Advertising sexual content in party finder

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Removing Erp Advertisements from the PF(Which yes they should be removed) is like knocking the cherry off a Sundae. Its not minimizing so much as its just removing Evidence of its existence from view.

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It's not evidence, it's one avenue through which predatory adults can prey on minors. Having it be visible doesn't reduce how many people get affected, whereas even if completely removing it from the PF only stops one instance of it happening, that should be more than enough reason to do it.

I don't really see the problem personally.
I do get the argument that there might be some actual predators doing it but then you deal with those cases, I don't believe in punishing everyone by banning something just because of the existence of bad actors.
There's no actual victims of anything in-game either, if it extends to outside of the game in an illegal manner then that's something that should be reported to the police.

Granted I'll admit that I don't play on these servers, I've never seen anything like this before.
But I mean ERP exists even on non-RP servers in games like WoW too, Goldshire got its reputation for a reason.
The only thing that comes close that I've seen are people making inappropriate and unwanted comments about my character, and I just tell them to stop or I leave.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

It's not evidence, it's one avenue through which predatory adults can prey on minors. Having it be visible doesn't reduce how many people get affected, whereas even if completely removing it from the PF only stops one instance of it happening, that should be more than enough reason to do it.

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I dunno... That sounds like it could be applied to so much...
People doing acts of violence because of media is a real thing even if it's rare, I don't think that means that media should be sanitized and that everyone else should lose out on their fun because of it.
I have a really hard time believing that minors are really the ones into this stuff either, maybe mid to late teenagers I guess in some cases but mostly I definitely think that it's adults.

I think that if you want to ban something then you've got to be able to show some causal effect or that it's a more overarching issue and not just very rare exceptions.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

It's not evidence, it's one avenue through which predatory adults can prey on minors. Having it be visible doesn't reduce how many people get affected, whereas even if completely removing it from the PF only stops one instance of it happening, that should be more than enough reason to do it.

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Chat does more harm then the PF. But one should always choose the lesser of two evils.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I dunno... That sounds like it could be applied to so much...

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Lots of things can be applied to lots of things. Luckily, the world doesn't actually exist in black-and-white, and it's possible to not just use blanket statements and assume because we did A we must obviously do B. Two different situations can be approached with two different solutions.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Chat does more harm then the PF. But one should always choose the lesser of two evils.

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And you can blacklist people in chat. You can't actually remove PF listings from being visible from your end, if I remember correctly.

This kind of stuff is already against the ToS. "Obscene/indecent expressions", for example. These things shouldn't be advertised in PF, and if it's unwanted, similar chat messages can be reported.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

And you can blacklist people in chat. You can't actually remove PF listings from being visible from your end, if I remember correctly.

This kind of stuff is already against the ToS. "Obscene/indecent expressions", for example. These things shouldn't be advertised in PF, and if it's unwanted, similar chat messages can be reported.

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"18+", "ERP" and "brothel" aren't obscene/indecent expressions. The majority of ERP listings don't have any obscene or indecent expressions to report about, and knowledge that any players responding to that PF will possibly engage in some type of sensual/sexual activity is nowhere near qualifying the PF as an obscene/indecent expression.

This whole thread is nothing but people trying their hardest to cancel PFs they aren't interested in because they lack the common sense and/or maturity to just ignore it.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

This whole thread is nothing but people trying their hardest to cancel PFs they aren't interested in because they lack the common sense and/or maturity to just ignore it.

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Imagine thinking being concerned the for safety of minors in a T rated game is just "cancel culture" or something, lol.

Ill just leave this as closing for every minor who joins a 18+ pf there ten others involved in innocent talk with a sick minded freak. Want to help minors educate them on what not to do when online and what to avoid.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Want to help minors educate them on what not to do when online and what to avoid.

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And we also need to educate adults on how to behave around minors, clearly. It's not just the victim's job to avoid being harmed.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

And we also need to educate adults on how to behave around minors, clearly. It's not just the victim's job to avoid being harmed.

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Seeing as you cant tell who is a minor in this game and who is not. You better give up all adult conversations with everyone in the game and in any chat program. Cause there are minors who sound like Adults and Adults who sound like minors for every solution there is another problem to be solved. This is a online enviroment you are your own best protection expecting some random joe to behave is laughable at best. When I am in game I view 1% of what is said in chat as truth and the other 99% as pure BS..

