Can something be done about alliance raids?

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Originally Posted by magitekLuna

what you even talk about? the content was supper popular when it was new. thing is now even if people want to do the older raids they barely can as the wait time is to much. mot all even have 1h to play so lets not start on wait it.

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I don't really understand half of what you wrote. Sorry.

But if it was "super popular", I didn't see it. At least not 2 weeks passed the release. Too many times trying to get my tokens I had long queues. Fastest I ever remember having was 20 mins. You may have had a different experience. That's fine. But that was mine on Aether in ShB.

As of right now, the wait times are so long because most people don't enjoy slogging through the fights. I didn't mind the raids when they were new. But right now all the bosses are just damage sponges and it's not fun. The fights aren't hard, they're just boring. I don't want to be fighting the same thing 10 mins later, and neither do a lot of people.

If they fixed the HP of these bosses to reflect the stat squish better than they supposedly did, I'm sure a lot more people would be willing to run the raid and unlock it on alts.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

I don't really understand half of what you wrote. Sorry.

But if it was "super popular", I didn't see it. At least not 2 weeks passed the release. Too many times trying to get my tokens I had long queues. Fastest I ever remember having was 20 mins. You may have had a different experience. That's fine. But that was mine on Aether in ShB.

As of right now, the wait times are so long because most people don't enjoy slogging through the fights. I didn't mind the raids when they were new. But right now all the bosses are just damage sponges and it's not fun. The fights aren't hard, they're just boring. I don't want to be fighting the same thing 10 mins later, and neither do a lot of people.

If they fixed the HP of these bosses to reflect the stat squish better than they supposedly did, I'm sure a lot more people would be willing to run the raid and unlock it on alts.

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its not that at all. its long as most people are forced in to tower in the roulette. most did the raids and get the glams they need from them so no reason to go there manually

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Originally Posted by magitekLuna

its not that at all. its long as most people are forced in to tower in the roulette. most did the raids and get the glams they need from them so no reason to go there manually

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If more people wanted nier raids it wouldn’t be so hard to get. Some of you claim to be queueing directly. Guess not enough of you.

While people do quit as soon as CT pops, they are more popular due to the ease and time they take. There’s a reason people aren’t unlocking other raids on alts.

Nier raids got ruined with the stat squish in my opinion. Everything became damage sponges.

I’ll take a 15 minute run over a 30 to 45 any day. Allows me to do more with my play time

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Originally Posted by magitekLuna

its not that at all. its long as most people are forced in to tower in the roulette. most did the raids and get the glams they need from them so no reason to go there manually

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And why are people forced in to them? Because it's the lowest level alliance. People use them to level alt jobs. There are a lot of new people. It's the only MSQ one. It's always going to favour CT.

It doesn't help, though, that the other raids, like Ivalice and Nier, are slogs. The bosses are health sponges. They take way too long. People don't want to unlock them and if they do have them unlocked, you have ilvl cheese because they don't want them. If they scaled the health of these alliances to match the stat squish, people would be more inclined to do them. That's just a fact.

Because I feel as though the devs, and even some players based on the suggestions I've seen here, seem to forget that a lot of health =/= difficult.

People play the game to have fun. They don't play to zone out pressing their buttons on a boss fight that takes way too long.

The reason to go into them and to not cheese the ilvl for the roulette would be because they're enjoyable. But as you said, there's no reason to do them. Because they're not fun.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

If more people wanted nier raids it wouldn’t be so hard to get. Some of you claim to be queueing directly. Guess not enough of you.

While people do quit as soon as CT pops, they are more popular due to the ease and time they take. There’s a reason people aren’t unlocking other raids on alts.

Nier raids got ruined with the stat squish in my opinion. Everything became damage sponges.

