New winter glam for mogstation and not xmas event

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I agree. Nowadays I prefer a subscription over anything F2P. And XIV is like quadruple dipping at this point.

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So, $45 per month would be ok if that's where the break-even point is located?

The first MMO to increase their sub is the first to go. There's way too much competition for people's time these days, especially with all the streaming services. At least we've finally gotten away from an expansion every year.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

Yoshi-P himself.

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Thank you, every time this comes up in a thread I always get the most frustrated because I've posted a few times with "our sub money and the amount of money we pay for the game does not go back to just the devs" I don't know how many times.

They have already stated that every dollar spent in the Mogstation goes directly to the devs, so you literally have Fantasia addicts and the whales to thank for a higher budget for the game, since that's added into the budget they get directly from the company to make patches and xpacs.

Sub money + game sales go to the company as a whole to pay for rent, salaries, new equipment (hardware + software), insurance for their employees, utilities, development into other games - which, I will note, other games' sales also go back into FFXIV since it goes into a pool for profits, because that's how it works - and whatever else they do that isn't public.

The Mogstation team has always been separate, and while it's frustrating to see something that would have been perfect for an event (the spriggan mount would have been perfect for Easter and I will truly die on that hill) it's not something the dev team thought of or would have put in the game otherwise. Sucks sometimes, but I'd rather see something appear in game than not at all.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

If anyone makes a statement like that about a co-employee in a public presentation, then I would highly expect it was said in a more joking manner than you are portraying it to be.

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I remember this in a LL, and it was definitely said with fondness that she's got a very strong personality lol. It wasn't joking or a 'scared' sort of statement, but definitely with fondness.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

At the most optimistic viewpoint, it means that I get a cheaper base subscription while the people who want everything can pay extra for it.

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Except you don't cause they barely ever touch that price and don't adjust it depending on how much people spend on the Mog shop. The game is at it peak and we got lots of sales now yet the subs price still the same.

Older mmo didn't change sub price when cashshop got added.


It just sad seeing people defend the cashshop. It somewhat okay to just accept it here, but it another thing going out of you wayt to say it a good thing and defending it on forums

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

Older mmo didn't change sub price when cashshop got added.

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That should tell you how beneficial it is to the game and how important it is to at least stay competitive with other subscription services. There are plenty of articles out there about how the subscription fees aren't enough to keep games afloat. There was once a time where they even considered in-game ads to supplement income.

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

It just sad seeing people defend the cashshop. It somewhat okay to just accept it here, but it another thing going out of you wayt to say it a good thing and defending it on forums

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I did say "at the most optimistic viewpoint". I am on the fence as to whether it is a good thing, as we do not and cannot have all the facts about how the sub price is structured and where it goes.

If it is indeed subsidising my base payment, I'm fine with it.

If they could afford to put these things in the base game and not raise the subscription price, that's bad.

Ultimately we don't know, although as long as we continue to get a large number of glamours within the game, I am not too bothered by the occasional one being a paid extra.

How many worlds need to be added before the math adds up for where mogstation profits go? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

How many worlds need to be added before the math adds up for where mogstation profits go? :rolleyes:

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1 - It still doesn't stop Sparky from dying every now and then
2 - Maths? Dude, this is the FF14 community, you know darn well half their brains imploded upon hearing "Prime Numbers".

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

1 - It still doesn't stop Sparky from dying every now and then
2 - Maths? Dude, this is the FF14 community, you know darn well half their brains imploded upon hearing "Prime Numbers".

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2 - I always forget. My bad. :)

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

Yoshi-P himself.

He's said over several liveletters that the mogstation team is effectively an autonomous team that does what it wants as long as it doesn't collide with what the actual FF14 team is doing in regards to outfits/mounts/etc. He even described the woman who leads the mogstation team as a scary 'Empress' type of person.

Sorry, but I'm gonna have to blow your mind here: Without the mogstation, FF14 wouldn't even generate 'steady profits', it'd be a blip in the financial report and barely worth the maintenance costs to run for the company comparatively. The cost for AAA game development has been rising rapidly the past half a decade, alongside inflation. The fact the $15/month sub price hasn't risen in close to a decade is almost entirely thanks to the mogstation allowing others to pick up your tab of the true monthly sub price. Let's do some math, shall we?

Lucky Bancho's latest census for 6.2 puts about 1.45million active characters. Now for the sake of giving every advantage possible to the sub profits by stacking everything in its favor, lets pretend each and every one of those 1.45million characters is a unique service account (absolutely untrue) that is also paying $15/month (also absolutely untrue, between entry & legacy sub costs), and finally, pretend every single character is subbed every single month of the year (also untrue). Factoring in everything, this equates to about $261million/year. and this is the theoretical highest.

