Play poll: No Open world vs Instanced world?

More public dungeons! Make instance for quests if anything.

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Originally Posted by mikefmc

whoa, your telling me you want no competition?...so because you dont want the competition...that means i have to suffer?

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There are multiple ways of having a competition. A claim race however is not that exciting, especially for those who didn't get the claim. After than it's more of just a bore while you wait for the ToD.

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Originally Posted by mikefmc

Then i dont know.. dont?

If you dont want to do it, then dont. But just because you dont want too. Doesnt mean people that want to.. should not able too.

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Then would you be opposed to the solution I gave above? Zones like Mun-tuy are kept as-is, but for people that want to, they can go to the aetherial gate and start an instanced version of it. Same monsters, same bosses, you don't see them, they don't see you. You can stay in the non-instanced version and kill the NM there, which will have the same drops and drop rates as the one in the instanced version.

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Example: if you only liked pve content and didnt like pvp content. well that doesnt mean it shouldnt be implemented for the people that do.

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I wouldn't depending on how that PVP is implemented. Do some people who show up for that PVP walk away with nothing gained, not even a chance to fight someone? Then I'm against it. Does everyone get a chance to fight and the losers walk away with lesser rewards? Then I'm for it.

Open-world PVE content forces the losers to waste time and walk away with nothing.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

There should be a mix of open and instanced content like in XI. The last thing I want Is something like Dungeon Fighter Fantasy just because people aren't sociable and can't comprehend the massive multiplayer aspect of a MMO.

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Absolutely.

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Originally Posted by CaptainHoward

I just miss sky from XI.....i think it is the perfect example of how to build open world content, I feel that once they implement an alliance party format (possibly 2 to 3 groups of 8 teaming together) it will broaden the spectrum of open world

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Sky and Sea, alike.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Okay, here's my suggestion on how to make everyone happy:

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Sounds good.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

That's all it is.

They want bragging rights because they managed to steal an opportunity away and ruin someone else's day.

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Cool story bro.

@ Wolfie and Jinko (who seem to be the minority here)

I never camped an nm for bragging rights, it was a friendly competition, in fact I normally talked to the people I'm camping with.

Also, ya instanced gear should not wield the same things as open world gear. Because, lets face it open world would be harder to get the gear than the instanced(because of spawn times and camping). If you don't wanna camp the nm don't get that gear, skip it and get a different gear from a instanced dungeon.

Now, I'm not saying that one gear should be better than the other. I'm saying that X hat peice should have 15str and the instanced hat piece should have 15acc or something of the sort. Because I an open world lover, doesn't wanna be short handed on gear, nor would the instanced lovers wanna be.

I'm just aking yoshi to keep and add open world dungeons along side instances, and have NMS with long spawn times, with good gear(possibly craft able gear with U/U gear.) So, if you don't wanna camp nms DON'T no one is making you.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Because, lets face it open world would be harder to get the gear than the instanced(because of spawn times and camping).

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Depends on the design of the instance. In the open world the challenge is getting claim. But in an instance the entire environment can be a part of the battle.

Instance is not synonymous with easy.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

@ Wolfie and Jinko (who seem to be the minority here)

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We're in the minority because we're posting in a topic created by and for people who like open world content. See my earlier post about open world vs instanced content, FFXIV's own players want instanced over open 4 to 1.

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I never camped an nm for bragging rights, it was a friendly competition, in fact I normally talked to the people I'm camping with.

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You are also in the minority on this. NMs and especially HNMs whose respawns were counted by days were extremely cutthroat in FFXI.

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Also, ya instanced gear should not wield the same things as open world gear. Because, lets face it open world would be harder to get the gear than the instanced(because of spawn times and camping). If you don't wanna camp the nm don't get that gear, skip it and get a different gear from a instanced dungeon.

