Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

not this random race that not a single soul asked for.

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Quite a few people asked for something along the lines of Hrothgar, actually. Myself included.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

not this random race that not a single soul asked for.

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Today I learned.. I have no soul.. ;(

Feels bad man.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Quite a few people asked for something along the lines of Hrothgar, actually. Myself included.

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In the same group eh, let's be friends! lol. Together we will find our souls :D.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I'm also wondering why everyone wants specifically male Viera barring "hrothgar" when we know neither what male Viera or "hrothgar" look like. It seems that some of the community want little cute male bunnies and some want strong looking males like in the concept art. If we get a strong looking race that isn't a bunny, is it the lacking of the ears that will make people angry? Because I mean, they look like elezens with ears in most of the art people are throwing out there.

Edit: and then what happens with the people who want the cute version? I mean someone's gonna lose no matter what.

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Unless they heavily use the clan of Viera then I imagine someone will felt a bit lost out, which seems unlikely with the description being the very same as the one from Tactics universe and we know from that one the clan difference is skin color (basically).

Definitely whatever they do is not going to appease someone, I would suggest making both genders for both races would appease the most amount of people though :3

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Quite a few people asked for something along the lines of Hrothgar, actually. Myself included.

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To be fair, we don't really know what they'll be like. Only that they have manes (?) .

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

To be fair, we don't really know what they'll be like. Only that they have manes (?) .

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I mean, if everyone has been thinking it'll be "Ronso" or "Lion race" and have been getting hyped up for that, that's kind of the same.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

In the same group eh, let's be friends! lol. Together we will find our souls :D.

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Sure! We're both on the same server, anyway! ;)

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

Because I asked for Viera not Hrothgar. I wanted bunny males regardless of size, not this random race that not a single soul asked for. Also because gender locks are a stupid and lazy decision and I would STILL be here asking fo female Hrothgar if it was male-only Hrothgar revealed.

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I don't think gender locks are lazy because either way they're creating the same amount of gear, poses, etc one for male one for female of whatever race is there. If anything it's the opposite of lazy because they'd have to come up with more lore to include this new surprise race in the game. If it's stupid is maybe accurate, if only because they're going to bring the same crowd that got upset over no male bunny suits + more to their doors with pitchforks and torches.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

Because I asked for Viera not Hrothgar. I wanted bunny males regardless of size, not this random race that not a single soul asked for. Also because gender locks are a stupid and lazy decision and I would STILL be here asking fo female Hrothgar if it was male-only Hrothgar revealed.

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This is a weird statement to make, especially since people have been linking the old "new" race poll for Heavenward to show that Viera (demi-beast) races are popular. Yes, demi-beast (mammal + reptile) and new options (included mixed races) for the old races were most popular; however, there is 14% of people who voted that would play some sort of beastmen.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Today I learned.. I have no soul.. ;(

Feels bad man.

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In the same group eh, let's be friends! lol. Together we will find our souls :D.


Unless they heavily use the clan of Viera then I imagine someone will felt a bit lost out, which seems unlikely with the description being the very same as the one from Tactics universe and we know from that one the clan difference is skin color (basically).

Definitely whatever they do is not going to appease someone, I would suggest making both genders for both races would appease the most amount of people though :3

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Man, if you have been reading my responses you know I have absolutely nothing against beast-like races like Ronso or Bangaa (both of which would be awesome). But no, no one has been asking for Hrothgar since they were just named last week.

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Originally Posted by Wolfyboy

This is a weird statement to make, especially since people have been linking the old "new" race poll for Heavenward to show that Viera (demi-beast) races are popular. Yes, demi-beast (mammal + reptile) and new options (included mixed races) for the old races were most popular; however, there is 14% of people who voted that would play some sort of beastmen.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

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I never said beastman. I said Hrothgar, which is a completely random race. If it were Ronso or Bangaa that were leaked, this wouldn't even be an argument that was happening. I would assume that Hrothgar aren't going to be similar to either, because if they were just Ronso... couldn't they just name them Ronso? Hrothgar are a huge gamble considering they are a completely new race that have no build-up and no concept art to go along with. We can make estimations on what male Viera would look like since we have seen female Viera and concept art, but the only thing we know for sure about Hrothgar is that they have manes. They could just as easily be a super short pony race with poofy hair as they could tall, bara cats.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I don't think gender locks are lazy because either way they're creating the same amount of gear, poses, etc one for male one for female of whatever race is there. If anything it's the opposite of lazy because they'd have to come up with more lore to include this new surprise race in the game. If it's stupid is maybe accurate, if only because they're going to bring the same crowd that got upset over no male bunny suits + more to their doors with pitchforks and torches.

