the non active players could give feedback. I still don't see whats so hard to understand about that. You only needed an Active FF XIV account to APPLY not get in.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Everyone breaks the rules sometimes, it's called "bending" the rules.

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That doesn't work so well when you're a company dealing with paying customers. It's called losing customer trust. Which is exactly what Square Enix should avoid like the plague, given its recent history.

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I still don't get how you don't understand that he wanted people who don't play the game in alpha.

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if you want something, you don't put in writing a rule that conflicts with it. It's that simple. Whatever he wants doesn't change the fact that Square Enix put in writing a rule that reserved application to the alpha to paying customers. Which makes it obvious that paying customers aren't happy to see that rule not honored.

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They can't sign up cause they can't play the game but he wants them in anyway so the non active players could give feedback. I still don't see whats so hard to understand about that. You only needed an Active FF XIV account to APPLY not get in.

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You may want to reassess the situation, because you are obviously oblivious of the facts, and writing without knowing what you're writing about doesn't help your argument. Inactive accounts are able to apply to the alpha and they have been for a while (while initially they weren't) and that's why they're getting selected. People tried. It works.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That doesn't work so well when you're a company dealing with paying customers. It's called losing customer trust. Which is exactly what Square Enix should avoid like the plague, given its recent history.

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Annnnnd were all here still :P. I feel when beta comes around you be still going on about this Alpha nonsense, it's over.. deal with it geez..

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Annnnnd were all here still :P. I feel when beta comes around you be still going on about this Alpha nonsense, it's over.. deal with it geez..

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"deal with it" is what some said when FFXIV was released in its abysmal state. "deal with it" is not exactly the right approach when talking about this kind of things, as it gives companies leave to do whatever the hell they want, no matter what they promise or pubblicize, which is obviously bad business.

Losing customer trust doesn't necessarily mean the customers will immediately ragequit, but it does add up, and Square Enix already has a rather extensive history of taking the hammer to their customer's trust in their decision making ability. The sensitive course of action would be to just stop doing that.

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"deal with it" is what some said when FFXIV was released in its abysmal state. "deal with it" is not exactly the right approach when talking about this kind of things, as it gives companies leave to do whatever the hell they want, no matter what they promise or pubblicize, which is obviously bad business.

Losing customer trust doesn't necessarily mean the customers will immediately ragequit, but it does add up, and Square Enix already has a rather extensive history of taking the hammer to their customer's trust in their decision making ability. The sensitive course of action would be to just stop doing that.

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Yep, this proves you won't stop thanks for the Clarification

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Yep, this proves you won't stop thanks for the Clarification

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I'm sure some white knights would love for all the criticism to stop. Unfortunately, there's no reason for it to happen in this case, as the situation hasn't been addressed or amended.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I'm sure some white knights would love for all the criticism to stop. Unfortunately, there's no reason for it to happen in this case, as the situation hasn't been addressed or amended.

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And it shouldn't be addressed at all, it's a little silly tbh

Edit: Can't you just be happy for once that Alpha went smoothly, and that the game is on it's way to success? ( I think I'm asking to much on this one)

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"deal with it" is what some said when FFXIV was released in its abysmal state. "deal with it" is not exactly the right approach when talking about this kind of things, as it gives companies leave to do whatever the hell they want, no matter what they promise or pubblicize, which is obviously bad business.

Losing customer trust doesn't necessarily mean the customers will immediately ragequit, but it does add up, and Square Enix already has a rather extensive history of taking the hammer to their customer's trust in their decision making ability. The sensitive course of action would be to just stop doing that.

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Loosing what trust? He said months ago he wanted people who was not playing the game to join, get that through your head. They are taking feed back so what happened with 1.0 wont happen with 2.0 cause you did not get in the alpha, they have plenty of feed back from tons of players.

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And it shouldn't be addressed at all, it's a little silly tbh

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A company telling something to its customers and then doing something else is definitely not "silly", not even a little.

