Thanks for ruining Mateus, SE.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

This is correct. Omega, too, was similarly chosen to become the European version of Balmung.

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Wow, that's a good thing that people are coordinated like this! If they know hundreds of players have and are moving, the idea of doing it yourself is less stressful.

I dont see the problem ive been on mateus since launch an i have had a house since personal housing became available. if you did not have a house before the transfers well thats your fault for being bad at making gil, so while you pout ill be sitting in my house all nice and comfortable. infact come visit me Oasis ward 1 plot 29 its RP friendly.

I'd say the only real problem is that it's one less transfer incentive. Sure, for players on Mateus, if you were going to get a house, plenty were available regardless. But now, being a preferred world, that was one of the things that could lure players in, being able to buy a house (even a few mediums, when expansion launched) after coming from their overfull servers where they never had that opportunity. Excessively hoarding housing now kinda takes away from that.

If they've had these for months or more, I couldn't really cry foul, but, unless they've gotten a considerable amount of positive feedback, I'd think it'd be far more considerate now to relinquish some of them for the benefit of our new neighbors. At least it would be, if it weren't for the inevitable scalpers, which kinda ruin it just as much.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

unless they've gotten a considerable amount of positive feedback

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We have, actually. Almost everyone who actually comes to see what we've built with their own two eyes has been really impressed and supportive. I've made so many friends over this. The past two days has been really heartwarming at best, with a few entertaining spats interjecting the kindness.

(Also want to point out the empty mansion with nothing but cake and vendors that's being tossed around is one of the not-us homes.)

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Originally Posted by Harmonea

We have, actually. Almost everyone who actually comes to see what we've built with their own two eyes has been really impressed and supportive. I've made so many friends over this. The past two days has been really heartwarming at best, with a few entertaining spats interjecting the kindness.

(Also want to point out the empty mansion with nothing but cake and vendors that's being tossed around is one of the not-us homes.)

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Don't mind any of the hate that comes your way, Seraph. You keep those houses! Finders keepers and all that. It wasn't a problem for others until now. An investigation of the wards before the mass exodus to Mateus probably would have saved many people their tears. I could never own more than one house because I can barely decorate my medium with my housemate, but that's me. Anyway, you just ride out the storm.

._. Even on balmung with its inflated house prices, in 6 months I managed to make the 80mil required for a house here. me. Alone

Thanks SE for ruining my server. You turned a ghost town into a more lively place. I could have bought a house in these last 2 years but now because of you SE I wasn't able to buy it this last month despite server transfers being priorly announced.

THANKS SE!

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Thanks SE for ruining my server. You turned a ghost town into a more lively place. I could have bought a house in these last 2 years but now because of you SE I wasn't able to buy it this last month despite server transfers being priorly announced.

THANKS SE!

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Now now, let's not take ownership where it's not due, yes? This isn't your server. It belongs to everyone that is in it now. Though if we want to be technical about it, it belongs to SE. Not you or anyone else.

I am not, however, going to echo the fact that you had 2 years to collect the gil needed to get a house and was unsuccessful in doing so. That is no one's fault but your own.

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Originally Posted by Centershock

Now now, let's not take ownership where it's not due, yes? This isn't your server. It belongs to everyone that is in it now. Though if we want to be technical about it, it belongs to SE. Not you or anyone else.

I am not, however, going to echo the fact that you had 2 years to collect the gil needed to get a house and was unsuccessful in doing so. That is no one's fault but your own.

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I belive the post you quoted may possibly have been sarcasm. ;P

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

I belive the post you quoted may possibly have been sarcasm. ;P

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His point still stands, however.

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Originally Posted by Harmonea

We have, actually. Almost everyone who actually comes to see what we've built with their own two eyes has been really impressed and supportive. I've made so many friends over this. The past two days has been really heartwarming at best, with a few entertaining spats interjecting the kindness.

(Also want to point out the empty mansion with nothing but cake and vendors that's being tossed around is one of the not-us homes.)

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I'm gonna be completely honest with you. I'm pretty sure that post you made caused your situation to get worse.

I imagine a lot more people are motivated to get SE to implement that one house per account that we've been asking for YEARS for. I know I am.

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

I'm gonna be completely honest with you. I'm pretty sure that post you made caused your situation to get worse.

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Considering they apparently run multiple FCs they also probably got a ton of new recruits who wanted a home or apartment but now cannot get those, they can just get a room in one of the FC houses.

While i disagree with the OP's complaint, FF having limits on housing that make it so people who are paying for a sub cant have a house is a despicable practice.

Perhaps the big mistake was allowing a single player to buy a plot instead of just an FC exclusive feature (with a system in place preventing any "fake" FC from buying one). I mean, the system is clearly built around FC, your own room in an FC house is more than enough for any player (private gardens would be nice too).