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Giving us Hrothgar instead of male Viera would be cheating me out of my money. As cool as some people may find it, another cat race is not what the game needs right now. Viera are what was hyped up all this time and that is what we are entilted to. Hrothgar is an entirely different race, and can never be equivalent to male Viera in my eyes since they don't look the same and have a completely unknown story. What is truly lazy is writing out an entire gender of a race, which in no way, shape, or form will be well received by the community. They deserve rage and pitchforks if they reveal Hrothgar instead of male Viera at the fanfest.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

Man, if you have been reading my responses you know I have absolutely nothing against beast-like races like Ronso or Bangaa (both of which would be awesome). But no, no one has been asking for Hrothgar since they were just named last week.



I never said beastman. I said Hrothgar, which is a completely random race. If it were Ronso or Bangaa that were leaked, this wouldn't even be an argument that was happening. I would assume that Hrothgar aren't going to be similar to either, because if they were just Ronso... couldn't they just name them Ronso? Hrothgar are a huge gamble considering they are a completely new race that have no build-up and no concept art to go along with. We can make estimations on what male Viera would look like since we have seen female Viera and concept art, but the only thing we know for sure about Hrothgar is that they have manes. They could just as easily be a super short pony race with poofy hair as they could tall, bara cats.

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You're correct, I always assume a lion simply because Blufever's leaks have been pretty accurate. Although, we don't know the exact information he was going on.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

Giving us Hrothgar instead of male Viera would be cheating me out of my money. As cool as some people may find it, another cat race is not what the game needs right now. Viera are what was hyped up all this time and that is what we are entilted to. Hrothgar is an entirely different race, and can never be equivalent to male Viera in my eyes since they don't look the same and have a completely unknown story. What is truly lazy is writing out an entire gender of a race, which in no way, shape, or form will be well received by the community. They deserve rage and pitchforks if they reveal Hrothgar instead of male Viera at the fanfest.

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Lmao, yay you used entitled. At least you accurately called yourself out. It is in no way cheating you out of anything because they never promised male Viera. But good job being ridiculous. I have been in the "don't care either way" camp, and only came in here to call out absurd arguments and see what people were saying, but you single-handedly made me interested in the outcome because now I want to see what you do in late March. I'll be bookmarking this post to keep an eye out :)

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

They deserve rage and pitchforks if they reveal Hrothgar instead of male Viera at the fanfest. [/B]

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That would not benefit your cause in the slightest.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

Lmao, yay you used entitled. At least you accurately called yourself out. It is in no way cheating you out of anything because they never promised male Viera. But good job being ridiculous. I have been in the "don't care either way" camp, and only came in here to call out absurd arguments and see what people were saying, but you single-handedly made me interested in the outcome because now I want to see what you do in late March. I'll be bookmarking this post to keep an eye out :)

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Male Viera released then/unlockable in later patches? I keep paying my subscription and preorder Shadowbringers.

No Male Viera at all? Kiss me goodbye.

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Originally Posted by Wolfyboy

You're correct, I always assume a lion simply because Blufever's leaks have been pretty accurate. Although, we don't know the exact information he was going on.

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I am on the Blufever hype train as well. I'm excited for these Hrothgar, as critical as I am about gender locks since I do love Ronso and he said they were close to Ronso. To say I wasn't would be lying. But, it still doesn't change the fact that if they are gender-locked, it's pretty damn lame for both sides.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

Lmao, yay you used entitled. At least you accurately called yourself out. It is in no way cheating you out of anything because they never promised male Viera. But good job being ridiculous. I have been in the "don't care either way" camp, and only came in here to call out absurd arguments and see what people were saying, but you single-handedly made me interested in the outcome because now I want to see what you do in late March. I'll be bookmarking this post to keep an eye out :)

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Maybe the rage will morph him into a Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

Giving us Hrothgar instead of male Viera would be cheating me out of my money. As cool as some people may find it, another cat race is not what the game needs right now. Viera are what was hyped up all this time and that is what we are entilted to. Hrothgar is an entirely different race, and can never be equivalent to male Viera in my eyes since they don't look the same and have a completely unknown story. What is truly lazy is writing out an entire gender of a race, which in no way, shape, or form will be well received by the community. They deserve rage and pitchforks if they reveal Hrothgar instead of male Viera at the fanfest.

