Question for the people who don't dislike the 2nd relic step

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Because I'm a rather casual player with limited gametime who also plays several other games, one of which (Destiny 2) just launched an entire new expansion and is currently my "main" game while I enjoy playing thru that. When I come back around to FFXIV in a bit, this is a nice convenient step that'll let me pick up a couple relic weapons while doing basically whatever I want (read: enjoy most) in the game. Artificially long grinds aren't necessarily a good thing in my view.

Also, if your goal is to avoid a flame war, starting with "how in the world could anyone possibly like this?" seems either a brain-fart at best or disingenuous at worst.

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"I want to have everything, all the rewards, while playing another game as my main game and not playing FFXIV" is a TLDR of this as someone else mentioned

If anything your type of "casual" is the worst, you feel like you deserve everything because "I dont have time" while you are literally playing another game as your main game, but somehow you still deserve to have everything in a game you basically ignore, its actually pretty gross, and people like you give casuals a bad name.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

tl;dr "i want to not play and still get all the rewards"

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You know doing all the daily roulettes save for Mentor, Guildhests, and Frontlines can only get you around 800-900 Astronomy, right? He's having to play the game quite a bit to get one weapon done. Something you're likely aware of...but you're not arguing in good faith, now are you?

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

You know doing all the daily roulettes save for Mentor, Guildhests, and Frontlines can only get you around 800-900 Astronomy, right? That's not exactly not playing. But then of course, you're not arguing in good faith, now are you?

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Hunt trains get you 1500 in 2 hours if not less.

Not arguing in good faith are you?

Because after ARR the relic became kind of pointless and weaker, especially when you can get the tomestone weapon in much less time and for less grind, or even crafted weapons which you can pentameld. Heck I never finished my Minos Light Grind and I already a fully upgraded tomestone weapon by that time, so I gave up on it.

Sure, the final upgrade for the relic made it better than a tomestone weapon, and the stats are normally BiS so definitely can see the appeal, but by then you could get an upgraded tomestone weapon in MUCH less time and probably just as good as the relic (it's only 5 ilvl of difference in the end, and unless you raid I'm sure it barely matters). The whole relic grind wasn't worth it IMHO, it was just an incredibly grindy glamour to get.

In Arr at least the relic was somewhat worth the grind as you couldn't get the best weapon just yet, so even if the Atma fate grind sucked you would still get a superior weapon by the time they introduced tomestone stuff. I practically never changed my relic back there because it was always up to date, or at least I think it was.

At least now not only it's worth it (you can't upgrade your tomestone weapon yet, so it's still stuck at 620) but it's also less grindy, and if we start from the first part, it's only 3000 tomestomes total...the Atma books were 1500 and they were 7!.

TL;DR I don't dislike it cause it's less grindy.

Could've been better yes, but I ain't complaining. Don't need to do any Eureka or bozja thing so I'm happy!

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Originally Posted by McChaffee

What meaningful grind? The only point where relics have hit BiS status in previous expansions is always well after the content they would be good for clearing is already being regularly farmed. In terms of actual usage after their expansions, they only are consistently good for scaling into Ultimates. Unless you're doing Ultimates, you're not getting much for completing them unless you're dramatically behind on current gear when they're released.

Unless you're doing that, the only thing you're really getting out of the weapons is a shiny look with a glow effect.

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it is not about being bis or any of that. it is about having something to work towards. these relics are no effort, just do a goofy quest with hildebrand or whatever, who is not even funny btw, and turn in tomes that u have already capped from the last 3 months of boredom.

if it is just some small tomes and add to ur latest random alt class then what is the point? we have tome weapons already which i dont think people realize. why even have tome weapons then? just put every relic appearance on the vendor and stop making ppl wait a year for 5 min questline. btw it is hilarious they put 6.3 out 2 months ago and we had to wait around with nothing to do and all we got is a 5 min questline where u play as a naked dude hitting robots.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

"I want to have everything, all the rewards, while playing another game as my main game and not playing FFXIV" is a TLDR of this as someone else mentioned

If anything your type of "casual" is the worst, you feel like you deserve everything because "I dont have time" while you are literally playing another game as your main game, but somehow you still deserve to have everything in a game you basically ignore, its actually pretty gross, and people like you give casuals a bad name.

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Im sorry but...where the hell did they say they "deserve" anything? YOU pulled that out of nowhere to make someone look bad. Literally why? All they said was that it's convenient for how they spend their time. They didn't even call long grinds outright bad.

