Its time to remove job-based glamour restrictions.

Casting role being grouped up really ruins the traditional aesthetic of the jobs held hostage to it. Gear is only ever created for blackmages unless it is the once an expansion gift of AF armor. Please just open up glamor to all. For those gungho on having your white mages look traditional there is nothing stopping you from continuing to glamor that way. It is a bit unfair that say a summoner has to dress in a garbage bag because giving us literally anything else ruins the RP for blackmages.

I wish I (a Ninja) could wear the Republican Signifier's Fingerless Gloves (a caster dps pvp item) with my Koga/Ninja gear. It looks really cool and almost expresses my characters individuality. But, I can't.

Please remove class restrictions.

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Originally Posted by DeepbloodEclipse

A friend actually suggested an idea where, you put an item in the glamour dresser, only then does it not have class restrictions, but if you take it out again, it's back to being what it was before entry, whole point of this was ofc not me trying to say unlock all class restrictions, we are talking about not restricting it for glamour.

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That's one of the things people expected the glamour dresser to do, but it doesn't.

There are essentially two parts to glamoured items appearing:
1. You apply the instruction "glamour as Item X" to your gear.
2. The program accepts or rejects that instruction depending on whether you can equip Item X.

The glamour dresser has been built to only affect step 1 by providing a much more efficient way to apply the instructions.

Once those instructions are applied, the program can't see a difference between prism or plate applications (as either way it would just be the item's ID number without any additional 'notes'), and the step 2 check carries out exactly the same.


Because they've implemented the glamour system in this way of "slotting into the original system without changing it", that makes me think that they are either unable or unwilling to tinker with the underlying mechanics and add new checks or exceptions - anything that would change the system from only looking at those pre-set information points (item to be displayed and classes able to equip it).

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Originally Posted by DeepbloodEclipse

I don't really understand how this would artifact armors tho, but in the first place, why the eff cant we put augmented and lvl 60/70 af gear in armoire, we don't wear the gear beyond it being our entry lvl 50/60/70 gear to begin with, it just takes space otherwise.

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The system only displays glamours if you can equip them.
Artifact gear can only be equipped by the job it belongs to.
Therefore artifact gear will not be displayed on any other class - but it would be if they unlocked glamours.

As for artifact gear and the Armoire... it's weird. :/

Short answer seems to be "because they approach it differently each time" and don't review how it handles the older sets, and some items fit the criteria while others don't.

It seems that armoire gear is unique gear from quests - the original Lv45 relic gear fits that criterion, but the second Lv50 set and the Lv60 gear can be (re)purchased from vendors so they're not eligible.

And the Lv70 gear... I really don't know what's up with those. They don't go in the armoire but CAN be repurchased from the Calamity Salvager like the original Lv45 gear.

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As for integrating "no glamour restrictions", they managed to code in a glamour dresser, they should be able to manage such a thing.

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As I said in replying to the first part of your post, they managed to code a glamour dresser that doesn't interfere with the original system. You're still applying glamour instructions to individual gear pieces, they've just invented a way to apply them more efficiently.

If they're not willing to change the existing system and how it reads the glamour instructions, then to make the dresser items unrestricted I think they would have to duplicate every item in their database, set the new duplicates to be "all classes", possibly name them differently, and have the glamour dresser refer to those instead of the actual item you put in.

Could it be done? Probably. Is it efficient for their time, file size and the work they would have to put in to associate each gear piece with its glamour 'twin'? Quite possibly not.

(And who knows, given all the other weird intricacies of the programming that they try to work around, maybe there's a "hard limit" somewhere on the amount of item IDs they can create, and duplicating everything would take up a huge chunk of an otherwise generous limit.)

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

I think it could be done as a rule-based change (as opposed to separate settings on every gear item). If the list of classes/jobs that can equip it is limited to one only, then that's also the only one that can glamour it. If there's more than one that can equip it, than any class can glamour it. That would separate out AF, and I'm pretty sure it's just AF, from other gear. [...]

An alternative, of course, is to give gear items two different "equippable by" lists, one for who can equip it directly, and one for who can equip it as glamour. That would take a bit of work to set up initially, since it would require a change to each existing piece of gear, but once set up, it wouldn't involve any increase in character data size or any of the other limitations that block them from so many things.

Either approach should be feasible.