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Hahahaha "Cheating you out of your money?" You are either a troll bent on stirring up trouble here or absolutely sickeningly entitled.

First and foremost, you pay for a service by your own choice and you do not own any part of it. SE is not obligated to cater this game to your standards and in return you can literally stop playing it whenever. Each time you pay your sub you are CHOOSING to accept the terms and conditions of what they are providing with this service and therefore are not getting cheated but willingly going along with it. You tell a company how you feel with your wallet.

Getting another new race is a bonus/blessing when they did not have to spend dev dollars on it at all. Especially considering they've been telling us how difficult it is to add in another race.

Entitled, ridiculous, ungrateful players are what make this entire community toxic.

SE if you see this, thank you for new races at all! Ignore the trolls!

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

Male Viera released then/unlockable in later patches? I keep paying my subscription and preorder Shadowbringers.

No Male Viera at all? Kiss me goodbye.

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Yeah right. 100% will be here regardless of if there is male viera or not lol.

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Originally Posted by ErysNight

Entitled, ridiculous, ungrateful players are what make this entire community toxic.

SE if you see this, thank you for new races at all! Ignore the trolls!

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I see no reason to be grateful for getting the opposite of what I want out of the game. Me being honest about my opinions is not the same thing as being toxic. SE, if you see this and give us Hrothgar instead of male Viera, I won't come back to FFXIV and you'll lose my support for 2 years until the next expansion after Shadowbringers comes out.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

Male Viera released then/unlockable in later patches? I keep paying my subscription and preorder Shadowbringers.

No Male Viera at all? Kiss me goodbye.

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Uh-huh, sure. I hate Au Ra (more so because of the concept art where they looked way more interesting) and Viera (been against them for longer than Au Ra), yet here I am. Still playing this game. I've probably made threats of unsubbing if I didn't get what I wanted, but clearly that was a lie (I've learned to deal with the fact that if I want to play as something that isn't a human, I'll have to wait for SE to release beastmen/monster glamours that aren't joke glamours).

Only time I ever stopped subbing to this game was when I got bored.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

I see no reason to be grateful for getting the opposite of what I want out of the game. Me being honest about my opinions is not the same thing as being toxic. SE, if you see this and give us Hrothgar instead of male Viera, I won't come back to FFXIV and you'll lose my support for 2 years until the next expansion after Shadowbringers comes out.

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It is 100% one thing to be honest with your opinion and abrasively delusional about how business transactions work. Not to mention you have no logical factual basis behind anything aside from (Wah... but i want it). Toddler style.

First - You pay for a service. You don't own this IP, it's development or anything else of that nature. You make a choice to spend your dollars to support a company. If you don't like it, you are completely within your right to unsub and that's how it should be. Getting on a public forum and using terms like "cheating you out of your money" because you're not getting exactly what you want? That isn't logical. That's absurd. That is entitled. It is disgusting.

Second - Let's talk about where your entitlement stemmed from? Nowhere. SE did not reveal male viera, they did not promise you male viera. They did not make a pact with your saying it's going to happen. In fact when asked, Yoshi noted that he did not have anything to say on it and that there is a fanfest in March.

So you are here, slandering a company, over a made up thing that you want, when there has been no business commitment to give it to you.

It's 100% not what you're saying that's the issue. It's how you're saying it that makes you incredibly toxic. Entitled, ridiculous, toxic, toxic, toxic.

I had a whole paragraph typed more, but am deleting it because I mean... there is no reason why the dev team wouldn't tell us about Male Viera at EU fanfest if a whole second race was coming in Japan. Logically it wouldn't make sense to have all these angry bunnybois considering I'm sure they see this small vocal minority (Most of the guys in this game play girl characters btw) and would want to avoid that ire. There is even an article from 6 years ago saying that male bunnybois would be weird. So I feel 99% certain there are no male viera coming.

So since you're probably not getting Male Viera and that feels like justice enough for all these shenanigans. :) Don't forget to unsub!

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

I see no reason to be grateful for getting the opposite of what I want out of the game. Me being honest about my opinions is not the same thing as being toxic. SE, if you see this and give us Hrothgar instead of male Viera, I won't come back to FFXIV and you'll lose my support for 2 years until the next expansion after Shadowbringers comes out.

