So, new hair coming out... Just...

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Originally Posted by spf1200

Oh look it's this thread again.

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If only we had some kind of megathread for this topic...

Why isn't this in the Megathread, OP?

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

When Square tries do reduce work to make hairstyle exclusive for men, ppl cry about it. Right now "Unlocking" and "unisex" works better for feminine characters but for masculine characters ? Not really.

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Which is what many of us expected would be the case.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Dated 01-01-2021.

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So he confirmed they're working on it. There was no indication that this specific hairstyle or all the other ones will be available on this patch. Wait for an announcement that isn't vague.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

Why isn't this in the Megathread, OP?

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Because OP thinks her request is somehow unique from the other ones asking for hair and hats.

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Originally Posted by iVolke

Because OP thinks her request is somehow unique from the other ones asking for hair and hats.

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The cool thing is posting in the megathread and making a smaller thread aren't mutually exclusive and help make more noise on an issue, if you don't want to read the thread don't click on it.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

modders can alter the the model because those files stay in their own computer (client) instead of sending that information to FF14 server. You don't even have a clue on what you are talking about. If server refuse just even on slight error to the client, client will crash. It is not that easy.

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You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, the server isn't constantly checking files as you play, it won't crash your game if things don't match up, things crash if something just flat out doesn't work and stops the game from working. And none of that changes that the hairs seem to work fine as is on Viera most of the time, some ear clipping or whatnot is not an issue.

I'm not wholly sure how locking an entire race out of using optional hairstyles (some of which are only obtainable via the FFXIV Store...for cash) is SE being "greedy".

Like, fundamentally, they want the races to have access to all the hair, because you're more likely to spend money on the cash shop if you have access to all the hair on your character. The more you like your character, the more likely you are to spend money on them.

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Originally Posted by Zysets

It's definitely ridiculous to think new hairs and such aren't made to accommodate new races, I understand the backlog of material not being compatible until future updates, it was the case for Au Ra as well during Heavensward, but I would like to think new options would be made with Viera in mind? If it's clipping issues, I don't think most people would be bothered by the ears clipping a bit into hair ;p

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Is defnitely not clipping issues... The new hair head top is pretty flat, the ear models would have no problem popping out from them.

In fact, I don't think there is any style, other than that delinquent pompadour or the Sahz's one that would have anything clipping through ears that start on the top of the head.

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Originally Posted by iVolke

So he confirmed they're working on it. There was no indication that this specific hairstyle or all the other ones will be available on this patch. Wait for an announcement that isn't vague.

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That quote doesn't read like they are actually actively working on hairs to me. Just that we would get hairs sooner or later.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

That quote doesn't read like they are actually actively working on hairs to me. Just that we would get hairs sooner or later.

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Yeah, for sure. A vague comment in response to a question an interviewer happened to ask almost 2 years later isn't exactly the type of transparency we are looking for on this matter.

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Originally Posted by PurinSato

Lissen I get what you are saying, and I understand your are frustrated. I'm just underlining that the word Racism is very heavy. People get insulted, suffer from physical aggression and even die everyday just because they have different skin tone.
And I think its a bit too much saying SE and Yoshi P are racist. Call them Bunnyphobic, perhaps is better word with no heavy and real meaning attached to it!

I don't want to keep speaking about this, cuz I don't to bring politics to this thread or forum.
But please think about it!

Other than that I do agree with you! Let's keep making noise, let keep creating new threads every time a new hair is released and they are not available for us!!

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I don't agree with you on the initial topic. We aren't a community of children. The very game addresses matters of genocide and murder, two of the most heavy actions that can occur in our reality. The lion's share of us aren't going to crumble at the mere mention of a word being used to the point of not even being able to assess its context. Also, I did not say that SE or Yoshi P are racist in general as if it's some sort of status aliment a person or entity can be afflicted with. I am being literal that the action is racist against the race of Viera in regard to excluding them for content every other race (minus Hroth) are getting for their hair continuously for two years now. Even for hairs made post their release.

Ultimately, context to words matter when assessing their meaning and that applies equally even to words such as racism. The people of this community are more than mentally capable of making such distinctions. Those complaining and being upset have shown failure on their part to reasonably assess the accurate use of my word use and I would go as far to say that such people are even being overly sensitive in regard to its usage. Thus, I find the fault on them rather than on myself, as the usage of my word is correct in context. I don't even think it's a matter of politics in that regard.

