Thank you for inviting Asmongold to the media tour!!

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I still need to hear a convincing argument why having options is a bad thing. Just stick to easy and never think about hard content ever again. That is not difficult, people.

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Waste of dev time. Need more?

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

Waste of dev time. Need more?

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Except it's among the least, if not the very least, wasteful use of development time?

We want development hours to allow for hours of engaging content.

The more engaging player hours produced by a given hour of development time, the more efficient (less wasteful) those development hours are.

This would massively increase hours of engagement available to players, at next to no cost. That is efficient.

But I suppose we should, what, be spending some 20x time on the next Mahjong instead, because such produces such broadly played and engaging gameplay?

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I still need to hear a convincing argument why having options is a bad thing. Just stick to easy and never think about hard content ever again. That is not difficult, people.

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They don't have one, because the real reason; 'selfish spite and hatred of effort' - is one that they cannot brand effectively. That being despite everyone being able to read between the lines. The rapid rush to 'no' any time any difference of opinion is raised, should say more than enough.

Never underestimate the fools propensity for simplicity and ease of reward. If they can bring the world to their braindead level they will. For in any other state, it's not that they can't complete; they also can't brag with minimal investment. Carrot on stick. Shiny gear they must have. Work for it? Hell no. Because they 'pay a sub'. And that gives them the right to stomp on anyone who liked any form of the opposite.

It's quite sickening honestly. Yet honesty, is the one thing that people are afraid of. Thats when we meet our good friend censorship and the real 'waste of time' begins.

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Originally Posted by Ronduwil

Because we've already seen how it plays out in WoW. The playbook goes like this:

1. Difficult dungeon levels are added
2. Players don't find them fun, and no one runs them
3. Gear rewards are removed from the easier dungeons and shifted into the harder dungeons to force players into the harder dungeons through gear incentives
4. Players unsub

FFXIV's surge is due in no small part to WoW's elitist stance on dungeon content.

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That's not at all how it went, though. Gear rewards were never "removed from" easier dungeons or "shifted into" harder ones. Their rewards stayed exactly as they were: just short of the lowest difficulty of the then-current raid tier -- exactly as is done here.

Prior to the Vault shenanigans (wherein M+ weekly rewards were too steep or Raid rewards too low, however you wish to approach gear shortage/inflation), they merely allowed small groups additional means of getting gear equivalent to those of lower raid difficulties, albeit at greater difficulty relative to that reward.

Personally, I'd be totally fine with challenge dungeons or higher dungeon difficulties sharing a weekly cap pool with raids, those rewards being paced behind them, being limited to minute "sidegrades" or alt-gearing (different secondary stat distributions, with an ilvl that cannot exceed your already highest ilvl piece for the given slot unless such would fall below the normal dungeon ilvl -- in which case you just get the normal dungeon loot), or even for the rewards to be almost entirely vanity (titles, glams, maybe some furniture).

Heck, so long as we finally got to see a bit more mechanical depth from dungeons, I'd do them even if they had literally no rewards. I enjoy light-party content and I like having content at the difficulty levels that work for me (which is neither Ultimate nor faceroll).

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Except it's among the least, if not the very least, wasteful use of development time?

We want development hours to allow for hours of engaging content.

The more engaging player hours produced by a given hour of development time, the more efficient (less wasteful) those development hours are.

This would massively increase hours of engagement available to players, at next to no cost. That is efficient.

But I suppose we should, what, be spending some 20x time on the next Mahjong instead, because such produces such broadly played and engaging gameplay?

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It's extra expense/time for something extra and not needed.

Oh, and a Japanese company making content that is popular with their Asian player base is worth it to them.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Seriously though, why are y'all so opposed to optional difficulty choices in 4 man duties, with normal being the standard for dungeons as they are now?

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Even if it's optional, it takes development time away from other parts of the game. A funny monkey's paw response would be for them to release harder dungeon tiers, but remove savage raids.

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Originally Posted by Thoosa

They added unreal trials with unique rewards and always have had extremes with mounts and weapons as rewards - did the community feel pressure to do those?

If not, why would it if they added harder dungeons?

If you’re a casual player do you feel pressure to do Savage and Ex currently? No one needs the additional item level armour from savage to do any of the other content, or the weapon from extreme trials. The only reason to get these things is if you care about min maxing your dps and the sense of achievement for clearing these things.

