If you think W*'s housing is impressive, try Rift's dimensions... @.@ Nothing will ever compare. I do agree, it's shameful how little attention Squee has paid to the actual content of their housing system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatestorm
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01-06-2014, 02:51 AMNaunet
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01-06-2014, 03:14 AMPinworms
Ffxiv arr just fell behind in the housing department when compared to wildstar and rift housing....
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01-06-2014, 07:40 AMAbriaelNot a fan of Rift's dimensions to be honest. While the single dimension is great, the fact that they actually lack a "neighborhood" kind of turns me off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naunet
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01-06-2014, 07:53 AMDark-Saviour
Neghborhoods lost their appeal to me when
1) I realized just how claustrophobic and limited the zones were.
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B) It became evident the interior of houses are instanced.
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01-06-2014, 08:30 AMAbriaelThe world itself has plenty of land to explore. I'd still rather have the neighborhoods. They're not enormous, but they're nice to form some nice little communities, which RIFT really lacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark-Saviour
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01-06-2014, 11:36 AMNaunetEh, the dizzying heights of creativity you can reach (as opposed to having to use basic cookie cutter homes and standard decorations), not to mention how fantastic they are as RP hubs, waaaay makes up for the individual instancing of dimensions for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
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01-06-2014, 06:09 PMHECYou apparently suffer from lack of reading comprehention - I've said NO relevant reply to this thread (in this thread indeed) ... First two links are uselless as the price "reduction" scheme doesn't solve anything and simply acts as stalling tactics - nothing else, last link is totally irelevant to housing. The request here was simple (and totally ignored) - cut the prices 10 times and unify it across servers - not that proposed crap after slow decrease. Anyway - I've voted with my wallet already and I'm not extending my sub anymore and I've gifted my spare time cards (4x 60 days) to someone less bothered fighting with the windmills. I'm tired of the arogance with which Yoshi and SE is treating us but most of all of all the whiteknights here defending him. Are you TOTALLY blind? Can't you see this WILL affect you even if you don't care about the (pricing of) housing in particular? Can't you see the crashing economies on all servers because of this? If not - then you're really shortsighted - unhappy and leaving players means less money, less or delayed content, early demise of the whole company - is that really acceptable for you??Quote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
In regards of your pathetic "zero effort" comment - you can kiss my lower behind!! I was saving EVERY SINGLE GIL for 3 months towards housing, not spending ANYTHING at all (no teleports, no repapirs, no gear or crafting mats purchases), working REALLY really hard every single day 8 - 10 hours and until the patch notes release date I've considered myself fairly wealthy player accumulating about 10 - 20 times more than average player at the same time just to find out that Yoshi decided to F us all up and that I can't afford even the doorknob for the house my small FC was looking for. So - please - stop using this nonsese argument here. If you're not bothered about the housing or it's pricing - good for you - but stop puting (incorrect) words to other's people mouth, thank you.
Oh - BTW - found the email from SE today inviting me to do some customer questionaire about ARR - haven't checked it yet but might have a look and give them some unhappy responce about house pricing if that would be possible in some free format comment field there - you might consider the same ... -
01-07-2014, 01:25 AMAmnesiaHaze
i almost forgot housing exists and doing other stuff, its so of reach even trying to save 10% of a house seems impossible
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01-07-2014, 03:04 AMReinheart
If you walk into Limsa's housing area without any houses, it kinda looks like a grave yard lol
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01-08-2014, 06:52 AMDoctorgalactic
Bump. Just because it's not being addressed doesn't mean it's not on our minds.
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01-08-2014, 07:03 AMRoris
It's only housing beta phase 1, phase 3 will fix it just give them even more and more time.
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01-08-2014, 03:08 PMDox"Beta" Housing? Time will tell, but until then grinding away for Gil for our FC house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roris
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01-09-2014, 05:58 PMHEC
Without any hope of getting a proper solution to this or even any no-fob-off answer but we should not give up and try to keep this thread alive ...
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01-09-2014, 06:04 PMJadi
I think part of the problem is on Legacy servers there appears to be a lot more gil than there actually is. You all remember Ceaderwood RMT bots? They ran 24/7/365 for the lifespan of 1.0 and that gil that they generated is sill there. It makes it appear that there is more gil on the server than there actually is. On my server last time I looked there were 3 houses sold period. It's been a month since the content was released.. since you have so many empty wards already created I'm gonna take a guess and say you expect them to fill up some? Well... the wards are 99% empty. I think it's safe to say you got something wrong.