I’ll take a 15 minute run over a 30 to 45 any day. Allows me to do more with my play time

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its is what i say. sorry if i did not made it clear. its an older raid so most players did get what they want from it. so no reason for most to queueing directly.
as for how long it take i never have a nier raid run that was longer that 25 min. so i take the one that is fun to do over the faster but brain dead one

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

And why are people forced in to them? Because it's the lowest level alliance. People use them to level alt jobs. There are a lot of new people. It's the only MSQ one. It's always going to favour CT.

It doesn't help, though, that the other raids, like Ivalice and Nier, are slogs. The bosses are health sponges. They take way too long. People don't want to unlock them and if they do have them unlocked, you have ilvl cheese because they don't want them. If they scaled the health of these alliances to match the stat squish, people would be more inclined to do them. That's just a fact.

Because I feel as though the devs, and even some players based on the suggestions I've seen here, seem to forget that a lot of health =/= difficult.

People play the game to have fun. They don't play to zone out pressing their buttons on a boss fight that takes way too long.

The reason to go into them and to not cheese the ilvl for the roulette would be because they're enjoyable. But as you said, there's no reason to do them. Because they're not fun.

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i know that. so may be the system as it is now IS PURE SHIT? take the tower raids in to the msq roulette.
when did i say its "Because they're not fun"? i say people played them way more that 10 times and nothing is fun at this point. so its down to loot. but you can have fun in the brain dead tower all you like. i just happy to take the 30 min if i get it.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

If more people wanted nier raids it wouldn’t be so hard to get. Some of you claim to be queueing directly. Guess not enough of you.

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It's more complicated than that. Alliance is more or less rigged to favor CT and to favor players seeking CT.

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I’ll take a 15 minute run over a 30 to 45 any day. Allows me to do more with my play time

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It only makes sense to play how you want, but I never really understood this. If I'm enjoying myself, I don't mind putting time into something. Breaking a long play session into tiny 5 minute chunks sounds disruptive to me, but that's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

And why are people forced in to them? Because it's the lowest level alliance. People use them to level alt jobs. There are a lot of new people. It's the only MSQ one. It's always going to favour CT.

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These are all manufactured problems. Just split the roulette and let people choose. CT just ruins the entire thing for anyone who doesn't want to run those raids.

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It doesn't help, though, that the other raids, like Ivalice and Nier, are slogs. The bosses are health sponges. They take way too long. People don't want to unlock them and if they do have them unlocked, you have ilvl cheese because they don't want them. If they scaled the health of these alliances to match the stat squish, people would be more inclined to do them. That's just a fact.

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You call it a slog, I just see it as normal content. CT is the slog for me, there is nothing happening in those raids to keep me engaged. I'm also pretty sure it's the norm to skip content in Ivalice and Nier these days. They don't even feel long unless you get a rare party full of new comers.

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Because I feel as though the devs, and even some players based on the suggestions I've seen here, seem to forget that a lot of health =/= difficult.

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The difference between CT and everything else is more than health, much more. However I think when it comes to boss health itself, you also want to avoid having too little. This trivializes the experience. 70 and 80 raids feel fine to me, I wonder if the people disliking them only do because they compare to CT.

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People play the game to have fun. They don't play to zone out pressing their buttons on a boss fight that takes way too long.

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Exactly why I want to get Ivalice and Nier instead of CT in alliance 100% of the time.

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The reason to go into them and to not cheese the ilvl for the roulette would be because they're enjoyable. But as you said, there's no reason to do them. Because they're not fun.

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This entire topic is indicating the opposite. There are people that want to run them.

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Originally Posted by magitekLuna

there no "nice and easy" fix to this problem. on one hand lots of players WANT the later dungeons/raids from the roulette (i got to the point where if i get tower i leave and never go in to leveling roulette if i don't have a party of 4 players over level 60). on the other hand there legit low level / new players that need the help as well. so what to do?
one thing that can help is if this community start to act as what the believe they are. the most nice and helping community in mmo history. as let be real if you ask people for help most of the time you hear "just use DF if fast" .
second is separate the low level content in to a different roulette that give X3 times the gil and exp. all the content hat is under 50 be there.
the real PROBLEM is yoshi pushing this game to be a solo game. you cant get a party but why not use the legal bots we give you for the dungeon/ soon for raids as well.

