Please stop putting the Crystalline Conflict Glamour Coffer at Rank 25

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Originally Posted by QiyoJoyo

Competition is something people like. Having something unique like a title or set that not everybody gets is a commen reward in mmos.

In WoW there are Mounts you only get if you rank in the current season to a certaint place and when the season is gone, you have no other way to achive that mount.

But nice that you implie that i'm a bad person because i take a little bit of pride when i achive something not everybody gets.

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This argument is nonsense. You do not receive rewards specifically for winning, just for playing at all. you cannot argue these PVP rewards are indicative of player skill or accomplishment, only that they had enough free time to sink into PVP at a very specific time that not everyone can do, or perhaps just don't want to do at that time.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

This argument is nonsense. You do not receive rewards specifically for winning, just for playing at all. you cannot argue these PVP rewards are indicative of player skill or accomplishment, only that they had enough free time to sink into PVP.

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No way, putting in time in a video game for rewards... gives you rewards.

What a discovery

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only that they had enough free time to sink into PVP at a very specific time that not everyone can do, or perhaps just don't' want to do at that time.

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That's too bad, they dont get the rewards then since they didnt play at that point.

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Originally Posted by Asako

Frontline roulette daily should at least give a bigger bonus. You barely get anything from frontline for the amount of time you have to put in. I stopped at rank 15 as I just couldn't be bothered grinding to 25 again. It's simply far too much for a game mode that has died a death. Either that or add the mech walker pvp mode to it, I actually liked that one but it never pops.

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What else should it give? You get half a level from the roulette, which seems pretty generous imo.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

1. I did, but allow me to be clear. You cannot take personal pride in winning a game you had no control over from the start because as you said, whether you win or lose is up to luck.

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1. I can take pride in it. I can see how much damage, how many kills, assists, time on the crystal, heal i got. I see what the statistics of the other players from my and the enemy team. I CAN clearly see if i perform good or bad, if my team was simply much better or if both teams were on the same lvl of skill. Not every win is pure luck, not every lose is my teammates fault.

2. Correct me if i'm wrong but they said they think about it.

3. Several DAYS between MONTHS. Let me check how long the season lastet 6.2 got released on 23.08.2022 and 6.3 got released on 10.01.2023 so you had a little over three months. The msq could be done in two days if you dont rush it. Then new dungeons... new raids.. oh and all the time in between when everybody says he has NOTHING to do. If it would really be a time like 3 Weeks and then your out of luck i could understand you but three months are enough time to do... everything you like, or even not like.

4. I think we will never agree on this one but i will never understand how you let yourself be stressed out only becaus you fear of losing a glam.

You told me to screw off. The definition of entitelment or rather on of them is: the fact of having a right to something. you do not have a right to this glam. You have the chance to get it, but SE do not owe you the right to it, or to me. We both have the same options to get it.

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Originally Posted by Tehmon

Frontlines is just not a feasible option if you are trying to really grind series levels efficiently. The glam coffer tier requires 7.5k exp per series level. I clocked it yesterday when I was finishing my last levels, and it took me roughly 1 hour to earn one level on that tier in CC. Frontlines in no way can reach the same amount of exp in the same amount of time. Even the most perfect scenario of instant queues, hard stomping and winning each game, would fall short (most likely).

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I don't need to grind it efficiently, I just need to grind it enough

Something I like to do to make the grind easier:

Setting a weekly goal.

Week 1: I need to at least get to rank 5

Week 2: Rank 10

Week 3: Rank 15

Week 4: Rank 20

Week 5: Rank 25

You can even take a week or two off if you're bored, as long as you set aside the time to do the grind. Small set goals in little chunks just make it way less of a chore if you are easily distracted or bored like me. :3

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Something I like to do to make the grind easier:

Setting a weekly goal.

