Bunny outfits for men, not a cryptid!

I can bet 1 mil gil that if they were to make it different from the female ones, ppl mwould've complained regardless. I'm very sure I'll win that bet

Chilled for the night, returned with new perspective. That includes remembering that the Gambler's outfit exists. I fully admit that giving us a completely different design rather than a variation that fits the males would've skewed it too much in the other direction. I mean not really, but I can see why they did this (let's be honest, if they differed from this design, they would've had to deal with the cries to make whatever new design available to the ladies as well which 1. would've meant even more work, 2. left us right back where we started and thus not helped balance the books in the least). That said, we're not short on unisex items that look noticeably different on the different genders so I feel like they could've taken a few extra liberties with it. But as we all know, unless it's to slap panties on a piece of gear that should rightly be a top level legs piece, that sort of lack of symmetry usually works in the favor of the ladies so nothing new here.

I am left to hope that my hoped for bunny outfit which consists of short-shorts and a vest-corset combo will eventually make it into the game, and if it will be unisex, so much the better, more charas to rock that look, now without the disappointment of it being inaccessible to my main. Hey, one can dream, right?

Now I'm just left to wonder if they realize just how big a can of worms they opened with this because they lost a big case against making many other sets gender-unlocked (female locked -> unisex, we're not short on male locked -> unisex examples). Because seriously, how much more over the top can you get compared to a casino bunny-girl? I mean, Hildy already wore the spring dress...

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Seriously, this is a victory in the right direction. This proves that the devs heard your call.

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The devs have been better lately about giving male characters equal glamour opportunities compared to female characters. There's still a bias towards female outfits, and there probably always will be, but at least they're making an effort. The male bunny suits are another example that the devs are listening and trying to please us.

Looks like all the dev time went into getting dat Roe ass to fit into those stockings.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

"Goes in line" means this isn't the only thing I'm taking into consideration here, just another thing to add to the bucket. Gear design in this expansion so far has left a lot to desire.

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Not just gear design; there's been a whole lot of lazy going on. What little content Eureka is was delayed a ridiculous amount of time, and we still don't even have some of the basic things we've previously had like battlecraft leves or the grand leves HW introduced. There'd been a rumor before SB that it "had triple the budget" and oh boy was that ever wrong.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

You preach and demanded for bunny suits for two years and when you finally get it, you complain that it's not different enough?

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It's about how one of 2 things should've happened: Either they just slap the girls' outfits on guys and call it a day, or take the time to make new models for guys to be distinct. The amount of time they took conflicts with the lack of difference in them, and the wait just turned the whole thing into hype followed by disappointment.

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Originally Posted by Ariane

(...)outfit is based off the Playboy bunny costume, which means the outfit wasn't distinctive to be able to get a trademark. So yes, Chipperndales outfit is the male version of the Bunny Playboy costume.

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Oh...So now a collar with a bow tie and shirt cuffs make one a bunny, no matter what else is done?! You know that "based off" of something doesn't mean that it's the same thing shown differently, right? Volksvagen Beetle having the name and shape reminiscent of a beetle doesn't make it a mechanical insect, for example. Cars in low-budget games based off of real life cars don't make them a Mercedes, BMW etc., just cause they look very much like those (and that IS the point). So yes. A suit that does not look like a bunny suit is NOT bunny suit. Just add one penny to the jar of irrelevant things in common that they share with multiple different types of setups.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

That's pretty bizarre. Why leave it just to their female staff?

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Probably because they never wanted these suits due to the female connotations of theirs, their look etc. And the women were the only ones in the team willing to work on it. Many men dislike the idea very strongly after all, so it would be no surprise that the team mostly was hostile to the idea...hence the long time to arrival.

Lol complaining about a glamour outfit that everyone asked for. It’s not like there’s a jillion other articles of clothing in the game.

Ahhh, I understand now. So if the NA community was complaining about this for 2 years, now they got it and still don't like it, what was the point in implementing it in the first place? You can't win at that point so I can see now why they gotten REALLY lazy on the gear set for the men.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

I can bet 1 mil gil that if they were to make it different from the female ones, ppl mwould've complained regardless. I'm very sure I'll win that bet

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Why are you assuming that everyone shares the same opinions? There are people who like this and there are those who don't. It makes no sense to come here with "I bet the people who wanted this would have complained if they got what they didn't want" ????

