Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW!

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

and? relics werent persistent nor anima weapons....my point is that u can create a grind / fun /rewarding content w/o havint to use fates , crafting or low lvl content :/

maybe the classes keep the relic skill in the next expansion since it changes how the specs play (see Fire mage)

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Too big of an difference between how this game does it and what wow is trying to do. WoW is making the artifact system to where you HAVE to do it order to be any good at your class. Demonology is a prime example. The artifact skill you get has your normal stuff build around your artifact skill which can do at least 1 mil damage if done right (some people were doing 2M+ in the beta). In this game, your relic honestly does nothing to your play style. The artifact system would be great but since they admitted it would be throw away content, its only great if you like doing stuff that hold no weight, like getting a legendary which people are using as a defense. It would be great if it was all a lie, like how they admitted that they would never add flight in WoD and then eventually added it. If they made it persistent, I kind of would leave this game for good for wow, just saying since this game doesn't have something like that yet, even though wow is pretty much taking the idea from XI...go figure...

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

Am I the only one who liked how they did FFXII (not the story but gameplay and side activities)?

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FF12 was heavily influenced by ff11, particularly the combat and mark systems... I loved FF12, it was one of my favorites. I think FF14 is good game, but they really need some work on endgame content.. If they can't figure out how to do it, get someone who knows how. Because diadem and deep dungeon just aren't good endgame content imo. And no1 even bothers raiding anymore now that theres a story mode that just lets you win. Heavensward kinda destroyed the tiny bit of endgame that FF14 had in the first place. Instead of, you know, EXPANDING it.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

So cloning WoW is ok? As heard many others say XIV ARR is just a wow clone.

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No, cloning WoW is not OK, FFXIV should be it's own thing - IMHO.

However, I haven't played WoW, so I cannot tell you if that's the case. If other people think so, that is their opinion. You say "As heard many others say..." I prefer personal experience and/or evidence to back up such a statement instead of the potentially skewed opinions of others.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

FF12 was heavily influenced by ff11, particularly the combat and mark systems... I loved FF12, it was one of my favorites. I think FF14 is good game, but they really need some work on endgame content.. If they can't figure out how to do it, get someone who knows how. Because diadem and deep dungeon just aren't good endgame content imo. And no1 even bothers raiding anymore now that theres a story mode that just lets you win. Heavensward kinda destroyed the tiny bit of endgame that FF14 had in the first place. Instead of, you know, EXPANDING it.

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Can't stress this enough. in ARR it was a goal to beat coil. In HW its not really even an after thought.

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Originally Posted by Rhaja

Can't stress this enough. in ARR it was a goal to beat coil. In HW its not really even an after thought.

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That's realy a different and somewhat universal issue thought, isn't it? I mean, the reason coil is an afterthought for those at current end game is power creep. It's not an afterthouight if you are at lvl 50 though. So either your gear an abilities should not progress otherwise power-creep makes old raids too easy, or the raids should scale with player ilvl. Given the delicate balance already tuned into the content, rubber-banding major parameters like HP, defence and attack strength would be a disaster. So, how do you keep the Coils current when the current ilvl is 3 times what it took to beal BCOB Turns 1-5?

Want Final Fantasy XIV be a Final Fantasy 100% Final Fantasy :)

No thanks. Rather it be less like FFXI before more, that game was tedium incarnate.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

How about no?

I'd very much like Eorzea and FFXIV to be a thing unto themselves instead of cloning and old game.

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LOL But it already is attempting to clone wow in certain ways: the quests, smn is a clone of the warlock job (its a mix of the Demonology and Affliction Warlock), the combat is similar only 14 flat out lights up the boxes to tell you the next thing to use, or how bout the fact that this games own producer said to look to wow for inspiration and had the dev team play wow..hmm WHAT ELSE?? the black mage is a copy of WoW's Balance Druid from Cataclysm, the lock outs are the same format, the currencies are set up exactly like WoW's format, the fact they have Hard Mode dungeons while they change unlike WoW's Heroic/Mythic Dungeons they serve the same purpose and that game old as the hills.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

LOL But it already is attempting to clone wow in certain ways and that is old as the hills.

