Forcing players to pay to keep housing is unfair.

To play the devil's advocate here, I'm interested in peoples' opinions on this while considering that active duty military play these games as well. If I cared about a house (I don't) and bought one, should I really lose it just because I get deployed for several months to a year? One could argue the whole "not using it" scenario, sure. But if my subscription says active (which it does when I'm deployed) because I have the income to do so, why shouldn't I get to keep the items I worked for, the house included?

Now, I'll say the housing situation in this game is absolutely horrid, and its implementation is the reason for my lack of interest in it, but I'm just curious what reason(s) is/are valid for simply having an active subscription to be sufficient to "keep what you kill".

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Well if this person is in active military or any job that they are away for long periods of time. They do not need a gardening plot, chocobo stable(rarely gonna be dyeing the bird). If it's their own personal FC then they wont be using the airships. They also wont be able to reset the timer for reclamation. So please tell me why they need a house and not an apartment, as all the features of a house/personal FC they will hardly be at the house to use.

First off the military do great things for the country they represent, what happens if they do die or are seriously injured that they cant play? Is SE supposed to just keep their house there as a personal shrine for other players? I'm sorry I don't mean to come off insensitive saying this. Thank god this is all SE does pre 14 if you was away for more than 3 months your whole account was at risk of being deleted.

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The subscription provides access to the servers, and the data they contain (the game). By abiding the rules and playing the game properly, one obtains a personal house or personal FC house to take part in the content that opens up which is all that you mentioned. The "not using it currently" argument doesn't carry through when they return and continue using it where they left off. Also, provided said service member has any family, in the event of their death the subscription would likely be terminated, thus allows for the demolition of housing or otherwise deletion of the account in its entirety as some companies already do.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

We have a mansion in our ward that has been virtually empty for a year and a half it has 5 items in it a garden and a stable. They log on to pay the sub as we see the player appear every few weeks. I am glad they are forced to log on.

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You quoted me, but I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here?

I never once said that people should be able to keep housing based off of just having an active subscription, and not have to log in/access the house to keep it.

Clarification on what you mean would be much appreciated, because I'm honestly confused as to why you quoted me, and then commented.

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To play the devil's advocate here, I'm interested in peoples' opinions on this while considering that active duty military play these games as well. If I cared about a house (I don't) and bought one, should I really lose it just because I get deployed for several months to a year? One could argue the whole "not using it" scenario, sure. But if my subscription says active (which it does when I'm deployed) because I have the income to do so, why shouldn't I get to keep the items I worked for, the house included?

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At this point, yes. You should know by now what you're getting into. Do I think someone deployed deserves to have their house removed? No. Unfortunately this is how this game is and these are the rules of housing they have set. If apartments don't do it for you and you need housing that is kept despite being gone long periods of time, this game - as it is now - is not for you. Only SE can change that by investing in a functional system, not simply inflating a problematic one.

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To play the devil's advocate here, I'm interested in peoples' opinions on this while considering that active duty military play these games as well. If I cared about a house (I don't) and bought one, should I really lose it just because I get deployed for several months to a year? One could argue the whole "not using it" scenario, sure. But if my subscription says active (which it does when I'm deployed) because I have the income to do so, why shouldn't I get to keep the items I worked for, the house included?

Now, I'll say the housing situation in this game is absolutely horrid, and its implementation is the reason for my lack of interest in it, but I'm just curious what reason(s) is/are valid for simply having an active subscription to be sufficient to "keep what you kill".

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Well if this person is in active military or any job that they are away for long periods of time. They do not need a gardening plot, chocobo stable(rarely gonna be dyeing the bird). If it's their own personal FC then they wont be using the airships. They also wont be able to reset the timer for reclamation. So please tell me why they need a house and not an apartment, as all the features of a house/personal FC they will hardly be at the house to use.

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If they ever make an exception, that should be it. Deployed players should keep everything.

When Everquest 2 was not F2P, I deployed to Egypt and was gone for a couple of months. When I came back, I only had to pay the weekly rent cost (cost less then gear repairs) to open it for the next week. All my stuff was where I left it.

As I said earlier in this thread. Deployed players help us all keep playing the game. Its not too much to ask for them to be able to keep certain features when they are called to duty (one that could cause them permanent injury or end their lives for our safety). That's the honorable thing to do.

That would allow everyone to have access to the features they've paid for.

