For Shame, Mr. Yoshida - Being a Healer in 2026

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

. This is about players who don't like the idea that healers are expected to dps in this game. They want to only cast healing spells and absoutley empty their mp and healing kit every opportunity they get because "that's what healers do."

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Did a memo get sent out about this is the only thing this about that I wasn’t CC’ed on Or is it just easier to argue a point nobody made

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

Did any of those damage kits have combination spells like the ones brought up in my quote? I surely don't remember any damaging spell combination that would be broken if not done in order for any healer. It also wasn't brought up as a complaint, just an observation and prediction of this community.

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One of the given classes was SMN, which 100% could work with GCD healing in its current form

WAR has a 1-2-3 but I’m almost certain that person meant relative complexity not “put WAR literally 1 to 1 including combo breaks into a healer and change nothing”

So my point stands it’s creating a problem that doesn’t exist, people wouldn’t complain about breaking combos because a healers damage kit would never be designed like that

I think it's funny how people throw around the phrase "They wouldn't change the entire game" as if they haven't done that multiple times already. Stuff like raid buff standardisation changed how the game is played, or like how fight design changed from relatively straightforward to puzzle fights to body checks to faster pacing over time, all of this is changing the game.

Also, healers have indeed been a support damage dealer for the entirety of the game's lifetime. However, tanks have only been able to solo dungeon bosses from 100% for half of the game's lifetime, so why is that suddenly something that everyone has to accept as the one and only way the game is to be played?

The whole 'healbot' strawman also needs to die. There's only one person saying healing should be the majority of what healers do and even they set the dps time percentage at about 25% or less, so even the one person saying they want to spend most of their time healing isn't even advocating for healbotting.

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

[...]And this guy was referring to the other player I was questioning.

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If it is who I'm thinking, I won't see their replies because they have made their intention clear at one point within the big healerstrike thread to only want rile people up in such thread for entertainment. They're not looking to discuss or even have conversation (in other words, they're trolling), and accomplishes these feats in one of the worst possible ways (sexist, sociopathic tendencies, you name it). Blocklist is there for a reason, I don’t think we need to fuel them further.

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Originally Posted by Jovakim

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High-ends for the most part are rarely 'heal check' like many people and ironically YT guides likes to inaccurately frame them. They're mostly mit checks given how many damages are tuned to surpass non-tank's max health on launch.

As for healing side: how do you also balance that much of a HPS that current healers can bring? Yeah you kill the player so they can't use those broken tool. It's very backward, but it kinda made sense from non-healer lens.

If the game proverbially asks for 10/10 healing today, then the current HPS distribution between each roles are like 5/10 from tanks, 25/10 from healers, and 2/10 from DPS. These figures needs to be tuned down. I believe body checks and some mitchecks are also part their response to the fact that they realized just how broken powerful in terms of HPS the healers are.

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

In fairness, overheal for WHM is a stupendously bad metric because of Assize, case in point - Me today, nevermind the rapture, that was a wrong button press. -IMG-

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Need to bring up the overall cast tables to show just how lopsided our kit usage are. Not just on healing part. The damaging part as well. See the following comparison from different expansions (put into a dropdown cause they're two long images):

Example 1
https://i.postimg.cc/hv6238fV/image.jpg

Example 2
https://i.postimg.cc/7htLvhkz/image-2.png

It also doesn't matter which healers, they all follow the same trajectory.

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

And thats the point of the game. You are support dps, EVERYONE is a dps. Expecting the devs to change the game for you is beyond entitled. This whole post reeks of Karen energy even being titled "shame on you Mr Yoshida" or whatever.

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It would be wise to check further back and understand the post you're replying to. There was a time when mana management was really a thing. Needing a certain amount of piety to have the mana for fights. In this game. Maybe you don't remember because either you joined later and misunderstood the first sentence of my post or just don't care and wanted to pick a target to troll and vent your frustration on this topic towards. Either way, IDC. I know this game hates healers, its why I don't heal for anyone but close friends. Only DF/PF as DPS or tank. Your replies also prove this to be true. You totally hate people who want to heal. You just want them to be good little glarebots.

