Relic Weapon Revival (06/06/2012)

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Originally Posted by Darkillumina

Do this grind, enjoy it (somehow) but don't fucking excuse this bullshit as good game design.

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Who said it was good design? I'm just stating you need to relax on the insulting of other people who don't mind it and may have fun in the process of doing it.

Calling people idiots and clowns is no way to present your point, just makes you look like a jerk.

Don't pull out fallicies like people are "Wasting their time" on a game designed to waste time it's hillarious. In your context just because the relic weapons will take a while to get (That's up for debate if they change anything or not during this update) One part of it actually does have visible progress (The seals) while we are currently unaware of how poor the seal drop-rate will be on level 3 (If they include it)

Your jumping to all sorts of conclusions without all the information and making an ass our of yourself by insulting members of the community who are doing the exact same thing as you. Speculating.

So I reiterate, relax on the insults we understand you think the system is bad as it stands that's all you need to say. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't make them any less right/wrong/smart/dumb than you are. Who cares if someone else thinks it's good game design? Hell I think jumping is a useless feature but I don't call people morons for thinking otherwise...god damn wish people could try to get their point across on these forums without jumping allover other people.

Maybe we will see pics of desirable drop and reward system in the 2.0 website after E3 :X

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Originally Posted by Tano

15-20% drop rate IS low. Expecially if you consider that since the party is made of 8, the real % of 1 member getting 1 seal is 1-2%

It's like trading 9 Darklight equips just for the pre-quest.
Because the % to get 1 seal in a party of 8 is the same as getting 1 dl/hdl piece.

So unless there is something in the new SH to get them faster, this is going to take 700+ hamlets (average).

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no it's not. go do hamlet and figure out the drop rate before you start opening your mouth. drop rate is about 1/5 at worst but it's usually 1/3~4 runs as long as you get gold chest every time. we've gone 4/7 on a good day.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I am fine with these weapons being long term if we are working towards it and not depending on a RNG system like dungeons. I want to know what I put in everyday is going towards something, not pulling a lever on a slot machine and hope for the best.

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Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the acquisition of these weapons taking a long time, in fact please make it take a wile. But ENGAGE my interest wile its happening. Send me on unique quests, make me locate fragments of said weapon from across the globe, explore the ancient ruins of *placeholdernameforsomeplacecool*, battle ancient dragons. Make this long hawl worth doing! Seriously I really want it to take a long time and in the end I can say "wow that was so amazing! What a rush! I can't believe how fun that was!"

THIS is what will make FFXIV 2.0 stand out and become an AMAZING GAME. NOT "do this event 500 times...oh but you have to do it well!"

I'd rather bust my ass to do something ONCE, fail a few times, but in the end feel acomplished for what I earned, not as someone already said "pull a lever on a slot machine..."

One of the biggest problems people will run into is that they don't play with the same people over and over. Have to join shout groups due to friends quitting, their LSs being fairly inactive and overall having nobody to play with just due to the lack of people playing.

This requires 8 man group to even do. So if you join a pick up group your chance at getting a seal is fairly low you have to hope the seal drops to you.

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Originally Posted by Hayden

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the acquisition of these weapons taking a long time, in fact please make it take a wile. But ENGAGE my interest wile its happening. Send me on unique quests, make me locate fragments of said weapon from across the globe, explore the ancient ruins of *placeholdernameforsomeplacecool*, battle ancient dragons.

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You are aware we have no idea what the actually quest for the relic weapon is right?

We know the pre-requesits to get the quest but that's it. I'm hoping that it's just not "Sup you got all these items right? Here is your axe!"

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Originally Posted by Jynx

You are aware we have no idea what the actually quest for the relic weapon is right?

We know the pre-requesits to get the quest but that's it. I'm hoping that it's just not "Sup you got all these items right? Here is your axe!"

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I am holding out hope that what follows will be engaging and everything I hope it will be. It is a little upsetting that the pre-req is tedious and in a way pointless. I only wish they would stay as far away form the "Slot Machine" number generator ploy. ya know?

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Originally Posted by Hayden

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the acquisition of these weapons taking a long time, in fact please make it take a wile. But ENGAGE my interest wile its happening. Send me on unique quests, make me locate fragments of said weapon from across the globe, explore the ancient ruins of *placeholdernameforsomeplacecool*, battle ancient dragons. Make this long hawl worth doing! Seriously I really want it to take a long time and in the end I can say "wow that was so amazing! What a rush! I can't believe how fun that was!"

THIS is what will make FFXIV 2.0 stand out and become an AMAZING GAME. NOT "do this event 500 times...oh but you have to do it well!"

I'd rather bust my ass to do something ONCE, fail a few times, but in the end feel acomplished for what I earned, not as someone already said "pull a lever on a slot machine..."

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This!!! Absolutely!

I know I'll not get a relic weapon, the gods of random do not smile on me ever. . .