I guess I don’t understand why people who play casually (and there’s nothing wrong with that at all) would be worried about other content that is designed for people who wish to be challenged and a bit more hardcore?

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It has nothing to do with the -causal- playerbase and everything to do with one.. he already said no. And two, the WoW playerbase doesn't even want M+. It brought them endless RNG, even more toixc mindsets due to the keys, and a lot of other issues that they over there complain about more then we complain about a butt slider. Even Asmon doesn't like M+.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

That said, not surprised to see the idiocy of "lol go back to WoW" being spouted here as per usual. You types sure love to speak about this "great and welcoming community" up until people suggest anything that even remotely doesn't fit into your personal definition of it, at which point you aggressively put down and insult people based on a prior MMO they may or may not have even played.

Go outside. Touch some grass.

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Harder/more challenging content=/=turning FFXIV into WOW

Most of us are not against Harder/More challenging Content, but we are against turning FFXIV into WOW espeically content like Mythic+

I'd love harder dungeons, Tho I do think we sleep on what we have. Deep dungeons are never mentioned when people speak on harder 4 man content. And while that is riddled with crazy RNG it is the perfect piece of content where harder 4 man stuff can live. Seriously, a do and die mode of a party of 4 where we go and fight savage level bosses each getting harder as we progress higher. Like a boss rush that yes if you die you start ALLLL OVER. I'd live in that content if they made the next deep dungeon a boss rush. THAT is stuff we should be asking for.. not for WoW's hand me downs that they don't even like. But then I look at things like -very easy mode- in story dungeons and I'd be lying if I said I didn't lose hope. When steps of fate got nerf my hope died...

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

Oh, and a Japanese company making content that is popular with their Asian player base is worth it to them.

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You say that like a company being Japanese or its player base being largely Asian somehow correlates away from difficulty.

Historically, it's quite the opposite.

They could just bring back '' Hard Dungeons ''.
I actually like that back in ARR how the dungeons had different versions that were harder.

For example Haukke Manor has two different versions.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Oh man I really hope he asks YoshiP to bring Mythic+ and harder raids to FFXIV!

Hopefully FFXIV becomes more like wow!

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Totally bait.

Though for the record I hope it *doesnt*. I've had negative experiences with many (not all) WoW players I've met since they all came over. WoW is dated and needs to stay in the past where it belongs.

Couldn't help but notice you have a bunch of Ultimate weapons. If the game isn't hard enough for you, that's not a reason to change it for everyone else. Maybe go play a different game?

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

You say that like a company being Japanese or its player base being largely Asian somehow correlates away from difficulty.

Historically, it's quite the opposite.

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Expecting sense from someone without any, is a fools errand.

I was right to make sure everyone bring the popcorn to this troll post. MPK has done it again.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

Or maybe the players should continue to enjoy the game and have fun and not approach game content like preparing for the nclex.

That type of gameplay is available many other places and can be experienced there.

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sorry for expecting people to press buttons in a video game they play, I guess?
sad that those players who are actively a detriment to every group get enabled and defended by players like you, though

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

Oh, and a Japanese company making content that is popular with their Asian player base is worth it to them.

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the one community that can use DF for savages and extremes without issues or drama? the one community, where every server's savage clear rate dwarf those even of gilgamesh, the western's server with the highest rate?
ok lol

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Originally Posted by Ronduwil

Your outlook on player mentality is unhealthy. No one enjoys floor tanking. I don't know how a sane person could say that they do with a straight face. As a new player, I'll give you a couple of cases in point of content that is stupidly difficult.

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because I've experienced it multiple times in various amount of "hard" content?
people gleefully kill themselves in the deathwalls during DR and refuse any raise, knowing they won't be able to get kicked
people actively refuse raises because of some made up reason or even no reason during the nier, ivalide or void ark raids and won't roll on loot because it'll guarantee they won't get kicked due to impatient people insta pulling or worse, people defending them when someone points this out
and yes, I've seen people defending those people

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Originally Posted by Ronduwil

The first is the first boss of the second raid in the Void Ark series. You go in your first time, and you're immediately pulled into a black hole that you immediately have to start running out of. I don't care how good of a player you are; if this is your first time in the instance, the chance that you die to that mechanic is about 95%. So you're resurrected, and immediately after the resurrection, you're blown off the ship because you have no idea that you're supposed to put your back to an ice wall. Nothing in the game is going to prepare you for that.

