Is it me or has the community gotten worse...

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Originally Posted by Baalfrog

Great community by the way!

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Are you trying to say that the people disagreeing with you in this topic are being toxic?

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

It almost sounds like there are toxic people on the internet and in all gaming communities, and people like to generalise that a game's entire community is reflected by a minority of toxic people they've happened to have encountered...

I've encountered none of it...

EDIT: I thought Scottzone got himself banned by doxxing a person who sent him abuse...?
You can't blame a community for his actions, can you?

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You're right.. but at the same time none of that would've happened if that person didn't send him a death threat. A DEATH THREAT for saying what Mr.Happy and other raiders have been saying for YEARS. :c

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Originally Posted by Insertcoins

You're right.. but at the same time none of that would've happened if that person didn't send him a death threat. A DEATH THREAT for saying what Mr.Happy and other raiders have been saying for YEARS. :c

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So is an entire community responsible for that death threat?
Or is it the person who sent the death threat?

Panting these actions as the actions of a 'community' is what fuels the toxicity. You fuel the tribalism responsible for it. It puts people on the defensive and makes them feel attacked, because they identify as a part of that community.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

So is an entire community responsible for that death threat?
Or is it the person who sent the death threat?

Panting these actions as the actions of a 'community' is what fuels the toxicity. You fuel the tribalism responsible for it.

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No I'm just saying the most toxic things I've seen have been outside the game. I'm not saying EVERY.SINGLEPERSON is toxic. What I AM saying is the most toxic I've seen have been outside the game. And just cause YOU haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It exist... hell this toxic exist which proves my point. Look at the replies here. just in this topic.

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Originally Posted by Insertcoins

No I'm just saying the most toxic things I've seen have been outside the game. I'm not saying EVERY.SINGLEPERSON is toxic. What I AM saying is the most toxic I've seen have been outside the game. And just cause YOU haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It exist... hell this toxic exist which proves my point. Look at the replies here. just in this topic.

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I never said it doesn't exist, I said I haven't encountered it.

We're all using personal anecdotes to try to quantify the amount of toxicity within an entire community, in order to paint that entire community as either 'toxic' or 'not toxic' to suit our own personal agenda against that community, based on whether we identify as a part of that community or not...

That's toxic.

We're all posting on these forums.
We're all a part of this community.
Are we all toxic?

Look at the replies here?
The most toxic thing I see in this topic... is people calling different communities toxic... which they wouldn't be doing if this topic was never made.
All this topic is doing is pitting those who identify as a part of this community, against those who don't.

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Originally Posted by Insertcoins

I'mma make this claim now. REAL raiders aren't toxic, it's the wantables who buys their clears thinking it grants them the awesome status, the people who THINK they are awesome, the ones who THINK they are perfect that are toxic. REAL raiders second guess themselves all the time, REAL raiders aren't even worried about other players unless those players are in their raid group, REAL raiders keep to themselves because they are mostly just trying to up their preformance to be the best they can be. It's the fakers and liars that are toxic, that go and shame learning/new players. I'm a noob raider and every raider I've ever talked too, be it in discord, ingame, or on youtube is the same. Just people who want to be the best. What you're seeing is ALOT of fakers who don't work and buy their clears thinking they are the best and shaming everyone else cause they bought their account and feel ashamed they couldn't clear.

This is just what I noticed.

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It's nice to see you know every REAL raider huh. Guess none are toxic.

If anyone dares to say they liked Eureka or that they don't think a certain lore breaking addition should be made to the game, that person is referred to as a troll on these forums. Imagine an individual receiving replies by numerous people all saying the exact same thing and becoming quite nasty in the process. Imagine the repliers making themselves into victims as well. It is worse here than in game, which is why I rarely post here. I won't even post in the reddit. You are more likely to find real advice and learn more on the alternative reddit, which is only there for the memes and jokes.

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Originally Posted by Sunoske

It's nice to see you know every REAL raider huh. Guess none are toxic.

