Viera can be different from Miqo'te.

I'm still going to stand by my point that the Viera's aren't adding anything new to FFXIV (SE will make them look similar to a current race), aside from rabbit ears (which can already be purchased) and weird digitgrade feet (which is pretty much the only argument against playable beastmen).

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(which is pretty much the only argument against playable beastmen).

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Modifying headgear to fit snouts. Modifying more than the foot-part of the footgear (since the shape is the same by formed differently + heels) as well as the legwear (true digit-grade feet are far more different, and changes both feet and legs significantly). That's assuming that the deformation of the spine to balance the legs+feet would not change the base skeleton enough to require a full refit of all the gear.

Don't get me wrong, I want Ronso and Bangaa and Hummingway as well, but there is a lot more work in creating and maintaining those races than in creating Viera.

Oh, and Gold Saucer Bunny ears look really fake with those seams running down the middle. :p

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Viera shoud absolutely be a playable race, especially after seeing the FFXIV team's amazing artwork:

http://cdn4.dualshockers.com/wp-cont.../04/Viera1.jpg
http://cdn4.dualshockers.com/wp-cont.../04/Viera2.jpg

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I've been wanting them to add this race for along time as well. I was so excited when they showed this only to have gone with Au Ra...

Please add them SE!

I hope when they add Viera, they add in the thongs. How else would they compete with all the miqo'te otherwise?

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Male Au Ra same as Elezen? No they don't. Male Au Ra and Elezen are both tall but Au Ra have more muscle definition, especially on their limbs than Elezen, and Elezen are lanky-looking. Male Au Ra have that hourglass-ish figure as well unlike Elezen.

Female Au Ra, Miqo'te (and Midlander Hyur) sharing the same silhouette sure, I could say the same with Mithra and Hume.

The Viera part I highly disagree on, like the others have said.

I have also pointed out before how each of the races are different from each other aside from their racial features.

people ask for a monster/beast race, without take in account the amount of work it will recquire to adapt all the armor of the game to them.... between the robe, skirt and stuff like this, depending of the stance of the race it can be simply impossible and will ask to create new armor from old content for them.

as the time pass you are less and less likely to see a race as the ronso, vangaa and such arrive in the game. ronso will be silly with the miqo'te, it will be 2 felide race.

between wanting it and they can do it, it's a whole world, don't forget that the FF14 team haven't changed while the game is now played by more of 4.000.000 people, when it was normally counted for about 500.000 people. they maintain an extrem rythm of patch and plan to add expansion every 1.5-2 years. the amount of content release is simply insane if you think about.

sadly SE HQ think it's better to sink Millions and Million in FF15, that are not sure to make a success, while they have a game that succed enough for save them! and leave the team that work on it not get more manpower nor more support for the hardware upgrade. becase that the truth, they get tons of cash from FF14 but if you have 30% that are reinvest into it, you are lucky.

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Elezen and viera are nothing alike lore wise

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The Elezen are very proud of the Black Shroud and The Ishgardian Holy See.. Arguably because they're both "pure" areas in the world, especially if you're super biased for the Elezen of those areas. ... Go figure that the Viera also follow the "Green Law", kinda similar to the Elementals of the Black Shroud or the Ishgardian Holy See.

"This is against their law, referred to as the "Green Word," which forbids contact with the outside world. According to Jote, Fran's sister and the leader of the viera who remain in Eruyt Village, once a viera breaks this law, they are considered viera no more and are regarded as outcasts." I don't know about you, but that sounds judging as heck.

They also have half breeds that are discriminated against (See Hilda in Heavensward)! The Exiled - "Fran states this variety of viera are often called "the Exiled" as they are seen as abominations by their full-blooded kin."

Also, Elezen are stoic as heck, especially the Ishgardian ones.. Suppressed emotions are kinda a general "thing" with people heavily ingrained in religious cultures like the Elezen of Ishgard and Gridania. And a quote about the Keepers of the Moon (Because you brought up the Miqo'te being a "happy" race) "The Keepers are known for their reticent and brooding personalities, but are also respected and sometimes feared for their tenacity."

They're just way to similar for the Elezen in both stature, attitudes, lore, et cetera.

Gridania/Ishgard =/= Elezen. Laws/appreciation apply to all who live there. Everyone born there has more or less the same regard for outsiders. Elezen just happened to settle in the Black Shroud first.

The half-breed thing isn't an Elezen thing either, it's an Eorzean thing. If you never checked out the starter NPC dialogue from Wanderer's Palace Hardmode, a mixed race couple was basically shunned out of their hometown for being a mixed race couple.