Doing Hamlet over and over and hoping that I get random drop 9 times doesn't really interest me (Though I totally do want some of those awesome DoL hatz!)
I would love long quest lines, hard fights (Kinda CoPish where you'd seriously bust a nut back in the old days trying to get through it). . . but you felt so accomplished at the end, when you reached Sea(pre nerfs) you basically had a little party with yourself though in XIVI don't feel that same level of accomplishment. Like when you hit a 50 craft it's not "OH EM GEE I'Z 50!" it's more like "Ok, grind over til I pick up next craft".

Don't get me wrong, I really do enjoy this game a lot and I'm so psyched to see where it's headed, but I wish there was more quest based gubbins and less grind your heart out gubbins doing this task 5k times♪

~Stay crunchy

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Originally Posted by Jynx

You are aware we have no idea what the actually quest for the relic weapon is right?

We know the pre-requesits to get the quest but that's it. I'm hoping that it's just not "Sup you got all these items right? Here is your axe!"

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For all we know the next step could be, go get me a quintuple-melded astrolabe, for example.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

For all we know the next step could be, go get me a quintuple-melded astrolabe, for example.

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Don't give them any ideas!!
/steals your keyboard

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Originally Posted by Jynx

We know the pre-requesits to get the quest but that's it. I'm hoping that it's just not "Sup you got all these items right? Here is your axe!"

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Can't be because of
"* Though quest progression is possible as of version 1.22b, completion will not be possible until a future patch release. "

I'm waiting for the inevitable "I need 10,000 pieces of Cobalt Ore to restore this."

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

I'm waiting for the inevitable "I need 10,000 pieces of Cobalt Ore to restore this."

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That seems easier then getting 9 seals because at least you can solo that and make progress whenever you feel like it.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Who said it was good design? I'm just stating you need to relax on the insulting of other people who don't mind it and may have fun in the process of doing it.

Calling people idiots and clowns is no way to present your point, just makes you look like a jerk.

Don't pull out fallicies like people are "Wasting their time" on a game designed to waste time it's hillarious. In your context just because the relic weapons will take a while to get (That's up for debate if they change anything or not during this update) One part of it actually does have visible progress (The seals) while we are currently unaware of how poor the seal drop-rate will be on level 3 (If they include it)

Your jumping to all sorts of conclusions without all the information and making an ass our of yourself by insulting members of the community who are doing the exact same thing as you. Speculating.

So I reiterate, relax on the insults we understand you think the system is bad as it stands that's all you need to say. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't make them any less right/wrong/smart/dumb than you are. Who cares if someone else thinks it's good game design? Hell I think jumping is a useless feature but I don't call people morons for thinking otherwise...god damn wish people could try to get their point across on these forums without jumping allover other people.

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I don't have to insult the community. They do a good job of that themselves sometimes with their ridiculous requests. With some of the people on these forums you have to be a jerk. If you look at my post history each and every one of my posts is well constructed and thought out, hence the many likes I receive. Even my first post in this thread which you seemed to take as a attack on your integrity was well-thought out.

Again, you seem to be going back to the argument that an MMO is a waste of time. EVERY GODDAMN video game is a waste of time, but the job of a good developer is to work it in a way that is enjoyable. Even a MMO developer should take pride in creating varied content that stimulates the player-base in a way that the majority enjoy doing content. Judging from the various critics and poll results, people are not satisfied with the RNG and luck based grinding system that is currently implemented in FFXIV.

You say I'm speculating? These are the FACTS that we know. You need 9 seals total. Seals drop from hamlet, drops are not 100%. Those are undeniable facts. I've based my comments on these facts. Speculation is whether or not the drop rate is increased as the hamlet levels up or if it remains at primal levels like it is now. Regardless, the facts are that it is currently a full-out grind for the seals and forces the player-base to do Hamlet which many dislike.

And I didn't insult a particular individual. My insults extend to the people who stand up for this type of game design and defend it instead of CHALLENGING the devs to create thought-provoking content.

Think for a second. If nobody did this because they refused to put up with the design, the devs would be forced to look at their current system and inquire as to where they went wrong. This would lead to better content for all of us. However, because some of these people are indeed like crackheads and will slavishly grind this out, the devs will be able to defend the content as 'challenging.'

well i don't mind being long to get or and chalenging to get but hamlet really?? that shiznak is borring... and it's like not chalenging at all..

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Originally Posted by Gukie

well i don't mind being long to get or and chalenging to get but hamlet really?? that shiznak is borring... and it's like not chalenging at all..

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Yeah, that's just repeating a boring stuff over and over, til you're luck enough to get the drop (and again, you need 72, and probably one note is one weapon, so 504 seals).

1.22c Hamlet :

• The top three provisioners will now receive a reward bonus when participating in a victorious campaign.
• The highest-rated treasure coffer will appear upon obtaining a cumulative score of 60,000 or better.

you ppl cried that af gear was fast and that. I think it was fine. Quests and story and hard fights. Lots of walking. But you guys had to complain right? Now SE , like always to please the whinners , put in Place a boring AF weapon quest. I can bet you that a double meld weapon is better than this. In other words. A time sink. Boring quest.

Just deal with it. I prolly won't do this af anyway till 2.0. Just for the sake of having it.

