Letter is up, go read it boys and girls

I'm pretty sure the story missions we have done so far are going to be wiped after 2.0.

Why would this content be done only once if you can do it after 2.0? Only things they are keeping are the primal battles and a couple other things from what I've read. The Echo might still be there, but the missions won't.
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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

I'm pretty sure the story missions we have done so far are going to be wiped after 2.0.

Why would this content be done only once if you can do it after 2.0? Only things they are keeping are the primal battles and a couple other things from what I've read. The Echo might still be there, but the missions won't.
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I'm sorry, but you've been provided with misinformation. The content we are talking about are the main storyline missions that you get from the Order of the Twelve and Ashcroft Consortium, etc. They never said we could only do it once, they said it will be available after 2.0 and they will build on it.

Think of it like a normal RPG from the PS1 era. The main storyline missions are like Disc 1. After 2.0 they will be adding Disc 2. They wouldn't try and sell you a copy of Final Fantasy VIII with the first disc missing! Of course we'll still be able to do the main storyline quests. Would you play a game of FFXI with all the expansion packs, but without the original content? (The Shadow Lord fight, etc.)

The Seventh Umbral Era quests (which include the Primal battles) WILL be getting erased. Have you fought Ifrit? The whole reason you fight him is because his actions are causing the destruction of the world. After 2.0 the destruction of the world HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, so you have no reason to fight him from a lore perspective.

When they announced "Exclusive story that will be gone after 2.0!" they were talking about the Primal Battles and the Grand Company quest-line. Just look at the 2.0 roadmap, it shows the "exclusive features" starting in patch 1.19. We all know the main story missions have been in the game since launch, not since 1.19 lol.

To bring this into my Final Fantasy VIII analogy: If the main storyline is Disc 1, and the story after 2.0 is Disc 2, the Seventh Umbral Era quests are kind of like the Chocobo's World mini-games. They are a part of the story, but it isn't the MAIN story, and they aren't available to everyone. (The Chocobo's World mini-games were only in the JP version of the game.)

Hope this helps explain some things.

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

I'm sorry, but you've been provided with misinformation. The content we are talking about are the main storyline missions that you get from the Order of the Twelve and Ashcroft Consortium, etc. They never said we could only do it once, they said it will be available after 2.0 and they will build on it.

Think of it like a normal RPG from the PS1 era. The main storyline missions are like Disc 1. After 2.0 they will be adding Disc 2. They wouldn't try and sell you a copy of Final Fantasy VIII with the first disc missing! Of course we'll still be able to do the main storyline quests. Would you play a game of FFXI with all the expansion packs, but without the original content? (The Shadow Lord fight, etc.)

The Seventh Umbral Era quests (which include the Primal battles) WILL be getting erased. Have you fought Ifrit? The whole reason you fight him is because his actions are causing the destruction of the world. After 2.0 the destruction of the world HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, so you have no reason to fight him from a lore perspective.

When they announced "Exclusive story that will be gone after 2.0!" they were talking about the Primal Battles and the Grand Company quest-line. Just look at the 2.0 roadmap, it shows the "exclusive features" starting in patch 1.19. We all know the main story missions have been in the game since launch, not since 1.19 lol.

To bring this into my Final Fantasy VIII analogy: If the main storyline is Disc 1, and the story after 2.0 is Disc 2, the Seventh Umbral Era quests are kind of like the Chocobo's World mini-games. They are a part of the story, but it isn't the MAIN story, and they aren't available to everyone. (The Chocobo's World mini-games were only in the JP version of the game.)

Hope this helps explain some things.

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Isn't the garlean empire a part of the whole reason with the Ifrit stuff? Please provide a link saying that it isn't and that it's not getting wiped.

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Isn't the garlean empire a part of the whole reason with the Ifrit stuff? Please provide a link saying that it isn't and that it's not getting wiped.

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Yes, the reason Ifrit is sapping the world energy is because he wants gain more strength to fight the Garlean Empire. Why? Because the Garlean Empire is SUMMONING METEOR on top of him. That's just more proof that the Primal Battles will NOT be in 2.0.

The main story missions, on the other hand, have NOTHING to do with Meteor. They have to do with the general war between the Empire and the Primals, which was going on BEFORE all this talk about Meteor and all evidence suggests the war will STILL be going on after 2.0.

Please explain how the story will continue for new players if they erase those starting missions?

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I'm sorry, but you've been provided with misinformation. The content we are talking about are the main storyline missions that you get from the Order of the Twelve and Ashcroft Consortium, etc. They never said we could only do it once, they said it will be available after 2.0 and they will build on it.

Think of it like a normal RPG from the PS1 era. The main storyline missions are like Disc 1. After 2.0 they will be adding Disc 2. They wouldn't try and sell you a copy of Final Fantasy VIII with the first disc missing! Of course we'll still be able to do the main storyline quests. Would you play a game of FFXI with all the expansion packs, but without the original content? (The Shadow Lord fight, etc.)

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I still have yet to see where they said it will remain.

A lot of the main scenario is based on current geography. Given that the maps are going to be completely designed the maps, they'd have to redo the whole scenario. Otherwise it'll take place in locations that don't exist anymore. Plus, the new map concepts show the empire occupying land on the same map as the Immortal Flames. The entire current main scenario would be a "no shit" moment when it deals with the Empire as a looming threat.

I made a thread about this a while back and one of the localization team members responded to say the current scenario and all it entails will come back as the world reacts to more current events.


(Tread carefully, spoilers ahead)

Here's my guess at the story line and how it will lead up to the map redesign and 2.0: The main scenario establishes that the Empire is here and wiling to use all it's power to get what it wants. The Seventh Umbral Era events show the Enpire is getting more aggressive and the Aether is becoming unstable. They'll tie together in 1.22 and 1.23 with the Empire and Legatus battles where we'll end with a severe cliff hanger. To start 2.0, the Empire will have caused the Aether to go completely unstable resulting in the drastic changes in the land with which we are so familiar.

I suggest anyone who thinks the main scenario and the Seventh Umbral Era events are separate to go back and read the full dialog for the quest Ceruleum Shock. It ties the two together. Where the main scenario ends with us seeing first hand that the Empire has taken a significant interest in Mor Dhona, the SUE events are explaining that there is more to it than just the dragon and the ship.

That's why it'd be silly to have the current main scenario in 2.0, it's part of SUE even if not originally intended that way.

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Seems like people will cry about everything in these forums, after reading a comment in the Zelda forums how this guy would not buy the game cause link is right handed made me facepalm and realize that most ppl on the net = fail.

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I still have yet to see where they said it will remain.

A lot of the main scenario is based on current geography. Given that the maps are going to be completely designed the maps, they'd have to redo the whole scenario. Otherwise it'll take place in locations that don't exist anymore. Plus, the new map concepts show the empire occupying land on the same map as the Immortal Flames. The entire current main scenario would be a "no shit" moment when it deals with the Empire as a looming threat.

I made a thread about this a while back and one of the localization team members responded to say the current scenario and all it entails will come back as the world reacts to more current events.


(Tread carefully, spoilers ahead)

Here's my guess at the story line and how it will lead up to the map redesign and 2.0: The main scenario establishes that the Empire is here and wiling to use all it's power to get what it wants. The Seventh Umbral Era events show the Enpire is getting more aggressive and the Aether is becoming unstable. They'll tie together in 1.22 and 1.23 with the Empire and Legatus battles where we'll end with a severe cliff hanger. To start 2.0, the Empire will have caused the Aether to go completely unstable resulting in the drastic changes in the land with which we are so familiar.

I suggest anyone who thinks the main scenario and the Seventh Umbral Era events are separate to go back and read the full dialog for the quest Ceruleum Shock. It ties the two together. Where the main scenario ends with us seeing first hand that the Empire has taken a significant interest in Mor Dhona, the SUE events are explaining that there is more to it than just the dragon and the ship.

That's why it'd be silly to have the current main scenario in 2.0, it's part of SUE even if not originally intended that way.

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Well I have no proof of this because I don't spend time searching for interviews that I've read previously, but they've stated the cutscenes are being redone anyway. They have to be do jive with the new engine. So of course they could easily change the backgrounds to fit the new geography. They've also talked about adding more voice overs in certain areas.

My point is, that the STORY of these original missions, are not being taken out of the game. They'll probably re-do the cutscenes, but the missions will still be there. Because it has to be.

A new player can't just start a game up, click on the first mission, and then be treated with Nael van Baalsar saying "So we meet again!" It doesn't make sense.

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Well I have no proof of this because I don't spend time searching for interviews that I've read previously, but they've stated the cutscenes are being redone anyway. They have to be do jive with the new engine. So of course they could easily change the backgrounds to fit the new geography. They've also talked about adding more voice overs in certain areas.

My point is, that the STORY of these original missions, are not being taken out of the game. They'll probably re-do the cutscenes, but the missions will still be there. Because it has to be.F

A new player can't just start a game up, click on the first mission, and then be treated with Nael van Baalsar saying "So we meet again!" It doesn't make sense.