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also note where I said - This is what I noticed- Please understand what that means and it doesn't mean I'm talking about 100% of everyone on the planet all the time ever. :c PLEASE.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I never said it doesn't exist, I said I haven't encountered it.

We're all using personal anecdotes to try to quantify the amount of toxicity within an entire community, in order to paint that entire community as either 'toxic' or 'not toxic' to suit our own personal agenda against that community, based on whether we identify as a part of that community or not...

That's toxic.

We're all posting on these forums.
We're all a part of this community.
Are we all toxic?

Look at the replies here?
The most toxic thing I see in this topic... is people calling different communities toxic... which they wouldn't be doing if this topic was never made.
All this topic is doing is pitting those who identify as a part of this community, against those who don't.

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In my first post you replied too also noted I only said - it's all the same- I'm not saying this place is more or less. To me I see the same things all over the place. This place is no more nice then the sonice fanbase, or street fighter one on shoryuken.com or any anime base or whatever you have here. They ALL have toxic people in it and that doesn't make them good OR bad. just normal. I do see more fights on this forum and reddit then I EVER do in game but that's niether here or there. THAT is what I've been saying. I'm just NOT going to say it's all lovey and huggy here when I see people get peopel banned on HERE and on twitch or youtube, when people in THIS base send DEATH threats to people cause of an old opinion being brought to life, when youtubers are SCARED to post their actual opinion on videos because people WILL attack them. It's literally in most videos reviewing THIS game. Even SONIC doesn't have THAT kindof rep.

Don’t meander to far or the hive-mind will spam otter pictures in your thread!

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

My roulletes have been filled with healers not touching damage buttons, dps not touching aoe, people not bothering to learn their jobs, and getting angry when you try to help.

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Same here. My sis is a new player and completely new to tanking. Being a tank main for the last 3-4 years, I've been guiding her through and giving her tips. She has the idea downpat but is still getting used to the controls and such. She uses a controller and fumbles over the controls sometimes but as I stated before, she's completely new.

We went through Sastasha last night for the first time last night. We got teamed up with a Conjurer and a Thaumaturge, I played RDM and my sis is a Marauder. We get to the first room were the first key drops, my sis dies due to the healer not healing. We take out the remaining mobs, the healer doesn't raise and the BLM runs ahead pulling enemies followed by the healer who's DPSing. She rezzes, we continue the dungeon eventually reaching the final boss. NO ONE even bothers with the bubbles.

After we finish, the BLM goes, "jesus christ. Thank God that's over." smh.

I told her not to worry about people like that. She did well, she pulled enemies and held aggro even after the thaumaturge kept running ahead. She used her cooldowns as much as she could. She seemed kind of frustrated but I kept assuring her that's not how most runs go and unfortunately at lower levels, you'll run into idiots moreso who don't know how the game works. I won't say the WHOLE community is toxic though but there are a lot of newcomers who don't take the time to really learn how the game works because the have the idea that this is just like any other MMO and get mad at any criticism.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Are you trying to say that the people disagreeing with you in this topic are being toxic?

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No, I'm implying that the community is great, by the way. Have some GCBTW <3!

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Originally Posted by mario710

Don’t meander to far or the hive-mind will spam otter pictures in your thread!

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I'm pretty sure most people would agree that what you want is not okay.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

If anyone dares to say they liked Eureka or that they don't think a certain lore breaking addition should be made to the game, that person is referred to as a troll on these forums. Imagine an individual receiving replies by numerous people all saying the exact same thing and becoming quite nasty in the process. Imagine the repliers making themselves into victims as well. It is worse here than in game, which is why I rarely post here. I won't even post in the reddit. You are more likely to find real advice and learn more on the alternative reddit, which is only there for the memes and jokes.

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I am going to guess a small but very active percentage of players are "unique". Who in their right mind sends gifts to game developers? They are a little to invested in this game world. Which is probably why they are so abusive about changes.