I'm now convinced you're on the forums to lie n create problems with people cause that's all I've seen from you for months

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Originally Posted by seolhyun

it is not about being bis or any of that. it is about having something to work towards. these relics are no effort, just do a goofy quest with hildebrand or whatever, who is not even funny btw, and turn in tomes that u have already capped from the last 3 months of boredom.

if it is just some small tomes and add to ur latest random alt class then what is the point? we have tome weapons already which i dont think people realize. why even have tome weapons then? just put every relic appearance on the vendor and stop making ppl wait a year for 5 min questline. btw it is hilarious they put 6.3 out 2 months ago and we had to wait around with nothing to do and all we got is a 5 min questline where u play as a naked dude hitting robots.

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Have you done the splendorous tools stuff yet that were also added with this patch? Its for crafting and gathering. Its also a follow up to the stuff from the manderville quests. Its also far more grindy compared to the manderville stuff. Currently I have the crystalline relics for alchemy, botany, fishing, and mining; currently working on culinarian. Time may vary but for me at least it took quite a few hours each day for each one.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

You know doing all the daily roulettes save for Mentor, Guildhests, and Frontlines can only get you around 800-900 Astronomy, right? He's having to play the game quite a bit to get one weapon done. Something you're likely aware of...but you're not arguing in good faith, now are you?

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I mess around an hour or 2 after spending all of said tomes and start seeing that message again saying I failed to obtain tomestones because i've hit cap.

I play multiple games not really focusing on this one during content lulls. I've had friends in this game and other games say they cannot wrap their heads around how I get so much done in the games I play in a short amount of time after finding out I'd gotten a considerable amount ahead of them despite logging less hours or having long periods of being AFK in the game. I just tell them when I sit down to do something I get it done, and if I see ways to kill 2,3,4,5,6... 50,000 birds with 1 stone I'll do it. The rest IMO is just having a natural eye for detail and decades of experience looking for such opportunities in game and life. I'm not "speed running" my games or any of that nonsense where you don't actually experience the game because you're focused entirely on a timer. I've simply learned to cut out wasted motions, wasted effort, and wasted time where you accomplish nothing while playing the game.

Despite my limited time I don't care to have the game essentially progressing a relic weapon with 0 effort. The "grinds" for the previous weapons at least gave me something to do when I sit down to play this game. I'd have done the Hildibrand questline regardless if they hadn't linked the relic to them simply because I enjoy those questlines.

Without saying that I don't dislike it, I will say that not having to endure another Eureka is a plus, I would have liked a less easy method though.
The problem here is that we were all expecting content that would keep us entertained until the next patch, but now it's going to be done in a couple of weeks, to get them for all our jobs.

The Endwalker relic is free and effortless, no merit for even enduring weeks of grind, light farm and other such joys. Zero merit.

As for the skins, well, I'd say some are cool and some suck.
I was expecting better for the SGE relic, I'll stick with the Divine Light one.

The way yoshida kept mentioning island sanctuary is taking away the relic zone... kind of feel like relic was going to basically be another eureka style deal.

Which was cool once but if the options are doing that again or farm some tomes I'm unfortunately on team farm some tomes.
If it was something more interesting like how zenith weapons had you doing missions encompassing almost every aspect of the game my opinion would be different

Because back in the day, relics were used to revive older content, incentivicing players to unlock and do it.
I'm tired of seeing Crystal Tower in alliance roulettes and The Fist of the Father or even worse - the Cuff of the Father - in my normal raid roulettes.

But besides that, normally I only go for a single relic. I was looking forward to a long term goal, then I got my relic with 0 effort, because I was already capped on tomestones.

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Originally Posted by Nihility

The way yoshida kept mentioning island sanctuary is taking away the relic zone... kind of feel like relic was going to basically be another eureka style deal.

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When did he say that? People keep parroting that but can never provide a source.

Eureka Orthos and the Sil'dihn Subterrane are far more likely to be the content that took away from creating a new relic zone. We know there's another Variant/Criterion dungeon that had been announced for release in 6.4 and I'm hearing mixed comments about there is/isn't a third in 6.5.

Eureka had a huge amount of hate even if SE had addressed some of the more complaints by the last release. More seemed to have enjoyed Bozja but even that had mixed response just as ARR and HW grinds had their mixed response. Another thing many players had been asking for was more choice in content for the grinds.