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

On these forums at least, I don't remember seeing a single person requesting a more masculine version. Every single time they either specified wanting the same exact one females had or they only said "bunny suit" which is 100% open to interpretation and any reasonable person would rightfully assume they're requesting the female one.

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I was looking at old threads and seems that back then you somewhat understood it, but now are choosing not to.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Actually, I believe people have asked for a male-specific version and not necessarily sharing the at-the-time-current ears with the females. In fact, if I remember correctly, they asked for the bent ears for males before 3.1 was even on the horizon.

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Either way, not surprised coming from a catgirl. It's always catgirls and Au Ra coming to these threads to argue against a topic that doesn't affect them, and a topic where they are already favored.

EDIT: a few more quotes since apparently no one ever wanted anything but the female version:

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Originally Posted by MisterLucie

Nobody in this thread has asked for the current bunny outfit to be made unisex. They're asking when or if the one that is currently being created to suit male characters is going to be available, and everyone in here seems to be going off the assumption that it will be redesigned to more appropriately accommodate a masculine figure.

Whether the final result will or will not be any one design is irrelevant. It's being created with the intent of being worn by men. It is, by definition, not crossdressing.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I just want to look like a Chippendales dancer so I can stop glamouring tuxedos and the butler outfit.

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

I'm sort of expecting the outfit to look something like these.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/02a019b90...7cnno8_540.png
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O3LIx2hKo3...Cut-Ins_04.jpg

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

They never said the male version of the bunny outfit would be about crossdressing though? Unless I misunderstood it, it sounded like they just wanted to make an attractive (male) outfit for males.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

I mean, I wouldn't be against an option to hide glamours for people who hate fun?

But I hope you realize that if you're concerned about male characters 'wearing female gear', then the sexy chippendales-style outfit we're asking for:
https://i.imgur.com/225YAak.png

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That's just a few pages, you're free to dig the old threads for more, you'll find people who wanted the same female outfit, but you'll find lots more who wanted a new male version.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Wasn't a fan of this idea to begin with, but it's amazing how long it took them to do this. There's like, 0 difference between the male and female sets. Seriously.

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Let's be honest. They had absolutely no intention of ever doing this, and only did so because of player demand. It was at the bottom of their to do list, hence why it took so long.

I now believe that they really no intention to making female only, male gear sets. If this goes to the mog station I believe that SE won't see it hit the top 3 for a week, but I could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Wasn't a fan of this idea to begin with, but it's amazing how long it took them to do this. There's like, 0 difference between the male and female sets. Seriously.

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I was rooting for the males to get their version and all the talk from Yoshida made it sound like it would be a different version that would look great on males. (Like he said that the females in their teams are working on this) It really looks just like the female version including the breast part of the clothing..(some of those males look like they have small breasts..) Years for a copy..welp..what can one say about this other than it feels lazy..I really get the feeling like they just started on this recently because people kept on asking them for it instead of forgetting it. x)

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Things like this irritates me about this community. I just don't get it...

You preach and demanded for bunny suits for two years and when you finally get it, you complain that it's not different enough? I mean, isn't this what you guys wanted?

If they made a Thav Dress and Wedding Dress for males are you going to complain it's not different enough as well?

Seriously, this is a victory in the right direction. This proves that the devs heard your call. But complaining like this is going to make the devs feel like you guys are ungrateful and why bother with other requests. Sorry, but coding doesn't work like (check box male availability and it'll magically snap on). They have to make outfits from scratch to fit the different sizes of the genders. The suit for female Au Ra won't just magically scale to male Au Ra.

Arguments about lazy designs and having to wait are irrelevant when this is EXACTLY what was requested. It probably took so long so that they could enable the option for players who already own the female version can fantasia to male and not have to repurchase a separate version of it, along with the fact that they had better things to do than to work on a glamour that a small minority of the community even want's to wear. Which is why it was on a low priority list to begin with.

You guys should be happy that you finally got something you fought two years for. To me, this just proves that those complaining just wanted to be snow flakes all along and didn't truly want equality.

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It actually proves nothing of the sort. The game isn't a charity, it comes at a monthly cost, in addition to many other costs. Male toons are more or less 50% of those actively played. The complaint here is not that the item was added, but 1) the time it took, 2) the way in which it was implemented and 3) the general attitude this displays towards male toon outfit options. At least straighten up your understanding before trying to paint people as being ridiculous in what they're asking for. Some people did want the exact female outfit, and they got it, but they're not the same as those who are complaining about what has been introduced, just weeks after SE resolutely refused to make a copy/paste of the female glamour for the Spring outfit. They're distinct groups, and I would daresay that the group playing male chars as a whole is far larger than the cross-dressing subset, hence more complaints than not.