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So what you're saying is they make 150-200M of subs alone per year and without the shop there wouldn't be steady profit? If only x % of the active subs occasionally buys something from the shop how is it the majority of profit? Aside from the fanta addicts. Missing the logic here.

If it is a necessary evil the people running it are honestly doing a poor job with the current setup. Just to name a few examples, undyable, gender locked and inseparable costumes, outdated selection.

Also I'm not sure what Yoshi said is correct, or how he really meant it. Why would the mogstation be autonomous from the rest of the FF XIV team? They're one and the same creative business unit. If it were true why aren't there near duplicates items yet ? One would think it eventually collides with quest, login or event rewards.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

That should tell you how beneficial it is to the game and how important it is to at least stay competitive with other subscription services. There are plenty of articles out there about how the subscription fees aren't enough to keep games afloat. There was once a time where they even considered in-game ads to supplement income.

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Beneficial to the game? Competitive? We really gonna judge game competitiveness on how good their cash shop are? Jeez it sad how much they made you believe it a good thing.

Yea MMO do cost a lot to keep up, but the reason cash shop exist is cause it free money. SE goal is to make money and not having a cash shop is just saying to no to low effort incomes.

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

Beneficial to the game? Competitive? We really gonna judge game competitiveness on how good their cash shop are? Jeez it sad how much they made you believe it a good thing.

Yea MMO do cost a lot to keep up, but the reason cash shop exist is cause it free money. SE goal is to make money and not having a cash shop is just saying to no to low effort incomes.

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Ok, business mogul. You know better. (not :rolleyes:)

I was talking about competitive pricing for entertainment services, but you wanna go off on this rant against the shop. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

How hard is it to poke some damn holes?! Let it clip I don’t care but let me wear it.

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Most viera headgear doesnt even actualy need the holes, just the plain clipping itself often does a fine enough job. Due to the furry ears the holes can be obfuscated.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Ok, business mogul. You know better. (not :rolleyes:)

I was talking about competitive pricing for entertainment services, but you wanna go off on this rant against the shop. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Price are something similar or higer, not that having competitive price on a cashop make your game any better. Then again I will assume you will do bad faith argument like you do in any tread I see you.

The cash shop is irrelevant because it's all optional luxuries.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

The cash shop is irrelevant because it's all optional luxuries.

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Opotional luxuries that could be free and obtainable in game.

I like my businesses to stay open, thank you very much, especially having seen so many close down in the last couple years.

Does anyone actually know how the cash shop works, or that its a separate team. The people who make the stuff in the cash shop are not the main devs. The people who make the chinese originated stuff are another team entirely as well, but they work with the cash shop design team to port stuff over.

That's two different teams, and not main SE. I wish the devs would explain how these things work more often so that people could relax. They should think about making a behind the scenes on the cash shop, and then the chinese/korean teams as well. Would be great for shedding light on this for those that aren't familiar.

I think that is the main problem. Creative Business Unit III, and the rest of Square Enix could do a better job being a bit more transparent, but I fear that Final Fantasy XV made the company more averse to shedding light, and talking about things too soon. Its a shame, because its actually about balance.

Speaking of the Chinese cash shop this mount is coming soon looks like if it's not already there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tm_name=iossmf

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Does anyone actually know how the cash shop works, or that its a separate team. The people who make the stuff in the cash shop are not the main devs. The people who make the chinese originated stuff are another team entirely as well, but they work with the cash shop design team to port stuff over.

That's two different teams, and not main SE. I wish the devs would explain how these things work more often so that people could relax. They should think about making a behind the scenes on the cash shop, and then the chinese/korean teams as well. Would be great for shedding light on this for those that aren't familiar.

I think that is the main problem. Creative Business Unit III, and the rest of Square Enix could do a better job being a bit more transparent, but I fear that Final Fantasy XV made the company more averse to shedding light, and talking about things too soon. Its a shame, because its actually about balance.

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Why do they have to be so transparent? They're just selling some digital outfits? People get lost on the weirdest things. Just enjoy the game already, maybe help populate one of the new worlds that was magically funded by a mystery entity that's apparently not the mogstation because SE is evil and siphons everything out. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

Opotional luxuries that could be free and obtainable in game.

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A lot of them were event items. Deveryn's right, they don't have an impact in-game unless you think emoting and glamouring are that intrinsic to the basic functionality of the game.
Plus, they need to make money somehow, and it's not like our subscription fees alone cover monthly costs. Be they technological or otherwise.