Now, I'm not saying that one gear should be better than the other. I'm saying that X hat peice should have 15str and the instanced hat piece should have 15acc or something of the sort. Because I an open world lover, doesn't wanna be short handed on gear, nor would the instanced lovers wanna be.

I'm just aking yoshi to keep and add open world dungeons along side instances, and have NMS with long spawn times, with good gear(possibly craft able gear with U/U gear.) So, if you don't wanna camp nms DON'T no one is making you.

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And here it is. You're not only not content to have your open world content, you also want the gear to be exclusive. When you open world guys made it sound like you didn't really care about the gear, and you wanted the open world experience, you had a leg to stand on. Now that you've confirmed that you also care about the gear, you've confirmed what I've been saying for a while. You don't actually care about anyone's experience with this content, you care about having your dumb competition and being able to swing your epeen around and rub it in the faces of the people who couldn't get that gear -- even if you will never admit to it.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

See my earlier post about open world vs instanced content, FFXIV's own players want instanced over open 4 to 1.

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Talk out of your backside much? You blurt out made up numbers. That is a fact

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Talk out of your backside much? You my friend are a bold face liar. you blurt out made up numbers. That is a fact

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...16083b634f7678

See question #10.

Q.E.D.

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79.3% to 20.7%. That's 4 to 1, bro.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

79.3% to 20.7%. That's 4 to 1, bro.

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Point. Set. Match.

You are linking a poll in which 90% of the polsters do not have active accounts. We are not debating what people over a year ago, who were playing for free thought. We are interested in what paying customers now desire.Not to mention the only question about instanced/non instanced content referes to the targeting system in reference to raids. Not instances or non instanced material itself. A little reading comprehension can go a log way. Try it.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Talk out of your backside much? You my friend are a bold face liar. you blurt out made up numbers. That is a fact

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Actually Wolfie is taking those from the players poll question about the claiming system and how people would rather have instanced content more then open world. So its not really a lie and such... is it exact well maybe not since it was based on if the claim system was such and such way. Which I will sort of agree with the way the claiming system is all most open world will turn into is zerg-fest and with most NMs not taking very long to respawn well yeah it doesn't really matter each group can get a turn to get what they want and it will go fast will tons of people smashing the NMs into the ground.

So they would really need to change the claim system and also make it so outside parties can not attack a claimed mob or else as I stated it will just become zerg-fest...

Also I don't agree with the whole this should have better gear then that... the gear should be based on how hard it is and if the open world can just be zerged into the ground well then why put good gear in there? that just seems worng and the easy way. This is also one of the reason why the best gear is normally in instances because a set number of people can go in and the difficulty is set for that many people... the group in the instance can not call in more people to zerg the instance... they must do it with the people they have...

Anyway... I'm not really for any side and most of the time both sides come off as rather foolish in wants and wishes... I know why don't you humans take all that energy you have for conflict and work on ideas for both sides to work good and make both sides happy... can you even try to do that?

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Originally Posted by Coglin

You are linking a poll in which 90% of the polsters do not have active accounts.

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They did when the polls were made. Their opinions are representative of the entire population of people who played, play, and have an interest in FFXIV. The devs aren't designing and developing the game for the ~10k users that are paying right now.

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We are not debating what people over a year ago, who were playing for free thought. We are interested in what paying customers now desire.Not to mention the only question about instanced/non instanced content referes to the targeting system in reference to raids. Not instances or non instanced material itself. A little reading comprehension can go a log way. Try it.

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No it doesn't. You up YOUR reading comprehension, it's talking about the claiming system.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

You are linking a poll in which 90% of the polsters do not have active accounts. We are not debating what people over a year ago, who were playing for free thought. We are interested in what paying customers now desire.Not to mention the only question about instanced/non instanced content referes to the targeting system in reference to raids. Not instances or non instanced material itself. A little reading comprehension can go a log way. Try it.

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Well lets take a look at the question and break it down shall we?