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I feel that you're in the right to do so. I do find the comment about bringing rage and pitch forks at the developers to be extreme though. Square honestly has lost quite a bit of subscription time from me because I felt I rather play WoW with plenty of race choices that I like then FFXIV with no races I've grown attached too (Yes, even Roe), if BfA wasn't my cup of tea I'd be still playing WoW right now as my main game.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Uh-huh, sure. I hate Au Ra (more so because of the concept art where they looked way more interesting) and Viera (been against them for longer than Au Ra), yet here I am. Still playing this game. I've probably made threats of unsubbing if I didn't get what I wanted, but clearly that was a lie (I've learned to deal with the fact that if I want to play as something that isn't a human, I'll have to wait for SE to release beastmen/monster glamours that aren't joke glamours).

Only time I ever stopped subbing to this game was when I got bored.

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Eh, I don't think it's fair to bring up your own anecdote in an attempt to minimize his own feelings/opinions about this. I'm on the same boat that I would be upset if SE decides to not give us male Viera and go the gender-lock route, but I don't exactly agree with the whole "pitchforks and rage" sentiment. He's entirely in his right to unsub if he wants to.

Eh, I mean pitchforks and all that will happen regardless.
Though if we want to get anywhere with them - if there is a gender lock of course - we just start a thread, give support and do it in a manner that is both respectful and insightful. I won't unsub if we don't get Viera; I'll be disappointed but I'll still play and just stick as Hyur, or fantasia if Hrothgar looks acceptable.

I will still give support for male Viera and ask for it to be added; I might complain if the story in the Greatwood area is hindered by the lack of their guardians, but that's for reviews. They've listened before regarding genderlocks, I'm hopeful and optimistic they'll listen this time to add them in - even if it's extremely late. Though I hope it doesn't come to this.

In the end, I'm using this thread to vent and speculate; I find it fun.

So, as I will do what we English are known for. Write a well thought out polite letter - in this case, a thread or a response to one already made - and hope they take note. xD -shrug-

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I feel that you're in the right to do so. I do find the comment about bringing rage and pitch forks at the developers to be extreme though. Square honestly has lost quite a bit of subscription time from me because I felt I rather play WoW with plenty of race choices that I like then FFXIV with no races I've grown attached too (Yes, even Roe), if BfA wasn't my cup of tea I'd be still playing WoW right now as my main game.

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Honestly, that's how it's supposed to be. I've felt/done similarly when there was a lull in FFXIV and other services were better at the moment. I really really didn't like HW but I figured a setting would come around that I did like so I stuck it out. I didn't throw tantrums but that's exactly how it's supposed to go. If you don't like it, move on.

These developers are real people. Like flesh and blood people slaving away to make this experience for us. The pattern of a small vocal minority getting on the OF and demanding blood when they don't get exactly what they want is insanity. There is no empathy or compassion here. I bet if people made a respectful petition over the course of Shadowbringers to get male viera and had like player "Signatures" in the form of decent comments asking for it, SE would have caved. There is case after case of them giving the players what they want and actually listening to us. But to jump off this deep end? And lash out at the team that works around the clock for us?

Disgusting. That behavior is disgusting.

I am firmly in the "don't care either way camp" but until today I've been documented saying I think it would be silly not to have male viera just on principle. But now? Nah.

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Originally Posted by Serenno

Eh, I don't think it's fair to bring up your own anecdote in an attempt to minimize his own feelings/opinions about this. I'm on the same boat that I would be upset if SE decides to not give us male Viera and go the gender-lock route, but I don't exactly agree with the whole "pitchforks and rage" sentiment. He's entirely in his right to unsub if he wants to.

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It's more of a "I find it hard to believe you would unsub from this game unless you're bored of it, or disagree with the gameplay changes SE make" (PvP being one example). Unsubbing because a race won't have a male version is silly to me, especially if you like everything else about the game (assuming he still enjoys the game and no male Viera is the only reason he would unsub).

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

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100% Agreed. I'll be heavily disappointed if they decide to go the genderlock route and in doing so completely write out a whole gender of a race whose home we're going to be visiting. On both principle and the fact that that part of the story might take a bit of a hit depending on how they handle that..but regardless I want to trust in SE that they made (or will make) these choices with their playerbase (and their requests) in mind.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

It's more of a "I find it hard to believe you would unsub from this game unless you're bored of it, or disagree with the gameplay changes SE make" (PvP being one example). Unsubbing because a race won't have a male version is silly to me, especially if you like everything else about the game (assuming he still enjoys the game and no male Viera is the only reason he would unsub).