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First off the military do great things for the country they represent, but what happens if they do die or are seriously injured that they cant play? Is SE supposed to just keep their house there as a personal shrine for other players? Thank god this is all SE does pre 14 if you was away for more than 3 months your whole account was at risk of being deleted. I'm sorry if this sounds insensitive.

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To play the devil's advocate here, I'm interested in peoples' opinions on this while considering that active duty military play these games as well. If I cared about a house (I don't) and bought one, should I really lose it just because I get deployed for several months to a year? One could argue the whole "not using it" scenario, sure. But if my subscription says active (which it does when I'm deployed) because I have the income to do so, why shouldn't I get to keep the items I worked for, the house included?

Now, I'll say the housing situation in this game is absolutely horrid, and its implementation is the reason for my lack of interest in it, but I'm just curious what reason(s) is/are valid for simply having an active subscription to be sufficient to "keep what you kill".

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If they ever make an exception, that should be it. Deployed players should keep everything.

When Everquest 2 was not F2P, I deployed to Egypt and was gone for a couple of months. When I came back, I only had to pay the weekly rent cost (cost less then gear repairs) to open it for the next week. All my stuff was where I left it.

As I said earlier in this thread. Deployed players help us all keep playing the game. Its not too much to ask for them to be able to keep certain features when they are called to duty (one that could cause them permanent injury or end their lives for our safety). That's the honorable thing to do.

The best and fair thing to do for everyone would be to open more districts as current plots fill up. Districts are instances. It doesn't hurt anything to open more up. Nor does it cost anything (the data storage info is VERY small due to instantiation of objects, to put it shortly, our computers bear the brunt of that storing the actual models and textures locally). This way they could extend the period before destruction/closure or even eliminate it entirely.

That would allow everyone to have access to the features they've paid for.

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Districts are instances. It doesn't hurt anything to open more up. Nor does it cost anything (the data storage info is VERY small due to instantiation of objects, to put it shortly, our computers bear the brunt of that storing the actual models and textures locally). This way they could extend the period before destruction/closure or even eliminate it entirely.

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The wards are ZONES, not instances. They're constantly up.

I have to agree with the sentiment that the current time is a valid constraint. As Nyerieri stated the auto demolition doesn't actually happen until 45 days of inactivity, for such a constrained market we need limits like that. It would be infuriating to see houses sitting unused for several months.

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Originally Posted by Klamor

To play the devil's advocate here, I'm interested in peoples' opinions on this while considering that active duty military play these games as well. If I cared about a house (I don't) and bought one, should I really lose it just because I get deployed for several months to a year? One could argue the whole "not using it" scenario, sure. But if my subscription says active (which it does when I'm deployed) because I have the income to do so, why shouldn't I get to keep the items I worked for, the house included?

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The subscription does not inherently guarantee you access to housing though, the only justification would have to be some kind of additional charge to keep housing or other content like that, and you would end up with the "not using it" argument again.

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The wards are ZONES, not instances. They're constantly up.

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Read up on what instance means in programming. I'm not using the term in a MMO sense. Even though they are closely related.

Anytime you copy an Object (Zone is an object), you're making an instance of it. If you see two mobs with the same name, model, and texture, they are instances of one another. Its a trick to call on a single file and use it more than once without it taking double the space in memory.

If they double the districts from 12 to 24, there is NO impact on memory due to instantiation. Only the storage in the database (simple numbers measured in bytes) that show location of items placed, orientation, and type as well as any characters in them.

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The subscription provides access to the servers, and the data they contain (the game). By abiding the rules and playing the game properly, one obtains a personal house or personal FC house to take part in the content that opens up which is all that you mentioned. The "not using it currently" argument doesn't carry through when they return and continue using it where they left off. Also, provided said service member has any family, in the event of their death the subscription would likely be terminated, thus allows for the demolition of housing or otherwise deletion of the account in its entirety as some companies already do.

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As far as I know SE don't delete your account after any period of time. I have known people that have returned from 3+years after leaving in 1.0. I also left the game for a year and a half and my account was still there. Also if the account isn't a recurring payment then it would be just left sat there family wouldn't bother to deal with it. Most family members would also just cancel the recurring payment and not delete your account especially if they knew you loved the game.

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I have to agree with the sentiment that the current time is a valid constraint. As Nyerieri stated the auto demolition doesn't actually happen until 45 days of inactivity, for such a constrained market we need limits like that. It would be infuriating to see houses sitting unused for several months.

