Sorry Yoshi, but if you award the best weapon in the game by winning the lottery...

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Originally Posted by Alynn

Why is this thread still going on lol. It's not like the weapon drops FOR SURE. And even then it has to drop from a selection of classes and then you still have to win the roll. It's not the end of the world. Highly doubt Yoshi-P would do something like this to rustle people's jimmies. Stop getting so worked up over something so trivial.

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This. I've also yet to actually be in a group that actually CLEARED the fight itself. We either always wipe until it fails or literally half the players leave the moment their main objectives are done.

I dont get all the fuss about these 280 weapons. I mean hypothetically all content currently out could be done without it so why would you need it unless you are a completionist. Why does the introduction of this throw things off balance for you. Its not like we have been seeing posts of people getting kicked from groups because they dont have a 280 weapon.

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Originally Posted by caponesavage

I dont get all the fuss about these 280 weapons. I mean hypothetically all content currently out could be done without it so why would you need it unless you are a completionist. Why does the introduction of this throw things off balance for you. Its not like we have been seeing posts of people getting kicked from groups because they dont have a 280 weapon.

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Because the gearaholic crowd has to have it to be happy. It's not a game breaker for sure and it doesn't invalidate the work of those who have 275's.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Because the gearaholic crowd has to have it to be happy. It's not a game breaker for sure and it doesn't invalidate the work of those who have 275's.

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It does if the only reason you wasted all the time, gil and effort was to have a BiS weapon from completion until SB. A reasonable expectation given the relic was BiS from completion until HW and nothing was said that suggested the anima would be different. Just nine days of BiS and then *yoink*, "Sorry, our new Diadem is trash and we needed something to bait people in."

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Because the gearaholic crowd has to have it to be happy. It's not a game breaker for sure and it doesn't invalidate the work of those who have 275's.

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Gear is and always has been a driving force for a lot of people in MMO's. Maybe for you it is not as important but you need to understand that a lot of different people play this game. It's the same when some people don't understand all the fuss about glamour gear and emotes or gardening because they think stuff like that is pointless. People aren't just upset over the fact that the gear they have worked hard for to achieve is now being outshined by 280 weapons. It's also just an unfair system to begin with because it is exclusively based on RNG. Some people will be doing this content forever without getting anything out of it while others hop in once and get a weapon right away.

It's a problem that has been present for a long time with other content as well, such as farming Primals for mounts. The fact that they have a system in place to counter this unfairness (totem trade for example), yet decide to hold it back speaks volumes.
It's just really bad game design that screws over the majority of players while only rewarding a lucky few. I would not care so much if they had put in a trade system already. Like, let's say beat the EM 100 times, get a weapon by default.

At least that way I'd see some sort of progress. I'd work towards a goal and force myself to do this even though I absolutely despise Diadem 2.0

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Originally Posted by Xerek

It does if the only reason you wasted all the time, gil and effort was to have a BiS weapon from completion until SB. A reasonable expectation given the relic was BiS from completion until HW and nothing was said that suggested the anima would be different. Just nine days of BiS and then *yoink*, "Sorry, our new Diadem is trash and we needed something to bait people in."

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BiS is a preference not a need. Many people clear the content without ever getting full BiS gear. Does it help. Sure. Is it a necessity not really. As for the Diadem situation I am all for giving players incentive for doing content. What would be the point of it without incentive.

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Originally Posted by Xerek

It does if the only reason you wasted all the time, gil and effort was to have a BiS weapon from completion until SB. A reasonable expectation given the relic was BiS from completion until HW and nothing was said that suggested the anima would be different. Just nine days of BiS and then *yoink*, "Sorry, our new Diadem is trash and we needed something to bait people in."

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No I don't buy it. Your need to justify your relic chase gets pretty old. I have 7 (seven) 275 relics and working on my 8th doing light. I didn't do mine expecting them to be BIZ let alone until expansion. I don't see it as a big issue personally. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by caponesavage

BiS is a preference not a need. Many people clear the content without ever getting full BiS gear. Does it help. Sure. Is it a necessity not really. As for the Diadem situation I am all for giving players incentive for doing content. What would be the point of it without incentive.

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Yes, but the point is, the only reason I wasted all that time, gil and effort was to have BiS from completion. If I knew this would happen, I would never have started and just used the EX and/or Shire weapons that could have cleared all the content perfectly well. As such, the i280s rendered everything invested into the anima as wasted. And just nine days after completion. That is why I, and others, are upset.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

No I don't buy it. Your need to justify your relic chase gets pretty old. I have 7 (seven) 275 relics and working on my 8th doing light. I didn't do mine expecting them to be BIZ let alone until expansion. I don't see it as a big issue personally. Get over it.