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We fight in dungeons and against Dragons, but does anyone blast the game for cloning D&D?

There are only so many generic ways to do something, even if you put a crapton of custom frills on things, the heart of the matter is that there are only so many ways to roll a die.

Cloning implies something different to using systems that are conceptually similar - when there are only a few good ways to do something, you'll always end up being similar to something that has gone before you. But this topic is explicitly asking for the game to be made more like another, so it seems to be talking about more than using similar concepts.

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Originally Posted by JimmyDean

Really? Lol. Usually successor's to games are like their predecessor. No?

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If we go by that assumption, the FFXI should be more like FFX shouldn't it? It is a predecessor after all.
Also EQ2 was vastly different from EQ1. Only thing that remained mostly was the lore (albeit 500 years later).

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Never a bad thing to be open-minded :) People are so unwilling to admit that XIV could be improved if they borrowed an idea or two from XI. Of course XI wasn't perfect, no one is claiming that, but this is why you don't try to copy the bad bits.

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Borrowing a few things from another game is not bad, OP's post however makes it seem like he want XI part 2.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

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Eh? I literally listed exact copies they took from WoW. I never mentioned anything about dragons...

You said you don't want them to clone an old game, and I listed and pointed out how they did. I guess you just don't understand. :(

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Originally Posted by Aryalandi

FFXI quests.

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This exists already. We call them sidequests. I did one a while back that depicted a supposed stalking admirer who actually turned out to be the NPC's brother who their family had disowned years prior. He had been attempting to support his younger sister from afar without interfering in her life due to his now criminal history. How does this short story in anyway differ from what FFXI did? Problem seems to be how few people actually do sidequests nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

FFXIV is a modern MMORPG designed to appeal to more casual time-conscious players. The days of level grinding in the 'Dooms' and exp loss on death and 18-hour straight HNM boss fights like Absolute Virtue have thankfully gone forever. I loved FFXI for the 11 years I've been playing it but I was also not blinded by nostalgia and saw it's many faults and problems even back in it's heyday. The past is passed. Time to move on.

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I was actually responding to all this until I realized you seem to absolutely hate FFXI, period. You focused solely on the bad of XI, without any merit of what made the game fun. Then at the end try to make XIV sound like some entirely new thing with its design. XIV is just as much of a grind-fest as XI, if not more in some cases. I'm sorry you punished yourself for 11 years in FFXI, but that was a personal option; and it does not make FFXI a horrible game by any standard. Otherwise it would have long shutdown, no maintenance mode (with constant updates), or no hint at yet even another expansion as per stated from a recent interview (however slight it may be), -or- the fact they are working on a FFXI mobile version that currently has plans up to CoP. Now am I saying FFXI was the best game for everyone on earth? Nope, but its concepts are certainly not the disaster you're blowing it up to be. Bad choices by devs sure (not making NIN Utsu like Rogue's Shade shift years ago etc), but still solid core ideas.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Eh? I literally listed exact copies they took from WoW.

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Exact copies? So you think the idea of a caster that cycles between one mode and another is exclusive to WoW?

Weekly Lockouts are an innovation that began with WoW?

Currencies are currencies, there is no 'format' they are simply tokens you collect to purchase other things. Many games have multiple currencies with a single monetary currency and other tokens, this is hardly cloning WoW.

And I absolutely refuse to take WoW having multiple difficulty levels in dungeons as evidence that FFXIV copied WoW. Multiple difficulties is something that has existed almost since the dawn of gaming.

There is a thing in patent law that says that a patent cannot/should not be granted if something could be reasonably developed by an ordinary practitioner in the field. Concepts such as multiple difficulty levels, token systems & currency, lockouts to extend content life and even the cycling from one mode to another in BLM are all things that can be reasonably expected to be developed by competent practioners in the field of MMORPG design and implementation.