Additionally, your argument on coding is really a non-starter. What are they being paid for, do you think? What annoys people about this sort of argument is that they're happy to funnel the profits from FFXIV into other ventures, some of which can't stand on their own, and which are performing far worse.

Also, why don't we ask them for some statistics on all their female-only glamours and let's see how the cost-benefit for them stacks up.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Why are you assuming that everyone shares the same opinions? There are people who like this and there are those who don't. It makes no sense to come here with "I bet the people who wanted this would have complained if they got what they didn't want" ????



I was looking at old threads and seems that back then you somewhat understood it, but now are choosing not to.

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It's a case of selective stupidity/amnesia.

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Originally Posted by kikix12

Probably because they never wanted these suits due to the female connotations of theirs, their look etc. And the women were the only ones in the team willing to work on it. Many men dislike the idea very strongly after all, so it would be no surprise that the team mostly was hostile to the idea...hence the long time to arrival.

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The annoying thing is that it's to the detriment of people who want proper male variants of the outfits. I would be ok with them just removing gender-locks altogether and designing two variants, where the variation is required and the outfit isn't more or less unisex, as many are. It'd require more resources, but I'm only willing to let that argument fly if they're already pouring in all their revenues into FF (allowing for profit), and then still find themselves strained. If not... then I'm less concerned. Either way, I'd rather the priority was in designing more decent glamours for male toons. I'm less concerned about cross-dressing, in all honesty, as it is indeed a much tinier subset of the people who play male toons. Just saying they could please that crowd too, if they wanted to.

It also makes it seem more like a grudging gesture to shut people up, if it is as you say. If that is so, then the general response is a pretty appropriate reaction, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

In other words, you don't really have a stake in the fight or any knowledge of the long string of disappointments where male glamour options are concerned yet you can't help but rush at the chance to make a snide comment. It's very telling that the vast majority of the posters belittling the concerns raised about male glamour options don't even seem to play a male character themselves...at least not as their main character. Interestingly enough, many of those same individuals also post as Au Ra and Miqo'te women - which just so happen to be the two of the more popular and 'fan service' options available where glamour options are concerned.

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For future reference, if you start a movement, this is exactly how you keep people from joining your side. Alienating all potential allies won't help you in any way. You'll make it an "us vs them," instead "we just want that glam."

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Originally Posted by Lauront

The annoying thing is that it's to the detriment of people who want proper male variants of the outfits.

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Listen. I am absolutely in agreement that male characters should have high-quality, well-designed options that underline their particular traits in sexy, or cool, or 'macho' etc. styles. The entire reason why I stopped playing male characters in MMO's is because the armors ALWAYS looked like junk in every single game. Except for the limited few that were always bought with real life money...which I won't to for a look. I always played male characters for "heavy duty" classes like tanks and female for casters before that. So yes, I am in support of proper gear for males.

However...I just cannot imagine a proper gear for men that would fall into a "bunny suit". Chippendales 'costume'? Fair game. As I said in previous posts I have no issue with that. Only have an issue with it being called a bunny suit, which in anyway I look at it, it is not. There are just certain things that do not suit men in my opinion. Fishnets being one of them (then again, I hate fishnets on women as well, so it's a bad compounded upon bad altogether). A 'bunny' outfit being another. Ears?! Well, whatever. There are already cosplay costumes in the game, so bunny ears are a non-issue in that respect. But anything that would look 'decent' in my eyes would have nothing to do with bunnies. Just standard suits. Just like the images that alimdia quoted posted by Fredco191. That's a magician-styled suit...with bunny ears. It is 'male' because it never was a bunny suit to begin with.

Unfortunately, peoples brains work by comparison. What does a bunny suit have with actual bunnies?! Nothing really, except the ears and fluffy tails if present. But a specific setup was named that and it did stick. However, since it DID stick, now you DO have a comparison for any other bunny suit. A bunny suit, for whichever gender, will not be a bunny suit, unless it uses a similar style to what was called it in the first place.
Think of it like this. A tricycle could have very well been called a mountain bike...if not for the fact that a mountain bike already exists and is defined as something. Since it is...a tricicle cannot be a mountain bike since it doesn't meet the requirements of it. It's the same here. A bunny suit is specified. It have characteristics that are more or less clearly defined. And that's where we have a problem.