Week 1: I need to at least get to rank 5

Week 2: Rank 10

Week 3: Rank 15

Week 4: Rank 20

Week 5: Rank 25

You can even take a week or two off if you're bored, as long as you set aside the time to do the grind. Small set goals in little chunks just make it way less of a chore if you are easily distracted or bored like me. :3

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I wouldn't mind that if the number of points to increase every 5 ranks in the same. The problem is as you go higher, the number of points required exponentially increase. It's very demoralizing to reach rank 15 to think oh I'm 3/5 of the way to getting the glamour chest when in actuality, it's not even halfway there due to the number of points from 16 to 25 higher than from 1 to 15.

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Originally Posted by BeyondTheCurse

Essentially the title.

I know you want people to play PvP so it wasn't a waste of development cost, but putting it at Rank 25, and making the ranks take more EXP every 5 ranks is shite.

I hate PvP in most games, I know it wasn't made for me, but with people who want to play other games, do IRL shit, and suffering through the myriad of shite through the Crystalline conflict (Getting Oneshot, getting stunned locked for the 100th time, teams who don't group up, heals not going off cause of server tick etc) is just not fun.

No Matter how cool the next CC Glam is, I ain't going through this shite again lol

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Exactly! Put it to the last Rank instead!

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Originally Posted by BeyondTheCurse

Essentially the title.

I know you want people to play PvP so it wasn't a waste of development cost, but putting it at Rank 25, and making the ranks take more EXP every 5 ranks is shite.

I hate PvP in most games, I know it wasn't made for me, but with people who want to play other games, do IRL shit, and suffering through the myriad of shite through the Crystalline conflict (Getting Oneshot, getting stunned locked for the 100th time, teams who don't group up, heals not going off cause of server tick etc) is just not fun.

No Matter how cool the next CC Glam is, I ain't going through this shite again lol

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It's repetitive, yeah. CC is fine content and has it's share of problems, but I agree with you that it has even less longevity than savage, and people already are mostly racing savage just to get it over with for doing ultimates. That and PvP is a much higher intensity activity than doing daily PvE quests or other types of content, so burnout happens waaaaay faster.

For those who have been around since they introduced CC in season 1, it is not rhetorical, metaphorical, or any of that nonsense, to say that PvP is a second job and not really a hobby or game. Even if the Square Enix FFXIV team says nothing, the actions the team takes still says everything we need to know as players. They aren't returning old rewards because they need the FOMO to keep the content even alive, as without the rewards the content would just die. No idea why they have to try to force something to stay alive when people legitimate should be taking breaks from the content, but they probably are doing it because of the hallow earth problem of MMOs.

The only path that sounds like it would be flexible enough to accommodate the expansion mid-life crisis problem is something similar to Altarac valley, where it is an ongoing pvp zone that is always proceeding towards some victory point, and players merely push things one way or another. Otherwise the only option they got is forcing FOMO into it and making people repeat the same content over and over again, hoping that the dopamine hit when you win is enough to overcome the losses.

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Originally Posted by QiyoJoyo

1. I can take pride in it. I can see how much damage, how many kills, assists, time on the crystal, heal i got. I see what the statistics of the other players from my and the enemy team. I CAN clearly see if i perform good or bad, if my team was simply much better or if both teams were on the same lvl of skill. Not every win is pure luck, not every lose is my teammates fault.

2. Correct me if i'm wrong but they said they think about it.

3. Several DAYS between MONTHS. Let me check how long the season lastet 6.2 got released on 23.08.2022 and 6.3 got released on 10.01.2023 so you had a little over three months. The msq could be done in two days if you dont rush it. Then new dungeons... new raids.. oh and all the time in between when everybody says he has NOTHING to do. If it would really be a time like 3 Weeks and then your out of luck i could understand you but three months are enough time to do... everything you like, or even not like.

4. I think we will never agree on this one but i will never understand how you let yourself be stressed out only becaus you fear of losing a glam.