Or in other words, you're giving examples of things that could easily be developed independently without any direct reference to another source. To say that such things were copied or cloned from another source needs more evidence than the kinds of similarity you describe, and also some justification as to why you think those things could not reasonably have been developed independently buy a company with a history in RPGs and MMORPGs.

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I never mentioned anything about dragons...

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I know. I was using that as an example of how easy it is to pull things from FFXIV and claim they were copied from other games. I mean it could be said that Elezen are totally rip off of Elves in Lord of the Rings; they aren't but there are similarities. A lot of Fantasy games borrow from literature, and a lot of MMORPGs with fantasy settings (and solo RPGs) borrow very heavily from the pencil& paper die based games such as D&D. So perhaps we should discuss those similarities?

The point being that games that operate within a genre will always have major themes in common, and MORPGs and RPGs in general will always have a ggreat many similar mecvhanics and concepts. But none of that means that one game is a clone of another.

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You said you don't want them to clone an old game, and I listed and pointed out how they did. I guess you just don't understand. :(

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I understand, I just feel that I have a broader perspective than you in that I'm not looking to pin an accusation of copying or cloning on FFXIV, while you seem to be wishing to do so.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

LOL But it already is attempting to clone wow in certain ways: the quests, smn is a clone of the warlock job (its a mix of the Demonology and Affliction Warlock), the combat is similar only 14 flat out lights up the boxes to tell you the next thing to use, or how bout the fact that this games own producer said to look to wow for inspiration and had the dev team play wow..hmm WHAT ELSE?? the black mage is a copy of WoW's Balance Druid from Cataclysm, the lock outs are the same format, the currencies are set up exactly like WoW's format, the fact they have Hard Mode dungeons while they change unlike WoW's Heroic/Mythic Dungeons they serve the same purpose and that game old as the hills.

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Blade and Soul is a game with a DoT-heavy pet class, daily lockouts on dungeons and currencies that you can obtain from running content that can be traded in for gear.

Does that mean Blade and Soul is a copy of Wow, too? (spoilers: they're nothing alike)

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

This exists already. We call them sidequests. I did one a while back that depicted a supposed stalking admirer who actually turned out to be the NPC's brother who their family had disowned years prior. He had been attempting to support his younger sister from afar without interfering in her life due to his now criminal history. How does this short story in anyway differ from what FFXI did? Problem seems to be how few people actually do sidequests nowadays.

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More like people skip all the cut scenes and text just to get to the end game faster so that they can idle with everyone else in Mor...I mean Idylshire until the next expansion that will have an idling end game hub.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

This exists already. We call them sidequests. I did one a while back that depicted a supposed stalking admirer who actually turned out to be the NPC's brother who their family had disowned years prior. He had been attempting to support his younger sister from afar without interfering in her life due to his now criminal history. How does this short story in anyway differ from what FFXI did? Problem seems to be how few people actually do sidequests nowadays.

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Back when side quests gave important rewards sure they did.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

That's realy a different and somewhat universal issue thought, isn't it? I mean, the reason coil is an afterthought for those at current end game is power creep. It's not an afterthouight if you are at lvl 50 though. So either your gear an abilities should not progress otherwise power-creep makes old raids too easy, or the raids should scale with player ilvl. Given the delicate balance already tuned into the content, rubber-banding major parameters like HP, defence and attack strength would be a disaster. So, how do you keep the Coils current when the current ilvl is 3 times what it took to beal BCOB Turns 1-5?

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I totally miss phrased that lol. I meant Coil was a goal to reach, where as Alex Savage is less appealing because its just the same raid but harder. Though that might have more to do with how uninteresting the current raid is for me.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Back when side quests gave important rewards sure they did.

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Higher level side quests could be made more attractive by making sidequests a source for glamor items or materials used to make them.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Never a bad thing to be open-minded :) People are so unwilling to admit that XIV could be improved if they borrowed an idea or two from XI. Of course XI wasn't perfect, no one is claiming that, but this is why you don't try to copy the bad bits...