If I was more energetic the game has a small change that was anti-lore. The reason given for frontline not having freelancer was originally lore(which i doubt). But it was stated, and they did change it.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

And your post and other previous state the following things:

1. People wouldn't have to mention it, if others actually bothered to improve AKA care about teamwork.
2. See 1. I already self improved but unfortunately duties depend on the performance of the whole group, not just mine
3. Telling someone they're bad isn't harassment. It's stating a fact. Plus wouldn't have to tell them that if they had an ounce of selflessness on their body, and bothered to pull their weight.
4. You can't dismiss my point by saying I'm not interested in teamwork, when the people I'm talking about aren't interested in it the first place. Why so much coddling and catering to them is what puzzles me and many others.
5. You and others don't care about clearing duties and providing a good experience for the whole group. Just your own.
6. You and others only care about your own personal feelings and not those of the rest of the group.
7. What you call harassment is only what the same thing you are doing here: people complaining that certain players are hurting their game experience.

Why do people keep telling me and others to help someone improve when that person doesn't seek out help nor does research to improve in the first place? Do you think people like me just got lucky and found someone to help me out, or I just did my own homework and got to where I am through my own efforts?

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Sir, you are bang on.

Look at how mad this community gets when you ask them to do bare minimums like read tool tips or learn a rotation instead of spamming random buttons. It's quite sad they choose to scapegoat FFLogs and the savage/ultimate community instead of wanting to improve on their own numbers.

So, I saw a toxic person in a alliance raid yesterday! (Rabanastre, to be specific.)

...I ignored them, but since I pointed out that I almost never see these people, i felt it only fair to let you know that I saw this uncommon event. I think most other people ignored them too, and we cleared no problem.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I never said it doesn't exist, I said I haven't encountered it.

We're all using personal anecdotes to try to quantify the amount of toxicity within an entire community, in order to paint that entire community as either 'toxic' or 'not toxic' to suit our own personal agenda against that community, based on whether we identify as a part of that community or not...

That's toxic.

We're all posting on these forums.
We're all a part of this community.
Are we all toxic?

Look at the replies here?
The most toxic thing I see in this topic... is people calling different communities toxic... which they wouldn't be doing if this topic was never made.
All this topic is doing is pitting those who identify as a part of this community, against those who don't.

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This I think is the real irony. If the community is toxic, then everyone who posts here is also toxic. But I dont think thats the intention of some of these posts. The vibe I get is "All these people are toxic, except me."

I mean how are we gonna break this down? Are you toxic if youve ever been toxic? Are you toxic if you hold certain opinions about raiding or mentors? Are you toxic simply because you stay quiet in dungeons or dont interact?

Frankly, most everyone (if not everyone) whos played this game longer than a few months has behaved poorly at some point in time. No one is a saint, we all have sins, and Im of hte mindset that defining people only by poor behavior here and there as being toxic is not conducive to a good play environment. Villifying people because they do harder content or know the ins and outs of a game isnt also good for a community. Some of the posts here behave much like the people theyre anecdotally berating. Its a wierd form of elitism. "Oh youre a raider so youre probably toxic, but since Im not, I am a good little boy/girl."

Way I see it, if you have an opinion about groups of people, fine. Have that opinion. But dont be pre-judging individuals by the opinion you hold of the group. Afford everyone the courtesy to atleast either prove whether or not they fit the mold.

This community has always had some toxicity.

I encountered some toxic elitists in Heavensward.

I've always encountered some pleasant folks happy to teach people how to do various raid mechanics in Shadowbringers.

FFXIV has always had all sorts.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

This I think is the real irony. If the community is toxic, then everyone who posts here is also toxic. But I dont think thats the intention of some of these posts. The vibe I get is "All these people are toxic, except me."

I mean how are we gonna break this down? Are you toxic if youve ever been toxic? Are you toxic if you hold certain opinions about raiding or mentors? Are you toxic simply because you stay quiet in dungeons or dont interact?