You told me to screw off. The definition of entitelment or rather on of them is: the fact of having a right to something. you do not have a right to this glam. You have the chance to get it, but SE do not owe you the right to it, or to me. We both have the same options to get it.

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I'm just going to boil it down to this since you didn't respond to it and it encapsulates my position.

Do you consider playing 100 PVP games over a year, and 100 pvp games over a month to have the same amount of effort put in by the player? If not, why? If so, why are you arguing about entitlement and a lack of effort when that's not what is at issue?

Playing 100 Games over a year is not an effort.
Playing 100 Games in over a month is also not an effort, but if you really want to compare both: Yes, a Player that plays 100 Games in a month put in more work, in a shorter timeframe.

Do you consider walking 20km over a day more effort then running 20km in a certain time?

In the end, we both traveld 20km, we should be treated equal. But for some reason people that run 20km in a short time are considers athlets and me, walking 20km at work over 8h is considerd a normal person.

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Originally Posted by QiyoJoyo

Playing 100 Games over a year is not an effort.
Playing 100 Games in over a month is also not an effort, but if you really want to compare both: Yes, a Player that plays 100 Games in a month put in more work, in a shorter timeframe.

Do you consider walking 20km over a day more effort then running 20km in a certain time?

In the end, we both traveld 20km, we should be treated equal. But for some reason people that run 20km in a short time are considers athlets and me, walking 20km at work over 8h is considerd a normal person.

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Is walking 20km the same on a treadmill vs walking 20km in yellow stone national park?

Quantitively both people walked the same distance, but if someone were to ask which of the two found more fulfillment in the task the latter would definitely feel like they had accomplished more. PvP in CC repeatedly over 100 games is effectively treadmill running: Even if someone gave rewards along the way it wouldn't even matter in the end since once the person gets the reward, they are going to look back and realize how empty that journey was. The only pride they could take is that they put themselves through a painful process and can find some level of catharsis, much like getting a free cookie at a blood bank.

This is the crux of what the OP is getting at and why the whole deal with pvp right now is a problem. If they had more things to do in PvP that could provide variety for those 100+ games then it would workout a bit better. As it stands right now someone is liable to feel the crust around the edges as soon as they get to rank 15.

It's very much like Diablo 3 end game where there's literally only one thing to do, vs something like Path of Exile where they at least got a few different modes of play to explore, as well as incentive to go back and try new builds later so as not to be trapped in the same box forever. Also, ranked players seem to have a huge difference in how they feel about CC vs non-ranked, and this is probably due to the pool of players being far smaller in ranked. The two have very different cultures and generally ranked players care about how fast the game gets ended and not just if they win.

Depends.

What if the one on the treadmill is working to lose weight, after letting himself go because of a nasty breakup? Why should only the one that walks in yellow stone feel accomplished or fulfillment.

Everyone that argues that playing while the season is active, is a crux...seems to really do not like pvp and thats the error in the first place. You do this because you want the glam, but not to play pvp and because of that you think everybody hates pvp as much as you or feels exhaust after 100 or 1000 matches. I love pvp, even if i really suck at it sometimes and i have fun in EACH match. I dont feel burdend by playing till i got lvl 25.

And why do you or CerusSerenad always say i can not take pride in my accomplishment. I said it before, you can see the statistics, you know when the enemy knows his class or when your teammates only mindless run around.

PvP is a Gamemode like any other and if you do not enjoy it, yes then grinding 16h for lvl 25 is harsh... but well if you want the glam so much you will have to endure then the glam was made as reward for pvp players and not for you.

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Originally Posted by QiyoJoyo

Playing 100 Games over a year is not an effort.
Playing 100 Games in over a month is also not an effort, but if you really want to compare both: Yes, a Player that plays 100 Games in a month put in more work, in a shorter timeframe.

Do you consider walking 20km over a day more effort then running 20km in a certain time?