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Seeing as you cant tell who is a minor in this game and who is not. You better give up all adult conversations with everyone in the game and in any chat program. Cause there are minors who sound like Adults and Adults who sound like minors for every solution there is another problem to be solved. This is a online enviroment you are your own best protection expecting some random joe to behave is laughable at best.

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Again, what is it with black-and-white blanket statements?

By the way, when you put all responsibility on the potential victim, you then put the blame on them if they get hurt because you're acting like adults have no self control and shouldn't be held responsible for their own actions. If you can't be certain that the person you're ERPing with isn't underage, and you do it anyway, what does that say about you? Are you okay with ERPing with minors as long as they don't tell you that they are one?

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Again, what is it with black-and-white blanket statements?

By the way, when you put all responsibility on the potential victim, you then put the blame on them if they get hurt because you're acting like adults have no self control and shouldn't be held responsible for their own actions. If you can't be certain that the person you're ERPing with isn't underage, and you do it anyway, what does that say about you? Are you okay with ERPing with minors as long as they don't tell you that they are one?

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When someone tells me their age in game its part of my 99% BS view. For anyone who ERP's its a risk they choose to accept goes for both minors and adults both are guilty. I very black and white on this matter, most minors also know about and have experience in things their parents would prefer they not have. Keeping minors safe is a great idea but what you are trying to keep them safe from? A sick mindo weirdo or someone talking about a dirty magazine they read. Blacklisting sure protects them from adult talk, but being responsible and educated about online safety will help protect them from the sick minded. Most adults serious about hurting minors will not foolishly broadcast it for everyone too see. Posting ERP crap in the PF should not be allowed, but its far from the biggest problem effecting minors in this game.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

When someone tells me their age in game its part of my 99% BS view. For anyone who ERP's its a risk they choose to accept. I very black and white on this matter, most minors also know about and have experience in things their parents would prefer they not have. Keeping minors safe is a great idea but what you are trying to keep them safe from? A sick mindo weirdo or someone talking about a dirty magazine they read. Blacklisting sure protects them from adult talk, but being responsible and educated about online safety will help protect them from the sick minded. Most adults serious about hurting minors will not foolishly broadcast it for everyone too see.

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I'm sorry you're so misinformed about sexual predators online. Clearly it's not just minors that require education on this. Unless you yourself are a minor, of course.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I'm sorry you're so misinformed about sexual predators online. Clearly it's not just minors that require education on this. Unless you yourself are a minor, of course.

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I am not misinformed its thinking that all online predators do is talk sex with minors. If you think that you are sadly mistaken I have seen more then my fair share of stories of predators luring teens away without every mentioning sex. No I am not a minor and I am parent of a teenager who is online routinely and safe about it.

OK, I'm sure someone will get this twisted so I'll start with this. Sexual relations between an adult and a minor are NOT OK ever and are INEXCUSABLE.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

And we also need to educate adults on how to behave around minors, clearly. It's not just the victim's job to avoid being harmed.

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I'm on Balmung and have seen plenty of these PF advertisements, and I would say that the content publicly posted in PF is tamer than some of the sexual content created by the developer, Satasha says hello. You seem to be taking the position that the minor is harmed/becomes a victim the moment they view these type of PF advertisements. I find that hard to believe as they've already seen more risque content by playing the game proper if they've gotten to the starter dungeons. I don't think anyone has been harmed or a victim until they actually partake in what's being advertised.

So where is the parents' responsibility in this? Shouldn't they know what their child is doing online? Parents need to be actively involved in what their children are doing online. They should not be using FFXIV as a babysitter, and they should not be pushing their parental responsibilities off on Square-Enix which is what this thread seems to advocate. They need to actually take the time to research and understand the game they are letting their kids play. Yes its rated Teen, but its an online environment where they will interact with people of all ages. Would you let your child blindly interact with adults you didn't know unsupervised? I know I wouldn't.

It is the responsibility of anyone engaging in ERP to make sure all parties involved are consenting adults, anything else is unacceptable, but just as important if not more important parents need to take responsibility for parenting their kids instead of trying to push that responsibility off on someone else.