For solo players? Apartments (again, a private garden would be nice).

Well, here's my two cents. More than one house per server per fc or individual is excessive with this housing shortage. I think that med and large houses should be fc only. and small houses for individuals or fcs. Or even restrict houses to fc only again and individuals can get apartments. Yes this would cause a lot of crying but it's a lot more fair to everyone.
I already have a small house for my fc and plan on upgrading to a large in the new area and I'm considering a small for myself. However, even though I could afford more houses, I see no point in keeping them from others who have no house. That's just selfish.

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

Well, here's my two cents. More than one house per server per fc or individual is excessive with this housing shortage. I think that med and large houses should be fc only. and small houses for individuals or fcs. Or even restrict houses to fc only again and individuals can get apartments. Yes this would cause a lot of crying but it's a lot more fair to everyone.
I already have a small house for my fc and plan on upgrading to a large in the new area and I'm considering a small for myself. However, even though I could afford more houses, I see no point in keeping them from others who have no house. That's just selfish.

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Might help a little, but people that really want the medium/larges can just make their own FC and buy it anyway. It's just a bit more annoying since you have to level the FC first and need some people to sign to start it.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

Might help a little, but people that really want the medium/larges can just make their own FC and buy it anyway. It's just a bit more annoying since you have to level the FC first and people to start it.

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True but it would stop some of the house flipping that goes on. I don't know about other servers but on Leviathan people sell small houses for 30mil. Houses which cost them 3 mil. And yes they can make an fc but that takes three people not just one.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

Might help a little, but people that really want the medium/larges can just make their own FC and buy it anyway. It's just a bit more annoying since you have to level the FC first and need some people to sign to start it.

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If you put another barrier, like having x number of members in order to buy a small plot, x number for medium and x number for large (all with an active subscription at the moment of buying the house) that alone will put an end to house speculation (or two person owning a whole yard).

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

Well, here's my two cents. More than one house per server per fc or individual is excessive with this housing shortage. I think that med and large houses should be fc only. and small houses for individuals or fcs. Or even restrict houses to fc only again and individuals can get apartments. Yes this would cause a lot of crying but it's a lot more fair to everyone.
I already have a small house for my fc and plan on upgrading to a large in the new area and I'm considering a small for myself. However, even though I could afford more houses, I see no point in keeping them from others who have no house. That's just selfish.

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How is it more fair to folks like me who save slowly but surely until they can buy the plot they want? I didn't have to fight, my Mist plot was actually fairly devauled when I bought it. I am active, I pay my sub, and it is the only piece of property my account owns.

Rather than stopping honest individuals from owning whatever size home they like, there should either be more instanced housing for everyone or maybe extra wards just for FC housing.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

If you put another barrier, like having x number of members in order to buy a small plot, x number for medium and x number for large (all with an active subscription at the moment of buying the house) that alone will put an end to house speculation (or two person owning a whole yard).

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So let's say we roll with that idea. Do we just evict everyone that currently has a personal house and any fc that don't meet size requirements? If it's only at the time of buying, you could just pad the numbers for when you buy it though?

If they have to keep that number the entire time you're gonna have people that used to have 20-50 or so people that go on break for a month and lose their large? Man that seems like more salt waiting to happen.

I am in the 1 house per world per account for personal and FC camp.

I don't own one and don't really care, but if it would end the salt around here...

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Originally Posted by Vaer

So let's say we roll with that idea. Do we just evict everyone that currently has a personal house and any fc that don't meet size requirements? If it's only at the time of buying, you could just pad the numbers for when you buy it though?

If they have to keep that number the entire time you're gonna have people that used to have 20-50 or so people that go on break for a month and lose their large? Man that seems like more salt waiting to happen.

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Technically SE could do whatever it wants in regards to the houses. It's what we all agreed to when we signed the EULA. If they choose to evict everyone when they implement an instanced housing feature, you would get some salt, but it would die down eventually.

I would totally be okay with being evicted and compensated if an instanced housing feature was implemented.

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

Technically SE could do whatever it wants in regards to the houses. It's what we all agreed to when we signed the EULA. If they choose to evict everyone when they implement an instanced housing feature, you would get some salt, but it would die down eventually.

I would totally be okay with being evicted and compensated if an instanced housing feature was implemented.

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If they implement a new system that is instanced that is an entirely different story since they wouldn't be as limited anymore unless they can find some way to mess that up, too.

If they keep the system the same and start blowing up houses even more frequently they aren't really solving the problem, they're just moving the houses around and there are still going to be people that will be mad and not have one. The system is bad, and has too many abusable loopholes.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

So let's say we roll with that idea. Do we just evict everyone that currently has a personal house and any fc that don't meet size requirements? If it's only at the time of buying, you could just pad the numbers for when you buy it though?