Ps: SE, just because we have some ppl that love to whine and spent 100 anima in 3 days to get all af's non stop for 72 hours with some dying while playing , that doesn't mean you have to listen to this ppl. That's not the casual base that plays the game. That's the annoying part you should avoid listening.

Stats for Relic Weapons are good:

Monk:

• Attack Power +60
• Refresh +1
• MP +70
• Damage 143
• Evasion +30
• Delay 3,4s

White Mage Thyrus:

• Healing Magic Potency +30
• Magic Accuracy +10
• Enhancement Magic Potency +5
• Mind +60
• Refresh +1
• Delay 4,3s

Black Mage Stardust Rod:

• Intelligence +45
• Magic Critical Hit Rating +35
• Enfeebling Magic Potency +20
• Conserve MP +50
• Attack Magic Potency +30
• Damage 74
• Delay 4,3s

Dragoon Gae Bolg:

• Damage 164
• Accuracy +30
• Critical Hit Attack Power +100
• Critical Hit Rating +30
• Store TP +30
• Delay 3,9s

Bard Artemis Bow:

• Damage 116
• Accuracy +40
• Attack Power +15
• Enmity -30
• Delay 4,1s

Warrior Bravura:

• Damage 179
• Attack Power +30
• Defense +15
• Enmity +50
• Regen +5
• Delay 4,3s

Paladin Curtana:

• Damage 119
• Accuracy +40
• Healing Magic Potency +15
• HP +120
• Delay 2,9s

Holy Shield:

• Block 100
• Block Rate 138
• Defense +25
• Refresh +1

perception on a shield? i think youre mistaken

Can't dig up the delays on them? But perception on shield? o.O

Aside from that, some look pretty damn good :o

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Originally Posted by Amiral_Benson

Paladin:

• Damage 119
• Accuracy +40
• Healing Magic Potency +15
• HP +120

Shield:

• Perception 100
• Magic Critical Hit Rating 138
• Defense +25
• Refresh +1

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http://i.imgur.com/GrQ7k.gif

The sword is ok I guess. I'm less than pleased about the shield, though this doesn't give a block stat, so I'll withold final judgement. Refresh is nice.

...The BLM relic totally thrashes my melded Astrolabe. No more being a unique little snowflake THM for me ;_;

Gae Bolg is completely epic. That's awesome.

I'm very surprised that Artemis Bow does nothing to enhance bard songs, despite having a harp attached to it. Though, granted, it's not the final stats. Only time will tell whether it truly does or not.

Looking at the stats on the weapons now.
They're really good.

Most surprising to me is the BLM weapon will finally trump triple meld lightning brands.
DRGs will also be very happy.

The weapons are really nice.

I just edited all my post with Delay.

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Originally Posted by Darkillumina

Think for a second. If nobody did this because they refused to put up with the design, the devs would be forced to look at their current system and inquire as to where they went wrong.'

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Calling the community a collective of idiots is not giving constructive criticism to the developers.

Other than that I'll let you wallow in your hatred of everything while I go on enjoying the game and telling the developers where I think they can improve instead of attacking the community as well.

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Originally Posted by Suirieko

Gae Bolg is completely epic. That's awesome.

I'm very surprised that Artemis Bow does nothing to enhance bard songs, despite having a harp attached to it. Though, granted, it's not the final stats. Only time will tell whether it truly does or not.

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Our current methods of mining dats (not that I would ever do such a thing) does not allow us to view "hidden" stats such as buffs to skills. The same thing happened when AF armor was first mined.

The PLD Shield is mistranslated I believe. Or I am rudely mistaken.

Are you certain of this +100 Perception on the shield?

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Are you certain of this +100 Perception on the shield?

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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19815413/AF%20GEAR.png

Yeah. Pretty certain.

http://i.imgur.com/ZimPo.jpg

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Originally Posted by Alerith

http://i.imgur.com/ZimPo.jpg

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http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/14774283.jpg

Well played, SE.

BLM, WHM, and DRG weapons are nice and seem worth the pain in the ass 9 seals.
The rest, eh, no.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Calling the community a collective of idiots is not giving constructive criticism to the developers.

Other than that I'll let you wallow in your hatred of everything while I go on enjoying the game and telling the developers where I think they can improve instead of attacking the community as well.

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But I am giving constructive criticism to the developers. See my post history. I also don't hate this game contrary to what you believe. My other posts addressed the things the devs should not rely on.

But basically your crying because I insulted the community. Awwwwww muffin. I wasn't even being vitriolic, I was just calling people out for their passivity with regards to bad game design. Besides, the insults toward certain members of the community were not the meat of my posts in this thread. The main point was discussing the design flaws in the current system. You make it out to seem that my entire purpose in this thread was to troll the community and call them idiots.

And yes, this community is full of idiots, trolls and fervent SE supporters as well as sensible people who want to see the game get better. Welcome to the lodestone are you new?

Mozk reports 100 block, 138 block rate, defense25, refresh1 on Holy Shield.

To be fair, PLD gets both Sword and Shield for completion of a single quest, so I suppose it's not all that bad considering.