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That is true, FFXIV, FFXI and all the others out there do something better than the other. Reading over my post again, I didn't mean to sound so much against things being in XIV from XI. Just that when someone says "Add subjobs!" without acknowledging the downsides to them, I believe someone should go "Yeah the idea is nice, just..remember it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows..unless you were on the summoner unlock quest." That does mean though that what is taken from XI could be adjusted to fit the lifestyle of XIV. Just, because it is a good idea in XI doesn't mean it would be great in XIV. Though on the flip side, it could be absolutely wonderful in XIV and maybe even better!

For example, sub-jobs could have been replaced with cross class skills. Different additions when used by different jobs. Or the constant gear blinking..say the ability / gear slots someone mentioned from IX. So instead of switching out a ton for healing potency, have it be something to spirit bond and add to your current gear set..mind you these are not great ideas. There will be balance. Though i'm saying with the great ideas comes problems, and we as a player should learn to acknowledge that and sometimes go "It's worth the beatings" or not.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

Shout half a day to get a group to kill Hektaeye for ohat? Yeah i'm all game! \o/

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You're right, these do not help. I do believe we have something already at this level. For example, myself, I have not done Ravanna EX. Party finder for it has been just the same as yelling all day to get a group for Carby mitts in XI. A few things from the XI days are already here, just in a different form. Both good and bad, and some have been greatly improved on. I'm rather happy with the XIV game, though I will agree there's room for improvements.

I believe XI did a wonderful job bringing people together, here, I know these guys are all awesome but there's no need to gather. I had a lot more connections with people in DynaAngels and EventHorizion than I do with any XIV FC's, as great of people as they are. We were never forced to venture into places together. There wasn't ever "Lei, switch to BRD and come to sea!" help someone out all night, gather points so I can use it later for something I want. Yet the XIV people, for the most part, are very cheerful and happy, then the ones who take it too seriously and hate the game but can't quit...well that's another story.

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Originally Posted by Sho86

I was actually responding to all this until I realized you seem to absolutely hate FFXI, period. You focused solely on the bad of XI, without any merit of what made the game fun.

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I've yet to find what people thought of as fun in FFXI. The combat was generally a mess (between TP dynamics to the bastardization of several of the in-game systems by the players). Class balance was a mess (god-tier jobs, junk jobs, exacerbated by overt focus on niche design). World presentation was a mess (the world being barren of civilization outside of the three main cities, though this I chalk up to game engine limitations and the PS2). Nevermind the plethora of unintended things done in-game that diminished my enjoyment (I can attest to this as someone who hates gear-swaps, staff-wielding PLDs and refresh botting).

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Then at the end try to make XIV sound like some entirely new thing with its design. XIV is just as much of a grind-fest as XI, if not more in some cases.

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The difference is that XIV at least lets you see some sort of progression. Which is nothing like, say, camping a named monster for a drop you "needed" to get into exp parties or doing Dynamis for the billionth time for your Duelist's Chapeau.

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I'm sorry you punished yourself for 11 years in FFXI, but that was a personal option; and it does not make FFXI a horrible game by any standard. Otherwise it would have long shutdown, no maintenance mode (with constant updates), or no hint at yet even another expansion as per stated from a recent interview (however slight it may be), -or- the fact they are working on a FFXI mobile version that currently has plans up to CoP.

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Here you're ignoring the fact that people who spend a lot of time on something are very reluctant to entirely drop it, regardless of how shitty the experience is. Aside from that some will stay because they have friends in-game.

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Now am I saying FFXI was the best game for everyone on earth? Nope, but its concepts are certainly not the disaster you're blowing it up to be. Bad choices by devs sure (not making NIN Utsu like Rogue's Shade shift years ago etc), but still solid core ideas.

