Stop waiting for cutscenes in alliance raids. We never did this in Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

You guys are being a bunch of Randalls, person didnt even do it yet (I assume)

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Report “behaviour”. That’s the key word. Not going to log in right now and report that specific poster for something they said on a forum.

Will report anyone exhibiting the practice of not participating, regardless of reason, but especially for white knighting / virtue signalling

I just tell the group that I'm gonna grab a drink while people are watching the cutscene. Then I go get a drink. If you wanna report me for staying hydrated, go for it, but I've yet to visit the Gaol over it.

Man, this brings me back to the 2.0 Castrum/Praetorium days.

My response is pretty much the same as it was back then:

I value the experience of any one new person over that of the rest of the group, who have likely run X or Y raid a bunch of times, so I'd rather wait.

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

Man, this brings me back to the 2.0 Castrum/Praetorium days.

My response is pretty much the same as it was back then:

I value the experience of any one new person over that of the rest of the group, who have likely run X or Y raid a bunch of times, so I'd rather wait.

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This + it tells you which people are noobs so it can help with things like choosing dance partners etc
Also you can start making bets in your head about which of the cutscene watchers are going to die on mechanics (especially the super trollish ones like mustardio's analysis) and then laugh when they do

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

Man, this brings me back to the 2.0 Castrum/Praetorium days.

My response is pretty much the same as it was back then:

I value the experience of any one new person over that of the rest of the group, who have likely run X or Y raid a bunch of times, so I'd rather wait.

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Noooooo you’re holding up the entire raid you can view the cutscenes in the inns i have to be somewhere!!

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

I value the experience of any one new person over that of the rest of the group, who have likely run X or Y raid a bunch of times, so I'd rather wait.

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This is the core of the issue to me right? we as society in general value things that can only be experienced once more than repeated experiences, and that's what makes cutscene watchers more valuable than everyone else.

Lemme paint a scenario, let's say you are somewhere you can't leave, like an office job, just doing routine things that don't exactly need full focus, and there are 5 people in there, there was this new super popular show that everyone has been watching, and 4 out of those 5 people have watched the show and are super excited about it, the 5th haven't because of time constraints and they still intend to watch it once they can, those 4 people want to discuss the show among themselves, but assuming they know of the 5th's situation, they will refrain from doing so, because they don't want to spoil the 5th's experience, you are unquestionably putting one person's enjoyment above the other four, but their first experience is considered intrinsically more valuable and thus it is respected.

This is the same for cutscenes, there are elements that get glossed over, a cutscene watcher may feel pressured in skipping the cutscene because the game notified them that the battle has started and that puts them in the mindset that they need to be there(personally, it took me a long time to train myself that if the battle starts, I should just sit that out until I am done), they may miss a few battle quotes that are part of the whole experience, they may want to take the entire fight in because that's part of the narrative, those are all elements that we respect because we respect first experiences more, and doing anything that may negatively impact that first experience is bad as a result, it's also the entire reason we have unskippable cutscenes in Praet, because the devs themselves are respecting the potential first experience more than everyone else's repeated experience.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

Lemme paint a scenario, let's say you are somewhere you can't leave, like an office job, just doing routine things that don't exactly need full focus, and there are 5 people in there, there was this new super popular show that everyone has been watching, and 4 out of those 5 people have watched the show and are super excited about it, the 5th haven't because of time constraints and they still intend to watch it once they can, those 4 people want to discuss the show among themselves, but assuming they know of the 5th's situation, they will refrain from doing so, because they don't want to spoil the 5th's experience, you are unquestionably putting one person's enjoyment above the other four, but their first experience is considered intrinsically more valuable and thus it is respected.

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This is a very silly example. The four could simply ask that fifth person to put on headphones or they could discuss it in a different room or via some private text chat. This wouldn't effect the fifth person out at all and still allow them to have their discussion. Force starting the fight while someone is in a cutscene is different. As you said, it pressures them to skip the cutscene to actually enjoy the fight for their first time. These two scenarios are non comparable imo.

I always wait for people to enjoy the CS. We all started somewhere and I hate this rush rush mentality. I just take a minute play with my cats or chat or whatever, it does not bother me to wait.
I wish people would not make people feel bad about CS watching. I remember years ago I would skip them to not hold up a group but that was a long time ago, I will watch them now. Let people enjoy the game life is short ^O^

You only get one chance to experience a story the first time. I'm still years later upset my first run through the Praetorium was full of people in silly outfits talking about wanting to perform sexual acts on Cid and rushing me through the content. Felt like it completely killed any amount of hype that section of the story had, so I can understand people wanting to watch cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

You only get one chance to experience a story the first time. I'm still years later upset my first run through the Praetorium was full of people in silly outfits talking about wanting to perform sexual acts on Cid and rushing me through the content. Felt like it completely killed any amount of hype that section of the story had, so I can understand people wanting to watch cutscenes.

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I had a similar experience the first time but it's not what killed the hype there for me. It was the awful monologues

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

You only get one chance to experience a story the first time. I'm still years later upset my first run through the Praetorium was full of people in silly outfits talking about wanting to perform sexual acts on Cid and rushing me through the content. Felt like it completely killed any amount of hype that section of the story had, so I can understand people wanting to watch cutscenes.