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Again with the apparent unwillingness (for whatever reason) to tinker with the underlying system, I don't think the second idea would work - as they'd need to add new information that the gear isn't currently programmed to carry.

But the first could be feasible if they're able to change what rules the check goes through without affecting anything else.

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Originally Posted by Kio

Casting role being grouped up really ruins the traditional aesthetic of the jobs held hostage to it. Gear is only ever created for blackmages unless it is the once an expansion gift of AF armor. Please just open up glamor to all. For those gungho on having your white mages look traditional there is nothing stopping you from continuing to glamor that way. It is a bit unfair that say a summoner has to dress in a garbage bag because giving us literally anything else ruins the RP for blackmages.

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Yes it would be a bit unfair to say that... except they haven't?

I don't really understand the "caster gear is only ever created for black mages" complaint - this is not just about you; it comes up a lot.

First important question: what actually is "summoner's aesthetic" and do generic caster sets fit into it? Artifact gear, other than the orignal gren coat, tends to be odd drapey things, often with short sleeves or skirts, and this post has some quotes from the second lorebook which essentially sum it up to "mage's robes but with some skin exposed".

And as for the actual gear available to us, I think there's a wider range than people remember.

Just looking through the caster gear in Stormblood:

Lv60: 'tribal' feathered skirt and crop top
Lv61: recolour of Wind Silk Coatee set with black shirt and dyeable highlights
Lv62: robe (reused Lv60 Valerian set)
Lv63: swimwear (all classes got similar)
Lv64: robe (reused Orthodox set)
Lv65: nomad's robes (all classes got similar)
Lv66: short tunic and pants - this is the healer version; caster is just recoloured
Lv67: Doman robes
Lv68: ragged sleeveless coat (pic)
Lv69: robe/dress
Lv70...
Arhat: robe
Ala Mhigan: long coat and (IIRC) rather revealing strappy pants
Skallic: robe
Indigo Ramie: open robe, knee-length skirt and sandals
Genta/Genji: samurai robes
Farlander: tunic with short cape
Lost Allagan: long coat
Rabanastre: tunic and shoulder cape
Bonewicca: sleeveless shirt and fancy cape
True Linen: robes (reused Void Ark set)
Carborundum/Diamond: robes
Ryumaku: Hingan robes
Royal Volunteer: military jacket
Ridorana: robe... apron... thingy.
Rakshasa: Hingan robes
Omicron/Omega: tight-fitting coat
Scaevan: long coat/robe
4.5: tunic


So basically, I think there's actually quite a range of options, and not just robes, even though there is definitely a tendency towards them. Personally I appreciate having lots of choices of robes and long coats - ultimately it is what those classes are "supposed" to wear, and I (and I expect a lot of people) prefer to find glamours that fit within that concept.

It's also affected by the overall style of costume design in the expansions - Heavensward tended towards "high fantasy", and then Stormblood's Japanese influence has meant there are quite a few sets where everyone gets long robes because it's based on historical costume for the (inspired) setting.

Red mage does end up at a disadvantage because "generic mage design" doesn't fit their style of costume, but there are definitely a number of things in there that fit their intended style. Plus if you go back to the earlier gear there are things like the Plague Bringer, Sky Pirate, Valkyrie's coat (if you don't mind it not being red), Holy Rainbow shirt, Arachne bolero and the Maelstrom mage's gear. And the bliauds from ARR of course, though we already got one as starter gear - perhaps ironically the pre-RDM levels have the highest percentage of RDM-style mage gear, even if it is the one design being repeated over and over.

Also, glamour items. Combining an all-classes shirt with other class-specific pieces can come up with some interesting designs.

(For red mage in particular, male characters are at an advantage for glamour pieces that fit the style. The Riviera shirt, High House justaucorps and Boulevardier shirt all work well.)

As a male AuRa Healer i can either look like a crossdresser or glamour non healer gear.
There are 1 or 2 Healer robes that don´t look awful on males, but thats it.

Has Yoshi ever given an actual statement on why he and the team are so gungho about not removing the restrictions?

I mean, I've heard him say that it'd be too hard to tell roles apart but that was way back in the early stages of the game. This is a topic that repeatedly keeps coming up and he repeatedly keeps refusing to even really acknowledge the question even going as far asking us which glamours we want to see made for "all roles" resulting in "newer" armors being lazy recolors of HW and ARR gear...which is exactly what a large majority of SB armor is. Even most of the dungeon gear isn't original.