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I think this has just been a matter of miscommunication.

No one is trying to say the story will be wiped away, only the quests. After 2.0, players still will be able to learn about the 1.x events as the new main scenario will be the aftermath but the quests themselves will be gone.

Nope, I still kind of disagree. The quests will be changed, of that there is no doubt. But I still believe the quests will be there.

The meteor stuff is largely inconsequintial, and can be told as a "this happened before you started playing" kind of thing by an npc.

The main storyline is just too integral to what will happen to not let new players experience it. How would you feel if you popped in Final Fantasy VII and they just summarized all the events of the first disk and told you to go from there? You would never have even met Aerith!

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Nope, I still kind of disagree. The quests will be changed, of that there is no doubt. But I still believe the quests will be there.

The meteor stuff is largely inconsequintial, and can be told as a "this happened before you started playing" kind of thing by an npc.

The main storyline is just too integral to what will happen to not let new players experience it. How would you feel if you popped in Final Fantasy VII and they just summarized all the events of the first disk and told you to go from there? You would never have even met Aerith!

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There are too many reasons to get rid of them. Chief among them, aside from story continuity purposes, is that Yoshida wants to break away from the old design of any class doing the missions and make it for battle only.

It'd be awkward to have several missions, an NPC summary of a year's worth of updates for the SUE events, then the 2.0 quests.

The main scenario is part of the SUE events. There's no reason for them to exist in 2.0 if the whole purpose of 1.x is to be a one time experience. There always is back story, and that's the what we're seeing now.

Think of it more like XI. What we're experiencing now is comparable to the events leading up to the Battle of Tavnazia we see in the opening cinematic. So when 2.0 drops, everything in the current main scenario will just be the back story to the 2.0 main scenario. Current players will have experienced it first had while new players will have the story filled in as things move forward, just like we all did in XI after starting our adventure having seen Tavnazia destroyed.

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There are too many reasons to get rid of them. Chief among them, aside from story continuity purposes, is that Yoshida wants to break away from the old design of any class doing the missions and make it for battle only.

It'd be awkward to have several missions, an NPC summary of a year's worth of updates for the SUE events, then the 2.0 quests.

The main scenario is part of the SUE events. There's no reason for them to exist in 2.0 if the whole purpose of 1.x is to be a one time experience. There always is back story, and that's the what we're seeing now.

Think of it more like XI. What we're experiencing now is comparable to the events leading up to the Battle of Tavnazia we see in the opening cinematic. So when 2.0 drops, everything in the current main scenario will just be the back story to the 2.0 main scenario. Current players will have experienced it first had while new players will have the story filled in as things move forward, just like we all did in XI after starting our adventure having seen Tavnazia destroyed.

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I keep saying the SUE events are NOT related to the main story, I just don't see this. Maybe they will re-do the missions themselves to make them harder, i'm not sure. But I just have a gut feeling that the story will be playable in some form.

My main idea behind this is that they've already stated that in 2.0 they will be continuing on the story from the r46 story mission. They won't be continuing the story for the SUE because there is no reason to, the meteor already hit, it's complete.

If someone asks "hey why is the world all torn up" people can say oh, a meteor hit before you got here. No inherent story flaws, we don't HAVE to be a part of that story.

But if someone asks "Hey why do all these tattood people act like we've already met and why does the big bad guy act like I've already fought him" well then there is just no way to tell that. Our involvement is integral to the continuation of the story because it is being continued.

Do you really want new players to start a new game and have the opening speech be: "After you fought Nael van Baelsar and witnessed the massacre of the resistance..." etc. It just doesn't make sense to me to start the game like that.

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I concur 100%, altough we can't deny that clearly FFXIV wasn't particularly close to what you'd define a "standard quality levels" for a MMO released in 2010, no?

Tbh FFXIV might have had issues in that field even in 2002 (aside from the awesome graphics, of course) so I guess we can easily understand people like why people like Quisi are still somehow bitter about it all.

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Thing is SE said they wouldn't make us pay until the game was at release standards, can you honestly say that with 1.20 the game wouldn't at least be at release standards? I think it will be and at that point they will charge us because it wont be at beta standards.

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I keep saying the SUE events are NOT related to the main story, I just don't see this. Maybe they will re-do the missions themselves to make them harder, i'm not sure. But I just have a gut feeling that the story will be playable in some form.

My main idea behind this is that they've already stated that in 2.0 they will be continuing on the story from the r46 story mission. They won't be continuing the story for the SUE because there is no reason to, the meteor already hit, it's complete.

If someone asks "hey why is the world all torn up" people can say oh, a meteor hit before you got here. No inherent story flaws, we don't HAVE to be a part of that story.

But if someone asks "Hey why do all these tattood people act like we've already met and why does the big bad guy act like I've already fought him" well then there is just no way to tell that. Our involvement is integral to the continuation of the story because it is being continued.

Do you really want new players to start a new game and have the opening speech be: "After you fought Nael van Baelsar and witnessed the massacre of the resistance..." etc. It just doesn't make sense to me to start the game like that.

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This can easily be part of the new character opening sequence. Any new character made post 2.0 would be introduced to the "tattooed people" through the cutscene summarizing 1.XX characters and events, being hurled into the 2.0 story.

The story of the post 2.0 characters would start out differently than 1.XX characters but after 5-6 beginning quests (Enough to level up) they would arrive at the same place as us.

The old story and missions will be removed. Play now if you want to see it.

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This can easily be part of the new character opening sequence. Any new character made post 2.0 would be introduced to the "tattooed people" through the cutscene summarizing 1.XX characters and events, being hurled into the 2.0 story.

The story of the post 2.0 characters would start out differently than 1.XX characters but after 5-6 beginning quests (Enough to level up) they would arrive at the same place as us.

The old story and missions will be removed. Play now if you want to see it.

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It's possible, but I don't like that idea and I don't believe it will happen. That would give the new players exlusive new beginning quests that i wouldn't be able to experience since they would be meeting these characters differently than me. I don't like that at all lol. And it could create a whole plethora of problems in the future. What if a quest refers back to a quest that you haven't done, because you played the 1.XX version? It could create story inconsistincies.

I believe SE would go the simplets route. That is: If you started before or after 2.0, it doesn't matter. You are still playing the same story (excluding the SUE side-story of course.)

Re: Storyline:

Yes, everything regarding the 7th U Era is a one time deal only, which the main storyline also ties into in ways, so yes the current storyline will be a "one time thing only", but this is because they're redoing certain aspects and adding new side quests (in better quality) so what we have now is indeed one time only, but the same general concept may stay the same but Yoshida stated only concurrent players will be able to witness an exclusive storyline but they also are going to redo the main one because it was originally designed to allow even crafters/gathers to do it.

Once again. take away the SUE quest lines. Just take em out of the game. How does that effect the original quest line? Not at all. Ergo, they are not that connected.

Dangit I really just need to go find that interview. I am 99% sure it's already been stated the original quest line is NOT getting erased, just the SUE events.

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Once again. take away the SUE quest lines. Just take em out of the game. How does that effect the original quest line? Not at all. Ergo, they are not that connected.

Dangit I really just need to go find that interview. I am 99% sure it's already been stated the original quest line is NOT getting erased, just the SUE events.

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No, but they did state they're redoing it mostly because of complaints about it's playability. The one time only is the U Era storyline, but given that it does have ties to the main storyline, and they are addressing concerns with it -- It will be different from what we have now, which is what some likely mean by one time only with the main storyline, because nearing 2.0 it won't be the same, it'll either be better or worse (depending on what they do with balancing and the whole route a/b thing.) So unless you're playing now, you technically won't get to experience this storyline down the road, because it'll be different not merely through expansion, but gameplay wise.

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Right now, we’re concentrating on making more side story quests, as well as the 7th Umbral era content—all of this new story that is happening in the lead up to the world change in 2.0. Seeing that story that’s leading up to those changes—we believe that right now, that’s our main focus. We want players to play this event as something they’ll only be able to experience now. Once that is finished, we’ll go back to those old quests and fill them out, making sure they become more important.

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So yeah, judging by this, if they want the old quests to be "filled out, and more important" why would they delete them? The SUE events are getting deleted because once its done, it probably won't be talked about much anymore. The original quests on the other hand, are the main plot of the game. They are not going to just relegate them to an NPC speech or delete them entirely.

I'm not saying they will be exactly the same quests, because obviously they will have to be changed because of the geography difference. I'm merely trying to say that the story will be mostly the same, and it will be playable. This is what I believe.

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So yeah, judging by this, if they want the old quests to be "filled out, and more important" why would they delete them? The SUE events are getting deleted because once its done, it probably won't be talked about much anymore. The original quests on the other hand, are the main plot of the game. They are not going to just relegate them to an NPC speech or delete them entirely.

I'm not saying they will be exactly the same quests, because obviously they will have to be changed because of the geography difference. I'm merely trying to say that the story will be mostly the same, and it will be playable. This is what I believe.