The threads that called out for a male-wearable bunny suit got what they wanted. A male-wearable bunny suit. Those that expected a bunny-suit inspired male and masculine suit...well, those didn't get what they want. But they are, in a way, at their own fault. It seems that there were some that made their interest more clear, but they still latched on to the "male bunny suit" crowd. Why?! Why didn't they make their own thread? Why didn't they make their own requests?! Developers just looked at a translated transcription of the threads. They didn't look at individual posts. They couldn't even if they'd want to. Because these people "latched on" to those that represented a different front altogether, they got shafted. Instead of learning from that and at least NOW making a proper request thread with the PROPER information from the get-go...despite them being at fault for falsifying statistics and putting false pressure on the developers, they put forth blame and anger at the developers where, for a change, they had no fault of at all. Now, this IS a problem because developers will, again, not know the details of this outrage. They cannot. They will, once again, get the wrong message. This time it will be "they are thankless, spoiled brats and should be ignored even more than before".

Hope this at least clarifies my stance.

TBH the more I think about it the more I'm amazed we actually got this instead of a "bunny" variation of the pig suit...

EDIT: and as I said that, I instantly knew what I was going to glamour for next Easter.

Hardly anyone wears the female top either.
Just take the ears and run guys.

My first impression was this has to be a joke. This was what took them so long? This?!?
No way am I going to get that costume for my alts. Fishnets on a guy? A cute little bustier? Complete with bra cups?
It'll probably make a few of the 'comedy male roes' happy but I was hoping for something that would actually look attractive and sexy. Well, just another SB disappointment.

In the interests of providing balanced criticism, the ears are ok.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Why are you assuming that everyone shares the same opinions? There are people who like this and there are those who don't. It makes no sense to come here with "I bet the people who wanted this would have complained if they got what they didn't want" ????

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I'm not assuming that the same ppl would be complaining, I'm stating that there'll be always complaining no matter what

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Originally Posted by Remedi

I'm not assuming that the same ppl would be complaining, I'm stating that there'll be always complaining no matter what

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That's true for everything and anything because that's human nature, not like we have a monopoly on it. Even when, iono, Lyse's outfit came on the mog station, why is it on the mog station, why is it not dyable, why is it for single chara, etc etc. Here we traded in the complaints about how to get it (if it's not through the Gold Saucer, frigging riot) to the element of surprise (everyone knows what an NPC's outfit looks like before it's on the mog store, not the case here)

I am disappointed to see that resources from SE go into things like this. How about instead of whining about glamours, they actually put that time into making better content. Think about how bad this looks from the outside. People see the ff community raging over glamours, male bunny suit glamours. Is that going to get people to play the game or take us seriously?

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Originally Posted by yeppers

I am disappointed to see that resources from SE go into things like this. How about instead of whining about glamours, they actually put that time into making better content. Think about how bad this looks from the outside. People see the ff community raging over glamours, male bunny suit glamours. Is that going to get people to play the game or take us seriously?

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I definitely want the gear creation teams to start working on more mid-core combat content that will look good to people who don't even care about this game's existence. Stop making clothes so we can fight more things! Who needs to have dress-up options anyway? That ****'s for girls man! And if those professionals at SE can't pick up an entirely new skillset fast enough to satisfy the demands of the playerbase, then what are we paying them for?! :rolleyes:

In all seriousness, a lot of people want to look good when they go out to kill stuff. Having more options is good for everyone. And yes, this whole bunny suit thing was kind of important to some of us who have male characters and see females getting lots of variety and exclusive stuff that we don't. You might not notice since you are one of the millions of people playing a female lizard character, but guys have less exclusive gender locked gear, less options in quantity and (subjective) quality to females. The bunny suit was the ultimate symbol of this inequality- girls got a fancy, sexy set to run around in and we couldn't even get the blippin' ears despite popular demand.

I feel like you don't have a horse in this race and thus don't understand our position. You see it as "wow these guys are so petty they're arguing over dress-up and I don't want to be associated with people like that", some of us see it as "SE might FINALLY be listening to us, at least a little bit, but we really need to have some honest dialogue about their thought process behind this". There's an uproar because SE didn't clearly communicate what their plans were, any sort of timeline, or anything at all other than "if we tell you we're working on it will you shut up and stop asking". It's poor management of communication and expectations on their part, which is a problem that's been noted in other issues like Eureka.