And yes, other than that I am in full agreement. It's to the issue's benefit to have this topic discussed with a new thread each time it arises. And, since it is often brought up, I also think it's great to talk about it in the megathread. Both together will help maximize awareness of the issue. I suppose one could go even a step forward and email Square about it as well. All of which has my support. Differences of opinion on various other things aside, I think it's good that we can come together on this issue finally being addressed and talked about from the FFXIV team. It's something worth continually pushing for until a real plan to address it is talked about and comes to fruition. It's more than reasonable, especially at this point in time.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

First of all, you are exaggerating because you are trying to label "racism" on something they already announced before they release the race.
Secondly, modders can alter the the model because those files stay in their own computer (client) instead of sending that information to FF14 server. You don't even have a clue on what you are talking about. If server refuse just even on slight error to the client, client will crash. It is not that easy.
Third, you have no clue how Japanese or any asian company operates. They don't have the luxury just hire/fire freely as US company (who usually is ruthless). If they are hiring someone, it must be talented and undergoes series of training because company is going to think this employ with stay with them as their career. They also don't pay garbage like black hearted Blizzard, it is not that simple

Conclusion? Stop whining and just wait. They did follow through with male Viera and they definitely will get back to the head skeleton part of Viera when they have time.

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I'm not "trying," I am correctly stating what it is. To continuously exclude the Viera race of hairstyles when all the other races in the game get them is literally an instance of racist action. It's not nearly as unfair as if it was racism towards the races of real people, obviously, but no one has stated that. So, no, it's not an overexaggeration. You are just being overly sensitive to the word because you are caught up in the sensationalism around the term and desperately want to defend Square. It is a correct usage of the word racist to describe an act of exclusion targeted towards a race in a game though.

What are you even saying? There is no difference between what file structure the vanilla game uses vs. a modded game. The files are merely swapped out when you mod. The vanilla models being updated merely changes what those vanilla models are. Are you trying to imply that if a hair is out of place it's going to cause the game to crash? It might cause a bit of clipping, but no, what you describe isn't even somewhat sensible in the slightest. You literally just proved to anyone with any know how of the game that you are the one who has no idea what you are talking about, but that you are pretending that you do because you are just that much of a brownnose. Thanks for proving that point further for me.

Japanese companies outsource, what are you talking about? I don't understand this mindset of just making things up to desperately defend a corporation of all things.

Conclusion? No, I can complain as much as I want, as can anyone else, so long as we do so within the forum rules. You're just going to have to deal with it. If anything, you are the one who isn't at all being constructive and literally just making things up to desperately to defend a corp. I can't believe you actually thought that would accomplish anything.

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Originally Posted by Shofie

I'm not wholly sure how locking an entire race out of using optional hairstyles (some of which are only obtainable via the FFXIV Store...for cash) is SE being "greedy".

Like, fundamentally, they want the races to have access to all the hair, because you're more likely to spend money on the cash shop if you have access to all the hair on your character. The more you like your character, the more likely you are to spend money on them.

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Because it isn't just locking people out of hairstyles. It's avoiding putting the effort, resources and time into creating a plan, allocating budget, or seeking an outsource option (if necessary) to accomplish the goal. There's an obvious benefit, of course, to doing it, but they clearly didn't want to invest what was necessary to accomplish it, else it would have been completed within a 2 year window. They clearly didn't think the return was worth it and that it was more worthwhile to shaft those who are drawn to play the race of Viera. Us who complain and are disgruntled by their choice is the fallout from that.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

That quote doesn't read like they are actually actively working on hairs to me. Just that we would get hairs sooner or later.

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The point is you're getting them. Your argument seems to be "I want them nOw" which seems a little childish.

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Originally Posted by iVolke

The point is you're getting them. Your argument seems to be "I want them nOw" which seems a little childish.

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It's been two years dude. Give em a break.

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Originally Posted by iVolke

The point is you're getting them. Your argument seems to be "I want them nOw" which seems a little childish.

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Two. Years. It's not "I want them now", it's, "We've waited two years." What are you on?

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Originally Posted by Yandere-chan

Because Square is greedy and racist

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Originally Posted by Yandere-chan

just to increase the number of people they will racially exclude

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Originally Posted by Yandere-chan

This is not a status quo we should tolerate any longer. We have clearly waited long enough.

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Those are some pretty strong words to describe a lack of hairstyles on your bunny girl.