So this seems to be the expansion of choice instead of being told you only have X or Y content to choose from. Those complaining they were able to get their relic first day are still the outliers. Not everyone would have had 1500+ Astronomy available, nor would have had the time to grind that much out in one day.

I don't miss "run gordias nm 800 times (｡•̀ᴗ-)" or the absolute legend "10 books pls ◝(⁰▿⁰)◜" THAT much to find it from within myself to be that mad.

To me the level of frustration of the relic grind never made it more meaningful.
It just made it frustrating equal to the level of frustration.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

When did he say that? People keep parroting that but can never provide a source.

Eureka Orthos and the Sil'dihn Subterrane are far more likely to be the content that took away from creating a new relic zone. We know there's another Variant/Criterion dungeon that had been announced for release in 6.4 and I'm hearing mixed comments about there is/isn't a third in 6.5.

Eureka had a huge amount of hate even if SE had addressed some of the more complaints by the last release. More seemed to have enjoyed Bozja but even that had mixed response just as ARR and HW grinds had their mixed response. Another thing many players had been asking for was more choice in content for the grinds.

So this seems to be the expansion of choice instead of being told you only have X or Y content to choose from. Those complaining they were able to get their relic first day are still the outliers. Not everyone would have had 1500+ Astronomy available, nor would have had the time to grind that much out in one day.

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Having 1500 times at launch is not an outlier, and it’s basically one set of roulettes

And where is this choice, EO and criterion don’t even give you the tomes you need for the relic, if you want the tomes (and don’t somehow already have them) it’s time for A2N and circus tower for the 807th time

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

It's why I'm not really understanding the complaints, with the same people also pointing at the ARR relic steps as good design. This is literally the exact same 2nd step as ARR's relic.

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The second step of the ARR relic was released in 2.0, not a later patch. We've waited 15 months for this seconds step. It's disingenuous to compare this to the second step to ARR when in reality the length of the relic quest has halved and we have to wait half an expansion to even start it.

By patch 2.38 (compared to 6.35 we are in now) there were the base weapon step, Zenith, Atma, Animus, Novus and Nexus. 6 steps that were all different. Both the Zodiac relic and the Hildebrand relic have only two more updates after patch X.4, which means that half of this relic is just collecting 3000 tomes and that's it. What a disgrace.

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

All the blue mages awaken from their slumber

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"After 10,000 years, I am free! It's time to conquer HW!"
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I don't dislike it because it's only the second step.

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Originally Posted by seolhyun

it is not about being bis or any of that. it is about having something to work towards. these relics are no effort, just do a goofy quest with hildebrand or whatever, who is not even funny btw, and turn in tomes that u have already capped from the last 3 months of boredom.

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The poster you quoted is correct. It IS about BiS, otherwise a shiny toy that is only good for glamour is the only reason to do the quest. Many of you seem to think you're playing a game with horizontal progression, or desire a game that does play that way. This is not FFXIV.

I am totally on board with having something to work towards when all of that time and effort actually means something; when the delayed gratification truly rewards you for all your time and effort. If the relic weapon is not BiS, and does not remain BiS well into the next patch then there is no point giving players a tedious grind for what is essentially nothing more than glamour or a catchup weapon at best.

You, yourself just admitted that you can get the relic from previously capped tomes doing content you are bored with. So why on Earth are you supporting going right back into that content to grind for a meaningless weapon? Even worse, it's content that will sync you down to lower levels, which players have voiced over and over again is not fun for them. The tomes is the only reason, the only incentive for them to go back into that content.

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Originally Posted by Xelanar

Because back in the day, relics were used to revive older content, incentivicing players to unlock and do it.

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Relics quests are not needed to revive older content. Roulettes do that already. All relic grinds did was force players to do older content, which they complained about high and low, east to west. Now for some reason they want to do that?

For ARR, obviously you had to do current content since it was the base game after 1.0. But even HW relics grinds threw you into current content, even having to best the Warring Triad once again in order to finish it off. Relics started becoming less and less relevant along with the release of more expansions. Even in ShB where players could do Bozja, had alternatives to run old content if they wanted to do it that way. They made a big blunder here considering players could farm memories with a 100% drop rate from HW FATEs. They had to increase the rewards for instances like DR just to get players to run the damn thing after they completed it the first time.