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people generally have a laugh during that boss and explain all the mechanics when the first timers have experienced those - or do you want people to ruin a first timer's experience by explaining every intricate detail of the raid and what the boss will cast throughout the fight?
a friend and I have seen this during orbonne, where someone (mentor, btw) had a macro for every single fight in the game despite people asking to stop using it after the first wall of text due to multiple first timers wanting to do it blind

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Originally Posted by Ronduwil

The next one is the Bozja raid, Delubrum Reginae. Every boss in there has several gimmicky mechanics that everyone is just about guaranteed to die to on their first run. It took me about three runs of that raid just to get to the point where I could survive through the first four bosses without dying at least once. Between the ladder puzzles, the bombs with the reverse weight mechanics, and the Queen's Will stuff, you have plenty of guarantees that a first-time player will be dying regardless of how well the game has prepared them.

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DRN is endgame and it's issues aren't the mechanics, but people not using essences designed for DR
but as I said at the beginning, plenty, and I mean plenty of people refuse raises and just kill themselves or let themselves be killed because they know they won't be kicked, we've had multiple threads about this issue even, so yes, people WILLINGLY floor tank

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Originally Posted by Ronduwil

Also, "average" is a relative measure. In general, half the players will always be below average. The best players will always be far above average. Even if the game "trains" players to play at what you now consider to be an average level, the definition of average will simply shift accordingly, and what you now consider to be a good player will then become average while the player you now consider to be average will be considered bad. That's yet another reason that chasing this dream of designing a game to train everyone to be phenomenal player is futile. In the end, you're just left with a game consisting of the very best players while everyone else moves on to greener pastures where players are treated like customers who want to be entertained rather than like employees who are expected to perform and produce.

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what I mean with average level is simple:
tank: use mitigation, use AOEs vs 2 or more enemies and be able to follow the glowing buttons vs a single target
dps: use their combos, AOE vs 2 or more enemies, buff usage
healer: use their AOE vs 2 or more enemies, don't exclusively rely on hardcasting GCDs to heal

if it's not obvious I'm not talking about sub level 60 players here, but players who have spent a considerable amount of time playing the game at this point

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Originally Posted by Ronduwil

Finally, I'd like to point out that the ability to 15-man these bosses is what makes those mechanics viable right now. As it is, you get to experience the frustration of floor tanking for your first few runs, but once you get a few under your belt, you experience the amusement of watching others fall prey to the same crap that was killing you just hours prior. So you throw down some reses and/or eke out a win with half the players, and you feel like a hero who came through for your fallen comrades. In contrast, the way M+ works in WoW, losing a player in any given fight is at the very least a wipe, and in the worst case it causes the key to fail and the group to disband. No one is amused. Everyone's pissed, the failing player is blacklisted, and time feels wasted.

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I've never played WoW so I don't know how M+ or any other stuff works in that game, but that sounds a bit like the average savage PF stuff I hear about, tbh

I personally don't think that, say, 24 man content should be carryable by a few people but it's not like I can change it, so I don't really complain about it, which also wasn't the point of my post, tbh
as I said before, I'm talking about players who have cleared said content multiple times STILL dying to the same telegraphed things they must've died to a million times at that point and showing no sign of learning at all, not first timers, or worse, people willingly dying and refusing rezzes and knowing that they can get away with it due to various reasons as said earlier

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Yes create some more challenging content including more creative and challenging dungeons; maybe as optional side stuff, or endgame content not tied to the MSQ, or maybe have a small handful of Hard MSQ dungeons.
All of that and a bag a chips, sounds like a GREAT time.
But no, get out of here with the idea of FFXIV needs to be like WoW. All those dumb systems can take a hike

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Just gonna Echo this just in case anybody missed it

I think Age of Conan did dungeons really well. Niche MMORPG from smaller "indie" company.

Khitai expansion (sadly the first and also the final one) offered various of dungeons with dynamic normal and hard mode triggers on the bosses. You could perform specific tasks to activate the optional hard mode which by the way gave better rewards for those deserving them after clearing the boss. You could still solo farm the hard mode tokens but it literally takes forever, at least it did when i played. Few tokens per day and item costs 500 tokens. Good push to learn the hard mode I'd say. Dungeons weren't so scripted so you could clear them with knowledge and gameplay experience. Depending on the class of course.

Heck, they even had Vauthry's distant cousin Po-Sha and he died when demon born out of him. Hit's like a truck.
His hardmode you would activate by attacking him and his elite guard all at the same time without luring the guards away from him like you would normally do.