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Originally Posted by TroySoFab

Those are some pretty strong words to describe a lack of hairstyles on your bunny girl.

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You mean a lack of an address for nearly 2 years with no actual discussion or communication, not even at fanfest, and having to re-experience it with every new hair that is released? The words aren't too strong, nor too weak, but accurate. Viera are a game race, to exclude them as a race is racist in context to content exclusion, thus I use the word racist to describe the action of doing so because it's correct to do so, which is plain to see in the full context of my posts. It's not my problem if some people lose all composure and sense at the word because of being too caught up in sensationalism around the adjective (or just purposely attempting to derail and fish for clout...). Context matters, and that you have to remove context from my posts to try to make a faulty point tells me that you have no intention of having legitimate discussion of the actual topic of the thread. Which, if that's the case, make your own topic, by all means.

i am going to speculate we will never get new hairstyles .. maybe 1 or 2 over the upcoming 2-3 years , why? because as someone said (jokingly) which now i believe to be true they don't want Viera to become the most popular race now with male Viera added ,. why ? because when someone google ffxiv the first thing they see are pictures of miqos and lalafells so they are the face of ffxiv? viera were suppose to be a fan requested race only .
if you say lalafells are not that popular in the west they are extremely popular on Japanese servers .

I mean with them working on male viera and hrothgals? You ain't likely seeing new hairs for a while for either since they already stressed that just doing male viera was only by working super hard as is, and once they are out they will likely be using any extra time to then work on the hrothgals.

So yeah.

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Originally Posted by iVolke

The point is you're getting them. Your argument seems to be "I want them nOw" which seems a little childish.

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It's not. People are paying money every month for their subscription, I think they have a right to ask the devs to hurry up.

Can't say anything to the racist argument. Just let me say that I've seen pics with the new hairstyle on viera (mods of course) and I don't get why they aren't getting that style. It's pretty, it doesn't clip, I just fucking love it.

Hurry up SE. May you destroy our dreams but give us a statement. Are we forced in only the starter styles?

Okay first of all to be clear I myself play on ps4 only. I stopped playing Viera because it was kinda frustrating not to be able to use the hair drops I got.

I know someone on pc and they have their bunny modded and any of the hair works just fine, and many of the hats. (Yeah I know this isn't allowed but it's not my account)

Why doesn't this company allow the submission of mods for approval, or for use by the company themselves. It would cut out a lot of work for SE and the community could also get involved.

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Originally Posted by Yandere-chan

Because it isn't just locking people out of hairstyles. It's avoiding putting the effort, resources and time into creating a plan, allocating budget, or seeking an outsource option (if necessary) to accomplish the goal. There's an obvious benefit, of course, to doing it, but they clearly didn't want to invest what was necessary to accomplish it, else it would have been completed within a 2 year window. They clearly didn't think the return was worth it and that it was more worthwhile to shaft those who are drawn to play the race of Viera. Us who complain and are disgruntled by their choice is the fallout from that.

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Exactly, same old boring repetitive useless thread because you didn’t get what you want. The only difference is you act as worst of d them all as you are also defamation

They already stated female hrothgat is next, you can keep you pointless whining

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Exactly, same old boring repetitive useless thread because you didn’t get what you want. The only difference is you act as worst of d them all as you are also defamation

They already stated female hrothgat is next, you can keep you pointless whining

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And when male Viera and female Hrothgar are out and they still haven't done anything the threads are going to keep coming.

So you'll just have to deal with the pointless whining.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

And when male Viera and female Hrothgar are out and they still haven't done anything the threads are going to keep coming.

So you'll just have to deal with the pointless whining.

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Then go post in mega thread if that is the option you want to take.
You will get response from the same audience; you dont see me posting there
What do you expect when random people making thread here and there whining about same thing?

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Then go post in mega thread if that is the option you want to take.
You will get response from the same audience; you dont see me posting there
What do you expect when random people making thread here and there whining about same thing?

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I'm not expecting anything, but it's not like you can stop people from making threads you don't like so you're just gonna have to deal with it or ignore it.

Besides, it's the General Discussion forums, we're not exactly scribbling on the Dead Sea scrolls here. It's really not that deep.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

I agree with the OP; nitpicking on words is a very convenient way to not discuss the topic.
Square enix is a multi billion dollar organization; they get paid to have community managers who will/might pass topics of discussion to them.