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Bit of a different situation between old prae and alliance raid cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

You only get one chance to experience a story the first time. I'm still years later upset my first run through the Praetorium was full of people in silly outfits talking about wanting to perform sexual acts on Cid and rushing me through the content. Felt like it completely killed any amount of hype that section of the story had, so I can understand people wanting to watch cutscenes.

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Respectfully, I think these are pretty unreasonable complaints lol. That's just people harmlessly enjoying the game differently than you. I'm sorry to hear it ruined your experience, but this is an MMO, and most people don't coordinate their glams for roulettes.

And frankly, if they didn't want us to be so horny for Cid, they should've designed him differently. ʅ（´◔౪◔）ʃ

Best solution is to keep the barrier up till everyone is out of cutscene mode.

And if were talking about boss encounters have the cutscene play right before the barrier and have it be lifted once everyone in the group is out of cutscene.


This doesnt have to be some hard moral dilemma guys

I always pull in 24man content if I'm tanking, regardless of cutscenes. They can watch it later or join the fight once they've finished. And the hell is with this historical revisionism? I remember distinctly back in the days of ARR and HW that people pulled all the time regardless of cutscenes. I remember because I was once that sprout that had to skip cutscenes and watch them later. It was really no biggie.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

Not really. It's more a question of time efficiency. Letting that one person who pulled (and the few who joined them) die would add more time by having them come all the way back to that fight. Or they get raised with weakness debuff. I really do prefer when people wait for the newbies to watch the cutscene, but if it's already pulled then the ship has already sailed on that.

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You may prefer that but you clearly vastly prefer the "time efficiency" to newbies watching cutscenes. Revealed preference. I never trust stated preferences.

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Originally Posted by hunkygladiator

You may prefer that but you clearly vastly prefer the "time efficiency" to newbies watching cutscenes. Revealed preference. I never trust stated preferences.

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What you do matters much more than what you say.

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Originally Posted by hunkygladiator

You may prefer that but you clearly vastly prefer the "time efficiency" to newbies watching cutscenes. Revealed preference. I never trust stated preferences.

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Newsflash Dilbert, EVERYONE HAS PREFERENCES.

Thats how the world works.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Newsflash Dilbert, EVERYONE HAS PREFERENCES.

Thats how the world works.

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Doesn't seem like you understood the point at all.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

This is the core of the issue to me right? we as society in general value things that can only be experienced once more than repeated experiences, and that's what makes cutscene watchers more valuable than everyone else.

Lemme paint a scenario, let's say you are somewhere you can't leave, like an office job, just doing routine things that don't exactly need full focus, and there are 5 people in there, there was this new super popular show that everyone has been watching, and 4 out of those 5 people have watched the show and are super excited about it, the 5th haven't because of time constraints and they still intend to watch it once they can, those 4 people want to discuss the show among themselves, but assuming they know of the 5th's situation, they will refrain from doing so, because they don't want to spoil the 5th's experience, you are unquestionably putting one person's enjoyment above the other four, but their first experience is considered intrinsically more valuable and thus it is respected.

This is the same for cutscenes, there are elements that get glossed over, a cutscene watcher may feel pressured in skipping the cutscene because the game notified them that the battle has started and that puts them in the mindset that they need to be there(personally, it took me a long time to train myself that if the battle starts, I should just sit that out until I am done), they may miss a few battle quotes that are part of the whole experience, they may want to take the entire fight in because that's part of the narrative, those are all elements that we respect because we respect first experiences more, and doing anything that may negatively impact that first experience is bad as a result, it's also the entire reason we have unskippable cutscenes in Praet, because the devs themselves are respecting the potential first experience more than everyone else's repeated experience.

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Oh how we treasure the first experience of watching a monster shouting "RRAAAARRRAGHGHH" for 10 seconds

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Originally Posted by hunkygladiator

Doesn't seem like you understood the point at all.

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"I never trust preferences"

So you mean you dont even trust yourself?

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

"I never trust preferences"

So you mean you dont even trust yourself?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyiE_desGKs

Funny how you need to remove "stated" to make your inane point.

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Originally Posted by Luluna

I always wait for people to enjoy the CS. We all started somewhere and I hate this rush rush mentality. I just take a minute play with my cats or chat or whatever, it does not bother me to wait.
I wish people would not make people feel bad about CS watching. I remember years ago I would skip them to not hold up a group but that was a long time ago, I will watch them now. Let people enjoy the game life is short ^O^

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I had someone in LotA the other day apologize for being new and say they had intended to watch a video but the queue had popped faster than they expected on a dps. I told them not to ruin their experience because people were impatient.

C'mon people. Let's be good vets. Don't make new people feel bad like this.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I had someone in LotA the other day apologize for being new and say they had intended to watch a video but the queue had popped faster than they expected on a dps. I told them not to ruin their experience because people were impatient.

C'mon people. Let's be good vets. Don't make new people feel bad like this.