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You completed your animas for your reasons, I completed mine for a different one. Your failure to accept that people may have completed their animas for different reasons shows you to be very narrow-minded. Accept that people have different motivations and get over it.

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Originally Posted by Xerek

You completed your animas for your reasons, I completed mine for a different one. Your failure to accept that people may have completed their animas for different reasons shows you to be very narrow-minded. Accept that people have different motivations and get over it.

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Oh i accept it and you've more than made your point in this and other threads. We get it. You're not happy. I don't have a failure to accept different points of view. You seem to not like mine obviously. There is a difference between expressing one's point of view and repeating oneself over and over again saying the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Fate_Testarossa

Gear is and always has been a driving force for a lot of people in MMO's. Maybe for you it is not as important but you need to understand that a lot of different people play this game. It's the same when some people don't understand all the fuss about glamour gear and emotes or gardening because they think stuff like that is pointless. People aren't just upset over the fact that the gear they have worked hard for to achieve is now being outshined by 280 weapons. It's also just an unfair system to begin with because it is exclusively based on RNG. Some people will be doing this content forever without getting anything out of it while others hop in once and get a weapon right away.

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And you need this weapon now for what? For what content is this so important or is it just the fact one has to have the latest and best weapon in order to be happy? Pesonally I can buy the disapproval of the raider community given in my view raid weapons should be the best weapons in the game but in reality at this point this weapon really isn't needed by anyone.

They'll do it again, watch.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

And you need this weapon now for what? For what content is this so important or is it just the fact one has to have the latest and best weapon in order to be happy? Pesonally I can buy the disapproval of the raider community given in my view raid weapons should be the best weapons in the game but in reality at this point this weapon really isn't needed by anyone.

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I don't think you've read everything I stated, otherwise you wouldn't quote me with a statement that goes beyond just the argument of the ilvl of the weapon.
It's not just a slap in the face for raiders and relic grinders, it is a fundamentally flawed system because it is tied to rng. The best gear in a game should never be tied to an rng factor as it only rewards a lucky few while some others will never get it despite trying just as hard or harder.

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Originally Posted by Alerion

I understand what you're getting at but I think the principle of what I'm trying to say stands.

We're in the "end of expansion" phase where item power doesn't mean a whole lot. The final patch has dropped and FFXIV is following MMO tradition of letting players obtain powerful gear fairly easily for the few months left it will be useful.

I maintain that we should focus on our pre-expansion checklists or take a break instead of worrying over what amounts to nothing.

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Where's my Steps of Faith 2.0? I DEMAND SCRUB TEARS!

Everyone can get a relic weapon granted they spend enough time. If you don't have enough time then you can do raid content. This new weapon however throws all of that out of the window.
It's the same how, in my opinion, the BiS crafting gear you get from WT is a bad thing, but at least you can still have gear that is on par by penta-melding the regular crafted gear.

And the whole "what do you need this weapon for" argument is retarded. You might as well say: "Why do you need any gear ever? It will become useless at some point anyway".
That is just a dead argument.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Oh i accept it and you've more than made your point in this and other threads. We get it. You're not happy. I don't have a failure to accept different points of view. You seem to not like mine obviously. There is a difference between expressing one's point of view and repeating oneself over and over again saying the same thing.

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The only reason I repeat myself, is because people keep posting "I don't understand why people are upset.", even though it's explained by myself and others multiple times in these threads. Don't agree is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But they should at least understand. People need to respect the opinions and motivations of others, even if they don't share them.

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Originally Posted by Xerek

The only reason I repeat myself, is because people keep posting "I don't understand why people are upset.", even though it's explained by myself and others multiple times in these threads. Don't agree is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But they should at least understand. People need to respect the opinions and motivations of others, even if they don't share them.

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I understand that. I also would like a link to where it was stated that Relic weapons would be biz? I spend a lot of time here on this forum and I don't recall ever reading that. Some may have had the expectation that it might become biz but I don't recall it ever being explicitly stated that it would. The i-275 step was a surprise to me. On the other hand I know I've seen endless discussion about what a waste of time relic is and that it would never be anything more than a glamour piece.