The FFXIV team is one that went through FFXIV 1.0 and the lead up to 2.0, they know criticism of the game is never personal and is always done out of love for the game. It's not when people are passionate/mean that you should worry, it's when they stop that you should. I've seen plenty of promising mmorpgs where the playerbase criticized the devs out of love, but now you go to their forums, social media, or discord and it's a desert. They couldn't pay anyone to give feedback about the game if they wanted to.

As for the topic at hand; I'll repeat, they will fix the hair situation sometime in Endwalker. I can't say it'll be 6.0 when Endwalker comes out, but I can almost guarantee that it'll be by 6.1. As much as they love everything to be a marketing surprise for Live Letters, etc, this issue with the hairstyles for female Viera really stings for them.

I understand pre-Shadowbringers hairstyles, but patch 5.5 is adding a new hairstyle and they can't use it, ouch.


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A guarantee?!!! Where did you get that information from?

There's absolutely no official standpoint on this matter.

You do not have any references to back up your claim because - guess what - you just made them on your mind!

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

I agree with the OP; nitpicking on words is a very convenient way to not discuss the topic.
Square enix is a multi billion dollar organization; they get paid to have community managers who will/might pass topics of discussion to them.

The FFXIV team is one that went through FFXIV 1.0 and the lead up to 2.0, they know criticism of the game is never personal and is always done out of love for the game. It's not when people are passionate/mean that you should worry, it's when they stop that you should. I've seen plenty of promising mmorpgs where the playerbase criticized the devs out of love, but now you go to their forums, social media, or discord and it's a desert. They couldn't pay anyone to give feedback about the game if they wanted to.

As for the topic at hand; I'll repeat, they will fix the hair situation sometime in Endwalker. I can't say it'll be 6.0 when Endwalker comes out, but I can almost guarantee that it'll be by 6.1. As much as they love everything to be a marketing surprise for Live Letters, etc, this issue with the hairstyles for female Viera really stings for them.

I understand pre-Shadowbringers hairstyles, but patch 5.5 is adding a new hairstyle and they can't use it, ouch.


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It's not really nitpicking, the reason why people keep arguing about it is because the OP refuses to back down from something that people think is pretty obvious.
I think that if you showed the comments about it being racism to pretty much anyone they'd have a very negative reaction to it and think that it's a crazy accusation.

No one is saying that you can't criticize the devs either, in this very thread there are people criticizing both the OP for throwing the term '' racism '' around so wildly AND criticizing the devs for the hairstyle situation.
I am pretty sure that if you went up to Yoshida and accused him of being racist he'd have a negative reaction to it too and take it personally.
Because it is a personal attack and accusation.

That's not tone policing either, no one is criticizing the OP for being emotional people are criticizing the OP for that term being used.
If the OP had just not used that but been upset it wouldn't be a problem.

Posting a fancy screenshot you found with a nice buzzword is also a convenient way to not have to adress peoples actual problems and criticism.

Edit: Maybe some people are criticizing the OP for being emotional, but not the person you accused of tone policing.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

And when male Viera and female Hrothgar are out and they still haven't done anything the threads are going to keep coming.

So you'll just have to deal with the pointless whining.

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Have they even said that the Male Viera hair won't be usable on Female Viera?
I mean Male Viera had very similar looking hair in the trailer it wouldn't even surprise me if they end up sharing hair and that's how they add more.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6NxPJ_BPSwU/maxresdefault.jpg

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Originally Posted by Vallaresi

A guarantee?!!! Where did you get that information from?

There's absolutely no official standpoint on this matter.

You do not have any references to back up your claim because - guess what - you just made them on your mind!

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This is some real facts and logics right here, you're a real internet debater.
Respect.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

I agree with the OP; nitpicking on words is a very convenient way to not discuss the topic.
Square enix is a multi billion dollar organization; they get paid to have community managers who will/might pass topics of discussion to them.

The FFXIV team is one that went through FFXIV 1.0 and the lead up to 2.0, they know criticism of the game is never personal and is always done out of love for the game. It's not when people are passionate/mean that you should worry, it's when they stop that you should. I've seen plenty of promising mmorpgs where the playerbase criticized the devs out of love, but now you go to their forums, social media, or discord and it's a desert. They couldn't pay anyone to give feedback about the game if they wanted to.