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

Not difficult to handle, but I can see the many complaints about healers not healing to avoid breaking their combos. 2-3 GCDs delayed can cause death sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

WAR has a 1-2-3 but I’m almost certain that person meant relative complexity not “put WAR literally 1 to 1 including combo breaks into a healer and change nothing”

So my point stands it’s creating a problem that doesn’t exist, people wouldn’t complain about breaking combos because a healers damage kit would never be designed like that

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Supersnow's assumption is correct. Remember that I called it a "Warrior-style", so it doesn't need to have the same combo restrictions. Making the combo unbreakable by healing and assigning it to a single button, similar to PCT, would eliminate most justification for greed.

Another adjustment that would prevent issues is extending the duration of the spells relative to Inner Release and Primal Rend.

I'll put the rest of my armchair job design idea in a dropdown, so I don't make this reply too long.

I believe the best healer to fit the Warrior playstyle would be the Sage. If Phlegma were changed to cost 50% of a new gauge meter, many skills could be easily adapted to the job:

- 1-2-3 single-target combo = Dosis combo
- 1-2 AoE combo = Dyskrasia combo

- Storm's Eye = Eukrasian Dosis
- Fell Cleave/Decimate = Phlegma
- Upheaval/Orogeny = Psyche
- Onslaught = Icarus

- Infuriate = New button
- Inner Release = New button

In my mind, these changes alone would make Sage significantly more engaging to play, requiring only two new buttons and an extra gauge.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

High-ends for the most part are rarely 'heal check' like many people and ironically YT guides likes to inaccurately frame them. They're mostly mit checks given how many damages are tuned to surpass non-tank's max health on launch.

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You're not entirely wrong, but I consider some of those situations to be a heal check, especially when they happen back-to-back. Shields and mits alone will only get you so far when everybody is too low on HP. I remember, as a Sage, wiping a few times on M10S right around the end of the arena split: partner stacks, party stacks, followed by a raid-wide in quick succession. There was only so much I could do if the pure healer didn't top us off.

There are also the "Compound Stacks" that were introduced in EW, which are definitely a heal check when they hurt hard enough, and they come up quite frequently now.

Regarding everything else you've mentioned, I completely agree. They really need to address healing in 8.0.

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Originally Posted by Jovakim

Supersnow's assumption is correct. Remember that I called it a "Warrior-style", so it doesn't need to have the same combo restrictions. Making the combo unbreakable by healing and assigning it to a single button, similar to PCT, would eliminate most justification for greed.

Another adjustment that would prevent issues is extending the duration of the spells relative to Inner Release and Primal Rend.

I'll put the rest of my armchair job design idea in a dropdown, so I don't make this reply too long.

I believe the best healer to fit the Warrior playstyle would be the Sage. If Phlegma were changed to cost 50% of a new gauge meter, many skills could be easily adapted to the job:

- 1-2-3 single-target combo = Dosis combo
- 1-2 AoE combo = Dyskrasia combo

- Storm's Eye = Eukrasian Dosis
- Fell Cleave/Decimate = Phlegma
- Upheaval/Orogeny = Psyche
- Onslaught = Icarus

- Infuriate = New button
- Inner Release = New button

In my mind, these changes alone would make Sage significantly more engaging to play, requiring only two new buttons and an extra gauge.

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Then I apologize for my assumption. I don't like the picto idea. Consolidating to one button like picto would just be placebo. You're still pressing the same button. Maybe give us rotational buffs like SAM? Ofc having the combo not break.

Even from a dps-minded perspective it's boring how every healer's approach to the dps-heal load balancing has become "how do I allocate my free healing resources to heal without losing dps". I'd like to have more variety in that between each job

Healers are still spellcasters, so prioritization system will also work wonderfully for them.

SCH in the past had done this partly via multiple DoTs with differing timers. AST had a wonderful card system that only needs to not have their AoE spread since that's what made them so swingy to begin with.

WHM was quite a barebone compared to the other two but they still had Aero III under their belt. With some lily system tweaks akin to their BLM counterpart, they can have their own mini prioritization system while still not neglecting their main responsibility.