I suppose I'm unfairly biased due to my personal loathing of the FFXIV RP community but I'll toss in my two cents regardless.

Personally, I'm not at all opposed to scrubbing the PF free of anything that contains content that heavily implies activities deemed highly inappropriate in a T-rated setting. And this includes shout chat as well; as I've seen 18+ advertisements being screamed at the absolute top of someone's lungs in a pretty orange that fills my chat box.

I don't fancy it's high visibility and easy accessibility. I'd much rather it'd be made comparatively more subtle and harder to find.

Carefully regulated discords and word-of-mouth is a decent workaround from my perspective.

You can cut out a single sentence of all the things I've said in this thread, so I'll do the same.

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Originally Posted by Katalyn

It is the responsibility of anyone engaging in ERP to make sure all parties involved are consenting adults, anything else is unacceptable, but just as important if not more important parents need to take responsibility for parenting their kids instead of trying to push that responsibility off on someone else.

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If you think expecting adults to be responsible with who they engage in sexual acts with is "pushing the responsibility on them", then Mega Yikes.

And it's still the responsibility of everyone to protect minors. Period. That doesn't mean we have to go around patrolling or hounding people doing even the smallest thing, but if we see things that aren't okay we have do something, instead of just thinking "eh, it's the parent's problem" and then ignoring it.

I don't know why this has to be Party A has to take responsibility or Party B has to take responsibility. SE has to take responsibility, the potential perpetrators have to take responsibility, the potential victims have to take responsibility (for their own safety), the parents of minors have to take responsibility, and bystanders have to take responsibility. It's lack of action or speaking out about things that allows it to happen. There's something that literally all of us can do to prevent minors from being exposed to sex-related contact with living adults (so stop bringing up dungeon stories, they can't assault or harass anyone). This shouldn't even be a divisive topic, yet here we are.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

"18+", "ERP" and "brothel" aren't obscene/indecent expressions. The majority of ERP listings don't have any obscene or indecent expressions to report about, and knowledge that any players responding to that PF will possibly engage in some type of sensual/sexual activity is nowhere near qualifying the PF as an obscene/indecent expression.

This whole thread is nothing but people trying their hardest to cancel PFs they aren't interested in because they lack the common sense and/or maturity to just ignore it.

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This whole game is '' obscene and indecent '' depending on who you ask lol.
There's NPC cat girl dancers in bikinis and dudes in leopard speedos running around, considering how overly sensitive a surprising amount of people are to the human body still this game has a lot of that for people to get upset about.
The whole '' obscene and indecent '' argument is usually just people trying to make their personal opinion sound more legitimate and like it carries more weight imo, if the devs or whatever decide that they want to draw the line somewhere then they will and they'll ban people for it.
But a random individuals views on what is and isn't obscene is kinda irrelevant I think.
Not to mention how cultural it is too, just holding hands or kissing in public can be seen as indecent or even different sexualities...
It's just kind of a pointless argument imo, the devs just put that in the ToS as a way of saying '' we'll take action whenever we want ''. There's a reason why it's left vague.

Report people if ya want for it, but if the GM's decide that it's alright then it's alright.
I also think that there's ERP and then there's ERP, they're not all equal.
I don't think that ERP in and of itself is obscene or indecent unless you're just someone who thinks that sex and sexuality in and of itself is which is pretty ridiculous and not worth taking seriously imo.
It's also a bit silly and strange priorities imo, like people are okay with violence and murder but oh no sex and sexuality that's where the line is drawn?
I mean it's not surprising, but it still makes me facepalm.

When I think of things that are obscene and indecent it goes way beyond just fairly casual ERP or nudity etc, I think of things that are or are borderline illegal and in some deep fetish territory.
I mean apparently some people think that some bosses in this game are obscene and indecent too, but I think that's really pushing it and makes me feel like I am in church or something lol.
I think that people attribute these terms to what they're saying sometimes just to try and legitimize their opinions and lend them more perceived weight.
It's sorta like how media outlets sometimes label something as '' controversial '' when no one except them thinks that it's controversial, it's just a way of controlling or creating a narrative.
But just saying that it is doesn't actually make it so.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

You can cut out a single sentence of all the things I've said in this thread, so I'll do the same.