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I'll call this into question. To name some examples, we've had people asking for extra stats on gear, often citing FFXI's stats and not realizing the balance issues those would cause progression-wise and gear design-wise (before even getting into how such stats would affect actual gameplay). We've had people asking for Dynamis and Nyzul Isle clones, gotten them and had one (Diadem) shit on for not being a source of raid gear and the other (PotD) labeled as repetitive (despite following almost the exact same structure as Nyzul Isle sans the floors with bullshit lamp placements).

What else is there? Pankration? A horribly-designed pet battle system that with some major tweaks could have been decent but was abandoned.

Moblin Maze Mongers? A decent system that was abandoned too early and then was implemented a second time (see: Meeble Burrows) because reasons.

Campaign? We already have that via FATEs, and the only difference between the two is that FATE mobs don't one-shot you the way Campaign mobs could.

Besieged? An unsustainable model, since that (along with the original implementation of colonization) assumes a continuously high in-game population.

Assault? We have this already in the form of dungeons, just without the classisms.

This all said, I'm willing to discuss things we could actually learn and improve from XI that don't mess with progression, but such examples are few and far in between.

PS: Before anyone mentions Delve and the several hundred other events with a single word for a name, those are all pretty much the same thing, just with different names and currencies. Collect gimmick (either items or currency) => pop and kill mob => get loot or get nothing depending on RNG => repeat.

Blah blah most of FFXI is archaic blah blah unbalanced mess since day 1 that still continues today blah blah.... I am a broken record.

Could of sworn like a week or two ago we had a big debate about this. And then we had one a few weeks before that, and then a few weeks before that. Pretty much every other week since beta got released.

You know, since FFXI dropped the PS2/360 version(finally!), we should request they do a touch up to the game's graphics along with the UI that is currently being worked on.

I should get back on FFXI and finish those story quests.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I've yet to find what people thought of as fun in FFXI. The combat was generally a mess (between TP dynamics to the bastardization of several of the in-game systems by the players). Class balance was a mess (god-tier jobs, junk jobs, exacerbated by overt focus on niche design). World presentation was a mess (the world being barren of civilization outside of the three main cities, though this I chalk up to game engine limitations and the PS2). Nevermind the plethora of unintended things done in-game that diminished my enjoyment (I can attest to this as someone who hates gear-swaps, staff-wielding PLDs and refresh botting).

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Go to youtube and watch most player reviews. The combat is the last thing people sing cheers about in XIV. Where as most player who did play XI usually recite how much they enjoyed the combat system. Class balance was not as tuned as it is here, but you also have more ways to play each job than you do here. The world being barren I would also chalk up to ps2 limitations but it wasn't that barren. You could go into areas connected to others and stumble upon a tribe or something else of interest.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

The difference is that XIV at least lets you see some sort of progression. Which is nothing like, say, camping a named monster for a drop you "needed" to get into exp parties or doing Dynamis for the billionth time for your Duelist's Chapeau.

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If I had the money I would buy a new car every 3 months and replace it every 3 months. However if money came that easy to me I probably wouldn't appreciate that new car for long.Same thing here.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Here you're ignoring the fact that people who spend a lot of time on something are very reluctant to entirely drop it, regardless of how shitty the experience is. Aside from that some will stay because they have friends in-game.

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I drop something quicker than Doc Holliday can pull the trigger in Tombstone when it isn't something I enjoy. I can't speak for others.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I'll call this into question. To name some examples, we've had people asking for extra stats on gear, often citing FFXI's stats and not realizing the balance issues those would cause progression-wise and gear design-wise (before even getting into how such stats would affect actual gameplay). We've had people asking for Dynamis and Nyzul Isle clones, gotten them and had one (Diadem) shit on for not being a source of raid gear and the other (PotD) labeled as repetitive (despite following almost the exact same structure as Nyzul Isle sans the floors with bullshit lamp placements).

What else is there? Pankration? A horribly-designed pet battle system that with some major tweaks could have been decent but was abandoned.

Moblin Maze Mongers? A decent system that was abandoned too early and then was implemented a second time (see: Meeble Burrows) because reasons.

