Final coil in duty finder

Due to the cutoff point of T5 and especially T9, theoretically the people DFing Final Coil know what they are doing. Course w.o proper comms it may be difficult.

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Originally Posted by Magis

Due to the cutoff point of T5 and especially T9, theoretically the people DFing Final Coil know what they are doing. Course w.o proper comms it may be difficult.

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Considering these fights are designed without voice communication, I am sure it is doable.. The japanese can do it, so why cant we?

Tbh if you dont have time , static is the way to go. It will take you less time to clear with static than in df...
With my previous static we cleared t6-12 with 2/3 full timers per week and without any voice chat (or very little comm) and most people working full time.

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Originally Posted by raelgun

Just gonna put this out there, there are people in my group that have families and with children of their own, my WOW guild had an average age of around 36 with many with professional jobs and families with multiple children.

It can be done and its all about how you timetable things which is no fault of the game as opposed to personal situation, if this causes them to spend less time with the game, naturally it will mean slower progression but thats the nature of the beast.

Should also note, we run for upto 2 hours 3 times a week and on T13.

2 hours isn't a great deal of time.

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

Half my old static had kids. They played after the kids' bedtime on weekends.

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The comment about kids wasn't meant to be exhaustive. It was inclusive. Having kids is just one example of something that might keep you from having a steady schedule where you feel you can commit to a static.

Some people can make it work. Others can't. That's really all there is to be said.

Greetings,

Similar to the adjustments we made to the Binding Coil and Second Coil of Bahamut, we're planning to make the following changes to the Final Coil of Bahamut in Patch 2.55:

• The weekly entrance restriction on entering all four turns of the Final Coil of Bahamut will be abolished.
• Players will be able to proceed directly to any turn of the Final Coil of Bahamut.
• Players will be able to enter the Final Coil of Bahamut via the Duty Finder with a full party.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Greetings,

Similar to the adjustments we made to the Binding Coil and Second Coil of Bahamut, we're planning to make the following changes to the Final Coil of Bahamut in Patch 2.55:

• The weekly entrance restriction on entering all four turns of the Final Coil of Bahamut will be abolished.
• Players will be able to proceed directly to any turn of the Final Coil of Bahamut.
• Players will be able to enter the Final Coil of Bahamut via the Duty Finder with a full party.

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Er... am I misunderstanding, or is the loot lockout staying? ._.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Er... am I misunderstanding, or is the loot lockout staying? ._.

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There was never a loot lockout. The limited ability to re-run a turn and get 0-1 chests based on how many people hadn't cleared it yet that week will not be a thing anymore after the patch because DF-based Coil has no progression saving.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

Hmmm doesn't mention loot. Just that the entrance lockout is gone.

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There was never a weekly loot lockout in coil, it was only a limited number of chests based on saved progression. No saved progression means no chest limit.

Lockout is gone!!! Time to farm my last few drops and hibernate until 3.0.


Edit: Hmmm doesn't mention loot. Just that the entrance lockout is gone.

Previously we were just locked out of a turn we already completed. The loot lock out started with Final Coil. My guess is they forgot to mention it, but it will also be removed.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

There was never a loot lockout. The limited ability to re-run a turn and get 0-1 chests based on how many people hadn't cleared it yet that week will not be a thing anymore after the patch because DF-based Coil has no progression saving.

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Yes, there was. Considering that the person who already cleared for the week could not get loot (or even see the 1 chest) that the non clearing members got, that is considered a lockout. Once a player passes a turn, he or she could not see a chest from that turn for the rest of the week (the non clearing members could, but not the past clearer).


Again, you are unable to get loot by repeating or going back in a turn after completion. The rest of the party (those who hadn't cleared or skipped that turn already) could. Please don't spread false information.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Yes, there was. Considering that the person who already cleared for the week could not get loot (or even see the 1 chest) that the non clearing members got, that is considered a lockout. Once a player passes a turn, he or she could not see a chest from that turn for the rest of the week (the non clearing members could, but not the past clearer). You are unable to get loot by repeating or going back in a turn after completion.