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Edit: Can't you just be happy for once that Alpha went smoothly, and that the game is on it's way to success? ( I think I'm asking to much on this one)

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As a matter of fact. I have no idea if the Alpha went smoothly. Working on blind faith proved a bad choice once already.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Loosing what trust?

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When a company tells X to its paying customers and then does Y which happens to be the opposite of X, a percentage of those customers will lose a certain amount of trust in that company. It's a very simple and straightforward marketing rule.

What Yoshida may or may not have said in some obscure interview somewhere doesn't really matter, as the paying customer isn't held to the responsibility or reading every single interview he gives or every forum post he makes. On the other hand, all of those that applied are to read the clauses of the application, which makes it the only applicable rule.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

A company telling something to its customers and then doing something else is definitely not "silly", not even a little.



As a matter of fact. I have no idea if the Alpha went smoothly. Working on blind faith proved a bad choice once already.



When a company tells X to its paying customers and then does Y which happens to be the opposite of X, a percentage of those customers will lose a certain amount of trust in that company. It's a very simple and straightforward marketing rule.

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I just see your just butt hurt over no alpha invite done with this thread.

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Originally Posted by Firon

I just see your just butt hurt over no alpha invite done with this thread.

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Translation of the above: "I don't have any solid argument to counter his, so I'll just personally attack him".

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Translation of the above: "I don't have any solid argument to counter his, so I'll just personally attack him".

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lol. I told what they wanted from alpha right from the horses mouth and you keep making shit up, about loosing trust and all this other none sense, you are just butt hurt bro.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

A company telling something to its customers and then doing something else is definitely not "silly", not even a little.



As a matter of fact. I have no idea if the Alpha went smoothly. Working on blind faith proved a bad choice once already.



When a company tells X to its paying customers and then does Y which happens to be the opposite of X, a percentage of those customers will lose a certain amount of trust in that company. It's a very simple and straightforward marketing rule.

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A company telling something to its customers and then doing something else is definitely not "silly", not even a little.

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Your the only one I see complaining till you turn blue so idn what your talking about there

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As a matter of fact. I have no idea if the Alpha went smoothly. Working on blind faith proved a bad choice once already.

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It's not blind faith Read the letters he keeps saying that Alpha is going smoothly, very little problems, and a even a few people that I know has told me Alpha feels like it should be in Beta. So again Don't know what your talking about.

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When a company tells X to its paying customers and then does Y which happens to be the opposite of X, a percentage of those customers will lose a certain amount of trust in that company. It's a very simple and straightforward marketing rule.

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While I understand that, You and "only" you has been at this for over a month since Alpha has started, I understand how you feel about getting "False information" but in life s**t happens company or no Company, all a person can do is deal with it.. sure Express how you feel about it.. but you been saying the same thing like a broken record since Alpha started so, all I can tell you is "Look forward to beta and stop dwelling in the past."

This thread needs to die.

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lol. I told what they wanted from alpha right from the horses mouth and you keep making shit up, about loosing trust and all this other none sense, you are just butt hurt bro.

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I'm not making anything up, my friend. The "- Must currently have an active FINAL FANTASY XIV account" clause is coming from the horse's mouth, as it's's clearly written on the application form, which is the only document that people applying to the alpha are required to read.

Whatever Yoshida may or may not have said somewhere else simply doesn't have the same value, as applicants don't have the responsibility to go look up whatever he says on some obscure forum post or interview.

Petty personal attacks a la "u mad bro!" don't really change that.

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Your the only one I see complaining till you turn blue so idn what your talking about there

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Your (this is the correct use of "your" by the way) reading is very selective. There's a ton of people complaining. As a matter of fact, I didn't even open any of the threads in which they do. The fact that I don't let you have it your way doesn't mean I'm the only one.

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It's not blind faith Read the letters he keeps saying that Alpha is going smoothly, very little problems, and a even a few people that I know has told me Alpha feels like it should be in Beta. So again Don't know what your talking about.