10. If the current target claiming system were done away with, would you prefer for content such as dungeons and battle to be converted into instances as much as possible?
* "Instances" refer to those events and areas that can only be occupied by a single party, or certain characters, at once. This serves to prevent players from competing with one another for the same enemies, for example.

Notice it does not mention raids at all for starters... and what it is asking is if they did away with the current claiming system they had at the time if everyone would want instances or open world content more. People decided that instanced content would be more preferred probably do to the claiming system and if it was changed or not...

We can read more into it if you wish but I think it is very clear don't know?

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Ahem...



I'll just leave this here.

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Though that is probably wholeheartedly justifiable I'm not sure that was needed.... erm... please lets try to keep this from turning into a bigger fight then it is ^^;

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Originally Posted by NadienKirisame

Though that is probably wholeheartedly justifiable I'm not sure that was needed.... erm... please lets try to keep this from turning into a bigger fight then it is ^^;

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You're correct. I apologize.

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Originally Posted by NadienKirisame

Well lets take a look at the question and break it down shall we?

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It is a conditional question. This thread is not about a conditional open world or instanced situation. This thread is also about what paying players want, not what past freerolling players who no longer play wanted.

Coglin, read through these:

http://www.cracked.com/article_19468...you-think.html
http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/...ckfire-effect/

You are making up things and being a nitpick in the face of cold, hard numbers. There is no argument here, what I'm saying about instanced content being preferred over open world is a cold hard fact.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

It is a conditional question. This thread is not about a conditional open world or instanced situation. This thread is also about what paying players want, not what past freerolling players who no longer play wanted.

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Actually this thread is very much about open world or instanced the title of the thread itself infers such a thing...

Play poll: No Open world vs Instanced world?

Is the title so it could be said this thread is all about open world vs instanced... though really its more like he was asking why there was no question on the new poll about open world or instanced world. In a way the thread title can be taken in a few different ways... and of course there is the OP and the following posts by people the make the flow of what this thread is about... which has come to be open world vs instanced...

Also the question in the poll what asked to all the current players at that time... you were no paying at the time as well... did you make your opinion known at the time of that poll? It doesn't matter if half those people that took that poll are no longer there what it shows is what all the players at that time wanted.

Should they have asked that question or another question pertaining to open world vs instanced in this recent poll? yes they probably should have but they did not. Also I am sure SE want to get those players back that left during the time that poll was done... don't you think?

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

You are making up things and being a nitpick in the face of cold, hard numbers. There is no argument here, what I'm saying about instanced content being preferred over open world is a cold hard fact.

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Tell yourself whatever you have to to convince yourself its a fact, that is fine my friend. A fact would be a pole that ask the diect question in debate here and not a conditional one and would include those playing. As you ademently stated the player base. Not the potential player base. Not the past player base.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Tell yourself whatever you have to to convince yourself its a fact, that is fine my friend. A fact would be a pole that ask the diect question in debate here and not a conditional one and would include those playing. As you ademently stated the player base. Not the potential player base. Not the past player base.

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It looks like you didn't read through the material I gave you.

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Originally Posted by NadienKirisame

Is the title so it could be said this thread is all about open world vs instanced... though really its more like he was asking why there was no question on the new poll about open world or instanced world. In a way the thread title can be taken in a few different ways... and of course there is the OP and the following posts by people the make the flow of what this thread is about... which has come to be open world vs instanced...

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You need to read the OP. The content of the OP is more relavent to the tittle. Very specifically initiated the thread in reference to "not having open world content changed to instanced"

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

It looks like you didn't read through the material I gave you.

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You mean as in how it related to you and your references being specifically inaccurate to the actual topic and how you refuse to aknowledge that we are refering to curing paying player base and not the over a year past of the freeroll players?

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Originally Posted by Coglin

You mean as in how it related to you and your references being specifically inaccurate to the actual topic and how you refuse to aknowledge that we are refering to curing paying player base and not the over a year past of the freeroll players?