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Nope. Male Viera or I leave. Race customization matters differently to everyone and I hope that at some point you eventually do get your beastman race, but right now the focus needs to be on releasing Viera without a genderlock. That's the major thing attracting me about this expansion and failing to deliver that means I'm putting this game on hold, since it wouldn't be different from other mmorpgs that genderlock key things like races and classes.

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Originally Posted by ErysNight

I had a whole paragraph typed more, but am deleting it because I mean... there is no reason why the dev team wouldn't tell us about Male Viera at EU fanfest if a whole second race was coming in Japan. Logically it wouldn't make sense to have all these angry bunnybois considering I'm sure they see this small vocal minority (Most of the guys in this game play girl characters btw) and would want to avoid that ire. There is even an article from 6 years ago saying that male bunnybois would be weird. So I feel 99% certain there are no male viera coming.
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I think you're being nasty here for no reason. Did you ever consider that female viera are just further along development wise because they needed to get the model ready for Fran, and that is why they didn't show the men yet? And when asked about male viera, we were told to wait for Japanese fanfest. There was no dismissal. If they knew we weren't going to get male viera they would have said something to that effect when they showed the female viera.

Not to mention they have already given us lore for the m viera. They could have just as easily made viera a female only race like the galka from FF 11, but they didn't. They made a point to explain the role of men in viera society. If they thought "male bunnybois" were too weird to include, they wouldn't have worked them into the game at all.

I think we're getting male viera regardless, the question is just a matter of when. That's why hrothgar have made the situation so confusing.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

Eh, I mean pitchforks and all that will happen regardless.
Though if we want to get anywhere with them - if there is a gender lock of course - we just start a thread, give support and do it in a manner that is both respectful and insightful. I won't unsub if we don't get Viera; I'll be disappointed but I'll still play and just stick as Hyur, or fantasia if Hrothgar looks acceptable.

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I think this is most people here. I'm not known for using kind words as I always sound more heated than I really am, but really I'm not so incensed I'm going to drop my sub and demand Yoshi-P lick my boots. I would be very disappointed in him, as more evidence stacks up that he can't separate business from his personal taste (that "weird" bunny comment really gets to me), but I still really admire the man and his creative team.

I'm so excited for Shadowbringers. I love female Viera. I'm sure I will love Hrothgar (provided they aren't just Miqo'te with bigger muscles). I play the game for more than my character's looks, but that is still a very important part of the game for me. I'm still allowed to express my distaste for gender-locks on anything and any race.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I think you're being nasty here for no reason. Did you ever consider that female viera are just further along development wise because they needed to get the model ready for Fran, and that is why they didn't show the men yet? And when asked about male viera, we were told to wait for Japanese fanfest. There was no dismissal. If they knew we weren't going to get male viera they would have said something to that effect when they showed the female viera.

Not to mention they have already given us lore for the m viera. They could have just as easily made viera a female only race like the galka from FF 11, but they didn't. They made a point to explain the role of men in viera society.

I think we're getting male viera regardless, the question is just a matter of when. That's why hrothgar have made the situation so confusing.

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Lol, nothing nasty about being truthful. Your line of thinking is just as backwards as everyone else who is praying for male Viera. There's no way they're so far behind in development when it is being released in June that they couldn't show ANYTHING or say ANYTHING when it came to them. Yoshi was being purposefully coy about waiting for the JP fanfest because he's always coy about things. The lore thing definitely leads to the hint that they're LESS likely to be made a playable race than more. We might get male Viera at some point, but I honestly think anyone who is looking with clear eyes and not hopefuly eyes sees that the clues point to a certain conclusion. And to spell it out, it's that they aren't making male Viera for 5.0.

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Lol, nothing nasty about being truthful. Your line of thinking is just as backwards as everyone else who is praying for male Viera. There's no way they're so far behind in development when it is being released in June that they couldn't show ANYTHING or say ANYTHING when it came to them. Yoshi was being purposefully coy about waiting for the JP fanfest because he's always coy about things. The lore thing definitely leads to the hint that they're LESS likely to be made a playable race than more. We might get male Viera at some point, but I honestly think anyone who is looking with clear eyes and not hopefuly eyes sees that the clues point to a certain conclusion. And to spell it out, it's that they aren't making male Viera for 5.0.

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He wouldn't be coy about something if the answer is just going to be a straight "no", he's not like that. There would be no point in giving people false hope like that. Do you think Yoshi wants to alienate fans? Give a neither yes or no answer to something only for the answer to just be "no" in the end? That isn't good publicity for him.