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others already said it, but that was based off of saved progression. with final coil in DF, there is no saved progression.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Once a player passes a turn

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There's no saved progression anymore, there's no such thing as "passing a turn for the week" once it switches to the duty finder system.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Yes, after it's put into duty finder this will be the case. I'm talking about her statement based on right now.

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Sorry for the confusion, I was merely trying to distinguish the fact that the current system is progression based rather than loot based, so talking about a "loot lockout" (akin to CT) doesn't make sense under the context of access via DF since the system now does not care if you got loot or not, it's just designed to limit the total number of chests to no more than 1 per 4 players.

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

others already said it, but that was based off of saved progression. with final coil in DF, there is no saved progression.

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Yes, after it's put into duty finder this will be the case. I'm talking about her statement based on right now.

Her comment was that there was never a loot lockout. There currently is.

People are confused about look lockout because other coils didn't start with the ability to help others go through while effecting the amount of loot that dropped for x run.

Basically since that above scenario is null and void with the upcoming patch it also means that the whole concept of loot dropped based on amount of players who already completed it that week is gone to so they most likely thought it goes without saying that if you are free to do final coil as often as possible then it should go without saying that loot is also a free for all.

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Originally Posted by Airget

People are confused about look lockout because other coils didn't start with the ability to help others go through while effecting the amount of loot that dropped for x run.

Basically since that above scenario is null and void with the upcoming patch it also means that the whole concept of loot dropped based on amount of players who already completed it that week is gone to so they most likely thought it goes without saying that if you are free to do final coil as often as possible then it should go without saying that loot is also a free for all.

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Exactly. People making it harder than it needs to be. Free loot farm for everyone! And free attempts at dps scores if you like to try that out too.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

There was never a loot lockout. The limited ability to re-run a turn and get 0-1 chests based on how many people hadn't cleared it yet that week will not be a thing anymore after the patch because DF-based Coil has no progression saving.



There was never a weekly loot lockout in coil, it was only a limited number of chests based on saved progression. No saved progression means no chest limit.

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I did T13 multiple times last week. Could only lot on the first 2 chest. While its not a WoD type lock out, its a lock out.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

I did T13 multiple times last week. Could only lot on the first 2 chest. While its not a WoD type lock out, its a lock out.

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I see what you're saying and was thinking the same thing at first, but consider the logistics of putting FCoB in the DF and keeping that loot lockout. It would either have to match all first time clears or inadvertently penalize people for using DF. Imagine on your first clear for the week you're paired with 5 people who already cleared that week. No loot for you and you'd have no way of knowing until the boss was killed (unless people told you they cleared).

Not only does SE not want to create these sort of very frustrating situations, it would probably be even more frustrating to program the system to work that way. As such, there's almost certainly no more loot restrictions.

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Originally Posted by Nutz

I see what you're saying and was thinking the same thing at first, but consider the logistics of putting FCoB in the DF and keeping that loot lockout. It would either have to match all first time clears or inadvertently penalize people for using DF. Imagine on your first clear for the week you're paired with 5 people who already cleared that week. No loot for you and you'd have no way of knowing until the boss was killed (unless people told you they cleared).

Not only does SE not want to create these sort of very frustrating situations, it would probably be even more frustrating to program the system to work that way. As such, there's almost certainly no more loot restrictions.

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Currently it does tell you how many people cleared for the week before you enter. But yes your point makes sense.

So does that mean Poetic weekly cap is going to be removed as well?

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Originally Posted by Arkista

So does that mean Poetic weekly cap is going to be removed as well?

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I would love that to happen, but probably not.

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Originally Posted by FyrmurlFloerasksyn

I would love that to happen, but probably not.

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If they're going to remove WoD loot lockout, there's really no reason not to.

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Originally Posted by FyrmurlFloerasksyn

I would love that to happen, but probably not.

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I really don't see why they would remove the lock out for ilvl130 gear on a raid and not do the same for tome gear. There was no mention of it. We still have 3 months. Guess We'll just have to burn some raids.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Some jp guy parsed load stone data for the final coil pet [...] and as low as 5% on NA/EU servers. The data on loadstone shows it was 5 to 10 % of the playerbase beat final coil.