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I already addressed this. It's irrelevant, because the people that the game is being designed and developed for include more than just the people that are actively paying right now.

You still haven't given me any real numbers or posts from devs stating that people want open world over instanced, where as I have given you numbers. Numbers which you decided to nitpick and reject based on red herrings.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

You need to read the OP. The content of the OP is more relavent to the tittle. Very specifically initiated the thread in reference to "not having open world content changed to instanced"

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Right I stated that about how the OP was but look at what the thread evolved into... its not really what Rokien started it out as or to be... Rokien has always stated that he wants them to keep the current open world stuff as open... but he has also stated that he would want more open world content. Granted Rokien also knows that you can't really just have one or you lose some people... because a lot of people actually do like instances that they can go into with their friends and fight through.

As I said if you look at what this turned into is pretty much an open world vs instanced thread which if I'm not mistaken Rokien actually has a second thread for that as well :P

But you all can keep fighting... and being completely off topic if you wish... I'm not going to push for one way or the other :P

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Originally Posted by NadienKirisame

I said if you look at what this turned into is pretty much an open world vs instanced thread which if I'm not mistaken Rokien actually has a second thread for that as well :P

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Yes, turned by 2 posters. wolfie and jinko.

So if your going to clutter up this thread with post that are off topic and only attacking post of players just because the disagree with your friends, do you agree with my several previous post, that we simply need a standard mix of both instanced and non instanced?

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Yes, turned by 2 posters. wolfie and jinko.

So if your going to clutter up this thread with post that are off topic and only attacking post of players just because the disagree with your friends, do you agree with my several previous post, that we simply need a standard mix of both instanced and non instanced?

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Eh my friends? And actually most posts are most non attacking... I always go on the side of trying to clear up the hate you humans bring about though my efforts for the most part are wasted on some...

I have already stated before I think the game needs both open world and instanced content... I have actually stated this several times in almost every thread that has spouted up from this subject. What I do not agree on with most of you is the poking at each other and trying to claim this or that... instead I have always said that maybe if both sides tried to work it out how they could have a good flow of both open world and instanced content and keep it fair to both sides... but so far it has yet to happen... as I have also stated time and time again... you humans love to attack each other over the silliest of things...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Yes, turned by 2 posters. wolfie and jinko.

So if your going to clutter up this thread with post that are off topic and only attacking post of players just because the disagree with your friends, do you agree with my several previous post, that we simply need a standard mix of both instanced and non instanced?

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Yes, actually, I've agreed with and proposed solutions for a mix of both.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

This is actually a great solution. Not sure how feasible it is, but it would make everyone happy.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Of course. That's the case now, that was the case in FFXI, that's the case in WOW, and almost every other MMO. Rokien just likes to exaggerate and come up with scenarios where everything is 100% instanced and you just hang out in a single hub city and then never see another player.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Make a boss spawn open world. Then make the same boss spawn in an instanced fashion ala leve mobs. Then the crybabies who want open world competitiveness can stick to killing the un-instanced boss over and over while the rest of us kill the instanced one with no hassle.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Then would you be opposed to the solution I gave above? Zones like Mun-tuy are kept as-is, but for people that want to, they can go to the aetherial gate and start an instanced version of it. Same monsters, same bosses, you don't see them, they don't see you. You can stay in the non-instanced version and kill the NM there, which will have the same drops and drop rates as the one in the instanced version.

I wouldn't depending on how that PVP is implemented. Do some people who show up for that PVP walk away with nothing gained, not even a chance to fight someone? Then I'm against it. Does everyone get a chance to fight and the losers walk away with lesser rewards? Then I'm for it.

Open-world PVE content forces the losers to waste time and walk away with nothing.

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What none of you open-world-only people have ever managed to agree on or even give me an answer is if you would be satisfied with the same content, same monsters, and same gear also being available in an instance in addition to open world.

Why ask people who don't give two cents about the game?