Also, at the last, who really cares about what outsiders think about us? If someone looks into FF XIV and sees this thread amidst the sea of other quality threads about rampant botting, lackluster PvP, bad dev communication, Server Limitations(tm), stale content formulas, Eureka complaints, and spaghetti code and decide that this isn't the game for them, then fine, so be it. They were probably looking for an excuse to dismiss the game anyway at that point.

I didn't read all of the post before mine but im sure they echo the same sentiment. Yay, it's a win that guys are getting the bunny suit. But, at the same time, it's the exact same suit. I was really looking forward to a true "male" version, like someone mentioned before tight vest, hot pants, smaller bow tie. I mean I'm a lala so it wont look so bad on me per se, but I'm not a fan. I feel bad saying this but I feel SE completely missed what we were getting at. But, personal preference aside, it's still a win, lol?

I wonder what the Japanese and European forms think?

Also, you can't tell me that lalas added to this development time, the male and female models are the same.

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Originally Posted by yeppers

I am disappointed to see that resources from SE go into things like this. How about instead of whining about glamours, they actually put that time into making better content. Think about how bad this looks from the outside. People see the ff community raging over glamours, male bunny suit glamours. Is that going to get people to play the game or take us seriously?

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they are too busy delaying "new content" for copy/paste glams, then people wonder why it is only fate running

SE should better come up with something original that looks good and not such a stuff that maybe 1% of the players glam for a few days because they find it funny.
It's hard enough to find good glamour with Male Chars, and now there are Bunnysuits... hooray !!! v.v

Nice that males are finally getting it but there is 0 difference. If this what SE was going to do from the start, then it should have been implemented since day one.

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I have to agree with this sentiment. Imagine you're at PAX East, and you've never played or even heard of FFXIV, so you go to the panel to check it out. Then you see the big reveal is some skimpy male outfits. How are outsiders supposed to take us seriously and how is the game going to grow when this is the image you're putting up at a public event like PAX.

I've been playing this game for 2+ years and this thread is disappointing to me. I don't care what you want to wear in game, but throwing such a fit because something that has been asked for for years has finally came out and it's not exactly what you wanted. It's pathetic, and makes you look like children.

I like when new glamours come out, but a lot of people in this thread seem to think it should be, or even is a priority. It isn't, and it shouldn't be, and expecting SE to prioritize glamours and other cosmetic things over actual content is foolish and harms the game as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Leglibe

I like when new glamours come out, but a lot of people in this thread seem to think it should be, or even is a priority.

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1. Character customization is one of the game's selling points and should therefore be its strongest points
2. If you're not raiding your endgame content is seriously limited. Even if you are raiding. You're not out of things to do in the game but for most of the population that still boils down to housing (limited resource) and glamour to the point even Yoshi-P said at one point it's the true end-game.

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expecting SE to prioritize glamours and other cosmetic things over actual content

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Implying the same people work on both things. They're not.

People keep repeating "we should have gotten [insert non glamour content] instead of [glamour]". You know SE isn't 4 Japanese guys in a single cubicle, right? The people working on raids aren't the same people animating mounts, aren't the same people writing the story, aren't the people designing glamour outfits, etc.

The bunny set was shown at PAX because its pretty much become a yearly tradition for someone at PAX to ask about the status of the set. iirc, it was the first event where someone in a Q&A asked Yoshi directly for the set.

You know what I want to see happen for maximum lulz and salt? SE puts the male bunny suit on the Mog Station!

People obviously want male bunny suits so bad, they'll be willing to shell out that RL gil for it right? Come on SE, you know you want to~

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Originally Posted by Lauront

The game also isn't as hard to design outfits for as, say, WoW, which suffers from more outdated tech and therefore requires more granular manipulation.

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At this point, WoW's tech is ahead of XIV's on many levels. Creating new gear, most of them with multiple colors and special effects is a non issue. Graphically...WoW might not be as quite as pretty as XIV, but the art style is top notch and has its own unique beauty. They keep the engine updated with each expansion. Why is WoW so successful? Because they keep it up to date and make improvements. The game was built from the ground up to last. It hasn't always been perfect, but it's still miles ahead of XIV in so many ways. SE could make the changes needed to make XIV a great game, but until they receive bad press or experience severe sub loss they won't lift a finger.

You do realise they are basically just removing the gender lock on the existing set?