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Thank you for such nice words! Someone who actually reads too! :D. Thank you, seriously mean it. I don't think (the majority) on this thread realize its 45 days because I keep seeing this 1 month word thrown around about auto demo.

To the guy who asked about the Military: No, I don't feel SE should dedicate anything to that. I think it would be too much hassle for them to even get started with. They would most likely want to verify active military and everything. Also.. what happens if something happens to you? Whether it be injury or anything else, are they supposed to put a shrine with your name in the front yard and just close the house off forever? This system works for the way the housing system currently is. Again though, I do believe STRONGLY that 45 days is way to lax. 25 days of inactivity for FC leader to pass, 30 days for auto demo for both FC and PH would be more fair. (Edit here: This would also be throwing myself into the group who would have to follow this new rule, so don't say I'm only saying this because I do not have a house, I have a FC house, just wanted to say that before someone used it as a counter argument against me. So no, I am not salty / angry / whatever about someone having a house.)

Don't mean to offend anyone in the miltiary; just think that it would be too much hassle that SE wouldn't take on. I think everyone hear realizes other countries besides the US play this game.. they would want the same type of benefit. Not saying its a bad thing; just way to much headache for SE

Edit: Read the last little bit. Housing on here is.. like a living breathing creature. No, not everyone is meant to have one despite popular belief. It's more of a luxury. Also, no one is a special snowflake on any server, and you do not deserve special treatment (again, despite popular belief). They never guaranteed you that you would be able to purchase a house with the subscription. Also.. please remember, if you are one of those "I'm going to be a douche and log on every 44 days cause I'm in love with pixels", just let your house go. You have bigger issues to worry about if you are in love with the pixels. I can tell you, easily, at least 50 houses on Hyperion would open up if people just let the server take them back and collect their gil. Trust me, you'll get over it.

No with todays economy with the housing system if you can't make it for 45 days and don't use your house for 45 days there are other people who can use the house, stop being selfish.

With my question, I didn't not intend nor imply anything about special treatment to the military members. It was simply a view point of a legitimate player with reasons beyond their control (short of changing careers, which isn't an option) that prevent them from playing the game (not cancelling subscription, just inability to play) for some period of time, periodically. It was an argument from the vantage point of the housing reclamation system shouldn't exist at all, and if there were any reasons that would or could be validated as acceptable for the removal of such a system. And, moreover, it's an argument that the housing system needs a complete demolition and restructuring in its entirety; something I think a vast majority of the players would agree on, those with a house as well as those without.

And to reiterate my statement before; I care nothing about the housing that exists currently in this game.

You forget one thing, your statement can be defeated with one thought. You can entrust a family member with your login info and literally show them how to login and what to do while you are gone. Problem solved, no?

Also; you were asking for special treatment for Military members. You asked for it to be placed on an indefinite hold until you return or the sub is cancelled. Lastly, if you don't care about the housing system in the game, go visit another thread. This thread already had way to many "devil advocates". Especially now that I defeated your defense for 98% of the people it could be applied to (I know, there are people with no one at all). Maybe they have a close friend online.

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You forget one thing, your statement can be defeated with one thought. You can entrust a family member with your login info and literally show them how to login and what to do while you are gone. Problem solved, no?

Also; you were asking for special treatment for Military members. You asked for it to be placed on an indefinite hold until you return or the sub is cancelled. Lastly, if you don't care about the housing system in the game, go visit another thread. This thread already had way to many "devil advocates". Especially now that I defeated your defense for 98% of the people it could be applied to (I know, there are people with no one at all). Maybe they have a close friend online.

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3.1 Sharing Account Information. You may not share your account or login information (such as your Square Enix ID and password) with anyone except your legal guardian, your minor child, or Square Enix. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your account and login information, even from your friends and family. If you violate this provision, you may unexpectedly lose access to your account to a third party without recourse against Square Enix. Square Enix will not be obliged to credit your Square Enix Account with Crysta or other points or awards, which may have been used by a third party as a result of the violation of this clause.

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Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi

So due to me going on holiday this month money is tight and I decided I would take a break from FF for a short time plus there's little for me left to do in game. I am not aloud to do this though without losing my house that I have invested millions of Gil into.

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With the way housing is implemented in this game, you are practically owning a piece of the server and a persistent part of the performance. So you can think of the payment as upkeep to help ensure the server is operational. In this sense, I think its quite fair to need a sub to retain your house, SE is quite literally keeping its position + contents maintained and rendered at all times for all to see.