Frankly, most everyone (if not everyone) whos played this game longer than a few months has behaved poorly at some point in time. No one is a saint, we all have sins, and Im of hte mindset that defining people only by poor behavior here and there as being toxic is not conducive to a good play environment. Villifying people because they do harder content or know the ins and outs of a game isnt also good for a community. Some of the posts here behave much like the people theyre anecdotally berating. Its a wierd form of elitism. "Oh youre a raider so youre probably toxic, but since Im not, I am a good little boy/girl."

Way I see it, if you have an opinion about groups of people, fine. Have that opinion. But dont be pre-judging individuals by the opinion you hold of the group. Afford everyone the courtesy to atleast either prove whether or not they fit the mold.

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I agree, you can't assume that an entire community is toxic just because a few people, who sometimes happen to be the ones who raise the most hell and yell the loudest, are mean to others. You also shouldn't presume an individual is toxic just because of one or two incidents.

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Originally Posted by Baalfrog

The community is just as bad as it always has been, I am of the opinion that this games community is the worst online community out there. It pretends that its so good, so happy and non-toxic, when its actually full of toxicicty in form of casually just hating everyone who comes from some place else, or doesn't like the things the general community likes. And then it gets all high and mighty in "OOOH we are so good, everyone else is shit though, don't come and ruin OUR community with YOUR toxicity."

Nothing is worse than toxic casual who doesn't know how toxic they really are...

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Oh boi, you cant be anymore wrong than this.
Ever played Tibia, metin2, CS go, LoL, multiplayer COD, World of tanks or dota 2?
Have you ever been wished to get a mortal disease and your parents to be done nasty things to them? like that xD

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Originally Posted by Baalfrog

The community is just as bad as it always has been, I am of the opinion that this games community is the worst online community out there.

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My sweet summer child, what do you know about toxic community ?!

Toxic is for the grieffer when the NM spawn hundreds of minutes delayed. Toxic is for the long night, when the child are trashed for the sake of a farming spot. That is the time for toxic behavior, when the elitist scum walk trough the maps, a dozen of years ago they came at night claming the life of every unaware begginer. And mother insulted to no ends rather than letting the hate go, the grease flowing between their finger, so this is the kind of community that you see here ?

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Originally Posted by Baalfrog

I am of the opinion that this games community is the worst online community out there.

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Compared to League of Legends, DOTA, Overwatch, Black Desert, Maplestory, and TERA? I disagree completely.

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Originally Posted by Baalfrog

The community is just as bad as it always has been, I am of the opinion that this games community is the worst online community out there. It pretends that its so good, so happy and non-toxic, when its actually full of toxicicty in form of casually just hating everyone who comes from some place else, or doesn't like the things the general community likes. And then it gets all high and mighty in "OOOH we are so good, everyone else is shit though, don't come and ruin OUR community with YOUR toxicity."

Nothing is worse than toxic casual who doesn't know how toxic they really are...

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While I fully believe this along with you, it's a different kind of toxicity. In other products, like League it's upfront and direct while here everything is hidden behind passive aggressiveness to avoid swift GM punishments (thanks to the new ToS).

GCBTW <3

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Originally Posted by RareItems

Hey, Rivxkobe.

Tenacity is a good melding option for Tanks.

Bye xD.

Also, i stand by when i say:

75% of the Elitist/Toxic ppl in this game are Raiders who for some reason think just because they can follow a step by step instruction from a guide and clear "Hard content" with the help of 3rd Party Apps suddenly gives them the right to look down on the rest of the playerbase.

The remaining 25% are the Mentors, most who raid themselves, seems to offer more criticisms instead of actually providing good sound advice.

The Raider's think so highly of themselves, they blatantly sell Ex Trial/Savage wins for Paypal transfers on the Party finder everyday lol.

Go ahead and hate, but deep down inside you know it's true. And for all the Raiders saying casual content is toxic? It's toxic because they're in it.

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If you want to use TEN that's fine, but it isn't "good" and isn't needed, which you straight up stated it was needed to run Expert roulette in another thread.

Are you are raider? A Mentor? I doubt it. If you are then you are proving your own point. If not? Your point is moot and lost.