Ofc, balancing numbers is probably also one of the reason SE didn't want to go down this route. In their eyes, making cookie cutters of a role saves them so much time so they can give us... uhh.. more other games to play... :p

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

It would be wise to check further back and understand the post you're replying to. There was a time when mana management was really a thing. Needing a certain amount of piety to have the mana for fights. In this game. Maybe you don't remember because either you joined later and misunderstood the first sentence of my post or just don't care and wanted to pick a target to troll and vent your frustration on this topic towards. Either way, IDC. I know this game hates healers, its why I don't heal for anyone but close friends. Only DF/PF as DPS or tank. Your replies also prove this to be true. You totally hate people who want to heal. You just want them to be good little glarebots.

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There is content in this game where healers worry about piety. There are piety sets made for ultimate prog for example and they are definitely needed at first.

Some healers struggled in FRU because they were using parsing bis which used a crafted ring to avoid piety and they and the party were melting.

The content is there, its just not the content you want to do.

A substat basically only used in literal ultimates that otherwise you downgrade your gear to get rid of is not a good system

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

It would be wise to check further back and understand the post you're replying to. There was a time when mana management was really a thing. Needing a certain amount of piety to have the mana for fights. In this game. Maybe you don't remember because either you joined later and misunderstood the first sentence of my post or just don't care and wanted to pick a target to troll and vent your frustration on this topic towards. Either way, IDC. I know this game hates healers, its why I don't heal for anyone but close friends. Only DF/PF as DPS or tank. Your replies also prove this to be true. You totally hate people who want to heal. You just want them to be good little glarebots.

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Also it doesn't change the fact that this whole thread is pathetic and cringe being titled "shame of you Mr Yoshida."

What I'm saying is the game doesn't need to change its design philosophy of every job is a dps to suit you because those games exist elsewhere. Its beyond entitled.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

None because you are playing DPS.

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Go look at that spoiler that Osborne posted and tell me what the most casted spell is in that list(Hint: There's nothing to heal).

Spoiler Alert: If you chose Glare, Dosis, Malefic, or Broil, you're 100% Correct.

This is why we literally are pushing for more things for the Healers to do with this thread. Adding damage might not always be the answer, but to not make a job boring it sure is a way to fix engagement; and I remember someone saying that they bumped healing up only to screw it over by giving Tanks better self-healing options; which led to things being the same. If they bump up damage again, they have to be mindful of DPS HP Profiles and Defense, and make sure Tanks aren't getting even stronger tools to erase the Healer Role entirely.

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

Also it doesn't change the fact that this whole thread is pathetic and cringe being titled "shame of you Mr Yoshida."

What I'm saying is the game doesn't need to change its design philosophy of every job is a dps to suit you because those games exist elsewhere. Its beyond entitled.

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Entitled...

I wonder why it's thrown around so much when Tanks currently are entitled to their abilities literally making an entire role feel worthless in dungeons other than being a babysitter 90% of the time. If every job is a DPS, then why do Healers have so much healing buttons to the point we don't use 75% of them in dungeons? People would like to know your entitled opinion if you really don't think the game needs to change.

As a tank main. What I am saying is that tanks should not lose their self sustain or have it lowered because its completely unfair when we die to tank busters because a healer don't got it.

Also once again self sustain is balanced for high end and there is no way just to nerf it so you have to hit holy less in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

Entitled...

I wonder why it's thrown around so much when Tanks currently are entitled to their abilities literally making an entire role feel worthless in dungeons other than being a babysitter 90% of the time. If every job is a DPS, then why do Healers have so much healing buttons to the point we don't use 75% of them in dungeons? People would like to know your entitled opinion if you really don't think the game needs to change.

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Because its NORMAL CONTENT. If you want to heal more do harder content. You are literally talking about content that is designed for anyone to do so of course tanks have high sustainability to make up for the healer who is watching netflix on the side and not hitting buttons

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

As a tank main. What I am saying is that tanks should not lose their self sustain or have it lowered because its completely unfair when we die to tank busters because a healer don't got it.

Also once again self sustain is balanced for high end and there is no way just to nerf it so you have to hit holy less in dungeons.

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So you're saying they should not lose their self-sustain because it's unfair when you die to a tank buster? You know...the thing that your entire job is to do? If the Healer isn't paying attention, then that's a skill issue purported by the current problem: Healers don't know what their healing buttons are because they don't get to use them.

PLD? WAR? DRK? GNB? There's really no difference aside from skill in that sense. Self Sustain may be balanced for high-end, but considering a majority of the game is casual content, it'd make more sense to at least make that casual content *not* braindead for one role to the point they don't have to do their job. As I said before, we could easily up the damage if they watch DPS HP Profiles.