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[/B]. If you violate this provision, you may unexpectedly lose access to your account to a third party without recourse against Square Enix. Square Enix will not be obliged to credit your Square Enix Account with Crysta or other points or awards, which may have been used by a third party as a result of the violation of this clause.

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If you read the rest of that term, it's pretty much saying 'If you lose your account to anyone because you gave away your information, Square Enix cannot be held accountable'. They're not saying 'If you give your information we'll ban your ass'. Y'know, cherry picking and all that...it's really dumb when the answer is /right there/.

3.1 clause basically says they are not responsible for loss of your account if you give your password to people, it is not bannable, at the same time you lose the account to a stranger then you are screwed.

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If you read the rest of that term, it's pretty much saying 'If you lose your account to anyone because you gave away your information, Square Enix cannot be held accountable'. They're not saying 'If you give your information we'll ban your ass'. Y'know, cherry picking and all that...it's really dumb when the answer is /right there/.

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Not really cherry picking. It's still listed under the Prohibited Activities, regardless of what the actual outcome of said activity is. And based on the paragraph above it, they're basically saying "we'll ban your ass". I didn't know people would actually be so chafed for just asking a simple question. I even got told to go to a different thread. Really? That's hilarious.

It sounds like the ones without houses are so upset about not having one, that they don't care what the reason is for a person being away from the game. They want what you have, and there's nothing that will appease them to let you keep it. I find that hilarious.

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You have to manually enter the house to turn the demolition off. As far as I know when you logout in your house the instance closes and that's why you end up outside when you log back in.

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The interior is instances, the exterior is integrated into the actual housing zone and it maintained continually live - which is one of the reasons for the limitation on housing, and also why you need to activel use your house once every 44 days. Maintaining your house exterior is actually part of the running costs of the game. It's not ideal, but it does create persisten neighborhoods.

I actually don't really care for housing whatsoever lol I just saw incorrect usage of information and came to correct you, you guys can go back to debating whether or not it's unfair. To add to that, they /can't/ ban you because they /can't/ prove if you gave your account to anyone else, so no, it isn't implied you can be banned, it's very clearly stated 'We are not held accountable for your mishandling of information'.

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this month money is tight

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i am sorry about that!

but the ppl who work for SE are also have to pay they Bills still.
in the world of adults there is no space for voluntary, even you are on holiday they still have to keep the servers alive.
they are not shutdown the servers only because you are on holiday. :rolleyes: are they!?

regards hobbit

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

You dont' get to keep your real life apartment if you don't pay rent.

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Renting and buying are two different thing.

We don't rent houses ingame. We buy them. So you should compare it to buying a house in RL and not to rent them.

As someone who had to purposely "lose their house" in order to take a break, I can relate: I bought mine during ARR where the reclaim was "never going to happen", so happy to have got it, made lots of stuff in it, only a few months ago to give it to a friend (for free of course) so I could take a break from the game. It's utterly unfair because not only I spent millions on my house, but I also have to keep a sub running in risk of losing it. Don't beat around the bush guys: the sub is basically a rent because while the reclaim is every 45 days, you basically have to get a sub at least once every 2 months and frankly it's just easier to get a monthly fee.

My suggestion? Get an apartment: they don't demolish, they cost much less and while smaller, at least you got a place to come back when you take breaks. I'm sad for losing my piece in the world but at least I got a corner for when I ever come back to play the game.

PS: Oh and how about also allowing you to post in the forums after 14 days of inactivity? I can still go to WoW and SWTOR forums after being unsubbed for long...just sayin'!

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Originally Posted by Nyerieri

Housing on here is.. like a living breathing creature. No, not everyone is meant to have one despite popular belief. It's more of a luxury. Also, no one is a special snowflake on any server, and you do not deserve special treatment (again, despite popular belief).

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I agree with this point based on how the current system works but I as said earlier this shouldn't even have been an issue in the first place. This is something that could easily be fixed if SE ever does decide to take a long hard look at the system they've put in place, because it is an unfair system as it currently stands and its no ones fault but SE for doing it this way.

Also throwing around the whole "special snowflake" just seems a bit disingenuous/incessantly petty and painting everyone the same way. Its in the same vein as people on this forum who constantly accuse everyone else of being toxic.