I'm sorry you're unhappy.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I understand that. I also would like a link to where it was stated that Relic weapons would be biz? I spend a lot of time here on this forum and I don't recall ever reading that. Some may have had the expectation that it might become biz but I don't recall it ever being explicitly stated that it would. The i-275 step was a surprise to me. On the other hand I know I've seen endless discussion about what a waste of time relic is and that it would never be anything more than a glamour piece.

I'm sorry you're unhappy.

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Relic weapons were BiS from completion until HW. Expectations were that anima would follow suit and nothing was ever said to contradict that the whole way. People who had that as their goal got to bask in the triumph for a whole nine days before being blindsided. It comes down to communication, or lack thereof from the devs.

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Originally Posted by Fate_Testarossa

And the whole "what do you need this weapon for" argument is retarded. You might as well say: "Why do you need any gear ever? It will become useless at some point anyway".
That is just a dead argument.

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What do you need this weapon for argument is not retarded its the truth. Can you honestly say that folks cannot do any of the top tier current raid content with a 275 weapon that you most certainly need the 280 weapon or folks just cant complete it. These weapons do not in any way invalidate the time and effort people spent on their relics. If anything it still shows your dedication to the game. I am still working on my relic for my main and you know what the 280 weapons have not made me say to myself screw it whats the point because my 275 weapon will still carry me through all the content this game has to offer.

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You don't get it. The majority of the gear a raid drops is also useless if you go by that logic because the current raid tier can easily be done in minimum ilvl requirements. It's a stupid argument. People don't just want to have BiS weapons for raid content. Some people simply want to have BiS weapons because they want to get the most out of the character they are using and then others like me simply want it to have that little edge for when SB comes out. Yes, the weapon will be replaced, yes it will most likely only be BiS for the first 5 or so levels but if it gives me a small edge in leveling speed than it is worth it to me.

You seem to assume that everyone treats BiS the same way, but let me assure you that people have different opinions and reasons for why they want certain gear.

The bottom line is that the current system is unfair. The BiS gear should never, at any point in time, be tied to an rng mechanic. It's an unfair system.

The tags on this thread are more hilarious than the thread itself.

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Originally Posted by Fate_Testarossa

... Maybe for you it is not as important but you need to understand that a lot of different people play this game...

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Why this importance falls apart when were done things that helps more the commons than the high houses? BIS here, BIS that, learn your class, watch a guide, dedication, worthy and unworthy, all of this makes me sick. Why don't we play the game and stop looking at the others ?

Why some people care so much if someone they don't even know and maybe will never see again in the game, gets a weapon better than the one they dedicated their blood on it? It happens every day, on every server, on every game, at every expansion.

How I have to feel when I see my epic gear, conquered with my blood in epic raids, has been surpassed by the first random green droppen casually on any new area of an expansion? It happens, always.

Now, a new BIS weapon appeared in game. People is IMHO questioning more the method of acquisition than the weapon itself, because that can be got even from the unworthy. Sacrilege! Profanation! That weapon MUST BE only for the high houses, not the commoners, some people screams.

Bad news, guys: that weapon is for everyone.

And, using the same words some high raiders uses to turn down the casuals, "dedication" and "effort", you still have to use dedication and effort to get the weapon. Farm that until you get it. Is it a lottery? Well, that is the BIS weapon, that's the trade off. If you are not for lotteries, you have alternatives for a granted weapon. Your choice. Your game.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Why this importance falls apart when were done things that helps more the commons than the high houses? BIS here, BIS that, learn your class, watch a guide, dedication, worthy and unworthy, all of this makes me sick. Why don't we play the game and stop looking at the others ?

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Cause you have to play with the others ?
You know the MMO thing.

If you're unhappy with playing with people feel free to take a trip trhough solo RPG :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Why this importance falls apart when were done things that helps more the commons than the high houses? BIS here, BIS that, learn your class,

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But its still bs , they could of provided a means for those whom didnt wana grind anima and where still working on tryin to raid. Instead they created nothing for this game and give out gear that no one needs, and a weapon hardly anyone will get just to make content relevant its very stupid in my opinion this ultimately didn't help anyone and it was just a way to get people to do this content.

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There are no alternatives because the 280 is BiS. It wouldn't have been an issue for me if it was 275, with perfect stats even. I feel like you have an irrational hatred for raiders. Some of them may be douchebags but there's also a lot of very helpful raiders that even help casual players get their clears. Why is this community so goddamn hateful towards each other and full of spite instead of working together and pointing out the issues at hand. I have played on both sides of the coin so I am as neutral as it gets regarding this matter. BiS loot should never be tied to rng mechanics. Period.