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So you'd be upset if they gave new quests to new players, but not if they gave them "filled out, more important" quests? Bottom line is they won't be the same, and there is no guarantee current players will get to do them. What is important to you? That there are the same number of quests, they unlock at the same level and they contain the same things or have the same names?

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That would give the new players exlusive new beginning quests that i wouldn't be able to experience since they would be meeting these characters differently than me. I don't like that at all lol.

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Well then you may need to make a new character to experience it, just like any future player would have to make a character now to experience current events.

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And it could create a whole plethora of problems in the future. What if a quest refers back to a quest that you haven't done, because you played the 1.XX version? It could create story inconsistincies.

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I am sure SE will be careful about being consistent as possible. They won't refer to events that haven't happened to both sets of players, and they will have the story lines merge to a unified story.

The quests are changing. Everything about them could change. They could be be condensed into 2-3 quests and added on to or expanded to have more quests. (Personally I thought the gap between quests was far too long)

Parts of the quests (or entire quests) may be removed if they refer to things that are no longer relevant after the world assplodes. The story line as we knew it will not be the same. I'm not saying people won't arrive in Limsa on a boat, but they don't have to, and that's ok.

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Yes, the reason Ifrit is sapping the world energy is because he wants gain more strength to fight the Garlean Empire. Why? Because the Garlean Empire is SUMMONING METEOR on top of him. That's just more proof that the Primal Battles will NOT be in 2.0.

The main story missions, on the other hand, have NOTHING to do with Meteor. They have to do with the general war between the Empire and the Primals, which was going on BEFORE all this talk about Meteor and all evidence suggests the war will STILL be going on after 2.0.

Please explain how the story will continue for new players if they erase those starting missions?

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Um weren't they summoning Ifrit in the main story scenario? Please explain that and how it will continue

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So you'd be upset if they gave new quests to new players, but not if they gave them "filled out, more important" quests? Bottom line is they won't be the same, and there is no guarantee current players will get to do them. What is important to you? That there are the same number of quests, they unlock at the same level and they contain the same things or have the same names?

Names or all that garbage you are mentioning are not important. What is important is that the same over-all story happens to both old and new users. Which is what I believe will happen. When 2.0 launches the new quests will be changed yes, but it will be the same story. I don't want none of this "different story that converges" crap, I had enough of it already when I had to start three different characters to get the story missions from each city. Its dumb.


Well then you may need to make a new character to experience it, just like any future player would have to make a character now to experience current events.

The difference being that the exclusive stuff we get is a REWARD. Why should the new players be rewarded for not buying the game until 2.0?

I am sure SE will be careful about being consistent as possible. They won't refer to events that haven't happened to both sets of players, and they will have the story lines merge to a unified story.

Like I said, it's possible. But its also stupid and unnecessary. I believe SE will go the simplest route with this.

The quests are changing. Everything about them could change. They could be be condensed into 2-3 quests and added on to or expanded to have more quests. (Personally I thought the gap between quests was far too long)

Once again, I'm ok with this, as long as the over-all story of events remains the same. What I am against (and what people in this thread are trying to argue for) is that the storyline would just be outright deleted or relegated to an opening cutscene telling you what your character did before you started playing it. That's not right.

Parts of the quests (or entire quests) may be removed if they refer to things that are no longer relevant after the world assplodes. The story line as we knew it will not be the same. I'm not saying people won't arrive in Limsa on a boat, but they don't have to, and that's ok.

That's my entire point. The SUE quests will be removed because they refer to things that are no long relevant after the meteor-fall. The original quests were created BEFORE the game ever came up with Meteor, they don't refer to Meteor or the SUE at all, and will be EXTREMELY relevant because they will be continued on. There is no reason story-wise to take out the starting missions, why would they?

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Um weren't they summoning Ifrit in the main story scenario? Please explain that and how it will continue

You do realize Ifrit isn't dead after we defeat him, right? If that mission was kept exactly the same, the only difference being the landscape would show New Thanalan instead of Old Thanalan, it would be the exact same mission. Beast tribes fight, Ifrit is summoned, end of story. Where is the contradiction?

Ifrit, and ALL the primals, will still be alive and a part of the story after the fall of Meteor. The Apocalypse does not kill the Primals, and the Garlean War will continue. With a free company, we can even summon them. Yoshida even referenced the SUE quest-line and called it an "extended seasonal-event" so it's obviously not important in the grand scheme of the games plot. It's merely a means to change the landscape.

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I wish we could get a dev in here or something to prove me right or wrong.

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Once again. take away the SUE quest lines. Just take em out of the game. How does that effect the original quest line? Not at all. Ergo, they are not that connected.

Dangit I really just need to go find that interview. I am 99% sure it's already been stated the original quest line is NOT getting erased, just the SUE events.

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It seems you're thinking of these two things not only as separate stories, but also as happening at different times.

These stories intertwine and are part of one larger narrative.


Once again, spoilers ahead

NOTE: I used GamerEscape's Wiki to refresh myself on quests I did a long time ago.


Starting off

The initial few main scenario quests introduce game mechanics, special city-state functional NPCs, and unique story-line NPCs. This all leads up to our first encounter with "the Echo." Which leads to the first unified quest.

Level 18

Fade to White

We meet Melfina, learn more about our gift, become a Walker on the Path of the Twelve and select our Path Companion.

Level 22

Together We Stand

A main scenario quest, this is where we are fist introduced to the Imperial threat. Sylphs arrive at the Waking Sands and plea for help. The Empire has taken a specific interest in the Sylphs and are trying to destroy them and their podlings.

Melfina tasks you with aiding the Sylphs in protecting their podlings.

It's in this quest that we first hear mention of the Primals.

Grand Company introductions

The Empire rears its head on other fronts. To kick off our introduction into the Grand Companies, through a series of quests we learn that the Empire is planting roots around all three city-states and is actively trying to stifle their means to communicate and arm themselves.

We also see some familiar faces from earlier in the main scenario who recognize us as well as a shady figure seen around camps starting around the Easter event.

Level 25

Grand Companies continue

Another series of GC quests. This time they start with a brief quest then a speech by the GC leader attempting to unify their city-state as well as making a case for allowing adventurers into their ranks.

These quests move on to unique quests where Cid explains that the Empire has taken a special interest in Mor Dhona, and more specifically the area known as Silvertear Falls. Also, he explains his theory that the lesser moon Dalamund is having an affect on the flow of Aether -- especially around Silvertear Falls.

This series concludes with the player pledging allegiance to a sole Grand Company.

Imperial Devices

Also a Grand Company quest. Foul beasts have been gathering around a place known as The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak in The Black Shroud. The player is tasked with investigating the occurrence.

Inside Toto-Rak, a Moogle gives the player several items, including a Magitek Cooling Plate and tells the player that Garleans have been investigating the area as well.

Level 30

Toll of the Warden

A main scenario quest, the Sylphs are in a tizzy again. The Amalj'aa and Ixali are at odds and are likely to summon their respective Primals. It's up to the player -- or as the Sylphs say, the Woken ones -- to use their gift and speak to the Beats tribes lest they unleash a devastating power.

With the recent emergence of these Primals, the beast tribes have become unwilling to trade crystals with the five races as they have in the past.

Negotiations end abruptly due to the emergence of a creature known as the Ascian.

It Kills with Fire

We've been tasked with vanquishing the primal known as Ifrit!

First we must meet with an Elezen by the name of Louisoix from a group known as the Circle of Knowing. As a throw back to Cid's explaination that all is not well with the flow of the Aether, Louisoix explains that to exist in our realm, the primals draw on the Aether.

As such, they must be defeated before they drain the crystals completely. Otherwise the world will become a wasteland.

Louisoix sends you on a brief quest and through your efforts is able to create an item that will allow you access to Ifrit's sanctuary, the Bowl of Embers.

Upon achieving victory over the primal, the player is greeted by Legatus Nael van Darnus of the Vilth Imperial Legion. He gives a message mentioning the "Crimson Star," -- which, in theory, is the red moon Dalamund Cid spoke of earlier.

Upon returning to Louisoix, the player learns that not only did they not best Ifrit permanently, but the attack by the Imperial likely fed the Lord of Inferno enough Aetheryical power to significantly enhance his strength.

Level 34

Forever Taken

Back to the main scenario, it is believed you can bribe the Ixali into reopening the lines of trade.

The Sylphs have requested that the player gather unaspected crystal. The player travels to Silvertear Falls and buries crystals in the soil there. After a short time, the player obtains the now unaspected crystals.

Meanwhile, the Path of the Twelve obtained a linkpearl the Empire has been using to spread propaganda, stating that the beast tribes intend to use the "eikons" (derogative for Primals). The Sylphs explain that it was a being know as the Paragon who taught the beastmen to summon the Primals from the Aether.

Level 38

Lord Errant

The player and their path companion set out on their own, the Path Companion certain they can reason with the beast tribes.

Things, naturally, don't go as planned and the player is again face-to-face with the Lord of the Inferno.

Ifrit eventually speaks to the player. Albeit cryptically, Ifrit does mention that the Paragon told him that the "godless blessed" should be spared. Hinting at why the player and company were able to overcome the Primal in the GC quest, but why he also saved them from the Legatus' attack.