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01-09-2014, 08:13 PMArkhamNative
Remember that the prices were set so high to prevent housing plot sales. It wasn't to make them affordable after months of gameplay, but months of gameplay beyond the 4 months (or for Legacy, beyond the over the 2 years) already played.
Internally SE knows how many houses their current capacity can handle. It's probably more than 5 per world (or whatever the current sales number is), but is likely less than a small number like 30.
Friday Legacy housing prices drop by 12.5%, the second of many steps of the "Legacy World price plummet" program, but later in January prices across all worlds will be "re-evaluated". This is where we will see how much SE wants more sales. The few sold may make them lower pricing significantly, though they also don't want a rush of purchases that will overload capacity. -
01-09-2014, 08:25 PMZohnoReecho
I don't get why housing should be something that you can get in 1 month.
But also I don't get how you, when the prices will be halved, won't be able to get an house with your FC.
And don't reply with "half my FC doesn't wanna work to buy it"; then you should rework your priorities as FC. If they don't want it then don't buy it.
I halfassedly sold few things in the market, gathered stuff here and there, from treasure maps to random crafts done to level up a bit my DoH jobs (and you can check on the lodestone how "high" they are), and I gathered around 500K gil since the update (based on what I currently have, so excluding repairs, teleports, food etc.), considering holidays in between. If i wanted to, probably, I could have gathered maybe 30-50% more than that.
Unless you are going for the biggest shinier house, your FC is doing it wrong if you cannot gather enough money for when the prices will be lowered.
not going to read 159 pages of posts that can be summarized as "please give us cheaper houses, we don't wanna waste time over this"Quote:
Originally Posted by HEC
just out of curiosity, how much would be "fair" for you for the various kinds of houses?
Yoshida said that legacy servers prices will fall towards tier 3 prices and in the end they will match them. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...44#post1685344Quote:
Originally Posted by Gesser
So they will cost half of what is in that table, even cheaper compared to what you said.Code:Fifth-class Plot Fourth-class Plot Third-class Plot Second-class Plot First-class Plot
Small 8,000,000 8,500,000 9,000,000 9,800,000 10,000,000
Medium 30,000,000 31,875,000 33,750,000 35,625,000 37,500,000
Large 100,000,000 106,250,000 112,500,000 118,750,000 125,000,000
I think Yoshida already said that Legacy servers prices are going down, so what's your excuse to whine now? Find one quickly before your whinemeter goes down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roris
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01-09-2014, 10:41 PMHECYou've aparently replied to this thread without reading a SINGLE vaulauble (20+ likes) post here ... I'd not even bother to argue with people like you - please go back and read a few highly rated posts to UNDERSTAND what is the whole fuss about.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
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01-09-2014, 11:54 PMEekikiShh...this is "not relevant" according to the whiners in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArkhamNative
Except the "highly rated" (as if that means something) posters have carefully spun their words so they could claim that isn't what they're saying even though it obviously is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
What the OP didn't tell you is that he is the one and only person in his FC, and that's his main beef. He is upset because he can't get a FC house all by himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArkhamNative
That 17k estimate was only taking daily quests and duty roulette bonuses into consideration. In my experience, the amount of gil you get from doing that stuff is considerably higher (I generally end up with over 30k if I run all my roulettes as the in-demand role). But that doesn't take into account things like treasure hunts. A group of 8 people, presumably from the same FC, and each with a peisteskin map, can bring in a substantial amount of gil with every character earning over 1,000 gil for each chest (and on some occasions over 5,000). Multiply that amount by 64 and you can see it's not much trouble for a single person to earn over 100,000 gil every day without even touching the market boards if they have a group of dedicated friends to work with. And if you don't have a group of dedicated friends, no amount of game redesigning is going to fix that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArkhamNative
If only it was as simple as "preparing their servers"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Talynia
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01-10-2014, 01:33 AMArkhamNative
The OP (with over 700 likes) expressed disappointment he wouldn't be in a house by Christmas (~2 weeks). So I can see where some people would assume the thread is about "give us our house now". In actuality, it's less about "whiners" and "white knights" than all that.