In the end, we both traveld 20km, we should be treated equal. But for some reason people that run 20km in a short time are considers athlets and me, walking 20km at work over 8h is considerd a normal person.

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You're comparing playing 100 games spread out about different times to walking vs sprinting, that is not the case.

The effort of the PVP games themselves do not change regardless of how close together the separate games are. 100 games is 100 games. You're effectively trying to argue that a pound of feathers and a pound of bricks weigh different amounts... despite still being a pound each.

That playing more games in a shorter amount of time is more TAXING on the player is a different concept altogether, and lauding it should not be something you aim to do. Your argument was "prestige PVP rewards should not be given away for non-effort", but 100 PVP games is 100 PVP games, the amount of effort has not changed just the convenience at which players may perform that effort.

Your argument has boiled down to "I don't care about the effort you put in, I care about how many inconveniences you're willing to endure while still putting in that effort." which is something I entirely disagree with supporting, hence my hard stance against the Series Malmstone system.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

You're comparing playing 100 games spread out about different times to walking vs sprinting, that is not the case.

The effort of the PVP games themselves do not change regardless of how close together the separate games are. 100 games is 100 games. You're effectively trying to argue that a pound of feathers and a pound of bricks weigh different amounts... despite still being a pound each.

That playing more games in a shorter amount of time is more TAXING on the player is a different concept altogether, and lauding it should not be something you aim to do. Your argument was "prestige PVP rewards should not be given away for non-effort", but 100 PVP games is 100 PVP games, the amount of effort has not changed just the convenience at which players may perform that effort.

Your argument has boiled down to "I don't care about the effort you put in, I care about how many inconveniences you're willing to endure while still putting in that effort." which is something I entirely disagree with supporting, hence my hard stance against the Series Malmstone system.

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Also not helping much that we don't know the fate of the rewards that cycle out. Historically PvP rewards became part of the wolf marks system, but nothing that has rotated to wolfmarks from the malmstone or crystal trophy points, and it isn't in the best interest of the company to reveal the fate of those rewards, either.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

You're comparing playing 100 games spread out about different times to walking vs sprinting, that is not the case.

The effort of the PVP games themselves do not change regardless of how close together the separate games are. 100 games is 100 games. You're effectively trying to argue that a pound of feathers and a pound of bricks weigh different amounts... despite still being a pound each.

That playing more games in a shorter amount of time is more TAXING on the player is a different concept altogether, and lauding it should not be something you aim to do. Your argument was "prestige PVP rewards should not be given away for non-effort", but 100 PVP games is 100 PVP games, the amount of effort has not changed just the convenience at which players may perform that effort.

Your argument has boiled down to "I don't care about the effort you put in, I care about how many inconveniences you're willing to endure while still putting in that effort." which is something I entirely disagree with supporting, hence my hard stance against the Series Malmstone system.

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20km are 20 km, the difference is the time it got done.

And thats exactly what you are saying over and over 100 games are 100 games. Or not? So why is somone that runs that 20km a athlete and i'm not? I do the 20km in MY time! Does this sound familiar to you, hrm?

The 100 or 10000 games are taxing to YOU and some people that only want this glam.

My argument boils down in: If you want something, from a gamemode you do not like, you will have to life with the inconceniences.

Your argument boils down to: I dont want other players to have something, i dont have. I want to play over a year a game there and there and then get the same reward as everybody that grinds in time. Because it would be unfair for ME if they got something i dont.

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Originally Posted by QiyoJoyo

20km are 20 km, the difference is the time it got done.

And thats exactly what you are saying over and over 100 games are 100 games. Or not? So why is somone that runs that 20km a athlete and i'm not? I do the 20km in MY time! Does this sound familiar to you, hrm?

The 100 or 10000 games are taxing to YOU and some people that only want this glam.

My argument boils down in: If you want something, from a gamemode you do not like, you will have to life with the inconceniences.