Nothing in the lore makes them less likely either. Sure, they're rarer than the females? So are male miqote and they're playable. If they didn't want male viera in the game, they wouldn't have established them to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I think you're being nasty here for no reason. Did you ever consider that female viera are just further along development wise because they needed to get the model ready for Fran, and that is why they didn't show the men yet? And when asked about male viera, we were told to wait for Japanese fanfest. There was no dismissal. If they knew we weren't going to get male viera they would have said something to that effect when they showed the female viera.

Not to mention they have already given us lore for the m viera. They could have just as easily made viera a female only race like the galka from FF 11, but they didn't. They made a point to explain the role of men in viera society. If they thought "male bunnybois" were too weird to include, they wouldn't have worked them into the game at all.

I think we're getting male viera regardless, the question is just a matter of when. That's why hrothgar have made the situation so confusing.

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I don't know if you've had the chance to see any of the panels or listen to how the dev team operates over the years... but 5.0 is pretty much done in terms of "what content is going to be included at lauch" and the art team is already working on 5.1. (Source Art Panel from EU Fanfest)

Viera, showcased by the Art team, would have been designed by them first. The idea that Male Viera is behind on development isn't logical with the factual information we have from the team as recently as last month. When the main person that was responsible for creating the viera concept art for the girls we are getting said she's already working on 5.1 things. That is a pretty big indicator.

But what's more? Yoshi openly tells us when he wants to show us things but they weren't ready in time. The new Savage series hit a snag and Yoshi told us flat out he wanted to show us but couldn't (Source Fanfest). So why wouldn't they just tell us that when they have a habit of being honest with us?

Having an opinion, being dissapointed in not getting something is 100% ok. But when you bash a dev team that has shown us time and time again they are doing what they can for us, with the resources they are given by even bigger SE and bashing them over and over in 160 pages of the OF? Nah, that's ridiculous entitled behavior.

It's ok to think you're getting something. As noted in the posts you probably didn't read. I am a firm believer that if the people asked in a decent way that we would get it eventually. As we did with the male bunny suits. But it's not ok to just be complete monsters about it to the team that can read these threads and works hard for us with the resources they are given.

Have compassion. Be a decent player base.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

He wouldn't be coy about something if the answer is just going to be a straight "no", he's not like that. There would be no point in giving people false hope like that. Do you think Yoshi wants to alienate fans? Give a neither yes or no answer to something only for the answer to just be "no" in the end? That isn't good publicity for him.

Nothing in the lore makes them less likely either. Sure, they're rarer than the females? So are male miqote and they're playable. If they didn't want male viera in the game, they wouldn't have established them to begin with.

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You're reading into his response, what you want from it. He can't speak about the male counterpart because it's sanctioned for release at the JP fanfest. That's not him saying "Oh Male Viera are on the way for sure". If anything that's odd behavior and it's super weird already they didn't address it out right. That is not hope, it's an opinion that people have that is morphing into entitlement.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

He wouldn't be coy about something if the answer is just going to be a straight "no", he's not like that. There would be no point in giving people false hope like that. Do you think Yoshi wants to alienate fans? Give a neither yes or no answer to something only for the answer to just be "no" in the end? That isn't good publicity for him.

Nothing in the lore makes them less likely either. Sure, they're rarer than the females? So are male miqote and they're playable. If they didn't want male viera in the game, they wouldn't have established them to begin with.

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It makes WAY more sense that he didn't say "there will be the male Viera reveal at jp fanfest!" because there will be something different that's a surprise rather than because he's trying to hype up a male Viera reveal. Like seriously, look at it clearly now. And the lore saying they're rare and that you would be hard-pressed to see one definitely sounds more like it's less likely to be playable to me than more likely to be playable. But maybe I'm just looking at it too logically. It's not a comparison between miqote and Viera lore, it's a comparison of given this lore for male Viera, what option sounds like the more obvious conclusion. I'm not saying that it's saying they absolutely won't be playable, I'm just saying that it's not saying that they are absolutely going to be playable and if anything it sounds less likely.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

Lol, nothing nasty about being truthful. Your line of thinking is just as backwards as everyone else who is praying for male Viera. There's no way they're so far behind in development when it is being released in June that they couldn't show ANYTHING or say ANYTHING when it came to them. Yoshi was being purposefully coy about waiting for the JP fanfest because he's always coy about things. The lore thing definitely leads to the hint that they're LESS likely to be made a playable race than more. We might get male Viera at some point, but I honestly think anyone who is looking with clear eyes and not hopefuly eyes sees that the clues point to a certain conclusion. And to spell it out, it's that they aren't making male Viera for 5.0.