Would you like me to regurgitate Raw Intuition and Bloodwhetting? Because your Tank Entitlement is showing that you don't care about your fellow support role.

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

There is content in this game where healers worry about piety. There are piety sets made for ultimate prog for example and they are definitely needed at first.

Some healers struggled in FRU because they were using parsing bis which used a crafted ring to avoid piety and they and the party were melting.

The content is there, its just not the content you want to do.

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Eh the healers you were with were just not that great. I cleared Fru with minimal piety and same goes for savage as well.

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Originally Posted by Maltothoris

Eh the healers you were with were just not that great. I cleared Fru with minimal piety and same goes for savage as well.

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PF man. FRU had some wild PF healers

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

Because its NORMAL CONTENT. If you want to heal more do harder content. You are literally talking about content that is designed for anyone to do so of course tanks have high sustainability to make up for the healer who is watching netflix on the side and not hitting buttons

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Ah yes. Another person who uses the "Go play Ultimate" argument. A good way to get blocked and have your arguments ignored in a thread about Healers and their entire role's identity crisis.

Eh still piety is just a deadweight stat. Look at all the fru bis sheets.

FOr Sge https://xivgear.app/?page=sl|326bbcc...7-c608eeba192e

For Sch https://xivgear.app/?page=sl%7c6bb5f...0-9b50b80e900e

For Whm oh look https://xivgear.app/?page=sl|b170c30...7-fc87ec0195d8

Piety stat gain is the 3rd worst of all the stat for such a measly gain of 1 extra mp per 18/19 piety on materia.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

So you're saying they should not lose their self-sustain because it's unfair when you die to a tank buster? You know...the thing that your entire job is to do? If the Healer isn't paying attention, then that's a skill issue purported by the current problem: Healers don't know what their healing buttons are because they don't get to use them.

PLD? WAR? DRK? GNB? There's really no difference aside from skill in that sense. Self Sustain may be balanced for high-end, but considering a majority of the game is casual content, it'd make more sense to at least make that casual content *not* braindead for one role to the point they don't have to do their job. As I said before, we could easily up the damage if they watch DPS HP Profiles.

Would you like me to regurgitate Raw Intuition and Bloodwhetting? Because your Tank Entitlement is showing that you don't care about your fellow support role.

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No I don't care about you the game you want where to manage HP to the last digit is over there its WoW. But it doesn't have cute cat girls and nightclubs.

It's not my job to die to lazy healers and WAR's mit kit actually kinda sucks in high end. Thrill is awful compared to say camouflage.

They tried to make dungeons more interesting just look at Meso terminal but then everyone complained here that they were too old or disabled and that it needed to be easier.

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

Because its NORMAL CONTENT. If you want to heal more do harder content. You are literally talking about content that is designed for anyone to do so of course tanks have high sustainability to make up for the healer who is watching netflix on the side and not hitting buttons

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80% of my ACTIONS, not GCD’s ACTIONS in an average savage are pressing broil

There isn’t more content to heal in savage it’s just a difference of “press SS or the party wipes” and “press SS or don’t, the tank will make it irrelevant anyway”

For reference less than 30% of a tanks actions are made up of their entire 1-2-3

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

Ah yes. Another person who uses the "Go play Ultimate" argument. A good way to get blocked and have your arguments ignored in a thread about Healers and their entire role's identity crisis.

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Yes go play ultimate or touch grass you complainers. "Waaahhhh my normal content content is boring but I won't do anything else. Its the devs problem!"

"So what if a core part of the class fantasy for healers is helping me, I'm having fun not needing help. I agree healers totally should be made fun, but without making ME need their help."

"Dungeon is supposed to be boring! It's fine!! Just shut up!!"

Like a clockwork. Just another day that ends with 'y'.

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Originally Posted by Maltothoris

[...]Piety stat gain is the 3rd worst of all the stat for such a measly gain of 1 extra mp per 18/19 piety on materia.

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When I first looked that we have healer exclusive stat back in ShB days, I thought they could be something more interesting i.e. increases healing potencies, radius/range, or amplify certain secondary effects from some of their abilities.