I hate to throw this in because people will just go "Huur duur go play that mmo then." but if other mmo's, like ESO can ensure housing for everyone then SE can more than do it as well. As others have also stated FF XI ensured a home for everyone, yeah it was only a single room but if they could do it way back then, they could certainly do it now.

Though whether they ever will remains to be seen.

I suppose all we can do now is wait for SB and the Shirogane wards and also see if they add on another 4 wards or something, that would alleviate the problem for most servers. Though the likes of Balmung and such are probably never going to have happy ending until its made in such a way that everyone can own property because even apartments have their limits(?) and thats been reached on some servers.

I find it funny that Yoshida himself said that its totally fine to take breaks from the game and yet somehow us housing owners are not allowed to take true breaks for more than 45 days. At the same time he once said that housing timers are a thing of the past and that they wont include them in this game..yet here we have them and instead of blaming SE and hoping that they will change the system (like making one zone completely instanced..) we attack each other..Its kinda sad since they went back on their own words because they are somehow not able to create enough housing for everyone..and yet here we are defending them.

Also about real life examples: Here in Germany if someone bought a house and paid completely for it he/she will own it forever. Even if it just stands there without anyone living there. And about the apartments, as long as someone pays for it they can keep their apartment in real life (especially if they bought it too) even if they are only there for some weeks each year.

Ingame we dont rent our house we buy it, so theoretically if we compare this with real life we should be able to keep them even if we are not using them that much. (Heck even with the timer I barely see any free houses on Moogle. So in a way this is not much different than before the timer..where I somehow was still able to get my own little house). If we compare it with renting an apartment, paying our sub should we way enough to keep it too.

About the part that if you are sick, you should care more about your health than an virtual house. Yes this might be true in some way but still if you have a sickness where you might not be able to leave the house much and maybe even not seeing other people then a social game like this can really help those sick people. They might have put much work into the house, may have some very important memories from it (house parties and such things) and then they need to get to the hospital..this might be hard, this might be painful depending on the sickness and on top of that when they finally come back home they will have lost their house..for some its just a virtual item, for others that have it worse it might mean the world to them.

In the end there are more than one solution to this problem:
- Instanced housing. Leave the old zones as wards for those people that like it that way and maybe have a timer of one year of inactivity. At the same time any new zone should be fully instanced (give people the chance to move their house from the old to the new one). Since they are instanced people should not be able to lose it. This way you should be able to please both sides. I am completely shocked how SE still hangs onto their faulty and limited housing system. The new district could have been their chance to improve their system. I am sorry but I lost a lot of respect for the team after the reveal of the new district..

- Keep the timer, increase it to at least 90 days and instead of having the people log in and go into their house they only need to pay their sub. With that even if you are sick or away you could just pay in advance or even have someone else pay it for you. I mean the most important thing for SE is the money. Its not really that optimal for me since you still need to give them money even if you dont play the game but its still way better than having to pay money and on top of that have to go into the house itself..

- A variation of the last point could be a new sub. Like if you know that you cant play the game for like three months thanks to low payment or other reasons but you plan to play again and you dont want to lose your house, you could just pay a small fee instead of a sub. This would not give you the days for the veteran rewards and you cant log into the game at all but this fee would keep your house. It could be like 5$ per month which would be way less than a sub. With that SE still gets money, you will keep the house in a time that you just cant play or dont want to play.

I dislike my own last two points simply because this would mean that they will keep the faulty system, while still having that time counter which should have never come if Yoshida spoke the truth in the past and kept his word..yet its at least still better than the situation right now.

I know that there will be enough people that will go around and say: But I want a house and if they dont play they should not be able to keep it..yet here I would just say: "Complain about the lack of houses on the forums and maybe if enough people are complaining SE will change the system. But dont go around and punish other players that had no say in this housing system."

I am just going to be truthful: If I ever lose my house thanks to a situation that is out of my hand then this would also be the last day in FF14 for me. Housing might not be the most important aspect of the game for me but if SE punishes me with that because they somehow cant provide every player a house in 2017..well why should I then continue to pay more money? I just hope that this day wont come..and maybe just maybe one day they will admit that they made a bad housing system and rework it..until then I will voice my displeasure about it as much as I can.

Y'all in here white knighting SE's decision to tie housing to active subs would be singing a different tune if the shoe were on the other foot. You all know it.

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Y'all in here white knighting SE's decision to tie housing to active subs would be singing a different tune if the shoe were on the other foot. You all know it.