If they have to keep that number the entire time you're gonna have people that used to have 20-50 or so people that go on break for a month and lose their large? Man that seems like more salt waiting to happen.

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Is just an idea, of course is not going to be perfect :P. Another one, to help with house speculation, if after relinquish a plot instead of becoming available right away (but everyone can see is empty) will use a random timer, like 1 hour or up to 7 days.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Is just an idea, of course is not going to be perfect :P. Another one, to help with house speculation, if after relinquish a plot instead of becoming available right away (but everyone can see is empty) will use a random timer, like 1 hour or up to 7 days.

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If you want to go down that path, a queue system would be fairest. Players place a deposit on a house until one with their specifications becomes available.

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Originally Posted by Radiosuitcase

Left Exodus over a year ago and eventually settled on Mateus, enjoying how small and tight knit the community was there, planned to get an FC house eventually for our FC in a month or so. Then you opened the floodgates form Balmung.

Within a week, there are no no free houses on Mateus after ages of the wards being nearly empty. I recognize names, they're all owned by transfers from Balmung who came over with their hundreds of millions. My FC can't have a house now, none of my friends who were saving for one can, because you were too lazy to bump up their own housing capacity but decided to give them ours instead.

Thanks for nothing.

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You should blame the person who has been in your server for a long time and took at least 24 plots in one ward instead of people who moved in, friend.

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Originally Posted by Aldotsk

You should blame the person who has been in your server for a long time and took at least 24 plots in one ward instead of people who moved in, friend.

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While I don't agree with one person owning that many it is fairly clear Mateus natives knew about them and didn't care. What they didn't expect were all the sudden free transfers from Balmung quickly buying up housing (including some with the intent to flip). Personally cannot imagine waiting so long to buy a house, it has always been scarce on Coeurl excepting smalls in the Goblet.

Hahaha, I think it's awesome what they did. They should be able to keep it. Housing on that server was available for 3 years and now everyone wants one? Now ppl want to take what they worked for? Socialism?

OP, would you rather they have done server merges like they had to in 1.0 when the pops dropped really low after the year of f2p ended and p2p kicked in? Because that is also an option for low pop worlds, get absorbed by others. SE is doing this offer to alleviate server pop stresses so their paying customers, us, can actually play the game we're paying a sub to play. Would you rather ppl quit out of frustration leading to a possibly drastic reduction in active players? I suggest you guys either try to get a house in the new housing district coming out or hope to snag one in the already existing ones if anyone moves out of those.

I'm not sure if I should be impressed or disgusted that two people own almost an entire ward.

It's just wild.

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Originally Posted by Xieveral

I'm not sure if I should be impressed or disgusted that two people own almost an entire ward.

It's just wild.

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Impressed they own the ward; overtaken with fits of giggles at the server being their soul-mate.

Brb. Gonna eternal bond with the Behemoth server.

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Originally Posted by Xieveral

I'm not sure if I should be impressed or disgusted that two people own almost an entire ward.

It's just wild.

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I honestly have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, they did do all this work to make this happen: leveled every alt to 50, leveled every FC to rank 6, and collected the gil to make it all happen. On the other hand, it's absolutely selfish for two players to own 28 plots in a single ward.

It's like... I'm a little pissed off they took so many plots but it's actually kind of aweome that they were diligent and determined enough to grind to get them all? Does that even make sense?

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Originally Posted by Centershock

I honestly have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, they did do all this work to make this happen: leveled every alt to 50, leveled every FC to rank 6, and collected the gil to make it all happen. On the other hand, it's absolutely selfish for two players to own 28 plots in a single ward.

It's like... I'm a little pissed off they took so many plots but it's actually kind of aweome that they were diligent and determined enough to grind to get them all? Does that even make sense?

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To say they worked for the gil is a bit charitable considering even the minimum price that would bill up is in the millions.

And they say they did it selling Palace drops.

Nothing suspicious about this at all.

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Originally Posted by Ahzarhuuk

To say they worked for the gil is a bit charitable considering even the minimum price that would bill up is in the millions.

And they say they did it selling Palace drops.

Nothing suspicious about this at all.

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I feel the need to correct this because this is an incredibly misleading statement that I believe was not elaborated on. It was only the first house on our alts that was done by Palace drops. I don't think you have a concept of how empty Mateus was and how little there was on the market despite there being demand for it. On Mateus at the time, before 50-100 was released and it crashed the market, Tier V materia was selling for 300-500k each, so you really only needed a few lucky drops.

I've seen a lot of transfers from Balmung and Gilgamesh come to Mateus and have sticker shock even now that the markets have deflated slightly. Our Ironworks pieces were still 1-2mil a month ago, for example. That 100 million gil you came to Mateus with? On this server right now it's probably only worth the equivalent of 30 due to the high costs of items. Four months ago it would be about 10. Inflation.