Wouldn't it be easier just to remove the restriction and use those resources creating recolored variants to create some original armor? That way we get armor that we haven't already seen AND it opens up greater customization for our characters.

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Has Yoshi ever given an actual statement on why he and the team are so gungho about not removing the restrictions?

I mean, I've heard him say that it'd be too hard to tell roles apart but that was way back in the early stages of the game. This is a topic that repeatedly keeps coming up and he repeatedly keeps refusing to even really acknowledge the question even going as far asking us which glamours we want to see made for "all roles" resulting in "newer" armors being lazy recolors of HW and ARR gear...which is exactly what a large majority of SB armor is. Even most of the dungeon gear isn't original.

Wouldn't it be easier just to remove the restriction and use those resources creating recolored variants to create some original armor? That way we get armor that we haven't already seen AND it opens up greater customization for our characters.

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Developer vision and distinct job identity - A lot of art and promotional material goes with showing the jobs in their AF gear, for example. Because that's the easiest to make them stand out, rather than have them mish mash everything.

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Originally Posted by Laphael

As a male AuRa Healer i can either look like a crossdresser or glamour non healer gear.
There are 1 or 2 Healer robes that don´t look awful on males, but thats it.

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Personal taste is going to vary, but considering that male Auri "traditional dress" - as the lorebook describes the starter gear - involves a skirt and midriff-baring top... well, canonically they're not exactly adhering to (modern Western) masculine dress in the first place.

I realise it's different if you're dressing the character in clothes you want to wear, particularly if it's your primary character, but I do have a male Raen alt and I feel like he suits all the weird glamours that I wouldn't put on my other characters. But then again I'm approaching it as 'character design' and thinking "what would he wear?" (A: things that resemble the design of the starter gear) and not "what would I wear?"...


But I do find their unusual body proportions make a lot of gear fit them oddly because of how it's scaled rather than re-modeled for different characters. Wide collars end up a lot bigger and bulkier than they do on other races. Tight-fitting collars are better and lower necklines avoid the issue.


Though I don't really understand why it's an issue to have to glamour non-healer gear if it makes your character look good? You can still build sets that look like healer sets without necessarily using healer gear. Or combine a generic body piece with healer gear in the other slots for something that's still uniquely a healer costume.

If I can show off some examples I'd made with my Elezen alt... RDM with all caster/RDM gear except shirt; AST with only relic sleeves and all-class gear; WHM entirely with Lv1 glamour gear except the crown. In all cases I think it works as looking distinctly like that class, and (other than the WHM) relies on gear that is specific to that class, without being limited to only using that class-specific gear.

Bonus: my Au Ra as SMN using the Lv50 relic pants/skirt and Pagos shirt, which is maybe not so instantly summoner-ish but it's a bit like the Lv70 relic drapey-shirt-thing (aetherial tattoos and all) though without the stab-you-in-the-face pauldron.

Bonus bonus: stealth healer (for sneaking into imperial castrums), deliberately going against a normal "healer look" while still using healer-specific gear where possible. As well as the Ironworks scope, it uses the Makai healer gloves and boots. May upgrade to healer-specific pants if I can find some that look right.


I do also wonder if there's an issue of people wanting to stick to - or simply looking from the perspective of - "modern fashion" rather than the fantasy setting gear? Because that affects the sense of what is 'male clothing' a lot. eg. I recently got the Rabanastran mage's tunic, and when I tried it on my female character, I think she looks like she's wearing male clothing. That's my instant reaction looking at it. But I'm sure other people must say "it's femininine! it's like a dress!"

I feel odd dressing my characters in modern-looking costumes. (well, other than that stealth one for a joke, but still looks odd outside of running MSQ roulette.)


As much as the glamour restrictions are annoying, I think I do enjoy the challenge of working around them. Up until there's that one thing I really really want to equip, anyway....

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Originally Posted by Laphael

As a male AuRa Healer i can either look like a crossdresser or glamour non healer gear.
There are 1 or 2 Healer robes that don´t look awful on males, but thats it.