Your argument boils down to: I dont want other players to have something, i dont have. I want to play over a year a game there and there and then get the same reward as everybody that grinds in time. Because it would be unfair for ME if they got something i dont.

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Incorrect. Your argument is not "live with the consequences of your decisions", it's "I don't care about the effort itself, I only care that you had to suffer like I did." Do not attempt to pretty it up given that I broke it down rather definitively just a short while ago. You said it yourself. You consider playing 100 games of PVP a non-effort by itself, it's doing it in a short amount of time that is exceedingly tedious and exhausting that you care about.

I'll also kindly ask you shove it with your additional attempt at misrepresenting what I'm saying. My argument is "I don't want to be threatened with losing access to rewards forever because I didn't want to play PVP as much during a specific time period." We don't treat Ultimates like this. We don't treat Relics like this. We don't treat any other piece of content like this except for seasonal events which later get added to the mogstation anyway and only take an hour tops if you're rushing. YoshiP himself has stated that players should feel comfortable taking breaks from the game, but this is directly antithetical to that sentiment.

If YoshiP truly believes in the idea of taking breaks from FFXIV without stress or pressure, he should push to remove the Series Malmstone system, and redistribute the rewards to trophy crystals, wolf marks, or some other means of attainment that is not time-limited.

But go off about how you prefer players not put in effort, but inconvenience themselves playing a repetitive game mode in a clearly manipulative FOMO system that is designed to lock players in on the threat of missing out on unique glamor, mounts, and pets. Clearly THAT'S healthy for players and a game as a whole...

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

Incorrect. Your argument is not "live with the consequences of your decisions", it's "I don't care about the effort itself, I only care that you had to suffer like I did." Do not attempt to pretty it up given that I broke it down rather definitively just a short while ago. You said it yourself. You consider playing 100 games of PVP a non-effort by itself, it's doing it in a short amount of time that is exceedingly tedious and exhausting that you care about.

I'll also kindly ask you shove it with your additional attempt at misrepresenting what I'm saying. My argument is "I don't want to be threatened with losing access to rewards forever because I didn't want to play PVP as much during a specific time period." We don't treat Ultimates like this. We don't treat Relics like this. We don't treat any other piece of content like this except for seasonal events which later get added to the mogstation anyway and only take an hour tops if you're rushing. YoshiP himself has stated that players should feel comfortable taking breaks from the game, but this is directly antithetical to that sentiment.

If YoshiP truly believes in the idea of taking breaks from FFXIV without stress or pressure, he should push to remove the Series Malmstone system, and redistribute the rewards to trophy crystals, wolf marks, or some other means of attainment that is not time-limited.

But go off about how you prefer players not put in effort, but inconvenience themselves playing a repetitive game mode in a clearly manipulative FOMO system that is designed to lock players in on the threat of missing out on unique glamor, mounts, and pets. Clearly THAT'S healthy for players and a game as a whole...

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Oh my god will you stop crying about it already, if you dont want to do it, just dont do it, its not rocket science, dont complain you dont get the reward tied to it then, jesus

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Oh my god will you stop crying about it already, if you dont want to do it, just dont do it, its not rocket science, dont complain you dont get the reward tied to it then, jesus

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He will do it until he gets all the rewards after one game, or he will sue SE for his burn out because he was FORCED to play... he cannot live without it.

I love his Yoshi P rambling. Because you also get your house taken from you if you take a long break from ff14 but thats not his concern. He needs the Glam, or he will drop dead....or drop and the floor and throw a tantrum.

Edith: Before he will throw insults at me: Sorry, he wants the rewards to mean nothing and that you can get them for money or for 100,000 Wolfmarks, but after all i read so far, even if SE will do that, he will cry about the grind beeing to intense. Because PVP is bad.

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Originally Posted by QiyoJoyo

He will do it until he gets all the rewards after one game, or he will sue SE for his burn out because he was FORCED to play... he cannot live without it.