ITT: People beating a dead horse and crying over spilled milk

ITT: People that didn't read any of the valid points within and attmpted to be funny in unoriginal ways.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

ITT: People that didn't read any of the valid points within and attmpted to be funny in unoriginal ways.

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At this point it doesn't matter if the points are "validated" or not. This arguement has been spewed multiple times on the forum and it's getting to the point that people think it's ok to make a thread like this like its going to magically change things in game. This thread is basically "my past work isn't appreciated so I'm leaving waaaah." Honestly I say good riddance. People whined about diadem gear not being worth it. Now it's worth it....they are still whining. So goodbye to those "threatening" (I still highly doubt you actually will) to leave the game.

You missed the point of this entirely if you think it's merely about whining.

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Originally Posted by LuckiGoLucki

At this point it doesn't matter if the points are "validated" or not. This arguement has been spewed multiple times on the forum and it's getting to the point that people think it's ok to make a thread like this like its going to magically change things in game. This thread is basically "my past work isn't appreciated so I'm leaving waaaah." Honestly I say good riddance. People whined about diadem gear not being worth it. Now it's worth it....they are still whining. So goodbye to those "threatening" (I still highly doubt you actually will) to leave the game.

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Already left. My install of ESO completed last night. And no, I won't be back for SB. I don't appreciate having all the time and effort dropped into my anima rendered useless after nine days.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

You missed the point of this entirely if you think it's merely about whining.

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I didn't say it was about whining, my point is that certain people will never be satisfied with what SE or the Dev team makes for this game and if they are never satisified then I think it's best that these types of people should leave. They will not be missed.

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Originally Posted by Xerek

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Already left. My install of ESO completed last night. And no, I won't be back for SB. I don't appreciate having all the time and effort dropped into my anima rendered useless after nine days.

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While I understand you leaving but why still post on the forums to are is that just a matter of time as well

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Originally Posted by Xerek

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Already left. My install of ESO completed last night. And no, I won't be back for SB. I don't appreciate having all the time and effort dropped into my anima rendered useless after nine days.

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And you feel the need to inform the forums of your departure because....? My guess is you are seeking attention seeing as though you keep saying that you have left in other threads too. I don't know why you are participating in the forums if you aren't playing anymore. Seems redundant.

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Originally Posted by LuckiGoLucki

And you feel the need to inform the forums of your departure because....? My guess is you are seeking attention seeing as though you keep saying that you have left in other threads too. I don't know why you are participating in the forums if you aren't playing anymore. Seems redundant.

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Because speaking up is the only way to get things done. I still have friends that play, I loved the game until this BS. I am adding my voice to others so that maybe, just maybe, Yoshi-P will realize the damage he did. After his PAX comment I gave up hope on him fixing it, but maybe he'll learn from it.

His decision to do this is causing people to quit the game. Why is my saying as much such a problem? Why is my pointing out the severity such an issue? This was a bad decision with dire consequences. As far as posting the pic? That was in reply to someone above saying I wouldn't really quit.

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Because speaking up is the only way to get things done. I am adding my voice to others so that maybe, just maybe, Yoshi-P will realize the damage he did.
His decision to do this is causing people to quit the game. Why is my saying as much such a problem? This was a bad decision with dire consequences. As far as posting the pic? That was in reply to someone above saying I wouldn't really quit.

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Speaking up about your opinion and quitting because you don't like something are two very different things. As I said before quitting isn't going to make them change their mind especially since there are people who are super ok with this highly unobtainable and random weapon. My comment about those threatening to quit wasn't directed specifically at you, it was for everyone who thinks quitting is going to get them somewhere. It's your loss. The consequences on SE's end aren't nearly as dire as you think they are.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Yep, just leave if you are gonna cry about rare rng weapons with good stats just a couple months before a new expansion.

Too many whiny btch babies. Its a game lighten up.

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Originally Posted by Elany

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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How many times will you guys keep up these snarky replies, until there is no one left to leave? Disagreements or not you can't deny that the sub counts are going down over time due to people disagreeing on how content is presented. Their opinions are just as valid as yours.

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Originally Posted by Xerek

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Already left. My install of ESO completed last night. And no, I won't be back for SB. I don't appreciate having all the time and effort dropped into my anima rendered useless after nine days.

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ESO. thats funny.