The gist of the thread is that housing prices were set too high. And within 2.5 days (on Dec 17), Yoshi-P himself responded (with over 200 likes) to say yes, that is correct, that prices were set high to prevent rapid purchases and will be coming down (faster than the slow ticking 6-hour price decreases of 0.14%). 10 days later SE posted they they will be slicing half a zero (divide by 5) off of the highest legacy world pricing. And by the 3 month countdown, it will be a full zero sliced off those housing prices. So many may think there's not much left to argue about.
But... what's a fair price? Yoshi-P says the game can provide ~17k/day. Let's say 4 days a week is a fair expectation for most active players. That's 272k/month. I say players shouldn't give 100% to the cause, and of course they have individual expenses (repair, gear upgrade, etc.), so call it 50% to the FC. Roughly estimating, I say houses are currently sized for 15/50/100 people. Multiply to get 2M/7M/14M gil earned in a month for S/M/L housing.
Even at 2 months that's not enough for the 5M/20M/66M that the cheapest S/M/L prices will have ticked down to. (Does SE price houses for 20/80/250 member FCs?) Finally, I would say housing is worth maybe 1.5 months of work. So that would put the 6-week prices at 3M/10M/20M. If SE continues with their 3-month countdown scheme, that makes housing start at about half of group 3 pricing. That would be starting prices of 4M/14M/28M that trickled down to half that over 3 months. That seems fair based on the amounts of gil the game doles out.
TL;DR: 4M/14M/28M. :) -
01-10-2014, 02:04 AMTalyniaNot everyone gets lucky on the market board even when they are doing everything they can to make money off of it. When I put in the effort I can make money easily, other people in my FC can put in the same effort and not be so lucky. Not sure why but that is just the way it goes really.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
Housing could have been handled a lot better. When I look at what Wildstar is doing with their personal housing and what Rift has done with their dimensions and then look at what SE is doing to their housing market I can't help but question the quality of the devs working on this game. I feel the devs are so worried about RMT and the fact that they keep improperly planning for what their servers can and cannot handle that it is just limiting the use of features the game has.
No one is asking for the big mansion on the hill the first day. That should be reasonably expensive and something to work towards whether it be free company or personal housing. Decorating the house should be a gil sink and when they release it, chocobo raising and building the airship should be as well. Getting the summoning bells, training dummies, etc. all of those should take time, effort, crafting, and gil.
Another issue is we are lacking more information from the devs about what each sizes of the houses can do. Will only the large houses be able to build airships? Will each plot be able to support chocobo raising? Will I be able to raise chocobos in my personal house, fc house, or both? You cannot tell me that they have been working on housing for over a year and some of these details are not already decided. Also, the more I think about it the more I wish the devs would have just waited to release housing and released it chocobo farming. I think another problem is right now all you can do is decorate the house and hangout there with your FC. This adds another reason pricing is so high because with only so much to do with housing if all the plots were being bought on a much more regular basis, gil still wouldn't be leaving circulation as fast as SE would probably like and people would be twiddling their thumbs after a month or two until the next major housing patch.
It's a forced limitation because SE didn't plan their server capacity properly once again. If they wanted us to wait 3 months for housing then they should have just released it in 2.2 after they made the proper adjustments. Putting it behind a wall that requires that long of grinding and saving is serving to frustrate a part of the playerbase, not encourage it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
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01-10-2014, 02:08 AMGesser
I think:
Small - 8-10 million
Medium - 16-20 million
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01-10-2014, 02:11 AMRoris
Don't mind me just waltzing in this thread giving a completely wrong and uninformed opinion. Oh what's that, some servers have to pay more? Well I say that's completely and totally fair, you're just lazy because all your FC doesn't want to spend time making at least 500 mil for a fifth tier large house while I happily sit in my server that only has to pay 50 mil. Your server clearly has more money so it should be taxed accordingly, nevermind a lot of that money came from the Atomos exploit and RMT that went completely unpunished during 1.0 because a sub is a sub and every bit counted towards ARR right?
Pfft such entitlement, why do you even need a large house anyway a small house is fine who cares if it's just an inn room that can only fit 60 people max, a house is a house. Besides if a server has to pay more because they have more money then it's totally obvious every player on that server has at least 50 mil even after ARR slashed 1/10 off everyone's gil, because big numbers mean everyone has big numbers, my logic has no flaw, I dislike reading and being proved wrong.