Would go back 10 years of time just for that one game. Slightly more modern than Classic WoW with mature themes and small tight community

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In contrast, the way M+ works in WoW, losing a player in any given fight is at the very least a wipe, and in the worst case it causes the key to fail and the group to disband. No one is amused. Everyone's pissed, the failing player is blacklisted, and time feels wasted.

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A single wipe will rarely cause a failed run. I've frequently had several wipes and still timed, even above 15s (the reward cap).

Losing a DPS will not guarantee a wipe. Hell, I've gotten through a few off just the tank and a hybrid DPS surviving, or the last fifth of a couple boss fights literally as just the tank. And that's out of 5 players, up from the 4 here.

Spare us the exaggerations. It's fallacious enough to blame trends that have been here since ARR (heck, since 1.x, really) on the recent increases in players coming over from WoW.

Yes, the keystone system is a fairly poor one. For all it offers in a concrete sense of progression and (unfortunately forced) variety, it's ultimately convoluted and anti-player. I could make the same case for the infrequency of checkpoints (or Shadowlands' having even restricted checkpoints in certain dungeons just to give purpose for their incredibly wasteful Covenants system). But that has nothing to do with the actual difficulty or gameplay involved. It's not surprising, therefore that no one arguing for a greater span of difficulties has been arguing for keystones.

Similarly, yes, the way they attached external reward systems (the Vault) to it was poorly done. But no one arguing for more than faceroll-difficulty dungeons has argued that dungeon rewards must be allowed to compete with the highest levels of raiding or otherwise cause a similar debacle. How is that we were fine with a whole expansion's worth of Savage and any full deep dungeon clear, etc., giving no gear reward and yet assume that the moment someone wants more challenging 4-man content beyond what little is provided by cheap procedural generation must be seeking to destroy existing reward paradigms? How WoW rewarded higher difficulties has no bearing on how XIV would do so. We've already plentifully seen the differences.

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Finally, I'd like to point out that the ability to 15-man these bosses is what makes those mechanics viable right now. As it is, you get to experience the frustration of floor tanking for your first few runs, but once you get a few under your belt, you experience the amusement of watching others fall prey to the same crap that was killing you just hours prior.

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On this, I largely agree, but this is also where XIV manages, time and time again, to find the difference between "decreased difficulty" and "increased accessibility". Unintuitive mechanics are not "difficult" beyond first contact. They simply become a "first-timer tax" on your raid; you merely pay the toll via explanation and/or rezzes. At the same time, not introducing players to similar mechanics earlier -- which would technically be an increase (though negligible) in difficulty -- is what makes those mechanics seemingly inaccessible. Gimmicks, practically the core of XIV full party content, are neither difficult (bearing significant cognitive load or expectations) nor accessible.

Just consider: if there more ways to deduce the coming mechanic via signals, clues in previous mechanics, etc., the actual cognitive load on the player (the "difficulty"), would be higher. And yet, there would be fewer deaths and the content would ultimately be more "accessible".

Rinhi isn't wrong to say that the game does a rather poor job of teaching its players. And, to be fair, that's not just due to little exposure; it's equally a matter of what expectations the game seems centered around, which have changed quite a bit over time, only settling before the recent surge of players from WoW.

Finally, though, let's talk about those specific mechanics and similar gimmicks:

• Take the black hole mechanic, for example. When a mechanic pulls you IN, chances are you immediately want to go back OUT.
• If an AoE just went off (inside, outside, across a given linear AoE) and does not present a sustained laser beam or puddle-of-obvious-danger, chances are what was just dangerous is now safe.
• If arrows are pointing in one direction, you typically want to go the opposite way, and if you can fall off of the arena, then you'll want to move to the side of an object that would prevent movement through it, again opposite the direction indicated.

These aren't particularly complex, each basically boiling down to taking back space or control, and back when these things actually mattered (i.e., when mechanics were more impactful even when not necessarily any more likely to outright one-shot on the first hit taken), players were far quicker to acquire these assumptions, expectations, or even a sort of "rhythm" to XIV's fights.

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What I find amusing is that while WoW is a rather actively hostile community, where even within friend groups they're the type who would lowkey bully you and say they're just joking, XIV is the polar opposite - many can be so enabling that calling someone on toxic behavior [such as the examples you gave] is ,ironically, seen as just as toxic... everything has to be always sunshine and rainbows and any negativity is swept under the rug.