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he wrote just one letter, and believing it without seeing it with your own eyes is exactly the definition of "blind faith".
If you have that approach, it's your prerogative, as it's mine to require a bit more verification before starting to sound the victory fanfare.

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While I understand that, You and "only" you has been at this for over a month since Alpha has started, I understand how you feel about getting "False information" but in life s**t happens company or no Company, all a person can do is deal with it.. sure Express how you feel about it.. but you been saying the same thing like a broken record since Alpha started so, all I can tell you is "Look forward to beta and stop dwelling in the past."

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Again, you're very selective in your reading.

Letting it go equates to give SE the signal: "it's ok Square Enix, do whatever you want, no matter what you tell or publicize, we'll still look forward to what you'll do next and we'll stop dwelling in the past".

"shit happens" is true. Few are more aware of that than I am.

But before the "shit happens" is forgiven and forgotten, normally an intermediate step is required. It's called "addressing the situation and making amends". That step didn't happen, and that's a problem.

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Your (this is the correct use of "your" by the way) reading is very selective. There's a ton of people complaining. As a matter of fact, I didn't even open any of the threads in which they do. The fact that I don't let you have it your way doesn't mean I'm the only one.



he wrote just one letter, and believing it without seeing it with your own eyes is exactly the definition of "blind faith".



Again, you're very selective in your reading.

Letting it go equates to give SE the signal: "it's ok Square Enix, do whatever you want, no matter what you tell or publicize, we'll still look forward to what you'll do next and we'll stop dwelling in the past".

"shit happens" is true. Few are more aware of that than I am. But before the "shit happens" is forgiven and forgotten, normally an intermediate step is required. It's called "addressing the situation and making amends".

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You'll never understand keep the butthurt rolling right onto Release for all I care, but it really isn't getting no where, all I'm going to see you is a whiney kid that didn't get into Alpha. I know I know your not butthurt blah Blah. I read the whole thing, but when you fail to see what I'm trying to say there no point in reading everything anymore as it is a waist of time.

Ok, let's get this set up straight. "Active" does not mean you were paying for the game. You can still have an active account and not have any Character Slots paid for.

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This is a screencap from my personal account. FINAL FANTASY XIV 1 was some weird account that got set up during the beta test that has never had any content tied to it, yet it's showing as active on my account. So, when the game went free to play, all accounts were set to active, yet you still had to tell your profile you wanted a character slot in order to play. Two entirely different things.

Enough of the butthurt that you didn't get selected to play the alpha. It's a damn alpha test, not a demo...

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Enough of the butthurt that you didn't get selected to play the alpha.

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Yes please it's just one major headache.

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Ok, let's get this set up straight. "Active" does not mean you were paying for the game. You can still have an active account and not have any Character Slots paid for.

http://i47.tinypic.com/11jq62g.jpg

This is a screencap from my personal account. FINAL FANTASY XIV 1 was some weird account that got set up during the beta test that has never had any content tied to it, yet it's showing as active on my account. So, when the game went free to play, all accounts were set to active, yet you still had to tell your profile you wanted a character slot in order to play. Two entirely different things.

Enough of the butthurt that you didn't get selected to play the alpha. It's a damn alpha test, not a demo...

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That's weird.
My Final Fantasy XIV 1 account is canceled.
But apparently it can be reactivated without any trouble.

Abriael you need to let it go. It's gone beyond disappointment to scapegoating and shifting blame to make yourself feel better. Alpha is almost over and you're still screaming bloody murder. Learn some patience and wait for Beta, which will be the better product to play on.

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Ok, let's get this set up straight. "Active" does not mean you were paying for the game. You can still have an active account and not have any Character Slots paid for.

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I'm afraid you didn't get it straight at all. For the longest time since the opening of the application until pretty much the final event, whoever tried to register for the alpha with a lapsed account was bounced with a message that said something like "you don't have an active account, piss off" (I paraphrase).