Who loves Final Fantasy? I love Final Fantasy! -
01-10-2014, 02:18 AMAmnesiaHaze
houses are too expensive , i will never see one from inside , which is kinda sad :/
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01-10-2014, 02:24 AMMageBlack
It seems like some of you think these prices will never ever change unless we complain enough. It will go down, relax. I'm more interested in personal housing anyway. The way I see it is this is sort of the Housing Beta. They are trying out housing to see how servers handle it and so on. Once they have an idea of what to expect, they will unleash the hounds. I do feel terribly bad for those who didnt get a house out the gate so they could claim "First" though.
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01-10-2014, 04:00 AMTalyniaI respect your opinion but I slightly disagree. I am not paying for a beta. They have all of the information they need and have had time to properly prepare their servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MageBlack
For me, patience isn't the issue. When I pay my sub I expect bug fixes and continued content. Along the way I completely understand that there will be hiccups and bumps that delay things. Certain things though are NOT acceptable. If you have raw data and the main thing you use as a selling point for an upcoming feature is the housing is instanced and as more lots are bought more instances of those neighborhoods will be made to accommodate the needs of the player base and then turn around and tell me the servers can’t handle it I will voice my displeasure.Quote:
Originally Posted by MageBlack
If the devs would have delayed the housing part until 2.2 just because of the servers I would have understood, annoyed as well, but understood they needed more time. Instead we have excuses of RMT, not wanting all the plots to be taken up, and server capacity issues. When they were having trouble with the instance servers they made adjustments. I’m noticing a trend with SE and their servers… hmm… moving on.
Launches are always terrible, always. The game is new, shiny, and a ton of people are trying to log in to play, or buy the game, or download the game if they forgot to do it the night before, or patch, and its understandable why launch week is crazy because there are so many things going on. Yoshi also admitted that even with the presale numbers, early access, and beta numbers he decided to be more on the conservative side with server capacity on launch.
I’m lazy so I’m just going to leave this here.
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Originally Posted by Talynia
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01-10-2014, 04:17 AMMageBlackI understand how you feel, "i'm paying therefore I should have access." remember though that they started ARR off in the red, very far in the red and with the previous failure they didnt initially expect things to take off like they did as was evidenced with their launch. They had planned out their patches and content delivery around the numbers and thought that it would take a while to gain subscribers. They are having to make adjustments as they go now. If having restricted housing like it is now is what they need to do to make sure we dont have a repeat of the launch month, then I'm willing to be patient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Talynia
Maybe patience isnt something we all have in spades, we are living in the twitter generation after all. Where everything should be instant, accessible, and in short easy to digest bursts.
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Also there are still features and systems we dont yet have in the game, like the golden saucer, chocobo raising, personal airships, etc. We are paying for the full game right? Maybe they should have just left the game shut down until they could have generated enough content and features to make this look and feel like a game that has been polished for 10 years? -
01-10-2014, 05:28 AMTrystWildkey*eye roll*Quote:
Originally Posted by MageBlack
Seriously? Patience would be called for if we were wanting a feature that has been promised for 'future development.' Patience in this situation is not called for. This is not a 'coming feature' that we're seeing sneak peeks of, this is a CORE element of patch 2.1. Companies that have saved gil since launch have already been patient and have already been saving gil in expectation of this CORE element of the patch. To be told after the official release of the content, that you'll have to be patient and wait longer because some other players have a crap-ton of gil is unreasonable. -
01-10-2014, 05:36 AMCYoung187I don't think 5 houses per server is giving them much of a test. Only thing they are testing is their customers patience, and how to crash an economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MageBlack
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01-10-2014, 06:06 AMMageBlackThen remove housing entirely until all functions and aspects are ready. Better to have nothing rather than something, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrystWildkey
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01-10-2014, 06:07 AMTrystWildkeyYes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MageBlack
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01-10-2014, 06:07 AMEekikiAnd you say the devs are the ones being unreasonable. >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by TrystWildkey
But it isn't out of reach. There are FC's with houses. And did you read what I posted above? Earning money is not difficult. Even a small FC can easily save up close to three quarters of a million gil a week with only a few hours a day focused on earning money. With the way prices are dropping, that will get you a medium sized house in 2-3 months. And that's if you're starting from zero gil. It is absolutely within reach.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrystWildkey
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01-10-2014, 06:10 AMZumiYou can go inside someone elses house as long as they are open to the public and a lot of people open theirs to the public so they can show it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmnesiaHaze
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01-10-2014, 06:17 AMTrystWildkeyYes. I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
Housing was presented as a core feature of 2.1.