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I use the Gamblers Coatee when I play AST(get it? cause I'm gambling with your life XD), and Hakuko Dogi as scholar, which looks pretty cool, even tho I despise the far eastern aesthetic, I don't mind this one. I, just like you, feel like I'm in drag if I wear just about anything else.

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Developer vision and distinct job identity - A lot of art and promotional material goes with showing the jobs in their AF gear, for example. Because that's the easiest to make them stand out, rather than have them mish mash everything.

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I can understand the reasoning behind AF gear. Most of it actually does have some kind of lore behind it relating to the job itself so I can see why it wouldn't be accessible to all jobs. Most people agree on that...What a lot of us are asking for is everything outside of that. So restricting glamour just because of AF gear is BS.

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Has Yoshi ever given an actual statement on why he and the team are so gungho about not removing the restrictions?

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Well, whenever it comes up, he either talks about job identity — which only applies to the AF gear that most of us want to remain restricted when everything else is opened up, or else he asks which specific pieces people are interested in getting. Neither fits the (main) request, which is to change the system so that everything except AF can be glamoured by any job regardless of who can equip it. It's not certain specific pieces we want opened up, but certain specific pieces that should be the only ones not opened up.

It's hard to tell sometimes if he doesn't understand what it is that people are asking for, or if he's just deliberately pretending not to understand so that he can avoid saying they don't want to do it. (If the later, I regard it as horribly rude and unprofessional of him. But the guy would have to be dense as a rock or completely out of touch for it to still be the former.) If they can't do it, or don't want to do it, or just have no current plans to do it, then say so rather than changing the subject and talking about a related change that's not the actual request.

(He's done the same thing on other widely requested features, too, just changing the subject when asked about them and pretending that that was what was asked.)

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From the interviews I read, they always ask him about job gears (e.g. PLD wearing WHM armor), which he gave a definite no about and we're OK with that. I don't recall anyone asking him about class/role armor.

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From the interviews I read, they always ask him about job gears (e.g. PLD wearing WHM armor), which he gave a definite no about and we're OK with that. I don't recall anyone asking him about class/role armor.

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Maybe that's why he keeps flat out saying no. But man, do we really have to be THAT specific though? I mean come on...

Maybe we do? Yoshi is a smart guy but there is a language and cultural barrier that needs to be overcome, sometimes you need to be specific to avoid misunderstandings.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Personal taste is going to vary, but considering that male Auri "traditional dress" - as the lorebook describes the starter gear - involves a skirt and midriff-baring top... well, canonically they're not exactly adhering to (modern Western) masculine dress in the first place.

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As much as the glamour restrictions are annoying, I think I do enjoy the challenge of working around them. Up until there's that one thing I really really want to equip, anyway....

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Yes, of course there are those options, my healer wears a cowboy-like outfit at the moment and thats possible.
But thats the reason i dont understand why the restrictions are still there, if i can equip many "non-healer-like" glamors anyways.
Tbh i just want to wear the pyros tank/dragoon set on all of my jobs in different colours XD.

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Totally agree. The limitations nowadays are so inconsistent... why have them anyway?

Perhaps the only limitation we should have are job specific glamours, since they are iconic job gear.

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Originally Posted by Laphael

Yes, of course there are those options, my healer wears a cowboy-like outfit at the moment and thats possible.
But thats the reason i dont understand why the restrictions are still there, if i can equip many "non-healer-like" glamors anyways.

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That's why I suspect it's more of a deep technical issue than the official answer of "job identity!" - obviously there's no good design reason why casters might be able to equip boots with gold decorations and healers can equip the exact same boots with silver decorations, but heavens forbid you ever try to wear the gold ones as a healer!

So, as I wrote before, I think it's likely that to keep the relic gear "safe", they may have to keep all glamours locked down to prevent it - and the gear does need to have designated classes that can equip it. The arbitrary restrictions on what else can be equipped are a side effect, not a deliberate rule - and possibly even exaggerated as they try to work around it and include some armoured pieces into the mage designs and non-armour for tanks, so people can access them if they want.


I also think there may be a cultural issue. From something I remember reading a while ago, I think it might be a big deal for them (in Japanese culture) to actually admit they won't be able to do this thing that everyone is requesting, so they give a polite non-answer and make it sound like they're not doing it rather than they can't.

Does anyone know if the Japanese fandom keeps requesting things like this after they've been told it's not happening?