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Screen shots? I’m sure as you are an active participant in this conversation you’d see the relevance and think to save proof. Especially when using it as weight

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Originally Posted by Xirean

This is a very silly example. The four could simply ask that fifth person to put on headphones or they could discuss it in a different room or via some private text chat. This wouldn't effect the fifth person out at all and still allow them to have their discussion. Force starting the fight while someone is in a cutscene is different. As you said, it pressures them to skip the cutscene to actually enjoy the fight for their first time. These two scenarios are non comparable imo.

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I mean, sure, that specific example. But there's a reason why a teacher got their class to settle down by threatening spoilers for Game of Thrones worked. And other examples of other shows/movies like Endgame. And why the meme "too soon?" is a thing. Like it or not, there is a culture where spoiling or otherwise rushing someone to "do the thing because I already did it" is considered rude. And unfortunately in some cases SE has had to enforce watching because of rudeness.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Screen shots? I’m sure as you are an active participant in this conversation you’d see the relevance and think to save proof. Especially when using it as weight

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Why would they need screenshots? It's not exactly rare for someone to do an auto-translate "excuse me... This is my first time" followed by others with a "/welcome New Adventurer!" or a "Standing by".

Its just a few seconds most of the time. If you cannot be patient enough to let someone new enjoy the content of the game well... I dunno what to say. Just use that time to get ready for the battle, or do some cool emotes. And if you must be angry at someone, because once again it seems negativity trumps the idea of actually be considerate to other people, then be angry more at SE for adding longer scenes into combat raids.

The inn room exists. In it, you have the ability to watch almost any cutscene in the game. Use it, and stop wasting everyone else's time. Or if you can't/won't do that, use YouTube instead.

I don't mind new people coming in and not knowing the fights and whatnot. That's to be expected -- videos can only show you so much, you don't really know until you do. I'll gladly give you as much help as I am able. Just don't make me sit on my thumbs while you watch a bunch of cutscenes.

Not entirely sure what you mean by "we didn't do this in Stormblood". We still did back then. We waited and explained to new people. We made the "tryhards" ragequit because we were helping new people.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

Not entirely sure what you mean by "we didn't do this in Stormblood". We still did back then. We waited and explained to new people. We made the "tryhards" ragequit because we were helping new people.

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I do not think I have actually ever seen anyone in my years of play actually complain about people watching cutscenes. The only ones I have seen comment on it in-game are people in dungeons apologising for the wait, and the party members always replying with things akin to "Its OK, enjoy :)"

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

"I never trust preferences"

So you mean you dont even trust yourself?

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https://i.ibb.co/p4fMtDj/26wvib.jpg

Of course I don't trust me, I'm a jerk.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Of course I don't trust me, I'm a jerk.

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I trust you Mollusk

I am just a worthless liar
I am just an imbecile
I will only complicate you
Trust in me and fall as well
I will find a center in you
I will chew it up and leave
I will work to elevate you
Just enough to bring you down

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I am just a worthless liar
I am just an imbecile
I will only complicate you
Trust in me and fall as well
I will find a center in you
I will chew it up and leave
I will work to elevate you
Just enough to bring you down

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https://youtu.be/1T14eOUf-28

:3

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

I can't trust anyone who trust mollusk.

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We are all sisters here, we gotta trust eachother! Who are we to trust then? The outsiders?!

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

I trust you Mollusk

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I can't trust anyone who trust mollusk.

Waiting for a cutscene is the biggest meme ever. They are not even that important, it's basically the boss just telling you to piss off. Plus, whoever was watching it gets pulled into the arena anyway.

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Originally Posted by Karious

I always pull in 24man content if I'm tanking, regardless of cutscenes. They can watch it later or join the fight once they've finished. And the hell is with this historical revisionism? I remember distinctly back in the days of ARR and HW that people pulled all the time regardless of cutscenes. I remember because I was once that sprout that had to skip cutscenes and watch them later. It was really no biggie.

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Your experience is different then, not revisionism. Having played since 1.0, I have been in both groups. Ones that wait, ones that don't. I personally will be just fine waiting that 5 - 10 seconds.

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Originally Posted by hunkygladiator

Why do we allow one single person watching cutscenes to hold up the time of all 23 other people? We never used to do this in Stormblood, because guess what, you can watch the cutscene in the inn later by yourself.

Why is this now a thing? When did we suddenly get this influx of carebears?

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What the hell are you talking about.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I am just a worthless liar
I am just an imbecile
I will only complicate you
Trust in me and fall as well
I will find a center in you
I will chew it up and leave
I will work to elevate you
Just enough to bring you down

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I came for the popcorn, I stayed for the Maynard.

What maidenless behavior hath we fallen to now, I privy?....

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

I do not think I have actually ever seen anyone in my years of play actually complain about people watching cutscenes. The only ones I have seen comment on it in-game are people in dungeons apologising for the wait, and the party members always replying with things akin to "Its OK, enjoy :)"

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Once or twice I've seen someone pull out the "Just watch it in the inn" at a sprout and it does not go well for them in alliance chat at all.