Level 42

Of Men they Sing

A brief mission, the player and their Path Companion save several Ala Mihgan resistance fighters from an Imperial Assault in the Black Shroud.

Level 45

The player is tasked by the Grand Company to investigate the Dzemael Darkhold and to discover why the Empire has chosen this as their base.

You discover a Magitek Dousing rod, which can be used to track down crystals. It is believed that the Empire is searching for Crystalized Aether to aid in summoning a primal.

Level 46

Futures Perfect

The Ala Mihgan resistance members you saved have spoken with Melfina. They want to steal an Imperial Airship.

Your strong-headed Path Companion and the Resistance members have rushed off to, where else, Silvertear Falls in Mor Dhona to attempt to commandeer an Imperial ship despite the warnings made by Melfina of failed past attempts.

After an encounter with Imperial soldiers, you find that the Resistance has been slain by a lone member of the Empire, The Black Wolf Gaius van Baelsar Legatus of the XIVth Legion.

Your friends from early on in the main scenario and GC quests show up to defend you against the power of the Legatus. However, the Legatus shows off the awesome power of the Empire and makes short work of everyone.

The last thing we know of the story is our friend from our very first few steps in Eorzea that we are not yet ready to fight the Empire.

Conclusion

The Grand Company quests and the Seventh Umbral Era events are filling in story so that all story content now can drive toward the cataclysm that creates 2.0.

As can be seen in the above listing, while the SUE events just now are being added, they're intended to have taken place in tandem with the main scenario events. Both quest lines revolve around the Empire's interest in the Aetherial power around Silvertear Falls and their desire to control the power of the primals while attempting to convince the people of Eorzea that the primals are evil and should be destroyed.

I believe as we move forward, new quests will take off from Futures Perfect.

There still are many loose threads. What is the Paragon? What is the Ascian? How close is the Empire to summoning a primal, and how can they actually do it? What is the truth to the primals -- are they good or bad? Do primals really drain the Aether or is this more Garlean propoganda -- thus covering for their own misdoings?

To the original point, it is quite obvious that SE has crafted the SUE events to use the main scenario as part of what has been going on.

I think moving forward we'll see these move into one storyline, which will make more sense that when 2.0 comes, all the quests will be wiped.

As I said before, the story still will be there, but to new players these will just be backstory. As for how characters interact with us in 2.0, I'm sure SE will come up with something. Despite all their recent faults, one thing SE seems to never get wrong is continuity.

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There is no meteor.

From what I got with all the one time only content, they are talking about all content story wise. Because isn't all this content and story we have now leading up to the change in Eorzea? I could've sworn that 2.0 is a completely different story

Wow this is gonna take a bit.

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It seems you're thinking of these two things not only as separate stories, but also as happening at different times.

These stories intertwine and are part of one larger narrative.

I'm commenting on your post as I read it, so maybe I'll eat my words, but I'll say this. Prove it. The story works just as easily as all the SUE events occurring after the r46 mission. This is how I did them and it is how they were released, why wouldn't this be how they are?


Once again, spoilers ahead

NOTE: I used GamerEscape's Wiki to refresh myself on quests I did a long time ago.


Starting off

The initial few main scenario quests introduce game mechanics, special city-state functional NPCs, and unique story-line NPCs. This all leads up to our first encounter with "the Echo." Which leads to the first unified quest.

Level 18

Fade to White

We meet Melfina, learn more about our gift, become a Walker on the Path of the Twelve and select our Path Companion.

Level 22

Together We Stand

A main scenario quest, this is where we are fist introduced to the Imperial threat. Sylphs arrive at the Waking Sands and plea for help. The Empire has taken a specific interest in the Sylphs and are trying to destroy them and their podlings.

Melfina tasks you with aiding the Sylphs in protecting their podlings.

It's in this quest that we first hear mention of the Primals.

Grand Company introductions

The Empire rears its head on other fronts. To kick off our introduction into the Grand Companies, through a series of quests we learn that the Empire is planting roots around all three city-states and is actively trying to stifle their means to communicate and arm themselves.

We also see some familiar faces from earlier in the main scenario who recognize us as well as a shady figure seen around camps starting around the Easter event.

OK, so far nothing that couldn't have taken place after the r46 mission. moving along.

Level 25

Grand Companies continue

Another series of GC quests. This time they start with a brief quest then a speech by the GC leader attempting to unify their city-state as well as making a case for allowing adventurers into their ranks.

These quests move on to unique quests where Cid explains that the Empire has taken a special interest in Mor Dhona, and more specifically the area known as Silvertear Falls. Also, he explains his theory that the lesser moon Dalamund is having an affect on the flow of Aether -- especially around Silvertear Falls.

Just a quick comment, the Empire didn't take a "special interest" in Silvertear Falls recently. They've had a base their since the fall of the Garlean airship fifteen years before the game started.

This series concludes with the player pledging allegiance to a sole Grand Company.

Imperial Devices

Also a Grand Company quest. Foul beasts have been gathering around a place known as The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak in The Black Shroud. The player is tasked with investigating the occurrence.

Inside Toto-Rak, a Moogle gives the player several items, including a Magitek Cooling Plate and tells the player that Garleans have been investigating the area as well.

Level 30

Toll of the Warden

A main scenario quest, the Sylphs are in a tizzy again. The Amalj'aa and Ixali are at odds and are likely to summon their respective Primals. It's up to the player -- or as the Sylphs say, the Woken ones -- to use their gift and speak to the Beats tribes lest they unleash a devastating power.

With the recent emergence of these Primals, the beast tribes have become unwilling to trade crystals with the five races as they have in the past.

Negotiations end abruptly due to the emergence of a creature known as the Ascian.

Now you can't tell me this wouldn't fit better immediately after the last original mission. The Sylphs waited that long to ask for help?

It Kills with Fire

We've been tasked with vanquishing the primal known as Ifrit!

First we must meet with an Elezen by the name of Louisoix from a group known as the Circle of Knowing. As a throw back to Cid's explaination that all is not well with the flow of the Aether, Louisoix explains that to exist in our realm, the primals draw on the Aether.

As such, they must be defeated before they drain the crystals completely. Otherwise the world will become a wasteland.

Louisoix sends you on a brief quest and through your efforts is able to create an item that will allow you access to Ifrit's sanctuary, the Bowl of Embers.

Upon achieving victory over the primal, the player is greeted by Legatus Nael van Darnus of the Vilth Imperial Legion. He gives a message mentioning the "Crimson Star," -- which, in theory, is the red moon Dalamund Cid spoke of earlier.

Upon returning to Louisoix, the player learns that not only did they not best Ifrit permanently, but the attack by the Imperial likely fed the Lord of Inferno enough Aetheryical power to significantly enhance his strength.

It could just as easily taken Ifrit a good amount of time to build up his power to that level after being summoned. There is nothing that states this has to come right after the main story mission summoning Ifrit.

Level 34

Forever Taken

Back to the main scenario, it is believed you can bribe the Ixali into reopening the lines of trade.

The Sylphs have requested that the player gather unaspected crystal. The player travels to Silvertear Falls and buries crystals in the soil there. After a short time, the player obtains the now unaspected crystals.

Meanwhile, the Path of the Twelve obtained a linkpearl the Empire has been using to spread propaganda, stating that the beast tribes intend to use the "eikons" (derogative for Primals). The Sylphs explain that it was a being know as the Paragon who taught the beastmen to summon the Primals from the Aether.

This is in direct contradiction to your theory. If the Grand Companies had already had several skirmishes with the Empire, why would the general populace believe Garlean propoganda? This mission obviously takes place BEFORE the Grand Companies exist back when the Garleans hadn't made their presence too obvious.

Level 38

Lord Errant

The player and their path companion set out on their own, the Path Companion certain they can reason with the beast tribes.

Things, naturally, don't go as planned and the player is again face-to-face with the Lord of the Inferno.

Ifrit eventually speaks to the player. Albeit cryptically, Ifrit does mention that the Paragon told him that the "godless blessed" should be spared. Hinting at why the player and company were able to overcome the Primal in the GC quest, but why he also saved them from the Legatus' attack.

Another contradiction. If we had already fought him, why in hell would we think we could reason with him? He would still save us if the first Ifrit battle occured after this, and plus he seemed quite guarded in that cutscene. Much like a "we mind each others business" kind of attitude. It wasn't until the Garleans starting progressing their plans (after the r46 mission) that he went on the offensive.

Level 42

Of Men they Sing

A brief mission, the player and their Path Companion save several Ala Mihgan resistance fighters from an Imperial Assault in the Black Shroud.

Level 45

The player is tasked by the Grand Company to investigate the Dzemael Darkhold and to discover why the Empire has chosen this as their base.

You discover a Magitek Dousing rod, which can be used to track down crystals. It is believed that the Empire is searching for Crystalized Aether to aid in summoning a primal.

Not a contradiction per se, but just like the two sylph missions, doesn't the story make much more sense with the two Ala Mihgan Resistance missions occurying one after another? So they ask for help, and we just decide to ignore them until the whole Darkhold business is done with?