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To be fair, the female Viera we've seen all have the same face and don't even have unique animations since they use Au Ra female stuff. What we've seen is Fran's body with different hair styles and different colors. That being said, I also find it very hard to believe they are BARELY now starting to make Viera 5 months before expansion, unless they have a large amount of people crunching time on them. The combination of female Viera clearly not being close to done despite being 5 months away from ShB and the radio silence on males is what is making people confused. Add some accidental Hrothgar and its a recipe for disaster where no theory is more right or wrong than anyone else's just because there is a lot of conflicting evidence.

Also, I typed out a thing earlier to you responding to why I think gender lock is lazy but I accidentally deleted it. tl;dr it's like game designers can't think of anything else but hot girls and hulking men. To me, artistically it's lazy as they can't breach their comfort zone. Almost like they do with female primals. Notice how all female primals are hot girls in costumes while a large majority of the male ones are monsters? They even hid Lakshmi's tail for some reason. Strange. SE please give me monster girls.

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Originally Posted by ErysNight

I don't know if you've had the chance to see any of the panels or listen to how the dev team operates over the years... but 5.0 is pretty much done in terms of "what content is going to be included at lauch" and the art team is already working on 5.1. (Source Art Panel from EU Fanfest)

Viera, showcased by the Art team, would have been designed by them first. The idea that Male Viera is behind on development isn't logical with the factual information we have from the team as recently as last month. When the main person that was responsible for creating the viera concept art for the girls we are getting said she's already working on 5.1 things. That is a pretty big indicator.

But what's more? Yoshi openly tells us when he wants to show us things but they weren't ready in time. The new Savage series hit a snag and Yoshi told us flat out he wanted to show us but couldn't (Source Fanfest). So why wouldn't they just tell us that when they have a habit of being honest with us?

Having an opinion, being dissapointed in not getting something is 100% ok. But when you bash a dev team that has shown us time and time again they are doing what they can for us, with the resources they are given by even bigger SE and bashing them over and over in 160 pages of the OF? Nah, that's ridiculous entitled behavior.

It's ok to think you're getting something. As noted in the posts you probably didn't read. I am a firm believer that if the people asked in a decent way that we would get it eventually. As we did with the male bunny suits. But it's not ok to just be complete monsters about it to the team that can read these threads and works hard for us with the resources they are given.

Have compassion. Be a decent player base.



You're reading into his response, what you want from it. He can't speak about the male counterpart because it's sanctioned for release at the JP fanfest. That's not him saying "Oh Male Viera are on the way for sure". If anything that's odd behavior and it's super weird already they didn't address it out right. That is not hope, it's an opinion that people have that is morphing into entitlement.

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There would be no reason to leave the question open if he knew we weren't getting male viera then. That just doesn't make sense. Yoshi wouldn't want to intentionally gaslight people into thinking male viera is possible if they weren't. They were showcasing the female viera and if a trait of the viera race was that it was going to be female only, they would have said that instead of leaving it in the air.

You're making assumptions about the meaning of his words just as much as anyone else in this thread. At the end of the day, all we can do is wait for Japanese fanfest. But from following the way Yoshi has talked about things in the past, it isn't like him to be vague about something like this if the answer is going to be something negative. He'd be direct if he knew it was something people cared about.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

To be fair, the female Viera we've seen all have the same face and don't even have unique animations since they use Au Ra female stuff. What we've seen is Fran's body with different hair styles and different colors. That being said, I also find it very hard to believe they are BARELY now starting to make Viera 5 months before expansion, unless they have a large amount of people crunching time on them. The combination of female Viera clearly not being close to done despite being 5 months away from ShB and the radio silence on males is what is making people confused. Add some accidental Hrothgar and its a recipe for disaster where no theory is more right or wrong than anyone else's just because there is a lot of conflicting evidence.

Also, I typed out a thing earlier to you responding to why I think gender lock is lazy but I accidentally deleted it. tl;dr it's like game designers can't think of anything else but hot girls and hulking men. To me, artistically it's lazy as they can't breach their comfort zone. Almost like they do with female primals. Notice how all female primals are hot girls in costumes while a large majority of the male ones are monsters? They even hid Lakshmi's tail for some reason. Strange. SE please give me monster girls.