Campaign? We already have that via FATEs, and the only difference between the two is that FATE mobs don't one-shot you the way Campaign mobs could.

Besieged? An unsustainable model, since that (along with the original implementation of colonization) assumes a continuously high in-game population.

Assault? We have this already in the form of dungeons, just without the classisms.

This all said, I'm willing to discuss things we could actually learn and improve from XI that don't mess with progression, but such examples are few and far in between.

PS: Before anyone mentions Delve and the several hundred other events with a single word for a name, those are all pretty much the same thing, just with different names and currencies. Collect gimmick (either items or currency) => pop and kill mob => get loot or get nothing depending on RNG => repeat.

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And Vermillion is so much better than Pankration? How many people play that?

The difference between campaign and fates is you played a role in an alliance vs beast war. Not just fought beast because they happened to be at a blue icon thing on the map with no story tied to their circumstance.

At least Besieged was an fugging actual public system for more than 20 players that you could see other players participating in from the server having varying level ranges from low level to the BiS people. And it was crazy fun, and had a branching quest line depending on who won or lost. You make it seem insignificant, but after effects do add immersion and encouraging someone to care about what happens to the world.

Assault and Dungeons are nothing alike except that they take place in an instance. There were dynamics there that are not present here like awareness, enemy tendencies and AI that make or break runs.

Just because someone doesn't like something doesn't mean everyone does. So if you didn't like it that's fine. I like most I see in this game, but the combat and closed-ness of content makes me feel like The Man in the Bubble sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

PS: Before anyone mentions Delve and the several hundred other events with a single word for a name, those are all pretty much the same thing, just with different names and currencies. Collect gimmick (either items or currency) => pop and kill mob => get loot or get nothing depending on RNG => repeat.

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I'm sorry to not be able to address the rest of your post at this moment, but your PS caught my eye.

Regardless of the game you play, MMO endgame at the very core is essentially the same. Run content repeatedly, obtain upgrades.

The issue with XIV's endgame is that it is incredibly limited and gets dull fast. Major patches generally brings us 2 dungeons, one 24-man raid, and one 8-man which are then put on farm-mode for your most current ilvl needs. While it is nice they even give us new content, it comes at the price of making almost everything else obsolete and forgotten. XIV boasts quite the selection of dungeons and raids, but there is very little reason to go back to them as a level 50 player outside of your daily roulettes.

XI is no different in that you are continually running content for upgrades, but your event options were far greater. For end-game gearing, you had salvage/assaults, Nyzul, Einherjar, Sky, Sea, Abyssea NMs, Limbus, Dynamis (and probably some others I am forgetting) all at your disposal in your quest to obtain relevant end-game gear. These all come with their own very distinct objectives and requirements which set them apart from each other. They now also have also have Escha, Delve, Skirmish, Ambuscade, etc.

To break those events down a little further, assaults consisted of about 40 different "dungeons" you could choose from, Limbus had 15+ different sections to choose, Dynamis consisted of 10 different zones to run. Sea/Sky had numerous different main focuses (NMs) as well depending on your taste for the day.

So yes, while all endgame gaming is essentially grinding content for marginal upgrades, it doesn't all have to be a complete snore. Spamming the same 2-3 dungeons and 1-2 raids gets old fast.

I am not asking for XI's exact content to be put into XIV. I am asking to have XI's endgame variety put into XIV.

Too bad that this isn't like WoW at all just to name some obvious differences..
-No talent system
-No actual good ranked PvP gear
-FF14 has only 1 difficulty in terms of raiding (Savage or go home there's no mid tier)
-Stats are dumbed down even a monkey can understand
-tanks DPS, Healers DPS, DPS DPS, your family DPS's, your friends DPS in WoW healers just healed, tanks did dmg but not enough to make a difference
-"Glamour is the true endgame"- RPers static raiding
-Legendary items VS Relic is a 1 sided battle
-Raiding items VS 240 there's no reward for raiders compared to WoW where you have Raid finder > Normal > Heroic > Mythic