Level 46

Futures Perfect

The Ala Mihgan resistance members you saved have spoken with Melfina. They want to steal an Imperial Airship.

Your strong-headed Path Companion and the Resistance members have rushed off to, where else, Silvertear Falls in Mor Dhona to attempt to commandeer an Imperial ship despite the warnings made by Melfina of failed past attempts.

After an encounter with Imperial soldiers, you find that the Resistance has been slain by a lone member of the Empire, The Black Wolf Gaius van Baelsar Legatus of the XIVth Legion.

Your friends from early on in the main scenario and GC quests show up to defend you against the power of the Legatus. However, the Legatus shows off the awesome power of the Empire and makes short work of everyone.

The last thing we know of the story is our friend from our very first few steps in Eorzea that we are not yet ready to fight the Empire.

I don't think we "know them from the GC quests" just yet, seeing as we don't say a word to any of them and kind of shy away from all except the one we DO know from the starting quests...but go on.

Conclusion

One thing you forgot to mention is when you go and witness the GC speeches from the three leaders, you meet and talk with the all the members of the Circle of Knowing, even the ones that (by your theory) you haven't even met yet. If you had never seen them before now and they came up to you to speak about private events, wouldn't there be an explanation for that?

The Grand Company quests and the Seventh Umbral Era events are filling in story so that all story content now can drive toward the cataclysm that creates 2.0.

A semi-valid theory, but one I disagree with. Neither of our views can really be proven, but yours seems to have quite a few more holes than mine.

As can be seen in the above listing, while the SUE events just now are being added, they're intended to have taken place in tandem with the main scenario events. Both quest lines revolve around the Empire's interest in the Aetherial power around Silvertear Falls and their desire to control the power of the primals while attempting to convince the people of Eorzea that the primals are evil and should be destroyed.

But that is the main plot of the game. After 2.0 it will involve the same war, and all the SUE events will be gone. I still stand by my view that the SUE events are simply a side-story that is not important to the plot other than showing why the geography changed, and that the chronological order of events is "Orignal Quests, SUE side-story, 2.0 Quests"

I believe as we move forward, new quests will take off from Futures Perfect.

Well yes, that is confirmed, but after 2.0 when the whole SUE thing is no longer relevant.

There still are many loose threads. What is the Paragon? What is the Ascian? How close is the Empire to summoning a primal, and how can they actually do it? What is the truth to the primals -- are they good or bad? Do primals really drain the Aether or is this more Garlean propoganda -- thus covering for their own misdoings?

All good questions that will be answered eventually (except the last one.) We learn that the Primals sap Aether from the Circle of Knowing, not from the Garlean Empire. The Circle of Knowing is from Sharlayan and are aginst the Empire, so I doubt they would fall prey to propoganda.

To the original point, it is quite obvious that SE has crafted the SUE events to use the main scenario as part of what has been going on.

To you. It is quite obvious to me that it makes more sense when presented in the order the missions were released.

I think moving forward we'll see these move into one storyline, which will make more sense that when 2.0 comes, all the quests will be wiped.

They've already said the main storyline is currently on-hold, so it doesn't "build up toward 2.0" it's over until after 2.0 hits. And if all the quests are wiped, what is their to continue from? I still hold that the only quests that will be wiped are the new SUE quests that will no longer be relevant post 2.0.

As I said before, the story still will be there, but to new players these will just be backstory. As for how characters interact with us in 2.0, I'm sure SE will come up with something. Despite all their recent faults, one thing SE seems to never get wrong is continuity.

I agree with you, SE will probably think of something. But I don't like the idea of new players entering into the storyline with a bunch of important stuff already happening. I was ok with it for the SUE quests, because as I said before, they aren't that important to the over-all game plot.

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There is no meteor.

Cid mentions it directly during the GC quests. Only it's not an actual meteor, that's why it's capitalized. It's the spell Meteor. The Garleans are casting it in order to bring Dalamud down and crush Eorzea and all the Primals with them. Although whether that plan gets realized is still up in the air.

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From what I got with all the one time only content, they are talking about all content story wise. Because isn't all this content and story we have now leading up to the change in Eorzea? I could've sworn that 2.0 is a completely different story

Wrong. The story of 2.0 is a continuation of the one we are playing. If it was a whole new game, why bother with all the build up around the SUE?

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There is no meteor.

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Yeah, it's a moon, and no link and song of inverted time to save you this go around. :o

But, Cid said Meteor. >_>

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Because it explains why the map and shit changes? I don't get why the one time content wouldn't be the story. It's a different game

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I'm commenting on your post as I read it, so maybe I'll eat my words, but I'll say this. Prove it. The story works just as easily as all the SUE events occurring after the r46 mission. This is how I did them and it is how they were released, why wouldn't this be how they are?

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I'm going by the levels SE allows the quests to be done. As this is our true indicator at SE's intended sequence. When they're released has no bearing on when they take place in the game world.

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Just a quick comment, the Empire didn't take a "special interest" in Silvertear Falls recently. They've had a base their since the fall of the Garlean airship fifteen years before the game started.

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Time is relative, I suppose. Doesn't change the fact that both storylines revolve around the Empire interested in one specific part of Eorzea while the rest of their campaign seems to be a ruse.

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Now you can't tell me this wouldn't fit better immediately after the last original mission. The Sylphs waited that long to ask for help?

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Toll of the Warden is a main scenario quest. It' can't go after the level 46 mission because the level 46 also is a main scenario quest.

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It could just as easily taken Ifrit a good amount of time to build up his power to that level after being summoned. There is nothing that states this has to come right after the main story mission summoning Ifrit.

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Accept it fits into the sequence. We fight Ifrit, then he explains in a cryptic way that he was told to hold back, then we fight him in his stronger form.

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Another contradiction. If we had already fought him, why in hell would we think we could reason with him? He would still save us if the first Ifrit battle occured after this, and plus he seemed quite guarded in that cutscene. Much like a "we mind each others business" kind of attitude. It wasn't until the Garleans starting progressing their plans (after the r46 mission) that he went on the offensive.

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Not a contradiction at all. The GCs ask us to go on a quest to defeat Ifrit. Then our Path Companion wants to try and reason the Beast tribes, not Ifrit. The Amalj'aa summon Ifrit to judge their prisoners. It just so hoppens that we and our Path Companions are unique among the other prisoners, which is why he speaks to us.

Ifrit was never on the offensive. We were. We attacked him in It Kills With Fire. We went to the Amalj'aa in Lord Errant.

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Not a contradiction per se, but just like the two sylph missions, doesn't the story make much more sense with the two Ala Mihgan Resistance missions occurying one after another? So they ask for help, and we just decide to ignore them until the whole Darkhold business is done with?

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Of Men They Sing and Futures Perfect are separated by the required level. At the end of Of Men They Sing we were scolded for acting on our own and told that the Ala Mihgans were talking to Melfina and we would be called if needed.

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I don't think we "know them from the GC quests" just yet, seeing as we don't say a word to any of them and kind of shy away from all except the one we DO know from the starting quests...but go on.

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We do, at level 22 if you take the time to do all available quests you meet them all.

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One thing you forgot to mention is when you go and witness the GC speeches from the three leaders, you meet and talk with the all the members of the Circle of Knowing, even the ones that (by your theory) you haven't even met yet. If you had never seen them before now and they came up to you to speak about private events, wouldn't there be an explanation for that?

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Grand Companies continue

Another series of GC quests. This time they start with a brief quest then a speech by the GC leader attempting to unify their city-state as well as making a case for allowing adventurers into their ranks.

These quests move on to unique quests where Cid explains that the Empire has taken a special interest in Mor Dhona, and more specifically the area known as Silvertear Falls. Also, he explains his theory that the lesser moon Dalamund is having an affect on the flow of Aether -- especially around Silvertear Falls.

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A semi-valid theory, but one I disagree with. Neither of our views can really be proven, but yours seems to have quite a few more holes than mine.

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I'm not trying to be mean, but I'm just starting to get a head ache. You're making up things that were never in the story to begin with. And you are just insisting that the SUE events take place after the main scenario just because. Yet it makes more sense to see them in the sequence of minimum level. There's an obvious flow to the story that way.

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Cid mentions it directly during the GC quests. Only it's not an actual meteor, that's why it's capitalized. It's the spell Meteor. The Garleans are casting it in order to bring Dalamud down and crush Eorzea and all the Primals with them. Although whether that plan gets realized is still up in the air.

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Show me where he says that. Because as far as I've seen, the only thing he talks about is Dalamund is having an effect on the flow of Aether, especially around Silvertear Falls and that's why the Empire is so interested in it. Becuase they're trying to find crystallized Aether to summon a Primal.

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I agree with you, SE will probably think of something. But I don't like the idea of new players entering into the storyline with a bunch of important stuff already happening. I was ok with it for the SUE quests, because as I said before, they aren't that important to the over-all game plot.

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The SUE quests are huge. They are going to cause the cataclysm that changes the face of the planet.