If you think expecting adults to be responsible with who they engage in sexual acts with is "pushing the responsibility on them", then Mega Yikes.

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Uh.... She said that it IS the responsibility of people to make sure that people are consenting adults.
Did you not read what she said?

Alright I am probably going to regret opening up about this on this forum but I think someone with actual experience being groomed over the internet as a teen needs to speak up.

So yeah, basically I was groomed through ERP on gaiaonline about twelve years back when I very first started Rping in general. I did not tell them my age and they did not ask for it at first, they came to me and I did not seek out anything that was labeled 18+. Instead what happened is that I expressed my interest on my own post about getting involved in legit RP, NOT ERP. He came to me in a PM and told me he really wanted to mentor me on how to RP (BIG red flag btw). I was so happy that someone who seemed into SERIOUS RP wanted to help me out and get me started. Of course it didn't stay that way and there is no way in hell I am going to share any more details about this but it did end with police being involved.

Anyway, the whole point of me sharing that is that these sickos are going to be EVERYWHERE. While it might seem like ERP is the prime place to catch and groom minors it isn't the only way. Sure I might suggest that Square add maybe some more age checks so that we can verify age via profile and make posts more on the risky side of things only visible to those who have verified through game that they are indeed 18+, BUT, and this is a big but. We can't exactly fault other adults for wanting to use this game in the way they want with other consenting adults. What needs to happen instead of this silly bickering where both sides have good points but neither refuses to accept that is start taking more accountability in game. I'm sorry but if you are going to just bitch about it in threads then you aren't doing anything to help these kids. There were forums like this on Gaia too and not a single one of those people actually did anything. You want to stop minors from being groomed, educate them because a responsible adult will not always be around. If you see a post seeking ERP but it isn't clear they are doing very strict checks with the people who are buying from them (Not labeling them 18+, finding out they don't do second checks before they start) report them.

Like god dammit guys. This thread isn't helping shit. Adults can do stuff with adults, yes it is scary to think that some sicko could lure a kid into ERP with them and groom them but that isn't their only trick. Pay attention. It is in the dungeons with the tank that takes a special interest in a new player, it is in the quicksand with the person who rushes to someone who says they are new to RP because they assume that means they are young. We shouldn't punish adults who are actually just seeking other adults but we should be paying attention more.

Edit: Oh and if this was originally posted just as bait, shame on you. Don't use this sort of topic to troll and get people heated up. It needs to be taken seriously, not as a tool to pit people against each other.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

This whole game is '' obscene and indecent '' depending on who you ask lol.
There's NPC cat girl dancers in bikinis and dudes in leopard speedos running around, considering how overly sensitive a surprising amount of people are to the human body still this game has a lot of that for people to get upset about.
The whole '' obscene and indecent '' argument is usually just people trying to make their personal opinion sound more legitimate and like it carries more weight imo, if the devs or whatever decide that they want to draw the line somewhere then they will and they'll ban people for it.
But a random individuals views on what is and isn't obscene is kinda irrelevant I think.
Not to mention how cultural it is too, just holding hands or kissing in public can be seen as indecent or even different sexualities...
It's just kind of a pointless argument imo, the devs just put that in the ToS as a way of saying '' we'll take action whenever we want ''. There's a reason why it's left vague.

Report people if ya want for it, but if the GM's decide that it's alright then it's alright.
I also think that there's ERP and then there's ERP, they're not all equal.
I don't think that ERP in and of itself is obscene or indecent unless you're just someone who thinks that sex and sexuality in and of itself is which is pretty ridiculous and not worth taking seriously imo.
It's also a bit silly and strange priorities imo, like people are okay with violence and murder but oh no sex and sexuality that's where the line is drawn?
I mean it's not surprising, but it still makes me facepalm.

When I think of things that are obscene and indecent it goes way beyond just fairly casual ERP or nudity etc, I think of things that are or are borderline illegal and in some deep fetish territory.
I mean apparently some people think that some bosses in this game are obscene and indecent too, but I think that's really pushing it and makes me feel like I am in church or something lol.
I think that people attribute these terms to what they're saying sometimes just to try and legitimize their opinions and lend them more perceived weight.
It's sorta like how media outlets sometimes label something as '' controversial '' when no one except them thinks that it's controversial, it's just a way of controlling or creating a narrative.
But just saying that it is doesn't actually make it so.