I love his Yoshi P rambling. Because you also get your house taken from you if you take a long break from ff14 but thats not his concern. He needs the Glam, or he will drop dead....or drop and the floor and throw a tantrum.

Edith: Before he will throw insults at me: Sorry, he wants the rewards to mean nothing and that you can get them for money or for 100,000 Wolfmarks, but after all i read so far, even if SE will do that, he will cry about the grind beeing to intense. Because PVP is bad.

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It is now abundantly clear that you are either arguing in INCREDIBLY poor faith, or a troll. I am now thoroughly convinced by your behavior that it's both. As such I will not continue this discussion with you. Have a nice life, try not to treat everyone in your life like this.

Some real goalpost tango in here.

I put up with you for a good amount of time, but after that it was abundantly clear for me, that you will do nothing other then cry so yeah. I should have stoped giving two cents about it after you got insulted by getting called entiteld, what you are.

How nice that you never aknowledged that fact.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Some real goalpost tango in here.

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Anything in particular?

This discussion took a turn towards the petulant.

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Originally Posted by EliaStormblade

This discussion took a turn towards the petulant.

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Not much to be done about it, some people are just petty.

Okay to put this back on track...

https://i.imgur.com/6iIZVqW.png

This is a chart showing how the rewards get distributed based upon 1000 EXP block units. Each line is a specific tier that is defined by the total amount of EXP needed per rank. Each Rank is shown using a small red circle (which also indicates a reward distribution).

Looking at the distribution, it can be shown that rewards are given more frequently at the lower tiers, with one reward being distributed every 2000 points. This increases to 3000 points on the second tier, 4000 points on the third, 5500 points on the fourth, and 7500 points on the fifth.

A single match is either 900 points or 700 points from CC, and 1000 points base in a frontlines, with a bonus of either 250 points or 500 points depending on the victory. Losses are weighed more heavily on cost to the player as they have to deal with not only a decrease in reward, but also have to deal with the psychological aspects of loss. The time of a single CC match should be five minutes but in reality almost always goes to overtime when both teams are about even. Also, queue times are not instant and there is at least a minute wait period before each round starts, so the time of a CC match is typically more around 8-10 minutes.

Yes, if someone focused on this content exclusively they could hypothetically clear the tier fairly quickly, but most people are not focusing on just one thing in this game, they are trying to do multiple tasks in a schedule. The other factor working against people is that non-ranked play does not pit people of equal skill against one another. In fact, it dumps gold and platinum players up against bronze and silver players. This is important as ranked play dies after the first few weeks of the tier because to get gold or platinum locked in, you have to beat your way to the top in RNG and then just stop playing. FYI, this is a bad design and it was carried from MOBAs. True competitive play needs a tree structure and a selection period, not a tossed salad approach.

There is kind of a serious question here as to who the content is supposed to be for. If the rewards rotate out and have no place they appear afterwards than this is literally a hardcore throughfare and not meant for people on average to participate in, which seems counter intuitive to the idea of having "casual matches" even available in match making. If the rewards do appear outside of the rankings after a season finishes, like being dumped into wolf marks, then it is a casual option and puts less pressure to have to deal with the series points. So far items have not rotated into wolf marks, so this suggests they want it to be a hardcore pvp option in FFXIV since the items are supposed to make the content special.

Personally, I'm team casual and would totally say they should be rotating these because it would give people access to the items just like how people can retro run savage for glamour gear. Even if it all has to be series exp now instead of wolf marks, and they want to move to something like last expansion rewards are wolf marks and current are crystaline conflict points.

The simple truth is that Crystalline Conflict is incredibly poorly designed to begin with, and the reward structure requiring you to engage in such a large number of games to complete the season truly is meant for nothing other than to get people to keep playing. That said, changing it would be pointless. People shouldn't get something for nothing.