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

At this point, WoW's tech is ahead of XIV's on many levels. Creating new gear, most of them with multiple colors and special effects is a non issue. Graphically...WoW might not be as quite as pretty as XIV, but the art style is top notch and has its own unique beauty. They keep the engine updated with each expansion. Why is WoW so successful? Because they keep it up to date and make improvements. The game was built from the ground up to last. It hasn't always been perfect, but it's still miles ahead of XIV in so many ways. SE could make the changes needed to make XIV a great game, but until they receive bad press or experience severe sub loss they won't lift a finger.

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I would argue chest and leg armor lacking models is a PRETTY big hindrance to appearances.

That being said, WOO BUNNY SUIT! People can crusade all they want, this is exactly what I was expecting.

It doesn't matter how long it took them, the main point is that it's out. Let's show SE this kind of thing is wanted so hopefully the next one won't take 3 years.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

I would argue chest and leg armor lacking models is a PRETTY big hindrance to appearances.

That being said, WOO BUNNY SUIT! People can crusade all they want, this is exactly what I was expecting.

It doesn't matter how long it took them, the main point is that it's out. Let's show SE this kind of thing is wanted so hopefully the next one won't take 3 years.

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Both have models though, just not always 3D. That doesn't mean that they lack models.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

It doesn't matter how long it took them, the main point is that it's out. Let's show SE this kind of thing is wanted so hopefully the next one won't take 3 years.

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That's exactly why I'm going to be selling myself to Godbert and getting both sets on all my guy charas.

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Originally Posted by Synrin

You do realise they are basically just removing the gender lock on the existing set?

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Exactly. This is exactly what people asked for, removing gender locks on female glamours. And then it comes out and they cry that it's not what they asked for. I actually feel bad for Yoshi P and the dev team, because they can't win with this.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

At this point, WoW's tech is ahead of XIV's on many levels. Creating new gear, most of them with multiple colors and special effects is a non issue. Graphically...WoW might not be as quite as pretty as XIV, but the art style is top notch and has its own unique beauty. They keep the engine updated with each expansion. Why is WoW so successful? Because they keep it up to date and make improvements. The game was built from the ground up to last. It hasn't always been perfect, but it's still miles ahead of XIV in so many ways. SE could make the changes needed to make XIV a great game, but until they receive bad press or experience severe sub loss they won't lift a finger.

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A bit of apple and oranges tbh, they are very different systems and the fact that Wow is much simplier than FFXIV might just also mean that upgrading it is much easier, while let's not forget that the shadow of 1.0 still lingers they even said that they are working on getting over them, however I know it should've been ready yday and all but frankly let's stop with this nonsense of them listening only to bad press and sub losses shall we? Because the same could be said to Activision-Blizzard too.

The criticisms are fine....the issue I have is that no one seems to balance it out by acknowledging what SE did do.

Sure there is a lot of stuff SE does that I don't like, but I can give objective credit where credit is due.

They did this even though they kind of openly admitted they didn't want to, just to try to make a portion of the FFXIV players happy.

This is the first time, as far as I remember, that they have ever changed a female locked glamour set to being able to be worn by males.

I mean these are the first steps, they have been trying to listen, but they may stop listening if people are showing zero appreciation for what they tried to do and calling the company lazy isn't going to help us get more opportunities as a community to ask for what we want in the game.

Sure, you might not have been in the camp that wanted a direct copy of the female version, but acknowledge what I listed above and then add critiques of what you want to see in the future and keep campaigning for more male glamours in general. They will be way more likely to keep putting the effort in if they can see the player base being at least partially appreciative.

When it comes to SE bending to requests from the community only posting negativity and not posting a few of the positives (no matter how small they may be) just won't help us get more things we want in my opinion.

Have to remember it is their game, not ours, they obviously want to keep their subscribers happy of course otherwise they wouldn't make a profit, but honestly the game wasn't going to crash and burn just because they ignored a male bunny suit request, but they still did it anyway right?

I mean older MMOs basically never listened to the players when it came to development (most didn't even have an official forums). Something like a campaign for a certain set of glamour in old games it would have been unheard of for the game company to listen at all. So I really feel some appreciation is needed here even if you have critiques to go with it that is fine.

While I personally have zero desire to get the bunny outfit (I don't think they look good at all, they look horrible on female characters), I'm glad that those have been wanting it are finally getting it.







Now if only SE's CEOs would stop taking a large chunk of the profits made by 14 to make the 7 remake, KH3 & a golf sim in 15...