I can't say it any simpler. They're two arcs on the same over all narrative. The main scenario shows us how the Empire gets to Silvertear Falls. The GC quests show us the beginnings of the resistance as well fill in more on Ifrit.

There's a logical order to them, which help the story unfold smoothly. And it's not a stretch of the imagination due to the fact that if you do them as they would be available to a new player they tell a concise story.

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Because it explains why the map and shit changes? I don't get why the one time content wouldn't be the story. It's a different game

You are either misunderstanding me or purposely twisting my words. The one time content is the SUE quest-line, as seen on the 2.0 roadmap (one time content begins at patch 1.19).

And yes, it is a continuation. if it was a new game they wouldn't need to explain how the map changes because it would be like going from FFXII to FFXIII, there is no connection. Do you know what "new game" means?

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I'm going by the levels SE allows the quests to be done. As this is our true indicator at SE's intended sequence. When they're released has no bearing on when they take place in the game world.

Once again, prove it. I never saw the developers say this. What about when an expansion comes out six years from now and it has a new storyline that unlocks at level 10. You seriously want me to believe that those missions chronologically happen before the missions I've already played? That's absurd. I've always gone by the order they were released, and I'll continue to do so.



Time is relative, I suppose. Doesn't change the fact that both storylines revolve around the Empire interested in one specific part of Eorzea while the rest of their campaign seems to be a ruse.

Because I'm betting the entire story of the game they've planned out has something to do with Silvertear Falls, that's why it's so prevalent in the opening cinematic. The quests after 2.0 will probably revolve around the same thing, you're telling me those stories happen at the same time as the GC quests too?



Toll of the Warden is a main scenario quest. It' can't go after the level 46 mission because the level 46 also is a main scenario quest.

You are misunderstanding me here. I meant the two sylph quests should go right after one another instead of having the GC quest right in between them. It breaks up the flow.

Accept it fits into the sequence. We fight Ifrit, then he explains in a cryptic way that he was told to hold back, then we fight him in his stronger form.

Yes it fits into the sequence that you put together in your head. It also fits into the sequence I put together in my head, it could go either way and their is no proving it.



Not a contradiction at all. The GCs ask us to go on a quest to defeat Ifrit. Then our Path Companion wants to try and reason the Beast tribes, not Ifrit. The Amalj'aa summon Ifrit to judge their prisoners. It just so hoppens that we and our Path Companions are unique among the other prisoners, which is why he speaks to us.

So I'm expected to consider my own character is too stupid to tell his path companion "Hey, don't reason with them, they just summoned Ifrit and I had to fight him." It still makes no sense put in that order.

Ifrit was never on the offensive. We were. We attacked him in It Kills With Fire. We went to the Amalj'aa in Lord Errant.

He definitely acted differently both times. Original quest-line, we infiltrate his lair, he talks to us. GC quest line, we infiltrate his lair, he tries to kill us. They don't match up.



Of Men They Sing and Futures Perfect are separated by the required level. At the end of Of Men They Sing we were scolded for acting on our own and told that the Ala Mihgans were talking to Melfina and we would be called if needed.

The required level thing is purely from a gameplay standpoint and has no bearing on the plot. For all intents and purposes, Futures Perfect should take place almost directly after Of Men They Sing.



We do, at level 22 if you take the time to do all available quests you meet them all.

I actually have no idea what you are talking about right here, and I've done every quest. Care to enlighten me?



You sure about that? Look closer.

Look closer? wth does that mean? All I know is when I did the GC quests I had extensive conversations with every member of the Circle of Knowing. At the time I thought, wow, if I hadn't done the r46 mission already I wouldn't know who any of these people are and be really confused.



I'm not trying to be mean, but I'm just starting to get a head ache. You're making up things that were never in the story to begin with. And you are just insisting that the SUE events take place after the main scenario just because. Yet it makes more sense to see them in the sequence of minimum level. There's an obvious flow to the story that way.

I'm not making any thing up. I might be inferring a few things based on clues in the story but it's all based on fact. And I'm insisting the SUE events take place after the main scenario because that is the way they were written, that is the way they were put together, that is the way they were released, and that is the way I played them. Seems like a better reason that this "obvious flow" you've invented in your head.

When the original scenario was written, there was no such as the SUE quests. They didn't even think them up until months later when people were complaining about the copy-pastad world. It was never in the grand scheme of things from the beginning. The only reason the quests were put in that order is to give the new players more things to do, since we all complained the level gaps between quests was too big. The story is still meant to be seen in the order that it was CREATED.



Show me where he says that. Because as far as I've seen, the only thing he talks about is Dalamund is having an effect on the flow of Aether, especially around Silvertear Falls and that's why the Empire is so interested in it. Becuase they're trying to find crystallized Aether to summon a Primal.

Cid mentions it the very first time you meet him. Someone asks what the Empire is up to and Cid replies with "Meteor." Couple that with the later revelations about the moon and its pretty easy to infer.

And NPCs since launch have mentioned the Empire's occupation of Silvertear Falls. They've been there well before the game even began. Maybe that's where they summoned the Meteor spell and that's why all the Aether flows there, who knows. It's vague, but it is there. Put two and two together for pete's sake.

The SUE quests are huge. They are going to cause the cataclysm that changes the face of the planet.

And what does changing the face of the planet have to do with the over-all plotline of the game? Nothing. It's purely an aesthetic change, and will go down as a mere battle in the war. It was never intended in the first place and was only thought up as an excuse to create 2.0 so it can't have that great of an effect on the future plot. And if you think they didn't have the future of the original story already plotted before the game even came out, you're a moron.

I can't say it any simpler. They're two arcs on the same over all narrative. The main scenario shows us how the Empire gets to Silvertear Falls. The GC quests show us the beginnings of the resistance as well fill in more on Ifrit.

The main arc is simply an introduction to the Empire and what it can do, as well as finally revealing their goal towards the end. The GC quests is what leads to 2.0. Don't see what you're trying to say here.

There's a logical order to them, which help the story unfold smoothly. And it's not a stretch of the imagination due to the fact that if you do them as they would be available to a new player they tell a concise story.

But that "flow" you so enjoy was created after the fact. The story was not written that way, and it's not meant to be seen that way. The way the story is supposed to unfold is how it would appear to someone who started playing at launch, because that's how it was released.

You're expecting me to believe that they either released the story out of order on purpose, or they want us to somehow travel through time to get the story the so-called "correct" way. I'll stick with my way thank you, it's much less idiotic and convoluted.

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Ugh, no matter what either of us say, there is not enough evidence one way or the other to prove either of us wrong. But the ONLY reason that the quests are in the order they are now is because the developers thought "hey, we have this new quest line, but even though we wrote it after the original story we can't put it after because the level cap is 50. So lets just cram them in wherever we see they could fit." and that's what they did. That's why it looks like a "flow" to you, because they made it work that way when they couldn't just make them all level 50 quests lol.

Doesn't mean I'm going to be fooled into thinking that's the right way to view them when that's not how they were intended. It's like releasing a James Bond movie. They all star the same character so obviously there is SOME timeline, even though it's not specifically stated. Would you assume they occur in order of release, or mix them all up because it "feels better" to you that way (which is based on opinion by the way so it really shouldn't have bearing in this argument.) But I digress, which one is more logical?

Lol I give up on you. I'll wait for devs, because you aren't making much sense.

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Lol I give up on you. I'll wait for devs, because you aren't making much sense.

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I'm doing just fine. You are the one that can't understand me. What does that say about your intellectual faculties?

Hopefully someone spiritbonds a piece of gear into the black materia, so we can control it and direct it to a garlean city, but what if they have a rocket full of tier 5 materia and try to blow it up?

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Hopefully someone spiritbonds a piece of gear into the black materia, so we can control it and direct it to a garlean city, but what if they have a rocket full of tier 5 materia and try to blow it up?

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After said person tries to charge the entire serverbase 10 mil a pop to use said black materia.

(We all know it would happen.)

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Once again, prove it. I never saw the developers say this. What about when an expansion comes out six years from now and it has a new storyline that unlocks at level 10. You seriously want me to believe that those missions chronologically happen before the missions I've already played? That's absurd. I've always gone by the order they were released, and I'll continue to do so.

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Like everything else in 1.x, it's a special circumstance. They released a bad product and the new development to took what was in game and found a way to make it make sense with their new direction.

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Because I'm betting the entire story of the game they've planned out has something to do with Silvertear Falls, that's why it's so prevalent in the opening cinematic. The quests after 2.0 will probably revolve around the same thing, you're telling me those stories happen at the same time as the GC quests too?

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No, because after 2.0 starts all the current quests will be out of the game and a new main scenario will be in place.

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You are misunderstanding me here. I meant the two sylph quests should go right after one another instead of having the GC quest right in between them. It breaks up the flow.

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I went in the order SE allows a character to do it. I didn't pick the flow I described, it's exactly how SE decided a character experiences the sequence of events.

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Yes it fits into the sequence that you put together in your head. It also fits into the sequence I put together in my head, it could go either way and their is no proving it.