Only afterwards application was opened to everyone, without any change in the "active account" clause.

So no. "active" account doesn't mean what you think it means. It means what it means everywhere else in the industry, which is paying and able to play.

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You'll never understand keep the butthurt rolling right onto Release for all I care, but it really isn't getting no where, all I'm going to see you is a whiney kid that didn't get into Alpha. I know I know your not butthurt blah Blah.

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Again with the "I can't counter what he says, so I'll insult him". if you don't have a solid argument, why do you bother?

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I read the whole thing, but when you fail to see what I'm trying to say there no point in reading everything anymore as it is a waist of time.

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I don't fail to see it. I see it very well, and believe you're wrong.

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Yes please it's just one major headache.

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Why does it give you a headache exactly? You're not forced to read threads like this at all. The topic is self-explanatory, so if you find them so terrible, why do you read them?

Now you have any responsibility to defend a company that obviously doesn't feel the need to defend itself on this matter. As much as I'm not "letting it go" (I really have no reason to, considering that my concern hasn't been in any way addressed), you're always here yourself bending over twice to make excuses for them and throwing personal attacks because you don't get your way.

It seems to me that your "headache" is entirely self-inflicted.

my girlfriend has a crappy laptop and did never apply.
guess i should check her mail, too.

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I'm afraid you didn't get it straight at all. For the longest time since the opening of the application until pretty much the final event, whoever tried to register for the alpha with a lapsed account was bounced with a message that said something like "you don't have an active account, piss off" (I paraphrase).

Only afterwards application was opened to everyone, without any change in the "active account" clause.

So no. "active" account doesn't mean what you think it means. It means what it means everywhere else in the industry, which is paying and able to play.

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Hmmm...

On one side, we have what Square-Enix said on their page.

On the other side, we have a person who is upset at how "unfair" a lottery system is.

Sorry bro, but I'm going to still go with what I said before. Tell yourself whatever you need to in order to stay at maximum mad at all times. That's the perfect attitude for someone to have that should be testing a video game to make it the best it can be. Hopefully you're next in line to get an invite, then rant about how bad it is.

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Abriael you need to let it go. It's gone beyond disappointment to scapegoating and shifting blame to make yourself feel better. Alpha is almost over and you're still screaming bloody murder. Learn some patience and wait for Beta, which will be the better product to play on.

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I'm not sure why should I? My concerns haven't been addressed in any way. The funny part is that if you check every single one of my post, I'm always responding. I never bring it up on my initiative. Someone simply has to fix misinformation when it happens, or at least some of it.

I'm not exactly sure why I should "let it go", while those that don't miss any chance to antagonize those that have a problem with this issue don't. I mean, I'm sure they'd love it, so they could throw their petty "butthurt" or "u mad" undisturbed, but I still don't see a solid reason to.

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On one side, we have what Square-Enix said on their page.

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Only that any number of people tried applying with lapsed accounts when the application was opened, and were bounced telling them that their account wasn't active. I tested it myself with my mule account. But hey feel free to disbelieve it if floats your boat.

Mind you. Square Enix said absolutely nothing on the issue, which is exactly the problem.

I'm not upset at how unfair the lottery system is. I just look with a certain amount of contempt to a company that sets a rule for a lottery system, explicitly specifies it, and then doesn't honor it.

It's simply bad business, and I'd rather SE drop the bad business.

Because its' reached beyond the "oh I didn't get in bummer" to an all out ragefest on your part. Nobody has had this enduring anger on here but you, and that's partly the reason why people keep bringing you up. You're like a screaming kid stomping his foot, then covers his ears not wanting to listen to reason because you're not being told what you want to hear.

I've raised the concerns regarding the possible oversight on SE's part, or the screenshots posted above by Good Sir Doctor Beatbox, but you're too lost in your own anger to pay attention to any of this. You're repeating the same thing over and over and over. Your tantrums certainly aren't going to get any answers from the Devs, especially in a thread where the OP says "you better!"