Ishgardian nobles/soldiers and Gridanian soldiers are stoic. The average citizen isn't.

In terms of physique, I don't see how different a Ronso is to a Highlander/Roegadyn. To make it easier for the devs, they can just remove the claws and maybe them flat-footed.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/..._and_yenke.jpg

A Ronso-like race is still very "human" proportion and physique-wise. And won;t be too difficult to program gear and hairstyles on. Having something like Amal'jaa, Vanu Vanu, etc would be much more difficult

Another way for Beastmen to be playable is if SE create a 'Beastman glamour' thing of sorts. That way they won't have to redesign clothing and such (most they would need to do is give the beastmen the same animations for attacks/cooldowns).

If they did that, then I honestly wouldn't care if Viera were added at all.

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Gridania/Ishgard =/= Elezen. Laws/appreciation apply to all who live there. Everyone born there has more or less the same regard for outsiders. Elezen just happened to settle in the Black Shroud first.

The half-breed thing isn't an Elezen thing either, it's an Eorzean thing. If you never checked out the starter NPC dialogue from Wanderer's Palace Hardmode, a mixed race couple was basically shunned out of their hometown for being a mixed race couple.

Ishgardian nobles/soldiers and Gridanian soldiers are stoic. The average citizen isn't.

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I thought the couple outside WP:HM were shunned because they were gay. At least that's how it seemed to be worded when they were telling their tale.

Gridania and Ishgard are, by lore standpoint, Elezen at its base. Number of quests in Gridania have Elezen NPC's sometimes espouse that they are upset that they share land with non-Elezen, and that one particular Elezen in the archer line who doesn't think any non-Elezen, and even non-native born Elezen, have what it takes to be a good archer. Ishgard from its foundation up is Elezen, non-Elezen's typically live in the slums, and are tolerated but not respected in any way, as NPC's will tell you about the Elezen nobles that sleep with a hyur then toss them to the street like days old lunch. The only NPC in the game that has been halfbreed is Hilda, and they call her a mongrel, openly.

So, yeah, same mentality as Viera.

It is not the same mentality. Elezen are your typical elves that see any other race as inferior. Viera don't follow this mentality. Viera see anyone who doesn't stay in the forest (in a bunny/animal type of way) as betraying the forest. Elezen is a disrespect for anyone based on race and ancestry. Elezen outright dislike people unlike them. Viera believe the best place in the world is the forest, that's where their pride lies. It's nothing Holy See or about hating how Hyur is an inferior race.

Viera: Forest
Elezen: Race/Status

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In terms of physique, I don't see how different a Ronso is to a Highlander/Roegadyn. To make it easier for the devs, they can just remove the claws and maybe them flat-footed.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/..._and_yenke.jpg

A Ronso-like race is still very "human" proportion and physique-wise. And won;t be too difficult to program gear and hairstyles on. Having something like Amal'jaa, Vanu Vanu, etc would be much more difficult

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ronsos are big human lion/tiger/car humanoid, that a bit doublon with miqote that are cat people, right?

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It is not the same mentality. Elezen are your typical elves that see any other race as inferior. Viera don't follow this mentality. Viera see anyone who doesn't stay in the forest (in a bunny/animal type of way) as betraying the forest. Elezen is a disrespect for anyone based on race and ancestry. Elezen outright dislike people unlike them. Viera believe the best place in the world is the forest, that's where their pride lies. It's nothing Holy See or about hating how Hyur is an inferior race.

Viera: Forest
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They also have half breeds that are discriminated against (See Hilda in Heavensward)! The Exiled - "Fran states this variety of viera are often called "the Exiled" as they are seen as abominations by their full-blooded kin."

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Guess they do look down on other races.

From what I remember it is actually like all our playable races (yes, all playable races) they look down on half breeds (heck, in Eorzea half breed Moon Keeper/Sun Seeker are considered bad, one of the ultimate insults you could level at a Highlander is that they could possibly be half Roegadyn and so on). Basically, in Hydaelyn as in Ivalice, they do not look down on the pure races themselves, but on the mixing of races.

When I played the Viera quests in FFXII I didn't really get the full "Eruyt=Gridania" comparison. For one, the Viera acts out of love for the Wood, which nurtures those who listens to the Word, and simply does not aid the ones that doesn't (though if there has been recent unrest, it will make things harder as it tries to protect the Viera; when Vaan's party arrived, it was soon after Mjrn disappeared together with imperial troops. Had the Wood usually been so hard to traverse, Fran would have likely told them to take another route). Heck, the Viera might find living without the Wood and Word incomprehensible, but when moogles settle to make business at the entrance of their village, and when Vaan runs around and being Vaan, they let them, and even show gratitude when Vaan aids them with their troubles (though they don't seem to quite know what to make of him, lol).