As for the topic at hand; I'll repeat, they will fix the hair situation sometime in Endwalker. I can't say it'll be 6.0 when Endwalker comes out, but I can almost guarantee that it'll be by 6.1. As much as they love everything to be a marketing surprise for Live Letters, etc, this issue with the hairstyles for female Viera really stings for them.

I understand pre-Shadowbringers hairstyles, but patch 5.5 is adding a new hairstyle and they can't use it, ouch.


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It's not really nitpicking, the reason why people keep arguing about it is because the OP refuses to back down from something that people think is pretty obvious.
I think that if you showed the comments about it being racism to pretty much anyone they'd have a very negative reaction to it and think that it's a crazy accusation.

No one is saying that you can't criticize the devs either, in this very thread there are people criticizing both the OP for throwing the term '' racism '' around so wildly AND criticizing the devs for the hairstyle situation.
I am pretty sure that if you went up to Yoshida and accused him of being racist he'd have a negative reaction to it too and take it personally.
Because it is a personal attack and accusation.

That's not tone policing either, no one is criticizing the OP for being emotional people are criticizing the OP for that term being used.
If the OP had just not used that but been upset it wouldn't be a problem.

Have they even said that the Male Viera hair won't be usable on Female Viera?
I mean Male Viera had very similar looking hair in the trailer it wouldn't even surprise me if they end up sharing hair and that's how they add more.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6NxPJ_BPSwU/maxresdefault.jpg

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Originally Posted by Vallaresi

A guarantee?!!! Where did you get that information from?

There's absolutely no official standpoint on this matter.

You do not have any references to back up your claim because - guess what - you just made them on your mind!

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This is some real facts and logics right here, you're a real internet debater.
Respect.

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You're right, it isn't nitpicking quite as much as it's bad faith clout fishing (if not veiled attempts to derail) and/or oversensitivity to the accurate usage of language. It is content exclusion specifically for an in-game race, thus it is racist content exclusion. Trying to twist that into me saying they are racist in general is malicious and a deliberate misreading of the context of what I said. I will not pretend it is something it isn't just because you think the term should only ever be used in reference to the real world races of actual people. Language is contextual, and so you must read it in regard to its contextual use, not clutch your pearls and ignore the context because you want to be self righteous or what not.

Theorizing that female Viera will get a bunch of male hairs isn't some sort of solution to what we are generally complaining about which is a lack of communication for almost two years now. And, really, what most of us want, and rightfully so, is Viera versions of all item add-on hair to be made and there have been numerous posts explaining why that is more than reasonable to be done. But, I digress as the matter of male Viera hair being added to female Viera or not is really besides the point to begin with as explained.

Amnmaat didn't say he can guarantee anything. That is a blatant misreading of what he said and thus a strawman. He said he can give an "almost guarantee," which expresses nothing but strong belief. That you think this is "real facts and logics" or the words of a "real internet debater" is really just adding evidence of you finding appeal in faulty argumentation and bad faith social engagement. When you actually correctly read what he said, he made no claims of guarantees, but instead expressed strong belief that there would be hairs added by 6.1. In which, that's nothing really to criticize. I personally do not share in his belief given how these last 2 years were like in regard to the matter, but I also understand some people like to be rather optimistic. Regardless, I find the aggression and ill tactics aimed at him to be in poor taste and even poorer ethics.

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Originally Posted by Vallaresi

A guarantee?!!! Where did you get that information from?

There's absolutely no official standpoint on this matter.

You do not have any references to back up your claim because - guess what - you just made them on your mind!

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

They should really put out a new statement regarding female Viera hair. Hrothgar is a separate race with a design choice where the hair is selected along with the face.
If it's any consolation, once male Viera comes out they will never treat female Viera and male Hrothgar as one race. Once this happens they can start letting the Viera race (male and female) get old hairstyles from mogstation, seasonal events, and possibly even level 1 hats and artifact hats/helmets.
It's not easy waiting until Endwalker but they will fix the hair situation, that's a guarantee.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

As for the topic at hand; I'll repeat, they will fix the hair situation sometime in Endwalker. I can't say it'll be 6.0 when Endwalker comes out, but I can almost guarantee that it'll be by 6.1. As much as they love everything to be a marketing surprise for Live Letters, etc, this issue with the hairstyles for female Viera really stings for them.

I understand pre-Shadowbringers hairstyles, but patch 5.5 is adding a new hairstyle and they can't use it, ouch.