I recently became a Mentor. I do not raid. Am I toxic? Sometimes, but that's when I'm fed up with people wasting time or being carried through content. Usually, I try to help people, or explain mechanics or state what needs to be done. Would I say any one group is more toxic than another? No.

I'm sorry you've had bad experiences with raiders and mentors but you've made your point, just because people have a different experience or disagree does not mean they are wrong.

And, again, you are easily the most toxic person in this thread.

The easiest way to not be toxic is very simple:

Stop caring about what other people do.

If you are clearing the content, not wiping, then you have no reason to alt tab into FFLogs and look in case someone isn't "pulling their weight" as long as you clear the content then DPS doesn't matter as the party's DPS is "enough" which is all you need.

If the party doesn't die then the healing is, again, "enough."

If the tank doesn't fall over and keeps the enemy's attention then he's tanking "enough."

You don't need, for any reason, to go more than that. Are you doing enough? Yes? Good! Move on.

That is where toxic comes in. Toxic is when you check logs before you start, ostracize people who've opted out, or who aren't totally min-maxed.

As long as they have enough, then there is no problem. The problem comes in when people demand more than enough.

The raiding community is definitely not the most toxic part of the game, and that is guaranteed. I have done savage prog pugs the past couple weeks, and actually those were probably the most patient, and fun interactions I have actually had in the game. We all improved, progressed, and complimented eachother when we did well, had patience when anyone made a mistake. There are definitely it's 'toxic' elements, but I think a lot of that has to do with personal drama via statics - which is universal across all games (clan/guild drama pretty much). Just don't join parties you have no business in joining, join parties applicable to you, or create one.

The majority of the toxicity I have personally seen in this game comes from the general user base, casual content, leveling content, farms, etc. Yes, a lot of it is from the high and mighty (holier than thou) part of the community as well. I will agree on one thing though, mentors. Mentors are some of the most toxic part of the community I have been around, and consistently witnessed across servers/datacenters.

I guess I live in my own little bubble because I haven't encountered much in terms of toxic people. Sure the random roulette can have issues, but overall I haven't had anything downright offensive. I also don't really raid a lot and tend to avoid Savage stuff, so maybe I just haven't slipped into that area of the game.

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I guess I live in my own little bubble because I haven't encountered much in terms of toxic people. Sure the random roulette can have issues, but overall I haven't had anything downright offensive. I also don't really raid a lot and tend to avoid Savage stuff, so maybe I just haven't slipped into that area of the game.

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From my experiences and observations youre not gonna find to much toxicity generally, savage or not. You may encounter more in PF for savage depending whats going on. It takes a bit of perspective at times. As an example, you join a farm party and the PL is very blunt saying "If you die so many times, youre out." Yeah thats kind of toxic and dickish, but if people go beyond the surface and actually talk to people they find the PL was been at this for a few hours in parties where people are trap** as hell and hes just trying to find a good solid group that can clear the stuff. Cause typically these same people who say that will not kick someone if they die. Theyll say "Have we been clearing and is this an outlier" and will keep going.

People can get frustrated with the performance of other players at times, especially when theyre trying to accomplish something. This isnt a Raider or Casual thing. Its a human thing. Everyone has limits and sometimes their patience gets tested. Some people find Trap** parties fun, but I think most people dont. And that can lead to some bitterness. Should they take a 5 minute break and cooldown? Yeah, but were dealing with people. When annoyed and really want something, people tend to go harder at it, not take a step back.


**Also for quick note: If youre not familiar with the term "Trap" or "Trap Parties", its parties with players who claim theyre better/more experienced then they are in a fight or at the game. So, as an example, if you are looking to join a clear party cause youve gotten to enrage a few times in PF, and join one in PF that claims theyve seen enrage and this is for clear but find out most people cant do the first few mechanics and it becomes apparent they dont know the fight, you got baited by players essentially. That happens a lot more than people realize in PF, which can be a problem. Sometimes you gotta fake it cause no one wants to join a learning party on certain content. I get that. But sometimes though its just pure frustration cause its wasting your time when you made proper assumptions that the party knew how to do the fights when really is a bunch of more inexperienced players who are hoping someone will carry them.