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No, what I said will work, perfectly, and fully acomplish what's intended for alliance roulette.

The people who are upset by that solution are people who want the bonuses from alliance roulette without the risk or work. Same people who complained about MSQ roulette having unskippable cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Mandatory unlock is a no go. You would have to play through 14, soon to be 15 different Alliance raids (with massive queue times because so few can run the roulette) before you yourself get the option to run the roulette.

The problem with no. 2 is that would prevent people from queuing up for Alliance Roulette on alternate jobs.
If you've unlocked Euphrosyne, well now you can only queue for Alliance Roulette with an ilvl of 595. So if you cleared the MSQ on tank, but want to run Euphrosyne on a dps for shorter queues, tough.
If you have any jobs below 90, or a 90 job that isn't fully geared, the entire roulette is locked off for them, just like Expert roulette.
If you have no level 90 jobs geared to ilvl 595, then you can't run the roulette for tomes in order to gear up to get ilvl 595.

Both of your suggestions together relegate Alliance Raid roulette to the same status as Expert roulette only those who are up to date on everything, on their most geared jobs, can run it.
All of these complications limit the number of players eligible to queue for the roulette, in turn extending queue times for all alliance raids. Which completely defeats the point of the roulette, to fill queues for those running the raids for the first time.

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Nope, not at all what I said.

I don't know if you intentionally misunderstood it, or are just pretending to.

If it automatically unlocks the dungeons, your not stuck by them not unlocking.

Having it update with the last quest of each expansion means that it's always at the right ilvl for you.

The situation you describe is just not possible and absolutely not what I described.

If your level 50, about to go into heavensward, boom, CT unlocks, alliance raid is only CR.
If your level 60 about to go into stormblood, the shadows alliance raids unlock, giving you 6 possibilities, that you have to have the right ilvl for, and that's what the alliance raid can put you into, no more, no less.
If your level 70, about to go into shadowbringers, the ivalace raids unlock themselves, giving you 9 possible dungeons, you que, you can end up in any of those 9.
If your level 80, about to go into endwalker, the nier raids unlock themselves, giving you 12 possible dungeons, you que, and you could end up in any of those 12.

I said nothing about requiring you to unlock nier before you could do alliance raid when your level 50. This is not "expert but alliance". If anything it's the 50, 60, 70, 80 roulette style, adaptively updating with each expansion you reach and containing what you unlocked. Notice that if you don't unlock and run halatili hard, you can sill run 50, 60, 70 roulette? If you do unlock it but you haven't run it, you can still run the roulette. Same coding is all that's needed for my idea, plus the automatic, INSTANT unlock of the dungeons so they can't be avoided.

Using the coding of 50/60/70 roulette even solves the problem of unleveled side classes wanting to use it to level. So no, the code exists, it works just fine in the other place it's used.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

No, what I said will work, perfectly, and fully acomplish what's intended for alliance roulette.

The people who are upset by that solution are people who want the bonuses from alliance roulette without the risk or work. Same people who complained about MSQ roulette having unskippable cutscenes.

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well you some what got a point but the unskippable cutscenes must go

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

This entire topic is indicating the opposite. There are people that want to run them.

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I mean, the fact that this is a topic at all indicates that a large portion of the community don't find them fun and don't want to do them. If so many people found them fun, this wouldn't be up for discussion. Because it wouldn't be an issue. You'd be able to queue and not have to wait for an hour.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

I mean, the fact that this is a topic at all indicates that a large portion of the community don't find them fun and don't want to do them. If so many people found them fun, this wouldn't be up for discussion. Because it wouldn't be an issue. You'd be able to queue and not have to wait for an hour.