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Originally Posted by Yandere-chan

Amnmaat didn't say he can guarantee anything. That is a blatant misreading of what he said and thus a strawman. He said he can give an "almost guarantee," which expresses nothing but strong belief. That you think this is "real facts and logics" or the words of a "real internet debater" is really just adding evidence of you finding appeal in faulty argumentation and bad faith social engagement. When you actually correctly read what he said, he made no claims of guarantees, but instead expressed strong belief that there would be hairs added by 6.1. In which, that's nothing really to criticize. I personally do not share in his belief given how these last 2 years were like in regard to the matter, but I also understand some people like to be rather optimistic. Regardless, I find the aggression and ill tactics aimed at him to be in poor taste and even poorer ethics.

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Oh sweetie... I even grabbed his previous comments for your reading pleasure and, also, according to the dictionary:

- To guarantee is to promise with certainty and
- A belief is an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

So we get two different concepts here; better pick one that better suits your rationale right? I'm not discussing semantics with you any further.

If someone is coming here to guarantee whatever, better be prepared to back up the claim as a normal person does.

Let us be real it probably came down to new hair styles for females or the male counter part. We saw the one they choose. Now the question remains will you guys have to wait until female hrogth are added before you hair?

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Originally Posted by Vallaresi

Oh sweetie... I even grabbed his previous comments for your reading pleasure and, also, according to the dictionary:

- To guarantee is to promise with certainty and
- A belief is an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

So we get two different concepts here; better pick one that better suits your rationale right? I'm not discussing semantics with you any further.

If someone is coming here to guarantee whatever, better be prepared to back up the claim as a normal person does.

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The first post of his isn't the one you quoted in your reply to him. The second one was, which is his latest post on the matter, in which he clarifies it's an "almost guarantee." You can't in good faith exclude the modifier of a word to single out that word to make your point as that is misrepresenting what the person says. It's literally deception and misrepresentation. It's not even a question of semantics. That's like going to someone who says, "I hardly miss him," removing the hardly modifier, and acting if the person said they missed him. It completely changes what the person conveyed. Just like here, an almost guarantee means he can't quite guarantee it, but it's so likely in his belief that he can almost guarantee it. The word almost is not some meaningless word that you can just toss out because it's convientant for you to do so to respond harshly to him. If you are posting in good faith, I'm sure you can understand that.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Let us be real it probably came down to new hair styles for females or the male counter part. We saw the one they choose. Now the question remains will you guys have to wait until female hrogth are added before you hair?

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This. I think what many ppl don't realize is that even though SE is a multi-million dollar company, their resources are not infinite and while XIV is a profitable game, there are a lot of other, more important, pieces of this game as well as other games they need to put not only money but also development toward.

Is it crappy that they cannot deliver more hair styles? yes. Is it the end of the world that is costing them subs? Maybe a handful, but not likely even a remotely noticeable amount. They likely had to make a choice, and they chose to appease the ppl who have the 2 year old, thousands of replies long thread about wanting male viera over those who just want new hair. And they chose reasonably.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Let us be real it probably came down to new hair styles for females or the male counter part. We saw the one they choose. Now the question remains will you guys have to wait until female hrogth are added before you hair?

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be kinda funny how deep this rabbit hole can go
imagining the carnage of 4 years with no new hair styles
or they just get 1 1/2 hairstyles (since most viera hair are the same just some have less detail)

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

This. I think what many ppl don't realize is that even though SE is a multi-million dollar company, their resources are not infinite and while XIV is a profitable game, there are a lot of other, more important, pieces of this game as well as other games they need to put not only money but also development toward.

Is it crappy that they cannot deliver more hair styles? yes. Is it the end of the world that is costing them subs? Maybe a handful, but not likely even a remotely noticeable amount. They likely had to make a choice, and they chose to appease the ppl who have the 2 year old, thousands of replies long thread about wanting male viera over those who just want new hair. And they chose reasonably.

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Multi-billion, to put it more accurately. While their resources are not infinite, the idea that they couldn't afford to hire temporary staff or outsource the task of merely adjusting hairs to fit the Viera head, something many hairs would need very little to be able to do which can be seen through the efforts of modders, seems rather preposterous to me. The idea that it was an either or scenario in regard to how much money they could afford to spend seems very unrealistic to me. Especially over a two year window, in which, this issue too has had constant feedback over from the beginning, just like male Viera. One or the other being personally more important to you doesn't change that for many others, their cares are with the female Viera's lack of hair and headgear support. And beyond that, and this does matter quite a bit, the lack of communication about it all speaks volumes to those who have taken up issue with it, especially given the amount of time and missed opportunities for Square to do otherwise. It's frustration and fuss that is more than well deserved at this point, and it will not cease until a resolution is met. Rather, it will only increase in time, and fairly so.