I had too much hopes back then lmao.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

80% of my ACTIONS, not GCD’s ACTIONS in an average savage are pressing broil

There isn’t more content to heal in savage it’s just a difference of “press SS or the party wipes” and “press SS or don’t, the tank will make it irrelevant anyway”

For reference less than 30% of a tanks actions are made up of their entire 1-2-3

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My guy if you think tanks make healers irrelevant in savage I'm gonna see if the party can survive a fixer with just rep and shake

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

No I don't care about you the game you want where to manage HP to the last digit is over there its WoW. But it doesn't have cute cat girls and nightclubs.

It's not my job to die to lazy healers and WAR's mit kit actually kinda sucks in high end. Thrill is awful compared to say camouflage.

They tried to make dungeons more interesting just look at Meso terminal but then everyone complained here that they were too old or disabled and that it needed to be easier.

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Who said that? Oh wait. You did. I didn't. I wasn't even implying to manage HP "to the last digit". I just want a basic sense that I'm doing my damn job as a Healer instead of sitting there twiddling my thumbs and watching the Tank just heal by themselves; and when the other three wipe and the Tank continues on to 50% to 0% the boss just to flex? Wastes everybody's time.

You can complain about WAR's mit kit in High End, but it's still a matter of skill with how you plan your mits. It's not rocket science. If you're gonna dig at Meso Terminal because of the 2nd Boss, perhaps you should dig at yourself for not even making a good argument as to why Tanks shouldn't lose their self-sustain; assuming they keep damage normalized as it is with Tank self-sustain in mind next expansion.

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

My guy if you think tanks make healers irrelevant in savage I'm gonna see if the party can survive a fixer with just rep and shake

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That’s why I said it’s a difference of

As in one is for dungeons and one is for savage

Either way 80% of my actions are broil

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

Who said that? Oh wait. You did. I didn't. I wasn't even implying to manage HP "to the last digit". I just want a basic sense that I'm doing my damn job as a Healer instead of sitting there twiddling my thumbs and watching the Tank just heal by themselves; and when the other three wipe and the Tank continues on to 50% to 0% the boss just to flex? Wastes everybody's time.

You can complain about WAR's mit kit in High End, but it's still a matter of skill with how you plan your mits. It's not rocket science. If you're gonna dig at Meso Terminal because of the 2nd Boss, perhaps you should dig at yourself for not even making a good argument as to why Tanks shouldn't lose their self-sustain; assuming they keep damage normalized as it is with Tank self-sustain in mind next expansion.

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Its not about managing your mits. Look at P1 FRU for example with the NA FRU mit but good plan WAR simply doesn't have enough mit to survive the second powder mark trail without buddy mit from a co-tank because thrill does not equal camouflage or oblation.

WAR is great in aoe but has a single target trade off and what you are suggesting will upset the mit balance of tanks. If they delete short cooldowns and self sustain tomorrow high end content becomes an issue. You need short cooldowns and self heals so the healers can pump enough dps to meet the check.

How would you have self sustain lowered in dungeons without taking away from the needed mit for high end?

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

[...]This is why we literally are pushing for more things for the Healers to do with this thread. Adding damage might not always be the answer, but to not make a job boring it sure is a way to fix engagement; and I remember someone saying that they bumped healing up only to screw it over by giving Tanks better self-healing options; which led to things being the same. If they bump up damage again, they have to be mindful of DPS HP Profiles and Defense, and make sure Tanks aren't getting even stronger tools to erase the Healer Role entirely.

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This pattern of their implementation also alludes to another problem they have a habit to perpetuate. A similar example that I could think of was back when they introduce multi-stack marker in EW. I reckon that our ShB... even StB healing kits would be able to handle all of that just fine! But guess what they did? They added new healing tool that's specifically designed to 'press and forget' this one mechanic so we can keep Glaroilficosis'ing. Yep, those two are Panhaima and Lilybell.

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

My guy if you think tanks make healers irrelevant in savage I'm gonna see if the party can survive a fixer with just rep and shake

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My guy if you think Tanks don't make Healers irrelevant in Savage I'm gonna see if the party can beat FRU, DSR, TOP, and TEA without Healers for Ultimate, the hardest content in the game.