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but they do, they did run them and got what they need from them. what reason to run them after that? no content be fun after 100's of times.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

I mean, the fact that this is a topic at all indicates that a large portion of the community don't find them fun and don't want to do them. If so many people found them fun, this wouldn't be up for discussion. Because it wouldn't be an issue. You'd be able to queue and not have to wait for an hour.

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This is a cautionary take. Remember that the playerbase is hundreds of thousands of people, and it's only a minutely small % that actually use the forums (and by its nature, those few are the ones most likely to be complaining about something). Ask virtually any question, and you will have a "large number of people" taking any side you look at simply because of how large the playerbase itself is. These forums represent the smallest iota of a % of that community, and topics appearing here aren't necessarily representative of anything regarding the playerbase in general.

I noticed some very long waits for some shadowbringers content myself, even content that's in roulettes like Matoya's Relict. I think we're just in a nasty lull atm. There's really nothing on the horizon to work towards and people have caught up in content. It doesn't seem too many people are doing much other than going to 'venues,' and working on the odd-ends (relic, savage, etc.)

That's concerning to read though, since the Nier stuff isn't that old and should still be pretty popular. I've said before and I'll say it again, 3 months is -far- too long for a content drought. They really need to finish up on 16 and get back into gear with 14. We need more content / horizontal content or more inter-patch patches (6.35a, b, c, etc).

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Originally Posted by Striker44

This is a cautionary take. Remember that the playerbase is hundreds of thousands of people, and it's only a minutely small % that actually use the forums (and by its nature, those few are the ones most likely to be complaining about something). Ask virtually any question, and you will have a "large number of people" taking any side you look at simply because of how large the playerbase itself is. These forums represent the smallest iota of a % of that community, and topics appearing here aren't necessarily representative of anything regarding the playerbase in general.

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Except the person you're replying to are "not" using the forum as the base of the argument. What's going on in the game provide pretty much a lopsided evidence in favor of CT. The playerbase "hate" the other raids, otherwise they would have been unlocked and queue more often.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Except the person you're replying to are "not" using the forum as the base of the argument. What's going on in the game provide pretty much a lopsided evidence in favor of CT. The playerbase "hate" the other raids, otherwise they would have been unlocked and queue more often.

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It's not that players hate the other raids. It's certain people skewing the roulette to get the easiest raids due to how overtuned the ilvl is on them. When was the last time you actually saw ppl do mechanics in Labrynth of the Ancients?

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Except the person you're replying to are "not" using the forum as the base of the argument. What's going on in the game provide pretty much a lopsided evidence in favor of CT. The playerbase "hate" the other raids, otherwise they would have been unlocked and queue more often.

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I dont think they are "Hated" but I can definitely say...some of them just take to freaking long.
Some of us just wanna get in and get out as soon as possible so we can do other things. Some of us are literally limited on gaming time.

Surrounded by people that don't even want to play the game, they just want their roulette exp.

So when we ask for actual fun content, you all freak the hell out because it'll be a nuisance to actually play and be engaged by something for once.

Also can't ask for better rewards, because that'll tempt the demons in you to play 24/7 or something.

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Originally Posted by R041

Surrounded by people that don't even want to play the game, they just want their roulette exp.

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idk, I certainly "play". Just because I don't play the content you want doesn't mean I'm not "playing". I don't think it's up you to decide getting EXP is not qualified as playing.

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So when we ask for actual fun content, you all freak the hell out because it'll be a nuisance to actually play and be engaged by something for once.

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Fun is subjective, I have more fun by spending 15min in CT follow by another 15-20 min in Frontline. For me that's more fun than spending 30-40 min in a Ivalice or Nier raid. Again, not up to you to decide what is fun for me :p

Also I play savage and ultimate ... so reach just gonna reach. Like ... seriously, the way some people their argument in this thread it's like because they see someone take it easy on the weekend, they hyperbolic it into that person must be a lazy bump who never interest in doing anything worthwhile in the whole week. :confused:

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Originally Posted by R041

Surrounded by people that don't even want to play the game, they just want their roulette exp.