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Eh, I'd like for the AF sets to at least stay job restricted, but give us set-specific glamours and that shouldn't be an issue. It just would be weird for a dark knight to be running around in the white mage set, yanno?

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I agree, its not a final fantasy game without job identity.

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That's why I suspect it's more of a deep technical issue than the official answer of "job identity!" - obviously there's no good design reason why casters might be able to equip boots with gold decorations and healers can equip the exact same boots with silver decorations, but heavens forbid you ever try to wear the gold ones as a healer!

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I struggle to think of how it could be at all a technical issue. If I had coded the current system as it functions today, the glamour validation check would involve, among other things, if item.EquipableBy.contains(currentJob). All that would be needed to allow all non-AF gear to be universally glamourable would be to change that one check to if (item.EquipableBy.size >= 2 or item.EquipableBy.contains(currentJob)).

In layperson's terms, this checks if the item is AF by checking how many jobs/classes can equip it. If it's exactly one, then the gear is AF, and it needs to check if current job matches. If it's equipable by more than one, it's not AF and glamourable by anybody. Of course, this only works so long as we have classes, since the defining feature for DRG AF and NIN AF currently is that they cannot be equipped by LNC and ROG respectively. Were we to eliminate classes, an AF flag would have to be added to all AF gear because you wouldn't be able to tell DRG general gear from DRG AF, or NIN general gear from NIN AF, just by looking at the list of equipable jobs. So in that case the check would be if (not item.IsAF or item.EquipableBy.Contains(currentJob)).

But it should really be as simple as this.

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It's hard to tell sometimes if he doesn't understand what it is that people are asking for, or if he's just deliberately pretending not to understand so that he can avoid saying they don't want to do it.

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The last time I saw this question come up with him, in his Aetherflow interview, he gave a hard, point-blank no to the job-specific gear, but was open to changing the role-specific gear. If he's fine saying "no" to the AF gear, I don't see why he would have any reason to dodge the same question about role gear if it was a "no" as well. The wording made it sound like it's an ongoing process, rather than changing it all at once, which is why he keeps asking people to voice their opinions on what they want prioritized.

Helluuuuuuuuu

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Given how they've setup other systems in this game, I have a strong feeling that we're not actually "glamouring" an item per say, but ACTUALLY equipping it in a 'ghost' slot the game is using, which would make it impossible for any other job to glamour anything they can't actually equip. and the reason they use "job identity" as the PR response since it would take more time than they want to allocate to change.

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Given how they've setup other systems in this game, I have a strong feeling that we're not actually "glamouring" an item per say, but ACTUALLY equipping it in a 'ghost' slot the game is using, which would make it impossible for any other job to glamour anything they can't actually equip. and the reason they use "job identity" as the PR response since it would take more time than they want to allocate to change.

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Glamours are linked to the item rather than you or your current gearset, though. Unless it's reading the "glamour instruction" on the item and placing it in the phantom slot every time you change gear, I don't think that sounds like the way it would work.

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Glamours are linked to the item rather than you or your current gearset, though. Unless it's reading the "glamour instruction" on the item and placing it in the phantom slot every time you change gear, I don't think that sounds like the way it would work.

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It's simply my own hypothesis from the short time I spent coding, due to the fact they've intrinsically tied the glamour system to the equip conditions of the actual item. I doubt it's as simple as a simple byte value on the actual gear, or it'd be pretty easy to code around it, as all you'd need is to have a function to grab the appearance of the other item and override the graphic/model display function calls with the glamour piece instead, the equip conditions not even needing to be referenced.

Hence why I believe there's extraneous conditions, or the game is using some sort of 'ghost' slot for Glamour leading to the "You can only glamour what you can equip" issue, with "Job identity!" being their PR response. Either that or they're pretty adamant about their aesthetic choice and made it limiting on purpose. Who knows :shrug:

For some stuff yes weapons no over all i am mixed on this

Honestly as a healer I'm sick and tired of all of our gear always being saturated with white. I'm legitimately thinking of taking a break from healing for a while just so I can wear something decent glamour wise.

Most of the good / dyeable glam is locked behind ex content. I'm looking forward to the ranged dps contest winner but I swear if the healer version is overly saturated with white or the dye scheme dyes the darker bits and keeps the white like skala I'm going to be exceptionally disappointed.