Also, I was asking why wasn't there a poll about it.


Also, Wolfie stop calling people "stupid".
I'm saying that it's implied in your link you gave.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

What none of you open-world-only people have ever managed to agree on or even give me an answer is if you would be satisfied with the same content, same monsters, and same gear also being available in an instance in addition to open world.

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No one here is open world only. Not to mention I know for a fact that the exact question you ask was answered. You are clearly making false accusations, having not read all of the discussion. Again you are being counter productive for....well heck , i don't know why. Why you would falsy label everyone here as you have really makes it hard for anyone to see you as nothing less then a troll.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Why ask people who don't give two cents about the game?

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They do care, or they would not have taken the poll. The people who took the poll are representative of the people Yoshida is tageting with the game: people who left the game, people who might come back, people who are playing, and people who have some interest in the game.

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, Wolfie stop calling people "stupid".
I'm saying that it's implied in your link you gave.

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Then read them, understand them, and become educated so that you can realize it's not an attack on your character, but on the illogical and inconsistent ways that you debate and argue.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Not to mention I know for a fact that the exact question you ask was answered.

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Well, Rokien answered it. He wants open world content to have exclusive gear. So he's not satisfied with people also receiving an instanced version of the same thing, if they want to go that route. Already posted my thoughts on that.

What is your answer, though?

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Why ask people who don't give two cents about the game?

Also, I was asking why wasn't there a poll about it.


Also, Wolfie stop calling people "stupid".
I'm saying that it's implied in your link you gave.

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See I figured that is what your intent was... why was there no question in the poll about open world and instances. I'm pretty sure they did not have it there because they felt it was answered in the last poll... though maybe they need to go back and rethink it and ask again? Though they should have enough options for answers and not just be one or the other because as I have stated and you know Rokien... I think we need both for a really good game to show.

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Well, Rokien answered it. He wants open world content to have exclusive gear. So he's not satisfied with people also receiving an instanced version of the same thing, if they want to go that route. Already posted my thoughts on that.

What is your answer, though?

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I also said exclusive gear for instances as well if you read.....

Don't put words in my text.

I also said craftable gear soo that everyone can have some along with U/U

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Why ask people who don't give two cents about the game?

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Because Square Enix wants their money.

It's not that they don't care, it's just that they couldn't tolerate playing the game in it's current state. Which it won't be in 2.0 when SE hopes those people come back.

The current server populations won't be enough to keep this game online after they essentially made it twice.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Yeah, Shposhae was so popular as an outdoor dungeon.

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Would it have been anymore popular as a instance? Look at Toto-rak I'm sure more people accidentally wander into Shposhae than people even conjure the thought of visiting Toto-rak (Aside from farming seals).

Low level content has been almost instantly obsolete due to the rediculous level curve of...nothing. Everyone is at 50 so fast the point of sub-50 gear/content is moot.

So I don't see the point your trying to make.

Give us a rank 50 open dungeon (Like the strongholds but larger less packed every 2 steps) and more interactivity and I'm sure you would see more than a few people stumble into it.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Because Square Enix wants their money.

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This is true... as would any company that is offering a product... this product is an MMO and they would want to make it so the most people will buy and play it with a paying subscription. If something was wrong you would want to get the opinion of the most people you could on stuff even if they are going to be leaving your game soon... it is so you can make the changes and possibly pull those lost back into the fold...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

What is your answer, though?

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I have given the answer to that question a minimum of 3 times in this thread alone. Are you just "cherry picking" post to attack people on ?

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I also said exclusive gear for instances as well if you read.....

Don't put words in my text.

I also said craftable gear soo that everyone can have some along with U/U

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I didn't put any words in your text, you yourself said you want open world to have exclusive gear. Unlike instances and crafting, which give everyone a fair shot at obtaining gear, open world does not. People who don't get the claim on a mob walk away with neither the opportunity to fight the NM, nor any gear. At least with instances they can attempt and fail, and with crafting they can attempt and walk away from frustration/boredom/whatever.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

I have given the answer to that question a minimum of 3 times in this thread alone. Are you just "cherry picking" post to attack people on ?