What I'm more concerned about is all the cheating going on to this day. It's always the same people, too. They'll just cheat for months on end with no repercussions, stop for a while, then pick back up when the next season drops. Nothing changes. That makes CC even more of a slog than it already is.

Simple Question:

Where does it state that the rewards are made for casual matches and not for that, what alot of people here implied: For PVP-Players.

On the first Pages someone did the math: For rank 25 you need 16h in Matchtime, if you only play CC, over 4 months. With two matches a day you get Rank 25 in around 60 Days, so 2 months. If you play a little more on the weekends you get it in 1 months.

Where is this "hardcore" its not even on the lvl of the daily rouletts.

You really argue about "effort" if you have to play 3 or 4 matches a day and get all the rewards.

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Originally Posted by QiyoJoyo

Simple Question:

Where does it state that the rewards are made for casual matches and not for that, what alot of people here implied: For PVP-Players.

On the first Pages someone did the math: For rank 25 you need 16h in Matchtime, if you only play CC, over 4 months. With two matches a day you get Rank 25 in around 60 Days, so 2 months. If you play a little more on the weekends you get it in 1 months.

Where is this "hardcore" its not even on the lvl of the daily rouletts.

You really argue about "effort" if you have to play 3 or 4 matches a day and get all the rewards.

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Not all of them are. Like the crystal trophy points are not hardcore rewards because they can be taken with you and used to buy rewards in the next tier. Hardcore rewards are those that rotate out after a time limit and don't usually return for an extremely long period of time, if ever. Case in point the Hellhound armor that was released that hardly anyone owns. Even if the content itself can be participated in by anyone, only some people will ever have the rewards from a season because they have to be actively playing to get those rewards.

Actual arguments about "oh I can complete this content in x time so..." are assuming someone being active during a period of time and completing content, which then enables them to get the rewards more quickly than someone who doesn't. This does not necessarily change the time limited nature of the rewards being available. It also doesn't impact the variable tolerance for loss that people possess among other aspects that are outside of the control of the developers. Hardcore rewards are not necessarily "hard to get" when they are active.

My biggest complaint is that I'm at 30+10 and I have nothing to spend these crystals on lol. I love PVP but I need more stuff for my grind.

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Originally Posted by EliaStormblade

If you derive value from having something others don't (for no other reason than arbitrary timelocking) then I don't think it's in any developer's best interest to humor or validate you.

There is no 'working for it'. Malmstone rewards don't fundamentally change in difficulty. It's still the same farm and still the same % of winning/losing, if it's 6.1 or 6.5. At best, some jobs might perform slightly better or less than before, but the difference is minuscule and not worth taking into account.

If someone got the Archfiend attire, they didn't necessarily put in more work than someone who got the False Monarchy attire, or someone who gets the next Malmstone glam coffer. There is no distinguishing factor, so there is literally no reason to make it FOMO.

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What a braindead take.

Work is work, whether or not it's a grind. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be a complaint about it being "difficult" to obtain.

The fact you don't think having something no one else has is not an incentive is asinine... Look at all the glowing ultimate weapons in limsa or week 1 items. People running around with rare/expensive mounts or minions. Have you seen the mog station? Do you not understand why people buy stuff off it?

Fomo how? You have 4 months to get it barely playing a whopping 2 matches a day, maybe 13 minutes of your time. The entitlement and laziness of this playerbase is mind boggling.

Its nice that atleast some people do not talk down to someone.

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Originally Posted by Troxbark

What a braindead take.

Work is work, whether or not it's a grind. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be a complaint about it being "difficult" to obtain.

The fact you don't think having something no one else has is not an incentive is asinine... Look at all the glowing ultimate weapons in limsa or week 1 items. People running around with rare/expensive mounts or minions. Have you seen the mog station? Do you not understand why people buy stuff off it?

Fomo how? You have 4 months to get it barely playing a whopping 2 matches a day, maybe 13 minutes of your time. The entitlement and laziness of this playerbase is mind boggling.