(condensed this from a previous post I made since I missed this thread

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Honestly as a healer I'm sick and tired of all of our gear always being saturated with white. I'm legitimately thinking of taking a break from healing for a while just so I can wear something decent glamour wise.

Most of the good / dyeable glam is locked behind ex content. I'm looking forward to the ranged dps contest winner but I swear if the healer version is overly saturated with white or the dye scheme dyes the darker bits and keeps the white like skala I'm going to be exceptionally disappointed.

(condensed this from a previous post I made since I missed this thread

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Not all good healer glamour is locked behind ex content and it just takes a bit of creativity to find something non-white that sticks with you. That's not to say that your grievances don't matter, they do, but I also realize from their perspective why they do it...they base most healer gear around the iconic White Mage, so....there's the problem. White Mages have worn white robes since, well....since 8-bit times.

The BoneWicca healer gear I found was pretty nice, as well as the Makai White Mage dress to use.

Well, since this is a fairly relevant thread for it, during one of Yoshi-P's server visit Q&A bombs, this question came up:

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Q. Will you ever remove the class limitations on glamour gear? My accessory slots are full.
A. We still don't have plans on removing class restrictions, but it might be time we should at least remove the restrictions on accessories.

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Note that I think these may be fairly rough translations, and this one seemed oddly focused on accessories otherwise, but yeah, no plans for lifting restrictions.


And since it was also brought up in the posts above, about the healer gear being saturated in white:

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Q. Is healer gear always going to be a white fluttering coat?
A. The style and line of healer gear won't change that dramatically. It's pretty difficult to differentiate.

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So no, they'll likely not change the status quo.



Rest of the recent Q&As of the servers if anyone's curious:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...r_translation/

Yes, please. I need to look pretty!

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Honestly as a healer I'm sick and tired of all of our gear always being saturated with white. I'm legitimately thinking of taking a break from healing for a while just so I can wear something decent glamour wise.

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There are options and dye exists. See my sig. I play an armored healer.

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There are options and dye exists. See my sig. I play an armored healer.

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Well, it's difficult when we can only dye parts of gear...
And it's usually the neutral colors of the pieces, like white that don't dye.

I do not feel that job restricted armor need be removed. In saying that, i think more armor options need to be introduced via IN GAME REWARDS for both genders and all classes. Some gear i would enjoy having as in game rewards for Stormblood completion.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9HTltCHmhbQ/maxresdefault.jpg

The fact it has been scaled for female models in game is heartening.
https://i.imgur.com/chNyHi4.png

https://i.imgur.com/ta7Es9r.png

Lastly to keep with the Stormblood theme i feel this should also be a reward for both genders and all jobs, again as an IN GAME REWARD.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/...RUqsMhTtug.png

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20170930235532

I strongly believe that it can be faithfully remodeled for males.

An example from an another game Tera Online Male Castanic Caster sets.

https://s.blogcdn.com/www.massively....2441789419.jpg

http://tera-online.cc/uploads/galler...anic_m_l21.jpg

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Well, it's difficult when we can only dye parts of gear...
And it's usually the neutral colors of the pieces, like white that don't dye.

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Looking at healer gear on the marketboard, it seems that most pieces which start out white (which is NOT everything) will usually dye the white part to the selected colour and the other coloured parts to a different shade. Sometimes that shade is still white-ish. But it's not everything.

And in defence of the Skallic gear, which Transient_Shadow called out specifically for keeping the white parts undyed... it does that for other classes too, not just the healer gear. I'm not sure about everything, but the aiming/striking sets definitely have the same design with a permanently white coat and dyeable highlights.

Recurring theme colours are not just a thing for healers. Casters are often black-and-magenta. Dragoons get purple - even when it doesn't match the rest of the set colour scheme, like the 4.5 dungeon gear.

There are definite stylistic themes for all the classes, and a majority of gear follows those styles - but at the same time each class gets opportunities for gear that breaks out of it and looks different. They're just not as common as the pieces that follow their job-identity concepts.

And, as I said in an earlier post, if you don't like any of the class-specific gear there is also the Lv1 glamour gear that you can use instead (or in combination with class gear), and it extends your options a lot.