This thread's a tricky one because so many people have such varied experiences, so what seems right to one, will be wrong to another.
Speaking from experience, the game community has shifted, just as I feel like communities have shifted everywhere.

Certain players seem impatient, quick to anger/take offense, unable to take criticism or even gentle advice, yet constantly seek validation through behaviors that scream "give me attention."
It's really hard to explain, but 15 years ago, it wasn't like this - people still did these things, sure, but it wasn't to this extent. It's almost contradictory in a way - people scream "you don't pay my sub!" but at the same time say "please tell me I'm doing this right." This makes it hard for people to interact because you're walking on eggshells around the playerbase because it's so easy for folks to get offended. Not that I go around offending people haha - I don't! But I do feel wary all the same.

I can't pin down toxicity to one particular group of people because it's prevalent everywhere - FFXIV players, WoW players, casuals, raiders etc. That being said, the most toxic community I ever had the misfortune of meeting was on an old Lineage II private server eons ago; everything else seems tame in comparison ;). People seem quick to pass the blame nowadays instead of working toward a solution, because it's always easier when someone else is at fault /sarcasm

As for FFXIV though - I do feel like it's gotten a bit worse; it's expected though just given the style of game and how there's virtually no consequences for being a muppet (I have discussed the shift from old-gen communities to new-gen communities in a past post so I won't reiterate it here). As a result of this shift, I don't really do much with others now. I have some close friends that I chat with, but I try to steer clear of duty finder when I can because I don't want to deal with trolls, and I steer clear of FCs because of the amount of players that are needlessly argumentative or constantly demanding that someone pay them attention. I *could* find a small FC without that kind of drama, but it's tiring, and by the time I get home after working 12+hours, I just don't have the energy to hunt @_@.

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While I fully believe this along with you, it's a different kind of toxicity. In other products, like League it's upfront and direct while here everything is hidden behind passive aggressiveness to avoid swift GM punishments (thanks to the new ToS).

GCBTW <3

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Theee, not really.
Passive aggressiveness is present in leagu to a much higher degree than in FFXIV.
You will be lucky to not see it in league match when you are on losing side.

I mean passive aggressive condescending attitude towards any outsider is pretty horrible, and the hypocricy on "why we are better and everyone else is bad" is just absolutely ridiculous sentiment. Wow refugees ruin the community or this or that ruins the community. What people don't realize that it was ruined the very moment the game went online. It's different kind of toxicity from games like wow and such where people just outright tell you are shit, here they look at you, give you snide remarks and passive aggressive comments implying you are shit, just not saying it directly, but the message is excactly the same. Anyone who claims otherwise is deluded.

Great community by the way <3!

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

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I have played other games, this game is equally as toxic as the rest :p, its the lies that people tell that "the community is so great uwu owo" that is the big problem. Pretending its not cancerous doesn't make it not cancerous.

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Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

No OUR game, the OTHER games

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This is precisely the point, this game is not somehow magically better than any other game there is :p.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Nice poem!

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This is what I am getting at! This game doesn't have a better community than the rest do! People call noobs and their mothers shit in every game...

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Originally Posted by RareItems

Raiders ruin the game!

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Sounds like you need another dose of great community by the way!

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Originally Posted by Baalfrog

I mean passive aggressive condescending attitude towards any outsider is pretty horrible, and the hypocricy on "why we are better and everyone else is bad" is just absolutely ridiculous sentiment. Wow refugees ruin the community or this or that ruins the community. What people don't realize that it was ruined the very moment the game went online. It's different kind of toxicity from games like wow and such where people just outright tell you are shit, here they look at you, give you snide remarks and passive aggressive comments implying you are shit, just not saying it directly, but the message is excactly the same. Anyone who claims otherwise is deluded.

Great community by the way <3!