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You mean other than the fact that the way I listed is how SE allows a character to experience it?

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So I'm expected to consider my own character is too stupid to tell his path companion "Hey, don't reason with them, they just summoned Ifrit and I had to fight him." It still makes no sense put in that order.

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Your character and said path companion is likely expecting that they Amalj'aa still won't summon Ifrit and will at least be peaceful if not listen to reason. No one is racing off in that mission to track down Ifrit. It's specifically just to try and reason with the Amalj'aa.

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He definitely acted differently both times. Original quest-line, we infiltrate his lair, he talks to us. GC quest line, we infiltrate his lair, he tries to kill us. They don't match up.

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In the first encounter, we encroach on his territory and attack him. Thus he defends himself. In the second meeting he "purifies" the prisoners to which we are immune and he explains that the Paragon told him to leave the "godless blessed" alive.

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The required level thing is purely from a gameplay standpoint and has no bearing on the plot. For all intents and purposes, Futures Perfect should take place almost directly after Of Men They Sing.

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The whole purpose of putting level requirements on content is to control the pace and flow of the story. Which is why that is the best way to determine how it should flow.

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I actually have no idea what you are talking about right here, and I've done every quest. Care to enlighten me?

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The first quest you do for each GC, you meet the NPC that a character would meet in the opening CS for the main scenario for that same nation. For example, in the Limsa Lominsa opening you meet a Miqo'te on the ship. In the First Limsa Lominsa GC quest you meet the same NPC.

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Look closer? wth does that mean? All I know is when I did the GC quests I had extensive conversations with every member of the Circle of Knowing. At the time I thought, wow, if I hadn't done the r46 mission already I wouldn't know who any of these people are and be really confused.

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You would know at least one of them as you met them in the opening CS of your original chosen. Then you meet them all again in the level 22 GC quests. It makes more sense to have done all of those first as the NPCs all seem to recognize you in the L46 quest despite you only having met one in the main scenario.

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I'm not making any thing up. I might be inferring a few things based on clues in the story but it's all based on fact. And I'm insisting the SUE events take place after the main scenario because that is the way they were written, that is the way they were put together, that is the way they were released, and that is the way I played them. Seems like a better reason that this "obvious flow" you've invented in your head.

When the original scenario was written, there was no such as the SUE quests. They didn't even think them up until months later when people were complaining about the copy-pastad world. It was never in the grand scheme of things from the beginning. The only reason the quests were put in that order is to give the new players more things to do, since we all complained the level gaps between quests was too big. The story is still meant to be seen in the order that it was CREATED.

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Again, this is a very special circumstance where they're filling in the blanks so that they can make the SUE events post L46.

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Cid mentions it the very first time you meet him. Someone asks what the Empire is up to and Cid replies with "Meteor." Couple that with the later revelations about the moon and its pretty easy to infer.

And NPCs since launch have mentioned the Empire's occupation of Silvertear Falls. They've been there well before the game even began. Maybe that's where they summoned the Meteor spell and that's why all the Aether flows there, who knows. It's vague, but it is there. Put two and two together for pete's sake.

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Show me where Cid mentions Meteor.

And the rest isn't vague.

Here is what I've been saying in Cid's own words from the Limsa Lominsa quest Ceruleum Shock:

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Ce...k/Plot_Details

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Cid: I've been waiting, and I must admit, it is not something I do well.

Cid: Now, let us make this brief. You asked what I was doing in northern Thanalan. Well, I was studying the aetheric currents flowing through the ceruleum gorges on their way to Silvertear Lake.

Cid: I fruitlessly attempted to explain to those brutes back in the cavern, I believe the natural flux of all energy in Eorzea, and the influence it exerts upon its surroundings, has been disturbed by an external force, resulting in the queer phenomena that have been observed throughout the realm.

Cid: As to the origin of this force, my studies point to the lesser moon, Dalamud, as the most likely suspect.

Cid: How do I know this, you ask? Well...it is complicated. And, really...does it matter? Given what it could mean to the realm─to the entire world─you would be better off focusing on what may yet be done and ignoring that which cannot now be changed.

Cid: Time is of the essence, my friend. The Eorzean city-states have only just begun to realize the true extent of what is happening, and are consequently hopelessly behind in making the proper preparations. Garlemald, on the other hand, has been aware of the truth for some time now.

Cid: That is why they have taken up positions all around Mor Dhona. This is no mere invasion, either─though at one time it might have been intended as such. No, this is something different. Something more.

Cid: And a part of me feels slightly responsible─which is why I have chosen to help your city by the sea, along with Ul'dah and Gridania. You see, the machina that the Empire is using to gather information...is of my design.

Cid: I, myself, am Garlean, as are my peers from the Ironworks. The terminals were one of my last inventions before I came to Eorzea. Lest you mistrust me, I may add that my colleagues and I are now fugitives, hunted by our countrymen for passing state secrets to the enemy.

Cid: I have no desire to return to the Empire, nor do I wish to pledge my allegiance to one city-state or another. Simply put, my cause is greater than any single nation. Were it otherwise, I would happily have left you and your pirate friends to slay as many Immortal Flames as would sate your bloodlust.

Cid: But as I said before, this is no longer about the insignificant wars of men. A thousand lives? Ten thousand? Even a hundred thousand. Those numbers are but a fraction of what will be lost if what I believe comes to pass.

Cid: The city-states must be made to see this, and if words will not persuade them, then perhaps force will be necessary.

Cid: I believe your Admiral has finally begun to comprehend her part, though not yet how best to play it─the near debacle at Vesper Bay being a case in point.

Cid: And you, adventurer─what are your intentions?

Cid: Your service to the Maelstrom has not gone unnoticed. It will not be long before you are granted admission into their upper ranks.

Cid: I understand it is difficult for your kind to settle down in any one place, but I sense far too much promise in you for you to go on wasting your talents wandering the world saving cats from trees and children from wells.

Cid: Let me leave you with these final words─you need not be at a ship's helm to influence its course. If you cannot be a captain, then be the wind.

Cid: Unless, that is, you would rather be a guiding flame or a sly serpent.

Cid: I will not tell you which path to choose, only that you must choose─if not for yourself, then for the realm.

Cid: I suppose you are wondering why someone like myself would take the time to reveal all this to an adventurer, of all people, and to tell you the truth, I have been wondering the same thing myself. This time, however, I have elected to heed my instincts. It may not be the most scientific of methods, but I've oft found it to be the most reliable.

Cid: Now, I must away. Dalamud calleth.

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And what does changing the face of the planet have to do with the over-all plotline of the game? Nothing. It's purely an aesthetic change, and will go down as a mere battle in the war. It was never intended in the first place and was only thought up as an excuse to create 2.0 so it can't have that great of an effect on the future plot. And if you think they didn't have the future of the original story already plotted before the game even came out, you're a moron.

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There's absolutely no reason to fling personal insults.

I doubt they had plot devices planned out at release to conveniently explain away map changes related to server overhauls and a brand new engine.

But what this whole conversation comes down to is me saying "SE has designed the series of quest to be experienced in a certain order as is evident by the levels at which they have decided they should be experienced. Compounded by the fact that they're the same story.

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The main arc is simply an introduction to the Empire and what it can do, as well as finally revealing their goal towards the end. The GC quests is what leads to 2.0. Don't see what you're trying to say here.

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That they happen in a sequence and the Level 46 mission is the last mission our character would have experience sequentially and that makes sense as it all together explains the greater narrative of the Seventh Umbral Era.

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But that "flow" you so enjoy was created after the fact. The story was not written that way, and it's not meant to be seen that way. The way the story is supposed to unfold is how it would appear to someone who started playing at launch, because that's how it was released.

You're expecting me to believe that they either released the story out of order on purpose, or they want us to somehow travel through time to get the story the so-called "correct" way. I'll stick with my way thank you, it's much less idiotic and convoluted.

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You're right, it was created after the fact ... to incorporate the main story written by the former devs so that the old quest series could be tossed out along with the SUE quests.

Why would they want to do that?

As I said in a previous post: Yoshida wants to get rid of the "anyone can do it" quests and make all quests of that nature battle only.

They didn't release the story out of order. They released an incomplete story and the new dev team found a way to explain things from a story aspect like them optimizing their new engine and server structure.

That's the whole purpose of these Seventh Umbral Era events and why they directly tie into the main scenario quests the way they do. Because like everything else the old dev team did, the new dev team is getting rid of it. They're molding it into the prequel of the new game.

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Like everything else in 1.x, it's a special circumstance. They released a bad product and the new development to took what was in game and found a way to make it make sense with their new direction.



No, because after 2.0 starts all the current quests will be out of the game and a new main scenario will be in place.



I went in the order SE allows a character to do it. I didn't pick the flow I described, it's exactly how SE decided a character experiences the sequence of events.



You mean other than the fact that the way I listed is how SE allows a character to experience it?



Your character and said path companion is likely expecting that they Amalj'aa still won't summon Ifrit and will at least be peaceful if not listen to reason. No one is racing off in that mission to track down Ifrit. It's specifically just to try and reason with the Amalj'aa.