To be clear: I would also love to see the existing restrictions relaxed. I wouldn't even argue against people saying our options for other styles are limited. But even in the current system, healers don't have "nothing but robes" or "nothing but undyeable white", and it only takes a brief look at the marketboard to see that there are other options.

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Well, since this is a fairly relevant thread for it, during one of Yoshi-P's server visit Q&A bombs, this question came up:
Q. Will you ever remove the class limitations on glamour gear? My accessory slots are full.
A. We still don't have plans on removing class restrictions, but it might be time we should at least remove the restrictions on accessories.

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Ugh...It's so frustrating seeing stuff like this. Plus who asked for accessory restrictions to be lifted? 90% of the time, they're covered anyway.

What's even more frustrating is that fact that people still aren't asking the right questions when it comes to this topic. It's always, "will job specific glamour restrictions ever be removed?" which Yoshi straight-up says no and ends it at that.

I would ask why has the dev team been so adamant on NOT removing job specific glamor on non-AF gear when a large majority of SB armor sets have been recolored variants of gear from other jobs? Wouldn't it be easier to just remove the restriction instead of using that man power to create a whole new set of already existing armor?

Or...You've mentioned the fact of wanting to retain job originality by restricting glamour to specific jobs but when tanks are running around in bikinis, Dragoons are able to wear robes...Why hasn't the non-AF glamour restriction been removed when it's been something that's been requested for YEARS!

I feel like we really need to dive a bit deeper when it comes to this question instead of just asking the usual since Yoshi likes to avoid it. I would honestly like a reason as to why he keeps ignoring it.

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The fact it has been scaled for female models in game is heartening.
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I didn't know the griffon gear was equippable. Where can one obtain that? That would be awesome for my DRK.

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Originally Posted by Renato

I would ask why has the dev team been so adamant on NOT removing job specific glamor on non-AF gear when a large majority of SB armor sets have been recolored variants of gear from other jobs? Wouldn't it be easier to just remove the restriction instead of using that man power to create a whole new set of already existing armor?

I didn't know the griffon gear was equippable. Where can one obtain that? That would be awesome for my DRK.

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The simple answer to the first one is that it lets them recycle models for speedier development time; even if they unlocked every glamour restriction there's an extremely high chance they'd still be recycling old gear models to save development times and costs when they felt like it or were running out of time for a patch. Porting existing armors takes a fraction of the time and effort designing entirely new set fo every role would.

While not a 1:1 comparison, the game company I used to work at would take the same rock & tree models and recycle them ad nauseaum, using weather/lighting/very light 3d/texture edits to disguise the fact they copy-pasted their terrain assets like mad.

As far as the griffon gear, it's not possible in-game. Whoever took the screenshot is using dark magic to equip it.

While we're at it, mapping hairstyles to specific glamour plates is really needed as well. It's annoying when you switch sets and your hair starts clipping through your armor...

I want so BADLY put Aura males class gear on my male M'qoute. So I want class and race restrictions gone lol

Does it have to do with clipping? Like they design a set of armor around the physical movements of the class, I know it sounds stupid but it's a level of detail I would include when designing armor and if it wasnt there I imagine people wouldn't outright notice but subconsciously they would know it's not as polished.

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While we're at it, mapping hairstyles to specific glamour plates is really needed as well. It's annoying when you switch sets and your hair starts clipping through your armor...

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I suspect that swapping hairstyles might be quite different at an underlying level to swapping glamours - note that when you change it you're essentially "taking yourself out of the game world" to go into editing mode, and there are a few unskippable cutscenes that probably disguise save/load processes.

It might not be able to switch as seamlessly as gear - it may need to save character data to some other location and do odd things to your character in the meanwhile.

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Does it have to do with clipping? Like they design a set of armor around the physical movements of the class, I know it sounds stupid but it's a level of detail I would include when designing armor and if it wasnt there I imagine people wouldn't outright notice but subconsciously they would know it's not as polished.

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I don't think this would be the case - at very least you can go into other classes' basic stances in the "fitting room" menu by equipping/drawing a weapon.

It's more likely to be a job identity thing. (I still think it's quite possible that it's specifically to lock down job-specific artifact glamours within what their system can do, even if they'd be happy to let other gear be cross-glamoured.)

i would agree with this but not fully job theme outfits like summoner horn needs to be locked in that job outside that id agree