So when we ask for actual fun content, you all freak the hell out because it'll be a nuisance to actually play and be engaged by something for once.

Also can't ask for better rewards, because that'll tempt the demons in you to play 24/7 or something.

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I mean...you kinda HAVE to play the game in order to get that exp and level up.
How fast and rewarding the content is, is a different argument...kind of like saying how someone like me is on a Limited Gaming Schedule, because I have other things going on in my life (Job, sleep, Social life, Family, etc)

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Fun is subjective, I have more fun by spending 15min in CT follow by another 15-20 min in Frontline. For me that's more fun than spending 30-40 min in a Ivalice or Nier raid. Again, not up to you to decide what is fun for me :p

Like ... seriously, the way some people their argument in this thread it's like because they see someone take it easy on the weekend, they hyperbolic it into that person must be a lazy bump who never interest in doing anything worthwhile in the whole week. :confused:

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I agree.
And this is a good example thats a better use of my time. Id love to do the other raids, but they take a while. Meanwhile I can squeeze in more gametime doing Crystal Tower and Frontlines.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

This is a cautionary take. Remember that the playerbase is hundreds of thousands of people, and it's only a minutely small % that actually use the forums (and by its nature, those few are the ones most likely to be complaining about something). Ask virtually any question, and you will have a "large number of people" taking any side you look at simply because of how large the playerbase itself is. These forums represent the smallest iota of a % of that community, and topics appearing here aren't necessarily representative of anything regarding the playerbase in general.

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I'm not talking about the amount of people on the forums talking about it. I'm well aware only about 5% or so of the player base uses the forums. However, some of those 5% wouldn't be complaining about how certain content is avoided like the plague if the player base did it. Queues for Nier raids wouldn't take over an hr if the majority or heck, even 40% of the player base found it fun and wanted to run it just to run it.

I'm not going by what people here are saying. Because the people here are suggestion punishments rather than incentives. Suggesting to make things grindier and worse. I'm going by the experience in game, which is a more accurate reflection of how things are and how people generally feel.

People on the forums can swear up and down that certain content is super fun and things should be a certain way, but if the in-game experience reflects an opposite opinion of that, then that's a more accurate reality.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

I'm not talking about the amount of people on the forums talking about it. I'm well aware only about 5% or so of the player base uses the forums. However, some of those 5% wouldn't be complaining about how certain content is avoided like the plague if the player base did it. Queues for Nier raids wouldn't take over an hr if the majority or heck, even 40% of the player base found it fun and wanted to run it just to run it.

I'm not going by what people here are saying. Because the people here are suggestion punishments rather than incentives. Suggesting to make things grindier and worse. I'm going by the experience in game, which is a more accurate reflection of how things are and how people generally feel.

People on the forums can swear up and down that certain content is super fun and things should be a certain way, but if the in-game experience reflects an opposite opinion of that, then that's a more accurate reality.

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I see where you're coming from - unfortunately, I'll need to add another cautionary note, this time about anecdotal experience. I do AR roulettes fairly often, and my own personal experience is different from the personal experience you claim. Frankly, I don't tend to get CT raids all that often when I queue on my 90 for tomestones. I've found a fairly nice spread from the different expansions tends to be the norm. So my own in-game experience, which apparently is what should be the "accurate reality", is that the raids do in fact pop with a good variety. Again, when you have hundreds of thousands of players, trying to take any one person's (or select few people's) experience as if it's the norm isn't reliable.