1. I am not herded to do one specific piece of content to farm mogshite whiskers or something like that, tomestones approach is pretty open, right now I can progress my weapons just by farming Eureka Orthos.
2. I am fine with some big grinds, but I don't only play a few jobs. I will be gunning for plenty. This makes things less complicated.
3. If I want a big grind, I can do multitude of grinds in this game, such as hunt achievements. If I want a grindy relic weapon, I can do the hellscape that is a zodiac weapon again. There's nothing wrong with one stage of one set of relic weapons being more accessible.
4. We're still on different colors/glows of FIRST stage of relic weapon. I am expecting to see different approach on actual next stage of a weapon when we get a different model.
5. I'm not a baby, if I don't like or care about specific content, I can just ignore it, such as ultimates. I don't intend to do them, nor do I care about it, but I will not throw hissy fits over them releasing it for people who do care.

I don't mind grinding tomes for a relic. It does feel pretty lame that step 2 is identical to step 1.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

The second step of the ARR relic was released in 2.0, not a later patch. We've waited 15 months for this seconds step. It's disingenuous to compare this to the second step to ARR when in reality the length of the relic quest has halved and we have to wait half an expansion to even start it.

By patch 2.38 (compared to 6.35 we are in now) there were the base weapon step, Zenith, Atma, Animus, Novus and Nexus. 6 steps that were all different. Both the Zodiac relic and the Hildebrand relic have only two more updates after patch X.4, which means that half of this relic is just collecting 3000 tomes and that's it. What a disgrace.

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This as well. The relic gets delayed more and more each expansion, and having steps this small this late feel bad as well.

I'm also the type of person who only makes 1 or 2 relics so these smaller steps don't keep me busy for long.

Not everything has to be some nasty grind. Maybe I don't want to be forced into one activity over and over again until I hate it. That's why I like it.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

And where is this choice, EO and criterion don’t even give you the tomes you need for the relic, if you want the tomes (and don’t somehow already have them) it’s time for A2N and circus tower for the 807th time

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Criterion may not but Variant does.

Can't speak about EO, I'm not into Deep Dungeons.

Saigaskin, Kumbhira and Ophiotaurus treasure maps will give Astronomy (with the latter two also giving Causality in the dungeons).

Speaking of dungeons you have all the level 90 dungeons that reward Astronomy.

Level 90 trials (normal or EX) - more Astronomy

Asphodelos and Abyssos normal - look, Astronomy there too.

You've got the ability to customize your own relic grind to be as long or short as you want. Go kill Endsinger on Normal 150 times or is that still not enough of a grind for you?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Can't speak about EO, I'm not into Deep Dungeons.

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For info, from the patch notes:
Complete floor 10 for 20 Astronomy tomes;
Complete floor 20 for 40 Astronomy tomes;
Complete floors 30+ for 60 Astronomy tomes.

So the person you quoted even lied about Eureka Orthos not giving you tomes (for the record, it awards ALL types of tomes).

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Originally Posted by SomeGuy22

(I swear to God this isn't a troll thread)

Why?

I'm pretty baffled that some players are defending the implementation of this step, and I want to get your reasoning for it. Is it because it isn't a grind that is set in stone (e.g run x raid y amount of times)? Does the step being the same as the first one not bother you? Do you not mind it, but wish it was somehow different? I just want to know/understand.

I know that the forum's cluttered with the topic, but I figured that a thread specifically for this question wouldn't (hopefully) instantly devolve into flame wars and name calling.

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easy its because its something yoshi made. what ever he do and say is god ward to this people.

I raid savage/ultimates, the relic is not BiS now, so why waste my time grinding for the sake of wasting time....have to do it in many jobs for collection purpose, this method easy....

So just pretend is *Light* farming and go do the same raid/dungeon 50x (grinding light=tomestomes). Next pick another dungeon for imaginary light aka tomestomes than repeat another 50x....just pretend is was light farming because that apparently was good stuff for many lol

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Originally Posted by ValkyrieL

I raid savage/ultimates

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Ah yes, the 2 things that don't give you astronomy tomes :)

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

They changed that years ago, which is why I consider the Zenith step the 2nd step.

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We'll just have to agree to disagree. To me, the 2nd step is based on when "Zodiac Weapons - The Saga Begins" pops up on the screen, which is at the start of the Atma quest.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Again, I don't consider getting the Antiquated to be the first step. Upgrading it to the unantiquated form is the first step. Upgrading it to the Anemos weapon is the 2nd step (because + doesn't count).