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And >50% of them are bougth kills. I see so many ppl with "The Final Witness" that are playing really bad.

Just put it in the DF; if you don't want to run Final Coil in the Duty Finder don't queue for it.

Simple.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

And >50% of them are bougth kills. I see so many ppl with "The Final Witness" that are playing really bad.

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Just because you have the final witness title doesn't mean you have to play good all the time. It really only means you pay attention to coil. For example I have the title and if I am feeling lazy i go in wod on my low ilvl whm just cast medica 2 a bunch and nothing else really while I watch tv.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

And >50% of them are bougth kills. I see so many ppl with "The Final Witness" that are playing really bad.

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I really doubt that the number of bought T13 kills is that high.

There aren't many groups willing or able to pull a T13 carry off at the moment, and the price of such a carry is astronomically high.

Its more likely that the 'Final Witness' players you see doing badly just aren't taking the content as seriously as they do when raiding. Or are possibly drunk!

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Originally Posted by AxelDH

I really doubt that the number of bought T13 kills is that high.

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On Odin the number of sellers is not low. The number of buyers too.

I'm just repeating what I was told in this but I'm hearing that when you buy a clear in fcob from ehhhhhhhhh ew clear sellers they have you give them your account info because no one can be carried in fcob because of the way it was designed where every one needs to do their roles. And its against the tos to share account info. This ends what iv heared.

On another note I think since this is the last big patch they doing before 3.0 and is why they doing this so it is both a good thing but also bad in a way.

To be off topic now it's almost that time of year people beware of Square Enixs April fools prank.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

On Odin the number of sellers is not low. The number of buyers too.

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Well that may be so, but... you said >50% of people?

How many groups with T13 clears would you say are offering carries?

Lets imagine its as many as 1 in 10... This would mean that each carrying group would have to have carried at least 81 people for the 'over 50%' statement to be true. That's a heck of a lot of carrying!

And I doubt its as many as 1 in 10 groups!

They uncap the currency when a new form of currency is introduced? I wouldn't think poetics are going to uncap next patch...

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Originally Posted by AxelDH

How many groups with T13 clears would you say are offering carries?

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I don't know if every seller is organised like this. But from those who I know the structure is more like a fraction than a group. There is one that advertise the kills. If there is someone who wants to buy the kill, the advertiser begins to work through his list of players (they mostly have way more than one char on their account) to gather a group for that kill. Then the buyer get his kill.

Also it makes a difference, if the buyer wants loot or not. For kills without loot you can recycle chars that already have lockout.

A true carry would be impressive but doable. (buyer jumps into the wall) Lots of people have gotten their clear with 1 chest or 0 chest.

Our last sale where the buyer wanted a chest we had 3 new people clear. Only took 4 pulls or so. Plenty of capable people out there without a static.

So is the loot lockout for each turn for the week vanishing as well with 2.55?

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Originally Posted by Xyrius

So is the loot lockout for each turn for the week vanishing as well with 2.55?

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Yes. Farm on!

I don't even think it is possible to carry someone through Bahamut because we are always like 10-20 seconds from enrage when Bahamut dies. Having 1 person just dying and contributing nothing the whole fight will make you hit the enrage for sure. Having the buyer try to contribute will not end well because there are many ways they could wipe you. Not to mention dive bombs can pick their dead body so that would be fun too.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I don't even think it is possible to carry someone through Bahamut because we are always like 10-20 seconds from enrage when Bahamut dies. Having 1 person just dying and contributing nothing the whole fight will make you hit the enrage for sure. Having the buyer try to contribute will not end well because there are many ways they could wipe you. Not to mention dive bombs can pick their dead body so that would be fun too.

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It is possible. There are some incredible groups out there that have been farming Bahamut for a long time now and do it expertly. When you've been doing it a while as well, your gear matches the difficulty more and you find the leeway for the carry.
I know that one of the groups that sells T13 clears on my server is full of people who most likely wouldn't care if someone was dead on the ground for the entire fight. Their combined dps is insane.

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Originally Posted by PrimeEvilPanda

Wish they would make different levels of difficulty in the DF (NM, HM, EXtreme) like other MMO's (TERA comes to mind and if you've played that, it you know it has more mechanics geared for moving targets, etc.), rather than nerf it after the fact.