Oh, and if you've been around the forums enough, you'll see that people absolutely would complain about, well, literally anything. Some people's sole existence on these forums seems to be trying to find things to complain about *shakes head in amusement*.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

I see where you're coming from - unfortunately, I'll need to add another cautionary note, this time about anecdotal experience. I do AR roulettes fairly often, and my own personal experience is different from the personal experience you claim. Frankly, I don't tend to get CT raids all that often when I queue on my 90 for tomestones. I've found a fairly nice spread from the different expansions tends to be the norm. So my own in-game experience, which apparently is what should be the "accurate reality", is that the raids do in fact pop with a good variety. Again, when you have hundreds of thousands of players, trying to take any one person's (or select few people's) experience as if it's the norm isn't reliable.

Oh, and if you've been around the forums enough, you'll see that people absolutely would complain about, well, literally anything. Some people's sole existence on these forums seems to be trying to find things to complain about *shakes head in amusement*.

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I do agree with you. Anecdotal evidence isn't very sound, because ultimately it depends on your data centre and your play time. So even with the people saying that is is only ever CT, that's obviously not entirely accurate, either. These people demanding change (usually negative change, but I digress) are doing so based on their own select experience.

Unfortunately though, sometimes you have to use a census. There's no way to ask every single person in a community and have them answer to get a 100% accurate result.

All I can say from playing on my own data centre, and even data centre travelling to try to get different experiences, it seems to all be the same feel. I usually only get CT or the current raids in AR during my play time.

The people I talk to don't like Nier or Ivalice. When I do get those duties in AR, people tend to complain. And while that isn't solid evidence of anything, it does support, in some degree, that there are people who don't want to do them. And when there are people who can queue for these raids at any given time on their DC and have to wait for long queues, it also supports in some degree, that at least in their community, those raids aren't very popular.

It's like how at least on my DC, there's a discord that arranges the weekly Rival Wings. If you queue for Rival Wings outside of the weekly run time, you will not get in. So while that may not be the case on other DCs, it does go to show that Rival Wings isn't very popular on my DC.

But yes, I do know the forums tend to be hyperbolic and nitpicky.

TLDR; while not 100% accurate, censuses show how certain communities feel towards certain things. And different communities can have different experiences.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Fun is subjective, I have more fun by spending 15min in CT follow by another 15-20 min in Frontline. For me that's more fun than spending 30-40 min in a Ivalice or Nier raid. Again, not up to you to decide what is fun for me :p

Also I play savage and ultimate ... so reach just gonna reach. Like ... seriously, the way some people their argument in this thread it's like because they see someone take it easy on the weekend, they hyperbolic it into that person must be a lazy bump who never interest in doing anything worthwhile in the whole week. :confused:

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I mean...you kinda HAVE to play the game in order to get that exp and level up.
How fast and rewarding the content is, is a different argument...kind of like saying how someone like me is on a Limited Gaming Schedule, because I have other things going on in my life (Job, sleep, Social life, Family, etc)

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I don't really blame either of you, but there definitely is something to be said about how SE just dumps all of their content into a roulette cycle every expansion that continues to incentivize only re-running ARR content over and over no matter what new content is pushed into it. They're trashing their own content every expansion cycle.

It's been 10 years, I'm sick of running the same shit over and over. If that content were even a LITTLE bit fun then sure, but it's not. We see it as the most rewarding thing because the only thing SE ever gives us for a reward in this game is our Time vs EXP (and Materia..), so there's not much to pick from there when they also continue to neglect the power creep in ilvl.

You also bring up that you're doing Ultimate, so that's kinda where we're at here with the content gap right? We have 2 types of playstyles that we've catered to:

1. Bleeding Edge that spend their time doing Savage and Ultimates
2. Limsa/House AFKers

Neither of those want their average time wasted. And I'd argue that Savage isn't actually being catered to.. Just strung along.

We want the 3rd playstyle again, the Mid-Core, the casuals that still enjoy difficult and rewarding content but don't want to bash their heads against Ultimate or AFK. At least with Eureka and Bozja it kinda scratched that itch, but this expac is just.. So bad for us, there's 0 incentive to do anything anymore and we don't even have the luxury of queueing for 'Fun' raids because it's just a bunch of CT for Exp.