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Tying it to an active sub rather than walking inside would be very silly anyway, because then we'd have even more plots never opening so we can hope SE never does this.

Though I'd maybe simmer down in just flat out calling em white knights... so many online terms just becoming utterly meaningless through overuse :v

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

Tying it to an active sub rather than walking inside would be very silly anyway, because then we'd have even more plots never opening so we can hope SE never does this.

Though I'd maybe simmer down in just flat out calling em white knights... so many online terms just becoming utterly meaningless through overuse :v

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Well the only way to walk in your house is to have an active sub, that's what I was getting at.

Speaking of housing, do we actually know yet if the Shirogane housing ward is in at launch or if its being released sometime after it?

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Speaking of housing, do we actually know yet if the Shirogane housing ward is in at launch or if its being released sometime after it?

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It will come with a later patch. That was said on EU fanfest.

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No one is saying keeping a house is more important than getting medical treatment or worrying about deployment

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Did we even read the same post by the OP?

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Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi

Like I said I fully understand why this system is in place but there are many reasons why players may not be able to play for a month. I could be hospital dying.

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The fact that there is a subset of people who want to take housing away from others is something SE needs to deal with, yes. Because they're the only ones able to do something against it. But the fact of the matter is, OP wants the timer removed so he can take a 45+ day break from the game and not worry about his house, except he can take a 44 day break, come back for 20min, go into his house, log back out and resume his break.

You don't need to remove restrictions on housing to get around an issue...

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It will come with a later patch. That was said on EU fanfest.

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Ah ty, I honestly couldn't remember. That is good to know.

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It will come with a later patch. That was said on EU fanfest.

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Let's hope it's not halfway through the expansion or right at the end. Because I'm fairly certain a lot of people will want the expansion for the sole purpose of getting those japanese houses stuff.

I mean didn't they initially say how HW would bring an additional retainer? Yeah I remember that.

I would greatly love the idea of being able to decorate my inn room instead as that is something that stays in the game forever kinda like FFXI.

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Well I'll agree to disagree with you. I believe the (majority) of people on this thread are acting like they are entitled to a house. There are a few individuals if you read their posts that realize they are not.

You also must of not played 11 much? 11 also had an island that you got from the last expansion that you could do dailies on etc. You owned that, but.. was no decorating.

My big point in the end is, be careful what you ask for. They could make the current system worse. ^_^

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It sounds like the ones without houses are so upset about not having one, that they don't care what the reason is for a person being away from the game. They want what you have, and there's nothing that will appease them to let you keep it. I find that hilarious.

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Gonna just repeat what I've said before, and I'm not trying to sound cold or callous by saying this.

I fully respect what members of the military do for their country. I am able to sleep peacefully because they defend our country. I am also sympathetic to those who are struggling with real-life crises, such as a personal loss (been there), financial struggles (been there as well), serious illness, or a natural disaster that has taken away their ability to play. But none of these are reasons for SE to give these people special treatment with regards to their housing plots.

This comes from nothing resembling bitterness about being unable to own a plot due to how limited they are. This comes from frustration about people circumventing the demolition by just logging in every 44 days, touching something inside their house, and logging out only to return in another 44 days (therefore not even USING their house), and from frustration seeing people demanding special treatment due to things outside their control.

Yes, it sucks not being able to control the fact that you (general "you" here) can't afford to play right now, or that you will be unable to play due to real-life responsibilities (that should take precedent over a virtual house any day), but SE is under no obligation to give you special treatment just because you pay a subscription. Because so do hundreds of thousands to millions of other people. I'm tired of seeing people think they deserve to get some sort of special treatment over others. Especially for something that, at the end of the day, is extremely trivial in the grand scheme of things.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

Read up on what instance means in programming. I'm not using the term in a MMO sense. Even though they are closely related.

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You cannot disregard the MMO term because it explains how instances are used in this game, ward instances are never closed, they are live using RAM and CPU 24/7 as long as the server is running, we were explained as much before, which is why they can't freely add more wards, but house instances are closed once you exit or logout and the position of furniture is saved, recreated when you re-enter the house.

This is also why we're getting an increased item limit inside houses but not outdoors, because outdoors is always taking resources.

I cant believe this is still going its simple think of it like this , if you have a house in real life and you dont pay the rent what happens next?

On the one hand, I do like to take some breaks without risking my little plot.

On the other hand, this system is the only reason I even got a house to begin with.