Uh.... She said that it IS the responsibility of people to make sure that people are consenting adults.
Did you not read what she said?

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Verfying age is one of the reasons ERP is not condoned. You can't be 100% sure someone is the age they say that they are. You if you choose to ERP you choose to trust someone who like you, is under no obligation to be honest. Voices and looks cant be trusted when you have minor who look and sound like adults. When I was in High school the local enforcement did a drug investigation by placing a officer at the school as a student. She was a female officer late 20's but looked and sounded like teenager, she passed as a teen so well her fellow students and teachers had no idea she was and adult. This being the internet its far easier to make someone believe you are older then you claim to be.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Verfying age is one of the reasons ERP is not condoned. You can't be 100% sure someone is the age they say that they are. You if you choose to ERP you choose to trust someone who like you, is under no obligation to be honest. Voices and looks cant be trusted when you have minor who look and sound like adults. When I was in High school the local enforcement did a drug investigation by placing a officer at the school as a student. She was a female officer late 20's but looked and sounded like teenager, she passed as a teen so well her fellow students and teachers had no idea she was and adult. This being the internet its far easier to make someone believe you are older then you claim to be.

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People mistook me for being in my mid 20's when I was like 15 lol, I have experience with that too including being creeped on by an adult because of it when I was a kid on MSN and other weird stuff.
And I also used this when I was a kid to buy alcohol and cigarettes, you can trick people irl with that too. I probably could've in regards to sex too had I wanted to, so this issue you're talking about extends to outside of video games too.
I get what you're saying but I guess that's the risk you take.
And it's also a risk that you do take irl, I mean how many people actually confirm the age irl? Do you ask people to take out their ID and show it to you? How do you know that isn't fake?
I have a really hard time believing that minors lying about their age for the sake of ERP:ing is something that actually happens to any significant extent.

To be clear.
What we're talking about now is adults seeking other adults to ERP with, and a minor lying about their age.
I wouldn't blame the adult at that point considering that it's a video game and not real.
Adults deliberately seeking out minors for this is totally different and I don't think that anyone would defend that, but if it's adults seeking other adults then quite frankly the minor is at fault at that point and I think they should be banned for it and not the adult.
The adult didn't even do anything wrong at that point so long as it was genuine, I mean if you're in voice chat and the voice is clearly of a minor and you continue doing it then that obviously changes things too.

I'm just going to preface this by stating I am a parent. My husband and I know EXACTLY what games our kids are playing. If they are not approved by us, they don't get them - can't buy, can't have as gifts - just cannot have. It is our responsibility to monitor what they are playing. It is our responsibility to teach them safe online habits. There are a lot of predators out there. Is everyone? No, most people aren't. But they do exist. This isn't victim blaming the parents if their kid gets into a situation online - but it is the parents' responsibility to try and do their best to prevent it from happening in the first place and to teach their children what to look out for.

I don't have a solution to stop ERP from any game. Honestly, I don't care if consenting adults do it. I don't know how SE or any other online game is supposed to monitor and stop it 100% though from it happening with a minor. Should it be in PF? No, probably not. Shouts? Again, probably not. But there are many ways for minors to be groomed by predators and I expect PF and shouts are the least of it. But SE cannot monitor all interactions of all players. They just can't do it, no game can.

As for adults protecting minors - yes I believe that is the responsibility of all adults. The ultimate responsibility does fall to the parents. I will say though the FC I am in, we are inclusive AND family friendly. We've had some minors in the past and when we knew it we all watched our language when they were on and we watched out for them in-game. Some of these minors are now young adults. We joke about our "kids" have grown up.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Chat does more harm then the PF. But one should always choose the lesser of two evils.

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So why are you fighting so hard to defend it? Do you hook in one of these things? Because I see no good reason to argue so vehemently against it besides absolutely needing it in your life.

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Originally Posted by Gula

So why are you fighting so hard to defend it? Do you hook in one of these things? Because I see no good reason to argue so vehemently against it besides absolutely needing it in your life.