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So does this mean that you're considering the 2nd step of the Eureka weapon to not be as easy, then? Considering going from Unantiquated to Anemos requires 1200 Protean Crystals, reaching Elemental level 19, and obtaining 3 Pazuzu Feathers. Unless you think this is as easy as farming up 1500 uncapped tomestones? Keep in mind that the option to purchase Pazuzu Feathers didn't exist back then.

This doesn't take away from the fact that this second step is entirely lazy in how they didn't even bother to dress it up as anything interesting, and feels more like a last minute copy paste job.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Because I'm a rather casual player with limited gametime who also plays several other games, one of which (Destiny 2) just launched an entire new expansion and is currently my "main" game while I enjoy playing thru that. When I come back around to FFXIV in a bit, this is a nice convenient step that'll let me pick up a couple relic weapons while doing basically whatever I want (read: enjoy most) in the game. Artificially long grinds aren't necessarily a good thing in my view.

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This just means that you're not the target audience for a weapon that originally required a grind. The game generally has a non-grindy alternative when it comes to weapons for players who either don't want to put in the time, or don't have enough time to grind. Weapons like the (augmented) crafted weapons, the extreme trial ones, and possibly even the unaugmented tomestone ones.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

This just means that you're not the target audience for a weapon that originally required a grind.

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Well, he is now. :rolleyes:

friend: step two is exactly the same as step one
me: exactly?
friend: we need tomes again for the second step.
me: the weekly limited ones?
friend: no, the same ones as in step one.
me: how many? 2000?
friend: no no, its 1500 again. you have to buy ore from a meteor.
me: ore from a meteor? again?
friend: yes, you need to buy 3 pieces.
me: its the same as step one.
friend: exactly.

it feels like everything else in this game. they streamline the heck out of it snd cut down everything to its bare existence, so in the end its all the same.... deja-vu?

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Originally Posted by SomeGuy22

(I swear to God this isn't a troll thread)

Why?

I'm pretty baffled that some players are defending the implementation of this step, and I want to get your reasoning for it. Is it because it isn't a grind that is set in stone (e.g run x raid y amount of times)? Does the step being the same as the first one not bother you? Do you not mind it, but wish it was somehow different? I just want to know/understand.

I know that the forum's cluttered with the topic, but I figured that a thread specifically for this question wouldn't (hopefully) instantly devolve into flame wars and name calling.

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This is just the second step previous relics second steps was also dead easy, more will come to it later on and that is just fine as it is, and that is about it... got to let them do it at their pace and also for a good start make it easy so can up all then later on decide on which ones you actually want to max out when it get more annoying to do, and yes this is just second step.

Happy they did not make that crazy way it was back in ARR and the likes but back then the game did not have much content due to it was freshly remade as it is so people needed to be kept busy at stuff for quite a while with little reward if any at all.

"it is only the second step" do u not see this as a problem in general? endwalker is over a year old and the major patches are 3/5 done. relic has been 0 content for 3/5 of the expansion. just a tome sink for when u hit the cap. no thought or effort.

Why would I dislike it? It's simple, it's straightforward and I can progress while doing anything else I want.

I made Zeta weapons when ATMA grinding was current content, with the original drop rate. I had to pick up books one after the other, being made kill 900 specific enemies and sit down for literal hours waiting for each one of the 27 specific FATEs to decide to spawn, and hope someone didn't kill them before I arrived, and gotta make sure you have your relic equiped or it won't even count. Anyone who made a Zeta weapon back then knows what it feels like to wait for 40 minutes for a FATE to spawn, only to realize you had your Soldiery/Coil weapon equiped instead of your relic. Did you know they adjusted the spawn rate of these FATEs because some could take over an hour to spawn? Oh, and that's just one step for one weapon.

Does that sound better to you? It wasn't interesting. challenging or engaging. It was a waste of time and nothing more than busywork. People quit this game because of that quest.
All you have to do right now is run your favorite dungeons or trials for some Astronomy and you're set.

Why don't I hate this step? Because I know how bad it can get, and this is not it. Not by a very long shot.
Pray they don't come up with some Animus Book or ATMA level bullshit for the next step, because then you'll wish you were just grinding Astronomy once again.

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Originally Posted by seolhyun

"it is only the second step" do u not see this as a problem in general? endwalker is over a year old and the major patches are 3/5 done. relic has been 0 content for 3/5 of the expansion. just a tome sink for when u hit the cap. no thought or effort.