Basically, the Viera that have never left the Wood and been at least temporarily severed from the Word cannot comprehend other races, but they do not necessarily look down on them in the same way they look down on Viera (or part Viera) who no longer hears the Word. This is most shown in Viera that have left the Wood (Fran, Ktjn, Krjn are prominent examples, though even Mjrn, who still hears the Word, wants the Viera to aid the other races). Ktjn, for example, values Vaan's judgement of her abilities and way of life, and is the happy either working in a guild lead by a moogle, or happy working in a store for a bangaa by the end of her quest. The closest thing to an insult that I can remember any Viera toss at the other races was Jote's insult towards Fran, something like "your ears have grown deaf by listening to their harsh voices" in reference to how Fran no longer hears the Word.

Meanwhile in Gridania, everything is motivated by fear of the Elementals, and what the Elementals will do to them if outsiders offend them (the Viera has no such fears, if offensive outsiders appear, the Wood will protect them, not disown them and drive them underground). Sometimes is is motivated by bigotry and justified as some nebulous "fear of Elementals".

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inb4: "LOOL says the catgirl"
yea miqo'te are uninspired too.
I would rather play a beastly race. Bangaa, or the Firrans from Arche Age.
http://www2.pic-upload.de/thumb/2886...FerreKopie.jpg

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I would so love to see another two tribes of the miqo'te who looked more like this. o.o Some sort of plains and jungle types.
...When/if lore could call for it I mean. 'Cus that matters. Cough. Or, it should (have).

Some of the enemies in Mociannes use a skill called "The Wood Remembers" which is something Fran's sister says :3

Anyway Viera...yes plz :3

Well, if we continue to ask for Viera. Square Enix will have to consider them, it's what the players want. Not to mention, back before 2.0, they did a poll and people reacted favorably to the concept of a race like the Viera, in fact they name dropped them and believed it influenced the votes heavily.

I don't really think a beast race would be suited or proper for the game. However, I wouldn't mind more of a furry humanoid race, which would really suit the game and wouldn't be too hard to make armor models for.

Those who say Viera look like Elezen with bunny ears are silly. Their bodies and faces are completely different, where elezen have a kind of caved in face the Viera have a completely pushed out face.

Instead of a "beast" we can have a more animal look to them like this.

http://cdn4.dualshockers.com/wp-cont.../04/Viera2.jpg
http://40.media.tumblr.com/2425607f1...rxc0lo_500.png

A mix between both of these, where the faces are longer or more bunny-like.

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Instead of a "beast" we can have a more animal look to them like this.
http://40.media.tumblr.com/2425607f1...rxc0lo_500.png

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Please no. All our little-bit-beastly options are teeny tiny girls. That Viera are tall women is the reason why I want them to be in FFXIV.

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Please no. All our little-bit-beastly options are teeny tiny girls. That Viera are tall women is the reason why I want them to be in FFXIV.

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Well, I think that the woman should be bigger/taller/stronger then the men. Opposite of Au'Ra.

At this point, I don't think the game needs three beast-like races, that'd be half the playable races.

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I wouldn't mind more of a furry humanoid race which wouldn't be too hard to make armor models for, where the faces are longer or more bunny-like.
http://40.media.tumblr.com/2425607f1...rxc0lo_500.png

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I certainly wouldn't mind Vierafell! Make it happen, SE!

First off. AMAZING artwork. I love when this kind of creativity is brought into the game.

Second off. ALL THE YASSSS.

I'd love a race that didn't consist of bad proportioned bodies, and tiny cardboard butts. I'd love this race, with better proportional bodies, and they can edit the race to not look like everything else.

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Well, if we continue to ask for Viera. Square Enix will have to consider them, it's what the players want. Not to mention, back before 2.0, they did a poll and people reacted favorably to the concept of a race like the Viera, in fact they name dropped them and believed it influenced the votes heavily.

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And I believe Yoshi-P said it was an unfair advantage.

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And I believe Yoshi-P said it was an unfair advantage.

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And instead of Viera, we got Au Ra that are simply japanese girls with horns and scales, and they look almost exactly like Miqo'te. People clearly wanted Viera, so why not give them it? They added other things for blatant fan service like Cloud's outfit and all that. Viera could at least be written into lore.

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unfair because it show how much people did loved this race more than ronsos or vangaa? probably. but in the end, it did show how much player did wanted this race to be added. that was the goal of the vote, no?