XI is just too archaic to even be implemented, yes the ideas can be put in but having them play exactly the same would be pretty redundant I don't want a XI.2 I'm content with playing FF14 it's a decent MMO but not perfect if it was then i'd be playing that and so would the world. If this game was like XI I wouldn't play people have nostalgia and you're right to have it but others don't share that same feeling like myself, I was more avid WoW player but even I don't want this game to be just like WoW then what'd be the point? This game has charm most MMOs these days don't have any at all i've laughed at the Hildibrand quests, I actually liked the story and I love the combat and boss/EX themes with their amazing mechanics.

FFXI though has it's many classes which I do like however the problem is that people have so many ideas/character fantasy that it's just too much for a game depicting what it wants and what people want leading to the most entitled people in this game coming off as whiners. Wait till Red Mage and Samurai come out people are going to cry a friggen storm because it's not like what it was in XI or it's not what I wanted it to be, you're not a game designer SE makes the choices, decisions we pay the sub, yes we can be upset but seeing all these forums just makes me disappointed and have no faith in the playerbase. It's all "I want I want I want!!!" while putting no effort into this game I wish this game had an actual progressive raiding scene instead of people just wanting to do shit because it's glamour or it's for a mount or whatever this game hasn't been about the gear since coil 1-9 when Syrcus Tower put the upgrades for free ilvl 110 gear just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

idk i remember when i90 was max that that was the level of tome and raid gear, minus(and patched in later than at launch) the weapon which was only a mere 5 ilevels higher. Then again the max amount of weekly tomes were like 300 or something initially the upgrade thing was cool as a way to dye the gear, but i sort of agree i dont really like them being locked in raids or the current 24 man,

Make FFXIV more like FFXIV and not like any other game.

I don't know why you guys keep arguging this. As much as I want XIV to learn a bit more from XI on some aspects, it's probably not going to happen. We gave examples in the past, but it seems like people have forgotten it or damned it saying it won't work.

This is unrelated, but POTD I have a bone to pick and have been meaning to say...Why push this content out so fast? Why do people that want a challenge have to WAIT just to get what they want? Why not delay your content, make sure it is fully good to go and THEN release it so it can receive a PROPER review instead of us just being disappointed until the next patch if we even make it that far? Just my thoughts on that.

I'd address some of the XI concerns myself, but really..I'm tired of talking about the same thing. I only logged into XIV the other day just so I could access the OF..Ironically, I find the OF more entertaining than the game itself at this point.

make FFXIV more like a Final Fantasy game and less like WoW? Id sacrifice more mounts for more jobs personally, i mean throughout the series maybe have we ever seen characters use a handful total different ways of travelling.welp gonna get the flame retardant suit ready :x

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

make FFXIV more like a Final Fantasy game and less like WoW? Id sacrifice more mounts for more jobs personally, i mean throughout the series maybe have we ever seen characters use a handful total different ways of travelling.welp gonna get the flame retardant suit ready :x

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I wish we had less aetheryte camps and actual airship/boat rides that took time and weren't instant. Though I would rather them be available everytime and not on a timer like in XI, waiting for that damn airship to get back after just missing it was horrible lol

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Originally Posted by bass9020

I wish we had less aetheryte camps and actual airship/boat rides that took time and weren't instant. Though I would rather them be available everytime and not on a timer like in XI, waiting for that damn airship to get back after just missing it was horrible lol

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never played 11, but did watch a video of a boat ride and monsters show up, looked kinda fun to me id dig it.

As much as I enjoyed XI, there are things I do not ever want to see in XIV.

Like NM camping, pop NMs with an item that drop loot is fine. Not liking the idea of waiting for a timed spawn and losing claim to a bot or bad luck. Diadem could of been the "Sky" endgame activity where you have to work to spawn NMs and HNMs via pop items (or the ZNM system which was pretty nifty.)