The evidence:

No Healer DSR Clear

No Healer TOP Clear

No Healer TEA Clear

No Healer FRU Clear

I'm pretty sure if they can pull this off, there are groups trying to pull off No Healer Clears in Savage for the funnies as small as they are. Oh, and one other thing?

Get your head out of your butt and go play healer yourself in Savage if you feel the way you do.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

This pattern of their implementation also alludes to another problem they have a habit to perpetuate. A similar example that I could think of was back when they introduce multi-stack marker in EW. I reckon that our ShB... even StB healing kits would be able to handle all of that just fine! But guess what they did? They added new healing tool that's specifically designed to 'press and forget' this one mechanic so we can keep Glaroilficosis'ing. Yep, those two are Panhaima and Lilybell.

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It's definitely a headache that they won't even bring up the least common denominator(healers) to actually be fun while Tanks and DPS have their bells in whistles. Instead, Healers just babysit in case someone makes a mistake. They need *something* even though we've been screaming out into the void for years to the point the Healer Sub-Forum is dead.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

My guy if you think Tanks don't make Healers irrelevant in Savage I'm gonna see if the party can beat FRU, DSR, TOP, and TEA without Healers for Ultimate, the hardest content in the game.

The evidence:

No Healer DSR Clear

No Healer TOP Clear

No Healer TEA Clear

No Healer FRU Clear

I'm pretty sure if they can pull this off, there are groups trying to pull off No Healer Clears in Savage for the funnies as small as they are. Oh, and one other thing?

Get your head out of your butt and go play healer yourself in Savage if you feel the way you do.

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Oh yes the best teams in the world can do this so obviously it applies to every healer. Everyone can clear ultimate with no healer. Talk about a disingenuous argument lol. What a joke. Go into party finder and see if you can clear top with 4 tanks and 4 dps. Go on.

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Originally Posted by Ser_Arven

Oh yes the best teams in the world can do this so obviously it applies to every healer. Everyone can clear ultimate with no healer. Talk about a disingenuous argument lol. What a joke. Go into party finder and see if you can clear top with 4 tanks and 4 dps. Go on.

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Bad faith is gonna bad faith. Most people aren't going to even try to No Healer Ultimate unless they're extremely bored or just want to challenge themselves. The clears themselves from the vods show how badly Healers are as is, and this was all on content. Heck, the small ask of you going into Savage playing Healer is honestly more reasonable than what you're asking. Not to mention, you made plenty of disingenuous arguments by not bothering to have a discussion, only opting to repeat things that just about every tank has said at some point to Healers trying to advocate for a better role and showing yourself for the clown you are.

While this guy is being an absolute clown and Tanks could afford a nerf or six, and I say this as someone who Tanks fairly regularly, I also don't think that crazy stunts that are capable by a vanishingly small portion of the playerbase is a good argument for anything, if this was in any way a clever or smart way to do things, then it would've become the PF standard, and then it is a real problem, but it is very much not, it is orders of magnitude harder to do things this way.

And personally, I think stunts like this being possible is actually really cool, it shows that even in a battle system as rigid as XIV's, it can be pushed to the absolute limit.

I honestly still fail to see how something like Bloodwhetting being nerfed to only heal you per weaponskill use rather than per enemy hit would suddenly make WAR bad and unusable in savage.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

While this guy is being an absolute clown and Tanks could afford a nerf or six, and I say this as someone who Tanks fairly regularly, I also don't think that crazy stunts that are capable by a vanishingly small portion of the playerbase is a good argument for anything, if this was in any way a clever or smart way to do things, then it would've become the PF standard, and then it is a real problem, but it is very much not, it is orders of magnitude harder to do things this way.

And personally, I think stunts like this being possible is actually really cool, it shows that even in a battle system as rigid as XIV's, it can be pushed to the absolute limit.

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I mean, I agree in the fact they're definitely really cool feats - but they also show vulnerabilities in the Trinity System as well as the problems that become apparent in lesser content that isn't regulated by role-specific mechanics. It also shows just how much supportive healing that our Tanks and DPS have in current content as well as previous content.

While not a good frame of reference, that vulnerability is what's causing the Healer Role to be less and less relevant. It didn't get to that point we're complaining about it until Endwalker, even though we started this argument of ours in Shadowbringers. I still remember the time when these clears blew up on the Forums and basically exacerbated the problem that it's now a common discussion whenever Healers come up mid-expansion or towards end of expansion. It was even further exacerbated when a certain influencer cleared Ihuykatumu on a Media Tour Build with no Healer as if to prove a point.