Not to mention how most profit doesn't even go to the game or its team anyway. That's not a SE-only problem, that's how companies work in general.

While people continue to die on this hill, we're looking at getting a new outfit from Heavensturn and apparently another outfit from Tataru, plus other goodies in 6.3.

#ungrateful

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I like my businesses to stay open, thank you very much, especially having seen so many close down in the last couple years.

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Except said businesses only exist cause of greed and not to benefit the player, plus it been Proven with FFXI still being open and with no cash shop that the game can run on subs only.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

A lot of them were event items. Deveryn's right, they don't have an impact in-game unless you think emoting and glamouring are that intrinsic to the basic functionality of the game.
Plus, they need to make money somehow, and it's not like our subscription fees alone cover monthly costs. Be they technological or otherwise.

Not to mention how most profit doesn't even go to the game or its team anyway. That's not a SE-only problem, that's how companies work in general.

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And those items could simply be obtainable again dring event rerun, but they aren't.

MMO don't give lots of money but they certainly can sustain themselves on subs.

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

Except said businesses only exist cause of greed and not to benefit the player, plus it been Proven with FFXI still being open and with no cash shop that the game can run on subs only.

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The game doesn't run on subs only. You're charged for extra characters and the mog wardrobe. They've also dropped a couple servers.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

The game doesn't run on subs only. You're charged for extra characters and the mog wardrobe. They've also dropped a couple servers.

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SO we gonna assume FFXIV Can't run on subs only even with more server when they are the most played MMO currently?

Going by games that just didn't have enough of a fleshed-out monetization and when aged were dropped to be put on life support (or revamped and put out as "brand-new" so that it's caught up on monetization, see OW 2), AAA companies just aren't interested in maintaining games that aren't constantly making them money - over at SQEX they probably know that when patches are months old the money graph turns into a trough, so "at least" those still playing have a chance to buy things from the Store. They not only have peaks when patches or expansions drop, but also on Store sale days, or whenever a new item is released.

It's just how it is.

I'm almost in a loop with that one person and I refuse to complete it. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

While people continue to die on this hill, we're looking at getting a new outfit from Heavensturn and apparently another outfit from Tataru, plus other goodies in 6.3.

#ungrateful

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Don't forget an entire set for each role in the upcoming dungeon, and another in the 24 man raids.
Like, we get a lot of gear and glam options. Too much, one may say.

You know this a company they care about profits and all sub games have a cash shop no one is forcing you to use it.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Don't forget an entire set for each role in the upcoming dungeon, and another in the 24 man raids.
Like, we get a lot of gear and glam options. Too much, one may say.

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You mean the recolored Dun Scaith set? Oh boy, hope YoshiP didn't personally have to drink another Monster to make that one happen. Such sacrifice...

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Don't forget an entire set for each role in the upcoming dungeon, and another in the 24 man raids.
Like, we get a lot of gear and glam options. Too much, one may say.

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Oh yeah, I'm so excited to have another patch where 90% of the newly developed gear is labeled as incompatible with my character due to "restrictions". We're just drowning in glam options here.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Oh yeah, I'm so excited to have another patch where 90% of the newly developed gear is labeled as incompatible with my character due to "restrictions". We're just drowning in glam options here.

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It might be time to accept it and move on. :rolleyes: or fanta. :D

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Originally Posted by Azuri

You mean the recolored Dun Scaith set? Oh boy, hope YoshiP didn't personally have to drink another Monster to make that one happen. Such sacrifice...

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Wait wait wait, Dun Scaith recolors again?. Please no, where did they mention that?

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Wait wait wait, Dun Scaith recolors again?. Please no, where did they mention that?

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I think they meant this:
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/...252.1669645856

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

I think they meant this:
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/...252.1669645856

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Oh man, I hope they just decided to hide what the actual set will be instead of giving yet another recolor as reward...
That would be very disappointing.

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Originally Posted by ameliaw

Oh man, I hope they just decided to hide what the actual set will be instead of giving yet another recolor as reward...
That would be very disappointing.

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They've done some role switching as well, healers in the caster gear, dancer in the monk/ninja and I think that's a SAM in the tank gear

Whether they're dyeable or not it's up in the air. Although it IS role swapped, so there's the silver lining... maybe.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

They've done some role switching as well, healers in the caster gear, dancer in the monk/ninja and I think that's a SAM in the tank gear

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Lame. They could have at least picked Ivalice gear instead of this set AGAIN...

Ugh that set is even on the market if Im not mistaken wth......third time? Really?
https://media.tenor.com/cqLg5rGWrmQA...er-annoyed.gif