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Please no. This is developer laziness at it's worst. "Oh instead of creating new content, I'll just have a
(o) Nerf, 0.01% low-drop-rate reward, that is still vendor trash, you can probably solo this.
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( ) Normal, rare-drop, that everyone will farm this tier anyway.
( ) Hard, where the dungeon compensates for the power-creep and everything has 10x the HP
( ) Extreme, where the dungeon over-compensates for the gear power-creep and everything is 100x"

Yet the content itself is the same, maybe some size/recolors. That's not "new" content, that's just the developer trying to correct for power-creep the cheapest way possible. FFXIV has levelsync, which gets rid of the need for this kind of excuse. Levelsync should probably be tightened up and apply to all existing content.

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Originally Posted by SinisterIsBack

The problem with coil in DF and why i'll never go back and try it is that people cant be bothered to at least watch a video first. They wait and hope they get carried through it.

Sorry, you're not breaking my back.

If you excuse for not watching a video is "I want to experience it" ... well then.. experience it with a preformed first.

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That doesn't work at all. If you want to experience it, go into the DF, and when the party wipes the third time, and the vote is to abandon, you abandon it. The next time around you'll already know what to expect. There are so few people trying Coil you'll get the same people, repeatedly.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

Clearing T5 and T9 in DF is so rare for one simple reason, the mentality to Vote Abandon/Leave after a few wipes. You don't really get a chance to practice when someone calls a Vote Abandon after a few wipes and if it fails, that person will leave, after one person leaves, the rest follow. If people stayed the full timer, people would actually get practice on it and the DF clears for these duties would increase.

Of course there are stupid players out there, but there are a lot of people who could clear them if they could get the practice.

Why would you want FCoB in DF (other than unlocked loot) when every turn will be just the same as T5 and T9 until nerfed? The group coordination required in FCoB atm is too strict for DF.

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What should be required is that all Turns are unlocked in the same way the cutscenes are unlocked. Once you pass it once, it remains unlocked. This would still require a "duty roulette" mode for Coil because nobody does the non-farmable stuff.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

If you think players are downing turns "by watching Mr Happy" (one of the worst guides currently available) then you're spitting on all the statics who spend days, sometimes WEEKS mastering each mechanic.

i tend to help people out with things like weekly clears. But I put a LOT of time into perfecting my rotation on both tank and DPS. I do think that it will be clear able through DF, but people are going to need nerfs+learning.

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Mr.Happy's guides are kinda terrible because they make assumptions that just aren't true for DF. You are never going to get a perfect group. If by some chance you got all BLM's and no BRD's it's going to be a mess.

It's probably better for everyone if the content never gets nerfed and instead put incentives to replay the content, levelsyncing/ilevel sync everyone to the weakest player in the group. That would also incentive actually being properly geared before attempting hard content. Unfortunately the right-hand-side of the gear is more heavily weighted than the left-hand-side. So someone might just hit a minimum ilevel requirement by having level 120/130 accessories when a left-hand-side gear would be more beneficial in terms of actual defense.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I don't even think it is possible to carry someone through Bahamut because we are always like 10-20 seconds from enrage when Bahamut dies. Having 1 person just dying and contributing nothing the whole fight will make you hit the enrage for sure. Having the buyer try to contribute will not end well because there are many ways they could wipe you. Not to mention dive bombs can pick their dead body so that would be fun too.

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There's probably room for improvement in your static. Rotations, positioning and moving, equipment, food and potions...

But yeah, I get your point.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I don't even think it is possible to carry someone through Bahamut because we are always like 10-20 seconds from enrage when Bahamut dies. Having 1 person just dying and contributing nothing the whole fight will make you hit the enrage for sure. Having the buyer try to contribute will not end well because there are many ways they could wipe you. Not to mention dive bombs can pick their dead body so that would be fun too.

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We 7man t13. Its possible.

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Mr.Happy's guides are kinda terrible because they make assumptions that just aren't true for DF.

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I highly, HIGHLY doubt such guides are made with randomly-formed DF groups in mind. That's not really a fair critique.