In the first encounter, we encroach on his territory and attack him. Thus he defends himself. In the second meeting he "purifies" the prisoners to which we are immune and he explains that the Paragon told him to leave the "godless blessed" alive.



The whole purpose of putting level requirements on content is to control the pace and flow of the story. Which is why that is the best way to determine how it should flow.



The first quest you do for each GC, you meet the NPC that a character would meet in the opening CS for the main scenario for that same nation. For example, in the Limsa Lominsa opening you meet a Miqo'te on the ship. In the First Limsa Lominsa GC quest you meet the same NPC.



You would know at least one of them as you met them in the opening CS of your original chosen. Then you meet them all again in the level 22 GC quests. It makes more sense to have done all of those first as the NPCs all seem to recognize you in the L46 quest despite you only having met one in the main scenario.



Again, this is a very special circumstance where they're filling in the blanks so that they can make the SUE events post L46.



Show me where Cid mentions Meteor.

And the rest isn't vague.

Here is what I've been saying in Cid's own words from the Limsa Lominsa quest Ceruleum Shock:

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Ce...k/Plot_Details





There's absolutely no reason to fling personal insults.

I doubt they had plot devices planned out at release to conveniently explain away map changes related to server overhauls and a brand new engine.

But what this whole conversation comes down to is me saying "SE has designed the series of quest to be experienced in a certain order as is evident by the levels at which they have decided they should be experienced. Compounded by the fact that they're the same story.



That they happen in a sequence and the Level 46 mission is the last mission our character would have experience sequentially and that makes sense as it all together explains the greater narrative of the Seventh Umbral Era.



You're right, it was created after the fact ... to incorporate the main story written by the former devs so that the old quest series could be tossed out along with the SUE quests.

Why would they want to do that?

As I said in a previous post: Yoshida wants to get rid of the "anyone can do it" quests and make all quests of that nature battle only.

They didn't release the story out of order. They released an incomplete story and the new dev team found a way to explain things from a story aspect like them optimizing their new engine and server structure.

That's the whole purpose of these Seventh Umbral Era events and why they directly tie into the main scenario quests the way they do. Because like everything else the old dev team did, the new dev team is getting rid of it. They're molding it into the prequel of the new game.

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And all this business about the Circle of Knowing is obviously both of us being biased by the way we were introduced to the content. It is obvious to me that in the level 22 GC quests, I already knew all the tattood people when I talked to them. They didn't explain who they were, there was no greeting as if this is the first time I've seen them. Because I have already met them in the r46 mission.

In the r46 mission on the other hand, my character basically completely ignores all but the one he already knew from the starting missions (In my case that was Yda and Papalymo). If I already know them at this point, why wouldn't I say hi?

I'm tired of arguing. You are never going to realize that both of our views are theories without enough evidence to sway either of us. You are basically telling me that SE screwed me out of seeing the story correctly because they released the missions out of order. I refuse to believe that they would punish me for being one of the few that are still playing since launch. But whatever, agree to disagree and all that. We'll both see once 2.0 hits. I'm done.



Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPV8CnMYjwo
Right here, the very first meeting with Cid. That's where he talks about Meteor.

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I'm tired of arguing. You are never going to realize that both of our views are theories without enough evidence to sway either of us. You are basically telling me that SE screwed me out of seeing the story correctly because they released the missions out of order. I refuse to believe that they would punish me for being one of the few that are still playing since launch. But whatever, agree to disagree and all that. We'll both see once 2.0 hits. I'm done.

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You're not being punished. SE is just going back to fill in some blanks before the move forward. It's as simple as that.

Just like class abilities, jobs, map redesigns and a plethora of other changes; the main scenario is being absorbed into the events leading up to the cataclysm so they can wipe the slate clean in 2.0. Yoshida wants a battle-oriented storyline post 2.0 and everything we experience in 1.x will be back story that only those of us playing now experience.

You're not being tricked or punished for having leveled ahead of any of these changes. The new dev team is simply taking a rushed product and filling in the gaps.

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Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPV8CnMYjwo
Right here, the very first meeting with Cid. That's where he talks about Meteor.

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So based on Cid saying nothing more than "Meteor..." you've some how convinced yourself that the Empire summoned a meteor to destroy Eorzea?

While the real storyline has well documented and multiple references to the fact that the Empire is trying to use the Aether around Silvertear Falls to summon a primal of their own.

Even if, despite all the build up around the unstable Aether and Dalamund, it's a meteor just hits and explains away the map changes, it doesn't change the fact that the main scenario has been incorporated into the SUE events.

There were a lot of questions about the main scenario the SUE events have answered. It just makes more sense to Lik at it this way. Just because you feel slighted, it doesn't change the fact that in this special circumstance it pays to look to the levels for continuity's sake.

Like I said, done arguing. I'm merely stating that I believe once 2.0 hits, the SUE quests will be gone, and the original quests (however changed or updated) will still be there. We'll see when the time comes.

And I will never, ever, ever, buy that the SUE quests take place at the same time as the original ones because you think they flow better that way. I'm sorry, show me a dev post stating such, and I'll concede. Barring that, it's just your theory.

Being concurrent with main storyline is generally what an Era is. So there's truly nothing to argue about, it's just what your perception of events are. For example, the storyline was obviously created before the 7th U Era events started taking place, but that doesn't mean in terms of lore they're separate, just in terms on what came first development wise.

If the world gets destroyed and restored for example, that'll logically be reflected in the main storyline and if it's an impending crisis, this is why new quests are tied to it, since they couldn't (wouldn't) go back and rewrite all of the previous storyline to fit into something they introduced a year later, especially after the majority of the people completed the storyline.

So it truly depends on your perception of the overall story of the world, because the one time event will be the 7th UE, but it also will flow into the main storyline because Square has always been ones who paid attention to detail of their worlds.

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Like I said, done arguing. I'm merely stating that I believe once 2.0 hits, the SUE quests will be gone, and the original quests (however changed or updated) will still be there. We'll see when the time comes.

And I will never, ever, ever, buy that the SUE quests take place at the same time as the original ones because you think they flow better that way. I'm sorry, show me a dev post stating such, and I'll concede. Barring that, it's just your theory.

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Just wanted to chime in...

You guys are absolutely right with your assessment of the situation. Similar questions were answered by Yoshi-P just last week when he was in L.A. to do a slew of interviews with the media and various websites. Basically, the main scenario (the Echo, the Ascians, the Waking Sands, your Path companion, etc.) will continue once the people of Eorzea have figured out how to deal with the coming calamity first. ;)

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Look, maybe you're right and these SUE events take place completely after Futures Perfect.

I'm just going to agree to disagree. I stand by my opinion that they take place in tandem and so far SE has just filled in some blanks in preparation of moving forward.

It's as Fernehalwes said, Eorzea is figuring out how to deal with the coming calamity. Right now that's through reforming the Grand Companies as they were in the face of the Sixth Umbral Era. But my problem with the GC quest occurig after futures perfect is that there's no mention of said events throught the GC storyline until we track down the Empire in Darkhold at level 45, just before Futures Perfect.

Both story lines drive to the same point, finding out the Empire is trying to use Mor Dhona to summon a primal. To keep one and not the other at this point would ruin the lore after the calamity.

Whether the SUE events take place before, during or after the main scenario has no baring on the fact that they serve to enhance the main scenario story line (my point in laying them out in a logic order is to present a reasonable continuity. The pieces fit in a logical way). The main scenario tells us the Empire is here, the SUE events tell us why and what Eorzea's response is to that fact.

After the calamity, there will be no reason for the current main scenario quests to exist as they, along with thhe SUE events, lead up to the one-time calamity event. Which is why the official response there said they'll continue once how to deal with he calamity is resolved and not "after the calamity."

To keep them in the game would mean that everything that occurs in those quests would have to have a different end result in 2.0. It's not SE deceiving you, it's just the new dev team cleaning house.

See that's what I'm trying to say, the SUE events lead up to the big apocalypse, etc. But the original quests are more important then that. They set up the entire war with the empire, which WILL be continuing after 2.0. It isn't specified in your quote when the original questline will be continued, but it's been said before that it will be POST 2.0. How can it lead to something that's already happened? Here:

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This is straight from Yoshi-P's mouth. Does it not sound like he considers the SUE events to be different and separate from the original quest line? Does it not seem like he considers the original quest-line to NOT lead up to 2.0?

It mentions nothing about the original questline going away after 2.0, and it even talks about making them better. How could he make them better if they are gone? To elaborate on that, there are other places (which I can't find at the moment) that talks about re-doing the cutscenes for these quests with the new 2.0 engine and added voice acting. Once again, why remake them if they lead up to something that has already happened?

I reiterate, even though you think so, the goal of the original questline is not to set up events for the coming apocalypse. They are bigger then that. The world changing is just an event, something insignificant when compared to an eventual 10+ year timeline of playing FFXIV.

I don't get it. You just can't seem to see where I am coming from.

Link here: http://pc.rpgsite.net/interviews/327...-naoki-yoshida