It's like the only fun Mid-Core players are allowed to have is within the first 2 months of each expansion, and the first week of each major patch.

So again, I don't blame you - I'm just salty in general.

Again, lot of assumption ...

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If that content were even a LITTLE bit fun then sure, but it's not.

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Just because you don't have fun doesn't mean other don't.

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You also bring up that you're doing Ultimate, so that's kinda where we're at here with the content gap right?

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No.

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We have 2 types of playstyles that we've catered to:

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Just because that how you classify it doesn't mean that how other classify it.

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And I'd argue that Savage isn't actually being catered to.. Just strung along.

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Don't even know what you're saying here. So I just gonna say: I'm very happy and enjoy the time I spent in savage, enough that I raid in 4 char. Last tier I had 2 characters that had every glam from the raid.

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We want the 3rd playstyle again, the Mid-Core, the casuals that still enjoy difficult and rewarding content but don't want to bash their heads against Ultimate or AFK.
It's like the only fun Mid-Core players are allowed to have is within the first 2 months of each expansion, and the first week of each major patch.

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And there is, probably more than 3. From Expert roulette to Ultimate there are a tone of content spread in between. If casual and hardcore are the two end point, the game certainly have a tone of thing in between those no matter how you want to classify it.

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I'm just salty in general.

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Now this is something I can respect.

There is nothing wrong with simply state what you want because ... it's just what you want. I hope more people realize that it's perfectly ok to simply state what they desire without the need of hiding behind pretenses of majority or window-dressing as if it's for a greater cause.

I disagree with pretty much every thing you said in this post, but I still gave you a like for. Keep fighting the good fight. :p

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

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I'm glad you're having fun in CT, I'm not. I also don't believe POTD 3.0 is going to be enough to stop the nosedive we're in for the next year of content lulls.

If 7.0 doesn't hit a higher peak than even the WoW Exodus and break off from the current formula, then we're in for a bad time.

But that's good you're still playing CT 10 years from now and enjoying it.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

I have more fun by spending 15min in CT

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I have more fun by sweeping floor in lumsa for 30 min, than by loosing my last brain cells in CT for 10 min.

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Originally Posted by Remolia

I have more fun by sweeping floor in lumsa for 30 min, than by loosing my last brain cells in CT for 10 min.

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That's why I spend 10min in CT and you spend 30min sweeping the floor in Limsa. We do we, I'm certainly not complaining about people sweeping floor in Limsa. :D

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

All I can say from playing on my own data centre, and even data centre travelling to try to get different experiences, it seems to all be the same feel. I usually only get CT or the current raids in AR during my play time.

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If your character and Striker's are accurate, then all three of us are on the same DC. I do AR pretty much every day. I play in eastern prime time and rarely get CT. Got Rabanastre tonight. Got Dun Scaith yesterday. Been getting a whole lotta Nier and Aglaia. If your char isn't accurate, then yeah it's probably a difference in DC.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

I mean, the fact that this is a topic at all indicates that a large portion of the community don't find them fun and don't want to do them. If so many people found them fun, this wouldn't be up for discussion. Because it wouldn't be an issue. You'd be able to queue and not have to wait for an hour.

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This is still ignoring the fact that the game is heavily biased toward one set of content over another. Players don't really have control over that. At least before Shadowbringers I could avoid unlocking CT on my alts. It's not an option anymore.

The game also doesn't revolve around Alliance Raids, so even those people who find them fun aren't going to queue for them at every opportunity. The waiting problem is purely a game design issue. No consideration is really given to people who want to avoid CT.

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Originally Posted by R041

Surrounded by people that don't even want to play the game, they just want their roulette exp.

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This is another problem, it seems like so many players just want to chase rewards and those rewards don't include having fun. I would love to run content for the sake of it, even if I didn't get anything in return, but I wonder how many other people would enjoy the same.