It's like people try so hard to not be like WoW [albeit, with good reason] that it somehow became the anti-WoW, and it's not as good as it may sound.

Look you can dislike the guy he is kind of a jerk face and has made some pretty bad comments in terms of just being a human and still feel for him having a sick mom and even though I dislike him and disagree most times he does have some good points same for WoW loved it grew up with it and watched it's fall heck even our beloved Yoshi-p loves WoW I could totally get on board with a ffxiv version of mythic plus now all wow stuff no but there is some good concepts mixed it there with the bad. I dunno People can we just like even if we dislike each other be nice...I could really use some faith in humanity right now. Also hope his mom gets better sucks losing your mom..

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Originally Posted by Jin-

I think Age of Conan did dungeons really well. Niche MMORPG from smaller "indie" company.

Khitai expansion (sadly the first and also the final one) offered various of dungeons with dynamic normal and hard mode triggers on the bosses. You could perform specific tasks to activate the optional hard mode which by the way gave better rewards for those deserving them after clearing the boss. You could still solo farm the hard mode tokens but it literally takes forever, at least it did when i played. Few tokens per day and item costs 500 tokens. Good push to learn the hard mode I'd say. Dungeons weren't so scripted so you could clear them with knowledge and gameplay experience. Depending on the class of course.

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It's a cool system, and you'll see it in tab-target MMOs from time to time (even WoW has a fair few examples), but I'm not so sure we could pull it off here. In matchmade content, people here expect to enter what they queued for -- not enter, then have to decide what they can do (normal or hard), what they want to do (normal or hard), and then finally go through either of two different experiences.

so sick of the asmongold simps posting their rubbish. please,just go away. let us enjoy our game without your lord and savior interfering.

If the usual suspects keep crying in every thread about wanting harder dungeons, I guess I'll keep reposting YoshiP's interview from May.

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Naoki Yoshida: I’d like to refrain from giving away too many specifics at this time, but I think the chances of doing large-scale, challenging content is greater than creating high-difficulty content meant for smaller groups. It’s not that we are unable to create high-difficulty content for small groups, but currently I am a bit more hesitant with that direction overall.

In the case of a four-player high-difficulty dungeon, there is much less room for players to work with when it comes to party deaths or mistakes. If even a single party member is incapacitated or makes a mistake, it will invariably lead to a wipe, with not much leeway to save the run or come up with a creative solution. Another major reason is because our community continues to grow—naturally this is bringing in many casual players, and I believe that when looking at the bigger pictures, large-scale content will be easier for all players to get into.

If anything, one possibility might be high-difficulty floor(s) of the Deep Dungeon series… but please stay tuned for future announcements!

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

If the usual suspects keep crying in every thread about wanting harder dungeons, I guess I'll keep reposting YoshiP's interview from May.

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People either forget what Yohi-P says, or they ignore it like it never happened and keep pushing for these things.
That or there is legit people who never heard his stance.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

People either forget what Yohi-P says, or they ignore it like it never happened and keep pushing for these things.
That or there is legit people who never heard his stance.

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Well, we learned that Yoshi P does the opposite of what he says. He said personal housings would be more affordable and separate from FC house, but they're not. He said no male viera and female hrothgar and now we will see them soon. No door bosses for raids this expansion (not that I'm against that rofl) and we got one for E12s. BLU would be a solo content for fun, and now it's one of the best raiding content (Glad he did). And the list goes on.

By that logic, we are getting harder 4 men content!! We just need the raiding community to speak much louder about it. And thanks to Asmongold and the other fellow hardcore raiders that joined, the dream will be a reality!

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Well, we learned that Yoshi P does the opposite of what he says. He said personal housings would be more affordable and separate from FC house, but they're not. He said no male viera and female hrothgar and now we will see them soon. No door bosses for raids this expansion (not that I'm against that rofl) and we got one for E12s. BLU would be a solo content for fun, and now it's one of the best raiding content (Glad he did). And the list goes on.

By that logic, we are getting harder 4 men content!! We just need the raiding community to speak much louder about it. And thanks to Asmongold and the other fellow hardcore raiders that joined, the dream will be a reality!

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Oh damn, by that logic FF14 classic is right around the corner. Lets go!

Jep. I guess we will see FF14 1.13 soon. :)

Cheers

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so sick of the asmongold simps posting their rubbish. please,just go away. let us enjoy our game without your lord and savior interfering.