It's time to let it go and move on. There's others who didn't get in. You are not the only one.

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Because its' reached beyond the "oh I didn't get in bummer" to an all out ragefest on your part. Nobody has had this enduring anger on here but you, and that's partly the reason why people keep bringing you up. You're like a screaming kid stomping his foot, then covers his ears not wanting to listen to reason because you're not being told what you want to hear.

I've raised the concerns regarding the possible oversight on SE's part, or the screenshots posted above by Good Sir Doctor Beatbox, but you're too lost in your own anger to pay attention to any of this. You're repeating the same thing over and over and over. Your tantrums certainly aren't going to get any answers from the Devs, especially in a thread where the OP says "you better!"

It's time to let it go and move on. There's others who didn't get in. You are not the only one.

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You're assuming I'm angry, throwing tantrums and all that.

The thing you're not considering is that one can express criticism (as long as he wants) in an argumented, polite manner without being angry, or throwing tantrums.

As a matter of fact, I've always argumented my criticism very attentively and calmly, without throwing insults and personal attacks, that, mind you, come rather frequently from those that like to antagonize anyone that has an issue with this (some people think that personal attacks and insults or "u btthurt bro!" are a valid replacement for a solid argument, and mind you, your post skims that very closely as well).

Misrepresenting someone's contribution to a discussion by applying to him feelings that he simply doesn't display in any real way is not conducive to a good confrontation of ideas.

Persistent? Hell yes, I am. Why not? people continue to spread misinformation and antagonize those that ask for an explanation and someone needs to address it.

Angry? Not really. Do quote anything I wrote in which you can objectively see anger or that you can objectively identify with a "tantrum", because being persistent in one's principles isn't the same thing.

I'm sorry but you certainly don't come off as anything BUT an angry tantrum-throwing whiner. And I mean that with all due respect.

I'm all for open discussion and can tolerate a lot of things said, but seriously, your posts saying the same thing over and over and over are everywhere. And you know what happens when someone/something becomes too spammy, right?

I'm sure the devs have seen your rants. However, your whining isn't going to get them to respond any faster. This thread has been open for days now and other threads have gotten dev responses faster. It's likely they just ignore it altogether simply because of the title.

I'll say it again: let it go. People have become tired of your antics. Speak your mind, yes. But speak it with tact. Not like a broken record/deadhorse

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I'm sorry but you certainly don't come off as anything BUT an angry tantrum-throwing whiner. And I mean that with all due respect.

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Again, I'm very curious to see you quote even a single element of what I said that you can objectively identify with anger or with a tantrum.

Persistence isn't the same thing. I have very solid beliefs and principles, and I'm not afraid to express them, especially when my counterpart does the same with exactly the same frequency (or more).

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I'm all for open discussion and can tolerate a lot of things said, but seriously, your posts saying the same thing over and over and over are everywhere.

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I'm most definitely not the only one. There are plenty that do it, most of which on the other side of the discussion. Considering that those same people are the ones throwing insults and personal attacks around, why exactly are you telling me?

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I'll say it again: let it go. People have become tired of your antics. Speak your mind, yes. But speak it with tact. Not like a broken record/deadhorse

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It's always a good idea to talk for yourself, and not for "people".

tact and repetition aren't antithetical or anywhere in conflict. As a matter of fact my mind is always spoken with tact. Unfortunately some seem to believe that any form of criticism towards SE (which I normally defend, when warranted, mind you), no matter how well argumented and expressed calmly, is lack of tact.

if you want to see lack of "tact", i'll redirect you to all those that were very ready and eager to throw the "butthurt" word around, over and over again, and most definitely not only towards me.

That, I would say, is lack of tact. So why aren't you addressing them again?

/slitwrists

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This is why I had to go and Decorate my ****ing tree.. because this s**t is a Soap Opera.. I hate soaps -.-. ( And I don't really like decorating.. but it was the only thing available to calm down -.-.