All these things build up, and it's becoming increasingly hard to ignore that non-standard can become standard with enough skill. Regardless, that won't change how casuals play the jobs at the base level. At most they'll see their buttons and pick a few that are strong, and rely on them to get them out of any situation as a Tank or Healer if something happens. Emphasis on the 'if something happens'. End of the day, you'll still see standard 1T-1H-2D comps and 2T-2H-4D comps commonly in Duty Finder and PF for any content unless it's Deep Dungeon or Variant.

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[...]And personally, I think stunts like this being possible is actually really cool, it shows that even in a battle system as rigid as XIV's, it can be pushed to the absolute limit.

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IMO, that would be less problematic if SE bothered to extend a similar treatment to the other roles. In this case, they clearly do not favor one of the three at any capacity.

Of course should that actually happens, at that point it opens up yet another can of worm: one might ask what's the point of advertising a trinity role if they're not going to enforce it lol.

I would love to hear from yoshi p now considering this this say this all the way back in stormblood. Souce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5la_nyC5BO0

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First of all, we do not expect healers to contribute to DPS. However we know a lot of the cutting edge players enjoy this aspect about the job and that those progressing in the raids early on use it help clear the fights. We decided to make it so that the idea was more approachable and less punishing so that if a player wants to try it, they aren’t sacrificing all of their healing capabilities to do so like they were with the old Cleric Stance. We didn’t like seeing healers doing entire dungeons in Cleric Stance, especially if they forget to switch back and heal!

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And here was some stuff from shadowbringers source https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...I/edit?tab=t.0

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We really think we need to restructure the way healers are handled. We can’t keep this strict division between pure healer and barrier healer.

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There were some shadowbringers questions in one interview but that has since been deleted.

Then here in endwalker the last expansion we havehttps://www.fanbyte.com/ffxiv/news/f...sage-endwalker

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“We have been trying to make it so that healers are required to perform more heals. The content damage that you are receiving becomes a little more intense, so that healers are a bit more busy,” said Yoshida in the interview, via a live translator. “We are trying to make it so that healers are working a bit harder to do more heals in a battle encounter for sure, and that is kind of the trend that we are trending towards.”

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Now I couldn't find anything here in Dawntrial about healers so honestly, I suspect we will either get something from the next media tour if a healer question is asked in that regard.

So Malt, we have to remember that in Heavensward Healers were moreso criticized for their use of Cleric Stance. We had far more GCD healing back then, and jobs like WHM, SCH, and AST weren't the complete oGCD behemoths we have today. That change in Stormblood in fact made Cleric Stance usable as a slight damage increase for Healers without kneecapping their healing for about 5s.

When it came to Pure/Barrier Healer, it was mainly the issue with AST having two stances, Diurnal and Nocturnal. The difference between Shield and Pure Healers was mainly to try and shoehorn SCH and WHM into separate roles going into Endwalker with Sage, and having two options for which one you wanted. However, it backfired as every healer had options for both Shielding and Pure Healing, which almost made this distinction irrelevant even to this day.

When they did Endwalker, I feel that they picked up on the amount of casts Healers were doing with their damaging GCDs, as well as the lack of GCD Heals. However, the increase in damage profile was also on top of a stat squish - meaning they may have fudged the numbers and thus made the content not very healing intensive, especially once you got to the Tower of Babil. The only thing that was healing intensive was large pulls that were normalized since Shadowbringers, and even that could be managed by a smart Tank.

They haven't said anything in Dawntrail, but we do need answers if we're to get anywhere with Healers. Chances are they hold until FanFest or the Media Tour, and even then he has to answer questions during interviews.

Tank heals aint going nowhere bwahahaha! Bemoan the dead role or rise from the ashes as a green not so big d ps that heals a lot only in hard content or normal content with the raw no cd tankers, noob dark knights and self endangering dps!

Villain larp aside I already know that 8.0 is not gonna change healing much. we're gonna get 1 new 2 minute nuke and 5 new heal spells we dont need to use with john warrior or Clemency Kyle.

-Please look forward to another beastmaster update in 5 years :D