Unpopular opinion, but I liked Abyssea. It gave other neglected jobs a chance to shine, before the meta was top geared SAM x2-3 (one DRG) BRD, and RDM killing pink food stealing birds for hours on end, no other jobs were allowed and even if there are alternate camps most of the playerbase wanted to copy what's popular or adapt. Diadem should of been something like that, where you could enter with any premade you wish, farm time, and farm loot.

It took me some getting used to the whole idea of raids, in XI there really wasn't raids just open world hardcore content. Though I suppose Dynamis would count as an instanced raid. Feels like everything in this game has to be locked behind a timed instance. They need to mix things up a bit. Destiny raids (talking about the FPS) weren't timed, you go in with a party and try your hardest to beat it and get the weekly lockout for loot.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Sure, if we were debating all the pros and cons of the old XI, I can see why that may come up - but why on earth would we be trying to adapt some of the negative features the game had?

I'm not quite sure why, but it seems like people are unable to accept the fact that XIV can be improved upon, and heaven help you if you mention XI. If it makes people feel better, I'd love if they implemented some things from GW2 and AA too! Build myself the perfect MMO! lol.

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In a lot of the FFXI threads I see on here, people ask for a lot of things like Hakutaku and world spawns that take 24-72 hours to spawn. The reason why it gets brought up in threads like this is because some people are asking for that stuff. This is bringing back memories of farming those stupid eyes only to have the synth blow up lmao.

Do I think XIV can be improved upon. Sure do! Do I think taking inspirations from XI is a good idea? Why not as long as it was fun.

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

In a lot of the FFXI threads I see on here, people ask for a lot of things like Hakutaku and world spawns that take 24-72 hours to spawn. The reason why it gets brought up in threads like this is because some people are asking for that stuff. This is bringing back memories of farming those stupid eyes only to have the synth blow up lmao.

Do I think XIV can be improved upon. Sure do! Do I think taking inspirations from XI is a good idea? Why not as long as it was fun.

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I have never ever seen that omg lol. I only seen people ask for interesting stats and force pop NM's, maybe something like Dynamis I've seen as well.. basically the positives from XI. Although I don't read -every- post..but lmao who would want that junk in here...that stuff was pretty bad. I would never revolve my IRL around a game for some 72 hour spawns hahaha

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

make FFXIV more like a Final Fantasy game and less like WoW? Id sacrifice more mounts for more jobs personally, i mean throughout the series maybe have we ever seen characters use a handful total different ways of travelling.welp gonna get the flame retardant suit ready :x

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This game is becoming less and less Final Fantasy in my opinion. The last time it felt like a true Final Fantasy game was in 1.x to 2.1. I don't know, I think the amount of FF fanservice it gets makes it feel like a spin-off game and the ridiculousness of some mounts, gear and items irk me. Not to mention there's no such thing as adventure in this game, which Final Fantasy was mainly about. The zones all felt so tiny and there's not much mystery in them. Maybe I just think FFXIV isn't that FFXIV anymore and the game feels so unoriginal.
I guess the music is a factor since it's not Uematsu anymore but Soken is pretty good anyway, but not better.

I played FFXI for a long time but there isn't a whole lot from the game I'd like to bring over. I wouldn't mind the option to actually enjoy an airship ride or a going on a boat to travel somewhere but it really depends on why I'm going there. Is my goal something on the boat? I'd be totally down for a cruise style boat that you can use to get special types of deep ocean fish that could occasionally get attacked by pirates or Sahagin. Or maybe skyfishing in the sea of clouds and the sky pirates or vanu attack you occasionally.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Back when side quests gave important rewards sure they did.

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... so you need a reward to do content? I thought this was about the story and NPC interaction. Not what awesome trinkets you can get.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

... so you need a reward to do content? I thought this was about the story and NPC interaction. Not what awesome trinkets you can get.

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I'll do side content even for no rewards if the story/npc's are entertaining. But I don't see a problem with people wanting to be rewarded for a time investment. However what constitutes a worthwhile reward is purely subjective to the individual.