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I see a problem with it, yes.

I also see a problem with farming FATEs and/or dungeons ad nauseam. Eureka was just over-glorified FATEs on ad nauseam. Resistance relics were hardly what I would call a respectable grind either - It was 60 FATEs + 6 Level 60 dungeons. It's barely longer than the tome grind.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I also see a problem with farming FATEs and/or dungeons ad nauseam

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1080 HW FATEs for all Resistance Weapons.

Fun, right?

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

1080 HW FATEs for all Resistance Weapons.

Fun, right?

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Absolutely, it's 10/10 riveting gameplay - Seriously though, you could actually do it quite a bit faster too if you were doing organized farm groups for the 4th legion monsters in the southern front. Frankly, we've not really had anything hands-on since Eureka (and as much as I like it), and even then this had considerable shortcomings to where you could actually AFK through most of it. People even complained fairly intensively at the time about leeching too. Anemos and Pagos are what you would get if you were to slap a relic on top of the original HW Diadem.

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Originally Posted by seolhyun

it is not about being bis or any of that. it is about having something to work towards. these relics are no effort, just do a goofy quest with hildebrand or whatever, who is not even funny btw, and turn in tomes that u have already capped from the last 3 months of boredom.

if it is just some small tomes and add to ur latest random alt class then what is the point? we have tome weapons already which i dont think people realize.

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This doesn't refute my point, all you did was reinforce it. You're working towards something that isn't that great outside of being catch-up gear or a niche stat-stick for Ultimates. If the item does not have a practical game use in its category, then the grind shouldn't be something absurd or long. Complaining about the relic's step being "less meaningful" makes way more sense if it had the equivalent status of a Legendary Weapon like in GW2.

Add 5 or 10 ilvls to the relic and then I think it's completely justified to complain about the grind being far easier/less complex than it should be.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Why would I dislike it? It's simple, it's straightforward and I can progress while doing anything else I want.

I made Zeta weapons when ATMA grinding was current content, with the original drop rate. I had to pick up books one after the other, being made kill 900 specific enemies and sit down for literal hours waiting for each one of the 27 specific FATEs to decide to spawn, and hope someone didn't kill them before I arrived, and gotta make sure you have your relic equiped or it won't even count. Anyone who made a Zeta weapon back then knows what it feels like to wait for 40 minutes for a FATE to spawn, only to realize you had your Soldiery/Coil weapon equiped instead of your relic. Did you know they adjusted the spawn rate of these FATEs because some could take over an hour to spawn? Oh, and that's just one step for one weapon.

Does that sound better to you? It wasn't interesting. challenging or engaging. It was a waste of time and nothing more than busywork. People quit this game because of that quest.
All you have to do right now is run your favorite dungeons or trials for some Astronomy and you're set.

Why don't I hate this step? Because I know how bad it can get, and this is not it. Not by a very long shot.
Pray they don't come up with some Animus Book or ATMA level bullshit for the next step, because then you'll wish you were just grinding Astronomy once again.

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I think you're missing the point of the relic weapons. The game generally had three paths to obtaining a weapon at a decent/good iLvl:

Long term path: Relic weapon. A mindless grind that just about anyone could complete, as long as they're able to put in the time.
Semi-short term path: Savage/Augmented tomestone weapon. Requiring the player to be skilled enough to clear the 2nd/3rd floor, or the 4th one on Savage.
Short term path: Extreme trial weapon. The in-between option. Lower difficulty than Savage, but requiring more skill than a mindless grind would.

Turning the relic weapon steps into something that can be completed with two days worth of roulettes removes the long term aspect of it. Along with the reason for this path to even exist in the first place.
At that point, you might as well just add a second augment option for the crafted weapon. Obtain the crafted weapon with the even numbered patch, augment it in the odd numbered patch, augment it again two months after said odd numbered patch.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Turning the relic weapon steps into something that can be completed with two days worth of roulettes removes the long term aspect of it.

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How about you come back and say that once the Expansion is over? Consider there are 3-4 more steps in the process this is a premature conclusion at best.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

How about you come back and say that once the Expansion is over? Consider there are 3-4 more steps in the process this is a premature conclusion at best.

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Doubly so because every relic since ARR has had some REALLY grindy and annoying things to do to power them up. We're only on Step 2 out of likely 5-7 steps.