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Probably because you're all trying to kill a fly with a nuke.

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Originally Posted by Gula

So why are you fighting so hard to defend it? Do you hook in one of these things? Because I see no good reason to argue so vehemently against it besides absolutely needing it in your life.

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Not defending it remove adverts from PF if you want no skin off my back. But the PF adverts are not the source of the problem.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Not defending it remove adverts from PF if you want no skin off my back. But the PF adverts are not the source of the problem.

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It irks me that people are using serious matters like pedophilia and online predators just to attack PFs they don't like.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Probably because you're all trying to kill a fly with a nuke.

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I think of it more of trying to kill a elephant with a wooden spoon.

Remember when we had that Marriage megathread in these forums?

Predators, all of them. Clearly. Must punish, must ban, children in danger.

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Originally Posted by Arillyn

I don't have a solution to stop ERP from any game. Honestly, I don't care if consenting adults do it. I don't know how SE or any other online game is supposed to monitor and stop it 100% though from it happening with a minor. Should it be in PF? No, probably not. Shouts? Again, probably not. But there are many ways for minors to be groomed by predators and I expect PF and shouts are the least of it. But SE cannot monitor all interactions of all players. They just can't do it, no game can.

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I don't think many care of consenting adults do it. While it is against ToS, SE and most like myself do not seem to care if it is private. That said, going by people being unable to verify who they engage with is the part I question. The organizer will have no idea who will show up. Don't ERP in this game is only one solution that reduces chances (nothing completely eliminates the chance). The others solutions are either finding a clever non-invasive way of confirming age (which is difficult) or stick with the people you know. Someone mentioned that Balmung and Mateus had discords and possible other 3rd party measures. If this 3rd party apps are helpful in keeping things private and weeding out minors and the creepy, then maybe other servers should join suit.

However this is only the measures the ERP community can take itself. Vigilance is always key and being friendly with younger people without overstepping may give that younger person someone they can trust enough to tell in case anyone makes them feel uncomfortable, if they question someone's sincerity, or if they mention the person casually and someone notices something off.

I'm not interested in reporting ERP/mature ads for one reason: the person making the pf may not want anything to do with minors. More than likely they don't. However, the issues lies with who may show up. Would I be in favor of SE saying no pf? Yes. Do I think someone putting up a pf is a horrible person for doing it? Absolutely not. The only exception is if they really do happen to have ill-intent, but that is hard to tell from pf. But why would I want to punish someone with no ill-intent? That's like reporting someone that is swearing at no one in particular.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Probably because you're all trying to kill a fly with a nuke.

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Time and time again it has been posted. It is. Against. The. Terms. Of. Service.

Naoki Yoshida, director and producer of the game you play, has stated to report it.

The irl problems are a byproduct of the overarching goal here.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

I'm not interested in reporting ERP/mature ads for one reason: the person making the pf may not want anything to do with minors. More than likely they don't. However, the issues lies with who may show up. Would I be in favor of SE saying no pf? Yes. Do I think someone putting up a pf is a horrible person for doing it? Absolutely not. The only exception is if they really do happen to have ill-intent, but that is hard to tell from pf. But why would I want to punish someone with no ill-intent? That's like reporting someone that is swearing at no one in particular.

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You and I are in agreement. I don't report ads in PF for this type of thing. I don't report shouts for it either. And I wouldn't, unless there was something so blatant like it said actively looking for minors. I don't automatically think people who advertise brothels or erp are looking to do so with anyone other than consenting adults. I don't think ill of people who want to engage in erp and I don't think they are bad people. Could a minor show up to an event? Of course. Can it be verified? No, probably not. So if SE were to come out and say "hey, no more advertising this in pf" I wouldn't blame them. But it's not something I'm up in arms about.

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Originally Posted by Lumina

"Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB" is a thing for a reason. It's unreasonable to expect SE or the ESRB to police every interaction someone could have with fellow players in an online environment.

Know who should be concerned about what their sub-18 aged children are playing and what kinds of things are being encountered during the game? Parents.

Parents need to get off their asses to understand what their kids are actually doing, the kinds of experiences the games they play expose them to, and take an active role in their children's hobbies and pastimes to ensure they're positive and healthy.