But not everyone wants Viera (and judging the likes on the first post, it's a massive minority of the forum community who wants them) and I'm sure quite a few (or perhaps a lot) players playing this game aren't a fan of blatant fan service.

Don't get me wrong, I still hate the Au Ra and think SE could have done better (the concept art for Au Ra's, especially for the females, were far better than the end result). If Viera were added into the game, I am 100% certain they will look nothing like their concept art (and finalised art. Male Au Ra for reference) and instead look more similar to one/two of the current races.

Not everybody wanted the Au Ra either, but it's not like we can't have both or more. The entire point of expansions is to add new jobs and races to invoke hype and appreciation!

The real reasons we don't want Viera is because the dev team couldn't/wouldn't do it and then some.
1. They couldn't do the ears, they said in an interview.
2. The heels were problematic.
3. Yoshida has wanted a lizard-like race prior to 2.0 when he mentioned it during the Viera poll debacle.
4. They wanted to make something "original".

Edit: Also, don't use the forums to gauge whether or not a minority wants something, this is merely one of many threads about Viera that have happened over the months and years of FF 14.

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I don't really think a beast race would be suited or proper for the game. However, I wouldn't mind more of a furry humanoid race, which would really suit the game and wouldn't be too hard to make armor models for.

Those who say Viera look like Elezen with bunny ears are silly. Their bodies and faces are completely different, where elezen have a kind of caved in face the Viera have a completely pushed out face.

Instead of a "beast" we can have a more animal look to them like this.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/2425607f1...rxc0lo_500.png

A mix between both of these, where the faces are longer or more bunny-like.

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I would absolutly love to play a race which looks like this. I hope SE will consider it for the next expansion, a lot of people ask for it and I think a race with actually fur is something ffxiv is missing, and those would be perfect.

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Not everybody wanted the Au Ra either, but it's not like we can't have both or more. The entire point of expansions is to add new jobs and races to invoke hype and appreciation!

The real reasons we don't want Viera is because the dev team couldn't/wouldn't do it and then some.
1. They couldn't do the ears, they said in an interview.

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Just curious, but if they're able to do Miqo'te ears, why not Viera ears? They can already do long ears with the Gold Saucer, maybe it's just because they can't throw ear socks over everything like they do with Miqo'te.

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Just curious, but if they're able to do Miqo'te ears, why not Viera ears? They can already do long ears with the Gold Saucer, maybe it's just because they can't throw ear socks over everything like they do with Miqo'te.

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In my opinion, I think it was just them being apathetic. Yoshida was very vocal about what he wanted to make, we never specifically said it had to be a perfect 1:1 Viera, they could've easily adjusted the ears and heels to make it fit into FF 14 and create a new version of the race specifically for FF 14. The polls ended up being totally worthless because Yoshida and team will do whatever they want without thinking about the players' opinion, disappointing.

I personally don't want Viera in the game because they're just another human race with animal bits on them .-. (that is my main reason for being against it)

I'd be happy with SE if they could make a beastman glamour of sorts (you can glamour 4-5 slots now). You'd get to play as a beastman of your choosing and SE wouldn't have to worry about making gear for them (only the weaponskill, magic casting and cooldown animations and the weapons would need work). If SE could do that, then SE adding an unoriginal race wouldn't bother me too much. I'd still be disappointed, but at least I'd be able to play as a Vanu Vanu, Amalj'aa or whatever else. Just having something that is quite clearly not a human running around the game would make it appear more diverse or something.

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In my opinion, I think it was just them being apathetic. Yoshida was very vocal about what he wanted to make, we never specifically said it had to be a perfect 1:1 Viera, they could've easily adjusted the ears and heels to make it fit into FF 14 and create a new version of the race specifically for FF 14. The polls ended up being totally worthless because Yoshida and team will do whatever they want without thinking about the players' opinion, disappointing.

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Every director needs to take their vision of what they want to see happen in the game, as much as fans would like to believe the opposite, they're almost always wrong. If fans had their way, Sephiroth would be a raiding boss, every class would have a buster sword one way or another, etc. There's a difference between not thinking about your fan's requests, and being a respectable director not looking to turn it into Final Fantasy fanservice galore. I do respect Yoshida for that, among many other reasons.