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Here's a list of posts you made in this topic:

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Buy them from my over priced retainer after my LS takes down the mobs you appearently make very clear you feel you will be unable to make claim on or take down yourself ???

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Originally Posted by Coglin

You folks do realize that there are other MMOs out there besides GW, WoW, and FFXI right? There are other MMOs that have had slight differences in the way they did some of there raid content that may be more accurate to what some of you want.

Like it or not, we need open world HNMs, open world dungeons, and open world raids. We need them because there are just as many players that want them as there are who want instanced raids and dungeans. It would be foolish to exclude one group or the other by limiting content. We need all of the above, hands down, no questions asked. Argueing as if we should exclude one or the other is counter productive.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

You are so direly confussed by having said this, I am feeling charitable enough to mail you a dollar so you can step out of the house and buy yourself a clue.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Question 10 ask about the target claiming system and offers a very specific hypothetical limitation.

While your out buying yourself that clue, drop by and pick up "Reading Comprehension for Dummies"

Not too mention the link you posted is
Letter from the Producer, V (03/03/2011)

Last I checked this is 2012.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Talk out of your backside much? You blurt out made up numbers. That is a fact

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Originally Posted by Coglin

You are linking a poll in which 90% of the polsters do not have active accounts. We are not debating what people over a year ago, who were playing for free thought. We are interested in what paying customers now desire.Not to mention the only question about instanced/non instanced content referes to the targeting system in reference to raids. Not instances or non instanced material itself. A little reading comprehension can go a log way. Try it.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

It is a conditional question. This thread is not about a conditional open world or instanced situation. This thread is also about what paying players want, not what past freerolling players who no longer play wanted.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Tell yourself whatever you have to to convince yourself its a fact, that is fine my friend. A fact would be a pole that ask the diect question in debate here and not a conditional one and would include those playing. As you ademently stated the player base. Not the potential player base. Not the past player base.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

You need to read the OP. The content of the OP is more relavent to the tittle. Very specifically initiated the thread in reference to "not having open world content changed to instanced"

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Originally Posted by Coglin

You mean as in how it related to you and your references being specifically inaccurate to the actual topic and how you refuse to aknowledge that we are refering to curing paying player base and not the over a year past of the freeroll players?

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Yes, turned by 2 posters. wolfie and jinko.

So if your going to clutter up this thread with post that are off topic and only attacking post of players just because the disagree with your friends, do you agree with my several previous post, that we simply need a standard mix of both instanced and non instanced?

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Originally Posted by Coglin

No one here is open world only. Not to mention I know for a fact that the exact question you ask was answered. You are clearly making false accusations, having not read all of the discussion. Again you are being counter productive for....well heck , i don't know why. Why you would falsy label everyone here as you have really makes it hard for anyone to see you as nothing less then a troll.

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Can you please point to me where in these posts you are talking about your opinion on replicating open world content in an instance? I'd love to see it.

And for the record, your opening post in this topic was an ad hominem attack. A big chunk of your posts in this topic are ad hominem attacks.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

I didn't put any words in your text, you yourself said you want open world to have exclusive gear. Unlike instances and crafting, which give everyone a fair shot at obtaining gear, open world does not. People who don't get the claim on a mob walk away with neither the opportunity to fight the NM, nor any gear. At least with instances they can attempt and fail, and with crafting they can attempt and walk away from frustration/boredom/whatever.

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LOL, see you are, Because I if you would have read my post, I said the nms(open world) could have craft able gear/ u/u(ya know like the RNMs we have now, drops an item to craft, ya know). While Instances have their own exclusive gear, but are not better than others. Just different stats and what not. Soo, you are changing the way I'm saying things.