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It does not mean that SE and the community cannot take steps to minimize the possibilities. That is similar to saying you cannot stop crime, so why try to minimize it.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

It does not mean that SE and the community cannot take steps to minimize the possibilities. That is similar to saying you cannot stop crime, so why try to minimize it.

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No, it's saying "You don't pre-emptively arrest everyone and strap a straitjacket on all of them to stop all crime".

That does not make any sense. People not advertising an activity technically forbidden by a business in its own game in the first place in order to help curb an actual crime from taking place is not the same as arresting everyone and placing them in straight jackets. That is something a government and not a business would do.

ERP isn't my thing and won't ever be but I highly doubt that SE would ever outright ban it considering what a huge draw it is for a good chunk of players. Also once the line of "No Erp" passes then we get into the situation if defining what exactly "erotica" entails which varies from person to person.

Honestly I think the burden of protecting minors from this kind of stuff is on parents and family. Sex is human and it's going to happen in spaces that a big majority of people congregate. I play with my underage siblings in a bunch of social games and I moniter them as much as I can to guide them through content to limit their interactions and also keep the door open to talk to them nonjudgementally if they get curious or if someone makes them uncomfortable and how to handle it. Which I think is an important part of learning about the internet and internet safety that young people need in the digital age. The problem isn't ERP it's the sick people who would use it to take advantage of a minor; an informed and monitered minor is going to know how to walk away and get help with an uncomfortable or threatening situation or even just to ask questions if they're curious over a minor who is navigating content on their own and afraid to ask for help.

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ERP isn't my thing and won't ever be but I highly doubt that SE would ever outright ban it considering what a huge draw it is for a good chunk of players. Also once the line of "No Erp" passes then we get into the situation if defining what exactly "erotica" entails which varies from person to person.

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You must have missed the part where SE said that such things are against the ToS. Personally, I don't really care what people do in the privacy of their own chats. However, I think it is in poor taste to "recruit" for ERP and the like through the PF. That is only asking for trouble for both the players involved and SE itself.

Yea, I haven't seen a single instance of people advertising for the specific type of thing you are claiming is happening.

That's your head doing that. 18+ nightclubs are innocuous. People go there to unwind. They tend to be cool venues to have raffles, giveaways, and fun contests.

But you're up in here trying to destroy a positive social aspect of the game.

You're the worst sort of online citizen.

I report ERPing in public chat channels. If you wanna advertise an event as 18+ and in a designated location and in a private chat log be my guest. I don't wanna walk into a public zone like Ul'dah and find some sexual things being done in shout/say/yell.

As long as you keep your ERP to tells/linkshells/other private channels go right ahead. I don't care until it starts to spill into the public channels.

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Yea, I haven't seen a single instance of people advertising for the specific type of thing you are claiming is happening.

That's your head doing that. 18+ nightclubs are innocuous. People go there to unwind. They tend to be cool venues to have raffles, giveaways, and fun contests.

But you're up in here trying to destroy a positive social aspect of the game.

You're the worst sort of online citizen.

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Saw one such person an hour ago in the PF. And at least 2-3 different "nightclubs" promoting brothel activity as well. Perhaps it is relative to one's data center, but it is a fairly common occurrence on Crystal.

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Yea, I haven't seen a single instance of people advertising for the specific type of thing you are claiming is happening.

That's your head doing that. 18+ nightclubs are innocuous. People go there to unwind. They tend to be cool venues to have raffles, giveaways, and fun contests.

But you're up in here trying to destroy a positive social aspect of the game.

You're the worst sort of online citizen.

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What? There are nine party finders for ERP establishments right this moment on Crystal.
Some aren't even trying to be coy about it
https://i.imgur.com/c544qDq.png

If you honestly think these are a positive social aspect of the game, you have no idea what goes on inside of some of them.

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You must have missed the part where SE said that such things are against the ToS. Personally, I don't really care what people do in the privacy of their own chats. However, I think it is in poor taste to "recruit" for ERP and the like through the PF. That is only asking for trouble for both the players involved and SE itself.

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They've said the same about ACT but there isn't a chance in hell they will ever ban it. Bluntly stated, companies will always say what sounds good but do what nets them better profits.