If they changed them to fit into FFXIV more (which I assume is make them worse, like Au Ra concept -> Au Ra in-game), I don't think they would be Viera anymore, nor would they carry the name for obvious reasons. They'd just be a race with bunny ears, so I think most people would be fine with that. I'd prefer a more beastly race, but I realize the chance of that happening is slim to none. I don't think there's a way to sensibly bring them into the lore until we travel to a new continent (most likely the New World), Au Ra lore made no sense to me. "Hey, one of us came from Doma, so now we populate 20% of Eorzea"? is how they seem to have handled it. If they added them to be a prime race in the new continent, where civilization runs on their background lore, lore themed towns/cities, then that would be great. We got it for the Ishgardians, we get them on a smaller scale for beast tribe (the entirety of the Sea of Cloud) but SE can't be assed to implement something similar for a new race?

Well, they're probably never gonna do something as advanced as that. They like having all the races use very similar models so they can use the same animations and gear without looking funny.

To add your beastman glamour, it'd take some serious work, more work than just creating the Viera, think of the bugs and clipping and other nonsense.

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Colorful, FF 14 is already Fanservice Galore. Yoshida already said FF XIV is about celebrating everything Final Fantasy, you can't tell me you don't already see tons of fanservice everywhere you go. They already edit existing things to make the "14 version". Look at Dark Knight or Summoner, those are not even close to their iconic style but they're still called that.

Then they can use their resources to focus on instead making the Beastman glamour :P (they wouldn't need to redesign all current and new gear sets for them, which has so far been the only argument against them... aside from "I simply don't want them")
No comment on bugs, but for clipping... I can see that only being on mounts (which already have clipping issues if you wear a robe, dress, cape-thing).

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Then they can use their resources to focus on instead making the Beastman glamour :P (they wouldn't need to redesign all current and new gear sets for them, which has so far been the only argument against them... aside from "I simply don't want them")
No comment on bugs, but for clipping... I can see that only being on mounts (which already have clipping issues if you wear a robe, dress, cape-thing).

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If it's on mounts, that'd be enough for them to say no, like how they removed Darkside's black flames on the DRK's feet because it looked weird when they were doing certain actions like riding a mount.

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But not everyone wants Viera (and judging the likes on the first post, it's a massive minority of the forum community who wants them) and I'm sure quite a few (or perhaps a lot) players playing this game aren't a fan of blatant fan service.

Don't get me wrong, I still hate the Au Ra and think SE could have done better (the concept art for Au Ra's, especially for the females, were far better than the end result). If Viera were added into the game, I am 100% certain they will look nothing like their concept art (and finalised art. Male Au Ra for reference) and instead look more similar to one/two of the current races.

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more little come to the forum now, mostly because it's know that most of itthread are useless now. when people complain (with argument and such) about content and you see them totally ignored, people tend to leave a forum.
soo far find me one thread about demand that was really listened in the forum outside the japanese one? and i don't talk of the small question that often are not pressing matter. look about the hunt, housing and now diademtrouble pointed by the player... do you really think they care? since the japanese community can use this feature we are the one at fault for them. sadly it's not like this that it work, when you introduce a feature that are only aim to a small part of the community sooner or later you will hit a wall.

more and more people are complaining about the states of the game, but do it change anything? no. that the same for the race or jobs thread.... they almost don't care, i'm maybe rude, but that how we can see the states of the forum recently. but don't worry is not only about the english forum, french forum too have some thread where people gather them mind about stuff and are simply well ignored.

it don't take that much time to answer this sort of thread...

Viera was a legitimate choice, outside fanservice, even if they are halfbeast humanoid, they are very different of viera and aura, they are generally taller and more elegant in them way to move. it will have been a very good add for FF14 to get an elegant race. because i'm sorry, but i don't see the elezen as elegant, they are more the noble one and i don't say it in the good side of the noble.

finally an important point, that need to be said, final fantasy franchise are a pure fanservice franchise, it was always like since almost the 3... every game did get the same monster even if they was different world, the cute stuff like chocobo or mog, even the summon was always used over and over and over. the jobs too was the same.

Asking for one of the most know race of the final fantasy franchise is natural at this point. plus they don't need to make it exactly the race of ivalice and adapt them to Eorzea. and yes, viera is one of the most know race, mostly because it's one of the race that was the most used in different game, the ivalice project did add a few game where the viera was shown. ronso and stuff like this are generally one game race, Vangaa are know as much, but they don't always please people eyes. not everyone have the capacity to identify themself to something beastly. that why this sort of race whatever the game are often one of the less played.

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Just curious, but if they're able to do Miqo'te ears, why not Viera ears? They can already do long ears with the Gold Saucer, maybe it's just because they can't throw ear socks over everything like they do with Miqo'te.

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To be fair the Ear Socks need to be stopped
Whoever on the design team thought that it was a good idea (ESPECIALLY for cloth armor) needs to be /scold-ed.

wish they added viera , lets hope the new expansion will add them