Edit: Just as an example, Nightmare Pegasus Whistles were 30 million until very recently (they're 20 million now); Fiend Saps were 7-10 million each because we have so few people running the content.

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Originally Posted by Centershock

I honestly have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, they did do all this work to make this happen: leveled every alt to 50, leveled every FC to rank 6, and collected the gil to make it all happen. On the other hand, it's absolutely selfish for two players to own 28 plots in a single ward.

It's like... I'm a little pissed off they took so many plots but it's actually kind of aweome that they were diligent and determined enough to grind to get them all? Does that even make sense?

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It clearly wasnt selfish at the time - no one wanted those plots, obviously, if the two had the time to level up yet another character/FC, earn the money and buy the land - they even said themself that they saw more people moving out than in during the time. No one but them was intrested! And now people are coming forward and calling them selfish when they didnt care to buy those house back when the land was just open to purchase!

Now people could bother to move to a smaller server instead of overcrowding Balmung and now people on Mateus realise that houses are a ressource that isnt endless, even on their server aswell (something they should have seen coming when they announced that there would be free-transfer-plans) - and so it is now that people are crying "dont be selfish" and complain about those two who put in the effort to get all those houses when no one else wanted them.
They saw empty land and decided they want to build something when no one else wanted to - and now, suddenly, people want to and they should leave? I'm not sure who is selfish here... at the very least, its both sides.

Honestly...like I get the fact the people worked for it, but there comes a point where if you are at a paid gym and you take 30 basketballs from the locker and others love basketballs too and would like to play but there are no basketballs left yet you refuse to share your basketballs even though you cannot even play with 30 at once...crosses the line into selfish at that point since you have way more than can be used by one or even two people.

All those houses don't get used really...they sit vacant as decoration trophies since two people can't use all those houses all at once.

Simple fact is no one needs that many housing units (anything above 3 for a single player is getting to be kind of meh). No one wanted them before yeah true, but now there are more people and they could at least show some courtesy by letting some of theirs auto demo (they'll get most of the gil back this way at least so not as much work lost)...instead they post a rant basically saying "how dare you want housing, all that ward is ours, too bad".

Makes me sad that people cannot share and actually get mad that people would even dare ask them to even though they have way more than they can use or need.

To me it isn't about 'they shouldn't give up what they worked for' it is more of 'don't be selfish when you have so much and others nothing...be kind enough to realize you don't need all those houses for two people and let some go so some more players can have fun as well'.

Obviously the housing system has problems/flaws...so that doesn't help, but since right now this is how it works have a heart and don't hoard a whole ward to two people when others really want homes too.

I too aspire one day to own a whole Ward so I can dedicate it to my fanfiction.

In mild addendum, if you wanted to decorate something like than than buy a Large House and purchase rooms. There you go. Buying a whole Ward up of the Small/Medium etc houses is just really selfish and actually pretty rude. Like the basketball example used above it's more or less a case of someone deciding to act on their own and for themselves rather than consider the fact that others would be moving and could've wanted to obtain something for themselves.

It's also not feasible for this money to be made wholly naturally. There is now way given population and such that the economy had -that- much gil flowing through it.

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Originally Posted by iSkelliot

I too aspire one day to own a whole Ward so I can dedicate it to my fanfiction.

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This, but unironically.

While I respect the work that went in to obtaining and setting up all those houses, and while I'm currently satisfied with my housing situation, and while I understand and relate to the feelings of making a good friend through fandom, I still don't think it's right to own 28 houses. Clearly Seraph and Cyril are super into their Ascian lore and their friendship, and I get that this makes it hard to consider giving up things they built together, but it seems excessive. It doesn't seem neighborly, but it was pretty clear in Seraph's post that she has no interest in being neighborly--she doesn't want neighbors. Even the ones she mentions in her post seem to get described disparagingly.

I love housing, too. I love decorating and I've gone on a Tour of Homes with friends on a few servers (including with a friend yesterday to go see the infamous Goblet Ward 12; even if some were less impressive than others on my tour yesterday, I'll admit there's an item placement idea or two I squirreled away for later experimentation). Even on Balmung when I thought it was out of reach, I was always curious about what others were doing. I'm excited for my FC to get a house in the new district and my friends are all excited to see what I do with it. Yesterday during my tour, while I provided commentary to my friends, they asked why I didn't blog about the houses I visited (by invitation and with permission only; I've seen too many "roleplay critique" blogs out there being mean-spirited because that's how they get their kicks, not to mention social currency).

But I would never.
Ever.
Sit there and tell someone that the way they decorated their house was bad, and that they're better off not having it because I could do better than them.

I didn't report the owners of Ward 12--mostly because I don't really think there's any "there" there; we will see what comes of it--but I definitely don't support them.

Anyway, me and my 20 friends are going to get back to playing the game. On Mateus. Because it's our home now.