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Exactly. The female viera don't even look that finished and they were the models they had to start earlier to make Fran for the 24 man raid. The waters about all this stuff is too muddled to make sense of right now. Not to mention that the data files seem to indicate that Hrothgar were in development before the Viera were to begin with, which is very puzzling.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

There would be no reason to leave the question open if he knew we weren't getting male viera then. That just doesn't make sense. Yoshi wouldn't want to intentionally gaslight people into thinking male viera is possible if they weren't. They were showcasing the female viera and if a trait of the viera race was that it was going to be female only, they would have said that instead of leaving it in the air.

You're making assumptions about the meaning of his words just as much as anyone else in this thread. At the end of the day, all we can do is wait for Japanese fanfest. But from following the way Yoshi has talked about things in the past, it isn't like him to be vague about something like this if the answer is going to be something negative. He'd be direct if he knew it was something people cared about.

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I really don't have a leg in this race though in order to read into it. Look at it from a clear unbiased perspective. It really makes zero sense not to reveal male viera at the same time. Aura wasn't split up between two fanfests.

He is documented in an article saying that they know people want viera and are looking into it but males would be weird so maybe another race and we now have a name Hrothgar and a leaker that has been 95%+ accuracte saying we are getting two new races.

Logically if there were males it makes no sense to not tell us asap. You also ignored everything about the art team and development. So ok, you can pick and choose what you want to respond to.

We shall see in a month and a half.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

To be fair, the female Viera we've seen all have the same face and don't even have unique animations since they use Au Ra female stuff. What we've seen is Fran's body with different hair styles and different colors. That being said, I also find it very hard to believe they are BARELY now starting to make Viera 5 months before expansion, unless they have a large amount of people crunching time on them. The combination of female Viera clearly not being close to done despite being 5 months away from ShB and the radio silence on males is what is making people confused. Add some accidental Hrothgar and its a recipe for disaster where no theory is more right or wrong than anyone else's just because there is a lot of conflicting evidence.

Also, I typed out a thing earlier to you responding to why I think gender lock is lazy but I accidentally deleted it. tl;dr it's like game designers can't think of anything else but hot girls and hulking men. To me, artistically it's lazy as they can't breach their comfort zone. Almost like they do with female primals. Notice how all female primals are hot girls in costumes while a large majority of the male ones are monsters? They even hid Lakshmi's tail for some reason. Strange. SE please give me monster girls.

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I mean if anything a male Viera would fit the mold they already have creatively, though. Like if they're lala-viera types that would be somewhat different than what we already have but otherwise it's the same type of humanesque model with an animal part. If anything, a lion type of burly beastman would be the different type creatively.

Edit: also I don't know what trailer you guys were watching but unless I'm blind, they didn't have all the same faces.

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Originally Posted by ErysNight

I really don't have a leg in this race though in order to read into it. Look at it from a clear unbiased perspective. It really makes zero sense not to reveal male viera at the same time. Aura wasn't split up between two fanfests.

He is documented in an article saying that they know people want viera and are looking into it but males would be weird so maybe another race and we now have a name Hrothgar and a leaker that has been 95%+ accuracte saying we are getting two new races.

Logically if there were males it makes no sense to not tell us asap. You also ignored everything about the art team and development. So ok, you can pick and choose what you want to respond to.

We shall see in a month and a half.

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Like I said, if the female viera barely look finished then I can understand the male viera just not being ready to show either. There is obviously something strange going on with the viera, and until I get confirmation that there won't be any playable males, I don't buy it. Yoshi has said in the past he doesn't like genderlocked races. Why would he bring them back for the males of a race that already have design work done and ingame lore prepared? We've already been shown art for male viera in the past. If he thought they were weird at one point, he must have gotten over it or those designs would have never happened.

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Originally Posted by ErysNight

I am firmly in the "don't care either way camp" but until today I've been documented saying I think it would be silly not to have male viera just on principle. But now? Nah.

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So you're rescinding that comment/support, because of some people that are a bit extreme in their hypothetical dissatisfaction?

I know people have their reasons to want/not want/feel neutral about various content, but I think the worst reason is to deny people out of pure spite. You may feel good about making unreasonable people feel bad, but for those that are being reasonable about the topic, it feels petty. It's like people that want the genderlock, simply because BLU is limited, and they want someone else to suffer too (and I personally know people that have that opinion).

Either way, genderlocks aren't something I agree with, but in the end we still have to wait and see.