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It's like when doing search results on Youtube and seeing all of those channels that simply repost his videos.

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And thanks to Asmongold and the other fellow hardcore raiders that joined, the dream will be a reality!

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I mean... if they'll invite Mr. Happy and Sly why not Asmon... (just joking)

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he's here because thats where the money is. WoW was drying up.

its nice he is enjoying the game, but after trashing it for YEARS, I dont consider him a saviour of anything except his bank account.

he harmed the game more than he has helped it, and yet it still went on without him, and with him bashing it to his cult.

him being invited is more of an insult to the people who have been here and supported the game than a blessing.

he came here for money, they invited him as a PR move... thats all...

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I'm confused, are we discussing MPK or Asmongold?

I don't personally think Asmongold joined the game cause wow is dying or so, he like most streamers want to broaden their scope and people been asking him to test FF for years and seeing how many in his own main game (wow) jumps ship he felt more than likely inclined to do it too.

Call it chasing money if you want or not, I think he was doing just fine with his own community with bits and donations, since people watch him for him and not what he plays.

But many in this community likes to bash on the guy cause they have a biast or hatred for the him for some reason (not saying you do Kes13a, just quoting your reply).

Him getting invited to media tour is purely a PR move on SE after seeing his popularity, 100% but calling it an insult to other people I think is reaching.

What I find amusing is so many people on this forums and other social media think people can't change opinion on a game when they makes the decision to play it. "x hated it for years and now he joined MY game!" kind of mentality.

"he won't last past Lv20"
"he will quit before ARR MSQ is done"
"he will skip"
"he can't beat x synced, no echo"

List goes on.

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so sick of the asmongold simps posting their rubbish. please,just go away. let us enjoy our game without your lord and savior interfering.

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Well, you clicked on a notorious forum troll post. What did you expect?

Just stop feeding into his threads. This guy has been single-handedly causing this type of trouble for some time, yet hasn't been banned yet. The pattern is simple: Start with a controversial topic, and divide the playerbase even more. Let the thread die so more useful threads instead of his can garner attention. Everyone has their opinions on content in the game but ultimately we need to trust the developers on their decision into the future. Also it's a good start to tolerate views other than your own; there is no harm in trying to see what the other side is saying.

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Just stop feeding into his threads.

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But you did?

Yes because everyone else seemed to fail to grasp that logic. It's pointless because this thread was created for the sole purpose of drama, it never tried to accomplish a healthy discussion to begin with.

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People either forget what Yohi-P says, or they ignore it like it never happened and keep pushing for these things.
That or there is legit people who never heard his stance.

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They ignore it to keep trolling. It's the way forums work.

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They ignore it to keep trolling. It's the way forums work.

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Not much else going on until Endwalker. People just want to have their fun. I mean they get so many people on these forums triggered = fueling the ego of the troll accounts.

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Yes because everyone else seemed to fail to grasp that logic. It's pointless because this thread was created for the sole purpose of drama, it never tried to accomplish a healthy discussion to begin with.

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Have you seen any thread that involved Asmongold that ended up in a healthy discussion? I can't recall a single one.

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Have you seen any thread that involved Asmongold that ended up in a healthy discussion? I can't recall a single one.

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probably a very good reason for that, likely a LOT of good reasons for that, not the least of which is subject matter

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probably a very good reason for that, likely a LOT of good reasons for that, not the least of which is subject matter

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Seriously, who hurt you.
Can you specify a good reason you can't have a healthy discussion about a streamer without it turns into a hate flame war?

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

If the usual suspects keep crying in every thread about wanting harder dungeons, I guess I'll keep reposting YoshiP's interview from May.

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The interview basically states he's hesitant and stay tuned for future announcements?

Hesitant doesn't mean "absolutely not". It means unsure, for the reasons he stated. Developers who are unsure about something, in this case worried that four player content would be too much stress and the playerbase would prefer large scale content, value feedback very highly. They want to know how the players feel.

Your quote actually bashes yourself, the usual suspects who keep crying in every thread regarding feedback on harder dungeon content. Because Yoshida has never actually said "No, final answer".

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Seriously, who hurt you.
Can you specify a good reason you can't have a healthy discussion about a streamer without it turns into a hate flame war?

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The game is what is bigger & important. Not a streamer who happens to play it whether he/she likes it or not.

The streamer worship is completely...weird.