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That you say "What a braindead take" and then follow up with "Fomo how?" is a level of irony I haven't seen in a while.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

The simple truth is that Crystalline Conflict is incredibly poorly designed to begin with.

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What exactly is poorly designed about it?

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Originally Posted by QiyoJoyo

Its nice that atleast some people do not talk down to someone.

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I'm hopefully not talking down to you. I've just been dealing with the pvp grind lately and started seeing the rough edges on the thing. After the first Crystal Conflict Season for the special archfiend attire I thought I'd be done with it, but they released another glamour set that is time limited and now I'm back to grinding again.

FFXIV is just not a good PvP game and never was. Originally before Crystal Conflict it was all wolf marks and there was no time limit on getting items, so even if it was not the most impressive content, it wasn't really pushing people into doing it either. Now it is turning into limited time deals. "Come buy this shiny new jar now or you'll never have it!" The game was founded on being what other games were not, so seeing them do what other games do at end game to try to mentally force people into playing it feels unnatural. Perhaps even more so now that we're in the dull, slow point between expansions where content is drip fed and the only thing left are these long grind type activities.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

I'm hopefully not talking down to you. I've just been dealing with the pvp grind lately and started seeing the rough edges on the thing. After the first Crystal Conflict Season for the special archfiend attire I thought I'd be done with it, but they released another glamour set that is time limited and now I'm back to grinding again.

FFXIV is just not a good PvP game and never was. Originally before Crystal Conflict it was all wolf marks and there was no time limit on getting items, so even if it was not the most impressive content, it wasn't really pushing people into doing it either. Now it is turning into limited time deals. "Come buy this shiny new jar now or you'll never have it!" The game was founded on being what other games were not, so seeing them do what other games do at end game to try to mentally force people into playing it feels unnatural. Perhaps even more so now that we're in the dull, slow point between expansions where content is drip fed and the only thing left are these long grind type activities.

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Personally I have fun in PVP, and so does a certain percentage of the playerbase else it wouldnt exist, the game shouldnt adapt to those that dislike PVP in the game, it should adapt to those that keep the system going by actually playing it.

They could balance it more ,absolutely, but malmstones keep people playing the gamemode, and not only for the rewards, some people like me just genuinely have fun in it.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

I'm hopefully not talking down to you. I've just been dealing with the pvp grind lately and started seeing the rough edges on the thing. After the first Crystal Conflict Season for the special archfiend attire I thought I'd be done with it, but they released another glamour set that is time limited and now I'm back to grinding again.

FFXIV is just not a good PvP game and never was. Originally before Crystal Conflict it was all wolf marks and there was no time limit on getting items, so even if it was not the most impressive content, it wasn't really pushing people into doing it either. Now it is turning into limited time deals. "Come buy this shiny new jar now or you'll never have it!" The game was founded on being what other games were not, so seeing them do what other games do at end game to try to mentally force people into playing it feels unnatural. Perhaps even more so now that we're in the dull, slow point between expansions where content is drip fed and the only thing left are these long grind type activities.

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You know you don't have to get every piece of glamour in the game right? God forbid content exists for pvpers to work towards. Rank 25 isn't even a grind and this really just seems like a you problem.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

That you say "What a braindead take" and then follow up with "Fomo how?" is a level of irony I haven't seen in a while.

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You have 4 months to complete it at an extremely casual pace, there is no fomo.

Do the babies get that upset that their limsa afk might get interrupted for 13 minutes? Oh noooo!

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Originally Posted by Ransu

What exactly is poorly designed about it?

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Idk about the guy who posted it, but I'd say CC isn't poorly designed it's just that FF14 is poorly designed for PvP. The game doesn't allow for plays like you would see in WoW or more responsive MMORPGs.

I think the most ethical way to deal with this is put the exclusive items in an in-game shop after a set time. I think selling them for crystals (maybe for a larger amount) so players still have to play the same PvP mode.