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World is not a set of 1 and 0.
Certain games communities are different to each other, some games has it a lot worse than others due to the game mechanics that are generating more emotional distress.
All these games are online and they are played by different people, each game is different with different set of rules which pulls in people with certain characteristics.
Competetive games are worst, because they pull people who are try harding for results, FFXIV by no means is not a competetive game and you simply cannot put the equal sign between FFXIV community and for example CS go or any moba game for instance.
Same with games that are made for older audience, will pull in a more mature players than for example fortnite.
Communities across different games are different, and FFXIV is nowhere near the worst community like you are stating, its overexageration and i guess you visit one subreddit quite too often.

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I agree on your sentiment here, but this is just in my experience of over 20 years of online gaming and I do firmly believe what I said, for the reasons I have stated. No other community is like this, which is also true, it is unique thats for sure!

Also, the thing is, its multiplayer, people are bound to clash becuase of different ideas and thoughts, but just cause a game doesn't have a competitive aspect, doesn't mean people are instantly nice and friendly and everything is just marshmallows and rainbows.

As for the subreddit, it does kinda coin the greatness of the community doesn't it! Thats the meme and the lie we tell each other before going to bed!

The toxicity is getting worse - and while it really IS because of the influx of players from other games, let me touch on something:

SE -ACTUALLY- disciplines people in this game and is NOT afraid to suspend or ban an account. When you encounter people that are toxic like this, DO report them. I know that a lot of folks in this community just like to move on and ignore toxic behavior but let me tell you: That is EXACTLY why we have toxic people. DO NOT just put up with it, ignore them and move on. Report them so that toxic player's are given warnings, suspensions and/or bans. It helps keep the community friendly. Once they start getting away with it, it will start happening more and more until it's out of control.

Take action when you see things like this.

There has been toxicity since the first online interaction. It's neither new nor getting worse, it just is.

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I’m regards to raider toxicity honestly I’ve seen more on the forums/Reddit than I have actually seen in game, maybe into the circles I hang in but most savage raiders I know are generally kind and willing to help out and even point out where I need to improve in a humble, kind way, the “you all dead dead weight, uninstall the game!” Crap I’ve only rarely seen in game, maybe since I started back in heavensward? I generally don’t join PFs for savage/extremes so maybe I’m missing a lot of that, but most of that toxicity I’ve seen is limited to a vocal minority on Reddit and the forums

It's a mixed bag for literally everyone's experiences.
Even when Gilg and Balmung was still combined and had all these people
sitting in a single center, I've rarely had a complete, down right horror from any player here.
But, as Angellos said, if people are acting up. Report! SE does talk to them about it.
The GM's are awesome. I talked to two of them before. People will learn to stop being jerks
once they get a warning, so they won't risk getting their entire paid account banned.

Great community btw.

Never noticed any toxicity tbh, but on the other hand i try not to waste peoples time so maybe thats why.
If anything FXIV got the most friendly and helpful community by a long-shot out of all the "big" MMORPG's.

Judging by those who cry in game and in forums the problem doesn't seem seem to be "toxicity" but entitlement of some players.

"They should let everyone know when a hunt spawn."
"They should wait for wait for everyone before pulling a hunt."
"They should carry everyone through a dungeon/raid despite being dead weight."
"They should not kick someone cause of their performance/DPS."

I haven't noticed any difference in toxicity but I'm not running extremes and savage content so I can't comment there. Regular duties seem to be the same as they've always been.

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Originally Posted by Angellos

The toxicity is getting worse - and while it really IS because of the influx of players from other games, let me touch on something:

SE -ACTUALLY- disciplines people in this game and is NOT afraid to suspend or ban an account. When you encounter people that are toxic like this, DO report them. I know that a lot of folks in this community just like to move on and ignore toxic behavior but let me tell you: That is EXACTLY why we have toxic people. DO NOT just put up with it, ignore them and move on. Report them so that toxic player's are given warnings, suspensions and/or bans. It helps keep the community friendly. Once they start getting away with it, it will start happening more and more until it's out of control.

Take action when you see things like this.

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Sometimes, the toxic players are the ones doing the reporting, and they don't belong to any partucular group. Working things out is better than simply reporting, when plausible.