Core features are expected to be accessible after you have fulfilled the requirements. Be that leveling, gearing or saving gil.
Releasing housing and putting different gil requirements per server is unreasonable. Especially when there is a magnitude of 10 difference between Player A's price on server group one, and my price on Durandal.
If everyone's prices were the same, but astronomical, this topic would be different. The reason there is so much outrage is the sheer magnitude of the pricing difference between server groups. Is this so difficult a concept to understand that people are STILL saying we are whining?
"But, housing prices are scheduled to decrease." you say. So what? It's a nice gesture, but that's all it is, a gesture. We still can't access the content, we still don't know what will happen when they 're-evaluate' the pricing, so we still don't know how long we're going to be locked out of a CORE feature because of the actions (gil stockpiling) of a very few number of players.
Durandal, in the most expensive server group, has ONE house. ONE. And it's a small sized house. Where are all these players with the crap-ton of gil who have effectively prevented the rest of us from accessing this core feature? -
01-10-2014, 09:14 AMReinheart
JP side is still on going about this topic as well, and many have awoken and now asking the question "So what is good about housing anyways? Is there any merit? You buy a land, house, and furniture... decorate... and...? wait till 2.2? Why even purchase now then when it doesn't have any use."
Also I see posts such as "Alright so you're going to have a free to play weekend for players that left, what are we supposed to show these players in 2-3 days? New dungeons they can't really enter till they complete some FATE and other requirements? Oh, I hope to god they don't go check out the housing area, it's not because there isn't any housing, but it shows the cost of the land at zone... I'm sure that's just going to kill their interest even more and quit longer..." -
01-10-2014, 09:23 AMJynxWas this a pun on the new patch title "A Realm Awoken?" If so hillarious and poingaint!Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinheart
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01-10-2014, 09:27 AMPinworms
Housing could be the best thing ever, or the worst...it's everything the devs are making it out to be. They need to go big or go home, and there isn't a lot of "big" ATM for housing except the price tag. Reinheart your pretty much right. I really hope SE doesn't let everyone down in the end like they have so far in regards to housing.
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01-10-2014, 11:45 AMArkhamNativeAssuming they're not trying to sell their gil to people for real-world money? They were told by Yoshi-P himself, the day the housing went live, that the price of the biggest plot (Limsa #05) was going to be reduced by half a billion gil. Half a billion.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrystWildkey
Exactly. If housing had enabled a feature, given a buff, opened content (even lol content like a secret "cow dungeon"), there would be some reason to buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinheart
Also, it's not like one gilzillionaire could buy the big house anyway. Someone with "over 100 million gil" is only 15% of the way to purchase price. So it would take many. But how much would someone give away to buy someone else a house? If 50% (50 million gil), it would still take 10 of the world's richest to combine to buy that one house. That was never going to happen. -
01-10-2014, 03:52 PMDoxSo true. It's hard to build up interest for those who may return for the free weekend when I myself am losing interest in FC Housing and really don't run the new dungeons with exception of Crystal Tower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinheart
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01-10-2014, 03:56 PMZumi
I wonder what they are going to do with personal housing. Is it going to be in the same area only now individuals can purchase a house or we going to get new zones for personal housing.
The cost of this is so unaffordable on legacy servers there are only 3 houses total in the entire server. Did SE not want many people to use the feature because they didn't want to set up extra wards for the housing if every FC could afford one. -
01-10-2014, 07:51 PMTaekrys
I will give an advice to whoever likes housing and it's playing with the purpose of making it affordable and try it.
Instead than paying ~36 euros (or dollars?) until the prices gets right, stop your Subscription (like I did) till prices are halved and only then get back into the game.
So you stockpile actual money instead of gils and in three months, you will save more than half the actual prices.
If you get lucky, SE will understand the huge mistake and give a further discount to reel the players back in.
I will stop paying on 15th of this month. I suggest you do the same.