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Originally Posted by Yandere-chan

Because Square is greedy and racist against Viera, they won't be getting a variant. Like, seriously. Enough is enough. It's dumb that they literally exclude hair variants for an entire race in the game due to greed. It should be a standard to make variants for Viera for every added hair.

There has been more than ample time to accomplish that. Now, they are going to add Viera boys just to increase the number of people they will racially exclude new customization options to in the name of greed. And yeah, they have every right to exclude races of customization additions, just as we have every right to complain and incentivize them to choose to stop excluding races.

It should be unacceptable at this point. This is not a status quo we should tolerate any longer. We have clearly waited long enough. Square is screwing us over because they refuse to give FFXIV its proper budget to meet what should be a minimum. Clearly, they aren't going to change anything on their own w/o us making a fit over it. After this long, that can not be denied.

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Imagine being so petty and self-centered/entitled about...hairstyles to the point you would call them..."Greedy" and "Racist", like really? I wish I could downvote you into the negatives but sadly this ain't reddit.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

They likely had to make a choice, and they chose to appease the ppl who have the 2 year old, thousands of replies long thread about wanting male viera over those who just want new hair. And they chose reasonably.

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The only reason a mega thread wasn't started over this much sooner was because, as far as we knew, they didn't need convincing or coaxing to actually do it. They had already consented to adding hairstyles and faces/manes before the expansion even came out, so we had no reason to not believe they wouldn't at the time, or that it'd take this long. Because that'd be crazy right? Almost two years with not a single hairstyle added?

I'm not gonna say they choose poorly because in the end that's their decision to make, but like Yandere said, I find it hard to believe they had 0 resources in all this time to even adapt a single hairstyle or give a less vague update than "please wait a bit longer".

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I'm not gonna say they choose poorly because in the end that's their decision to make, but like Yandere said, I find it hard to believe they had 0 resources in all this time to even adapt a single hairstyle or give a less vague update than "please wait a bit longer".

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Because hairstyles aren't important right now. You think hairstyles take precedence over actual content? Endwalker is a lot bigger than ShadowBringers. Alongside the strict schedule they follow for patches/updates and with Covid-19 impacting their production you seriously think hairstyles are more important and should be top priority? You get it when you get it. I'm still waiting for my female Hrothgar which I'm glad is coming. But I'm not sitting here slandering SE like OP.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

Because hairstyles aren't important right now. You think hairstyles take precedence over actual content? Endwalker is a lot bigger than ShadowBringers. Alongside the strict schedule they follow for patches/updates and with Covid-19 impacting their production you seriously think hairstyles are more important and should be top priority? You get it when you get it. I'm still waiting for my female Hrothgar which I'm glad is coming. But I'm not sitting here slandering SE like OP.

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I was wondering when you'd show up, didn't you say to wait for Fan Fest before whining? Make up your mind already.

seems like you are just asking to get this thread closed or just banned.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I was wondering when you'd show up, didn't you say to wait for Fan Fest before whining? Make up your mind already.

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In terms of them adding male Viera, which they did. If you can gladly quote what I specifically said about "Wait until Fan Fest before ""whining"" in terms of hairstyles, please do. I can't find it or seem to remember. I mainly stated male Viera.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

First off, they never needed to add Viera. They added them because YOU wanted them. They are doing what they can and will for the community because you guys wanted it. And judging by your crappy attitude, they shouldn't have.

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FFXIV is a product. They make things to make money. Viera wasn't a gift. It was an extension to their product to encourage the continued subscription and use of that product. That product extension is being racially excluded of features other similar product inclusions possess. This has been the state of being for a period of about two years now with essentially no communication to us about it, which is unacceptable for many customers that extension is relevant to. Square Enix isn't your dad. It's a corporation that exists to elicit profit from customers. This forum exists in part for the purpose of customers complaining about the product they have paid / are paying for. If you don't like that, you don't have to participate, but we use the forum for its intended purpose regardless. With all due respect, try not to throw rocks from a glass house in regard to having a "crappy attitude."