Yeah, I've seen that alot lately..,
it's perfectly fine to ask for Rewards.., but when it comes to EXP, specially that, In a Roulette. People have no right to game it, or ditch.[like in the past with Castrum Meridianum]

There's only so much that Rewards can do to get people to partake.
and it cant/shouldn't be accumulated on the high end always.

The system and the gameplay are what carries it for longer if there is no Rewards.
[this applies to PVP as well..,]

Can't say when the reward chasing really began.., but it's been there for way long..,
Even before Cutscenes being forced.

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

Yeah, I've seen that alot lately..,
it's perfectly fine to ask for Rewards.., but when it comes to EXP, specially that, In a Roulette. People have no right to game it, or ditch.[like in the past with Castrum Meridianum]

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See, the only reason that was happening, was because Praetorium gave nearly a Whole Level of EXP, for doing nearly nothing.
Meanwhile Castrum, asked you to be more engaged, and you get barely half of what Praetorium gave you. You can argue "Oh you can do this stuff and get all that Exp" But the counter is "Yeah sure, but if I did all of that AND got Prae instead of Castrum, I could get nearly 2 levels instead of just 1"

Castrum had no incentive to run it for people trying to grind out levels. Sure its better for Tomes, but not Exp.
The best way they could have Balanced this so both get played, is if they BUFFED the Castrum MSQ Dungeon. Less people would have complained I think, if Both Dungeons were rewarding and worth your time.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

-true to that extent-

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But then the flip side is that many that questioned would say that mogtomes make Cas worthy, and other reason..,

Still flat out doesn't warrant. as most players who've been around know, it's only when it happens, not if.

But seeing as that's something of the past, not real reason for me to continue talking about it, since it was only a point to prove that No matter what, it shouldn't work that way.
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It's really the only showing that people will value their entitlement when they want.
When the system is Roulette, which should be a lack of choice ones paid off for, in effort to fill queues.

Work as intended/Designed and not broken by players for the unintended.

<Mostly cause if we can solve most of these Reoccurring issues, then we can focus on the less important nice haves.>

I would also say that CT should be added to MSQ. You need it in fact to progress in MSQ. Last night I couldn't progress with my alts MSQ because I got 3h no que for World of Darkness. xD

But to do something against the endless CT runs in alliance raids, CT must be removed from that and added to MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

I would also say that CT should be added to MSQ. You need it in fact to progress in MSQ. Last night I couldn't progress with my alts MSQ because I got 3h no que for World of Darkness. xD

But to do something against the endless CT runs in alliance raids, CT must be removed from that and added to MSQ.

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Not really. If the queuing the Alliance roulette required having all the raids unlocked and for players to meet the ilvl requirement for the highest level applicable raid they wouldn't be able to cheat the matchmaking like they have been to get CT for the bonus roulette exp. The people needing CT raids for progression can just queue the specific raid manually as the reduction in queue manipulation should fill raids for those people faster. We'd also probably see a reduction in the queue cheating if they'd reduce the sync'd ilvl down to what the max available ilvl was at the time each raid was launching. The CT spammers probably would stop wanting CT if they actually had to do all the mechanics.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Not really. If the queuing the Alliance roulette required having all the raids unlocked and for players to meet the ilvl requirement for the highest level applicable raid they wouldn't be able to cheat the matchmaking like they have been to get CT for the bonus roulette exp. The people needing CT raids for progression can just queue the specific raid manually as the reduction in queue manipulation should fill raids for those people faster. We'd also probably see a reduction in the queue cheating if they'd reduce the sync'd ilvl down to what the max available ilvl was at the time each raid was launching. The CT spammers probably would stop wanting CT if they actually had to do all the mechanics.

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This entire post is pure feelycraft. Where is the logic behind saying that if no ilvl cheesing was possible CT queues would be faster? People queueing CT benefit the most from the current system.

You assume an awful lot in this post obviously but particularly strange is the assumption that everyone doing ilvl cheese or not unlocking other araids would still do that roulette. What makes you assume that?