Game is ruined (FFXIV 2.0)

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10-14-2011, 11:46 PM
Demacia

Changes look awesome. why would anyone want it to stay the same?
10-14-2011, 11:48 PM
Wolfie

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Changes look awesome. why would anyone want it to stay the same?

FFXI and FFXIV are two games with a very high population of masochists.
10-14-2011, 11:48 PM
Yonnji

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

So the people replying to utterly silly en retarded posts are the bad guys, but people rage quitting about some announcement are not? Nice logic you got going there.

People replying with nothing but insults are the bad guys, yes. Calling OP a retard just because of his opinion, may soothe someone's fanboyish butthurt, but it will not win an argument.
10-14-2011, 11:51 PM
Fensfield

Just.. be sure and come back once the v2.0 re-release is done, right?

I mean there's going to be a free trial of it anyway, it'd be sad not to at least make sure you weren't wrong.
10-14-2011, 11:55 PM
Xmbei

the only partial complaint I have... is that update will probably take forever... will be a gruelingly painful patch day, but on the plus side... it will be epic on the other side :D
10-14-2011, 11:57 PM
KiriA500

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Originally Posted by Fensfield

Just.. be sure and come back once the v2.0 re-release is done, right?

I mean there's going to be a free trial of it anyway, it'd be sad not to at least make sure you weren't wrong.

Nobody on the internet is ever wrong.

[SIZE="7"]EVER![/SIZE]
10-14-2011, 11:57 PM
AngryNixon

The winds of change are blowing in Eorzea. Adapt or get swept away. We'll be happy to have you around but won't mourn the loss.

Also, it isn't like WoW. Stop using that blanket statement for everything. The game has a log-in screen too... Is that like WoW? It has characters in it that do quests sometimes... Is that like WoW? SE designed an MMO, Blizzard also designed an MMO... is SE trying to be like Blizzard? Stop your shit.
10-14-2011, 11:59 PM
Demacia

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

FFXI and FFXIV are two games with a very high population of masochists.

Watch what you say 'bout my baby FFXI. Seriously though, most of the features (except all dungeons = instanced nonsense) that they just announced are either necessary for a modern MMO or straight up catering to fan requests (hello one-shot character recreation and new genders). It's like 99% goodness.

I'll take my FFXI-lite v2.0 : WoW edition as long as it's fun.
10-14-2011, 11:59 PM
Molly_Millions

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Originally Posted by Yonnji

People replying with nothing but insults are the bad guys, yes. Calling OP a retard just because of his opinion, may soothe someone's fanboyish butthurt, but it will not win an argument.

I think people are calling him a retarded because he posted something that's beyond retarded. The truth hurts.
10-15-2011, 12:04 AM
Wolfie

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Watch what you say 'bout my baby FFXI. Seriously though, most of the features (except all dungeons = instanced nonsense) that they just announced are either necessary for a modern MMO or straight up catering to fan requests (hello one-shot character recreation and new genders). It's like 99% goodness.

I'll take my FFXI-lite v2.0 : WoW edition as long as it's fun.

Hey man, chill. I played FFXI longer than any other MMO, but I can still be objective about it. I quit before Abyssea, so I don't know what it's like now, but that game was totally for masochists up until halfway through TOAU and maybe early WOTG.
10-15-2011, 12:11 AM
Godking

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Originally Posted by Crevox

That's not my point. I don't care who invented them. I'm giving WoW as an example. This game is becoming like every other MMORPG out right now in the western market. A clone in FF flavor.

You're giving WoW as an example because you're a part of the game group who can't compare it to any other game other than WoW. When I saw you compare this to WoW I lol'd a little bit, as I'm sure everyone else in this thread did
10-15-2011, 12:12 AM
Demacia

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Hey man, chill. I played FFXI longer than any other MMO, but I can still be objective about it. I quit before Abyssea, so I don't know what it's like now, but that game was totally for masochists up until halfway through TOAU and maybe early WOTG.

It's ass now. I miss being a masochist.

Why did they have to ruin it :(
10-15-2011, 12:26 AM
Pyrix

Because it was shit, Demacia.
10-15-2011, 12:28 AM
Demacia

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Originally Posted by Pyrix

Because it was shit, Demacia.

Pft, like your opinions.
10-15-2011, 12:31 AM
Wolfie

Yikes, tough words in this topic.
10-15-2011, 12:32 AM
Demacia

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Yikes, tough words in this topic.

With a thread title like that, who would've guessed?
10-15-2011, 12:32 AM
yaten

i like the change but its dumb to charge us before it comes out. i really hate how SE keeps trying to get over on us im not paying a danm dime for this game pre 2.0 and maybe even post 2.0 to.better mmo's will be out this year so why wait to 2013.
10-15-2011, 12:35 AM
Dubont

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Originally Posted by yaten

i like the change but its dumb to charge us before it comes out.

THis....entirely
10-15-2011, 12:36 AM
Jennestia

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

Even FFXI had add-ons, those were maybe not official, but they were there.

Which heavily ruined the balanced of the game for those who chose to play without them, just like every other MMO out there.
10-15-2011, 12:36 AM
Solstice

I hate how everyone is worried about "copying"

There ARE such things as right answers sometimes. For example, an Auction House-type economy is probably the "right answer" in most MMO cases. The biggest problem FFXIV has is that FFXI did a lot of things right, and FFXIV purposely tried NOT to be like FFXI and therefore ended up doing a lot of things wrong in the name of being unique. An idea SHOULD be copied if you can't think of a better one!

Trying solely to be unique does not result in a good product.... it often ends up, as we saw with FFXIV, in stubbornly using bad ideas in place of proven successful ones.

And using ideas from other games is not necessarily "copying"... What makes a game great is not how UN-like the others it is, but how WELL everything is executed.

So you can't tell based on a concept future plan if the game is copying anyone or not - the devil is in the details and HOW all these things actually get implemented and executed.

Almost nothing is truly innovative anymore - it's taking the same old ideas and doing them BETTER than the all the others that really makes a game stand out.
10-15-2011, 12:38 AM
Dubont

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Which heavily ruined the balanced of the game for those who chose to play without them, just like every other MMO out there.

Opinions. IMO, Abyssea and SMN burns ruined the balance....not "add-ons" that should have been in the game in the first place (like auto sort)
10-15-2011, 12:38 AM
Molly_Millions

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Originally Posted by yaten

i like the change but its dumb to charge us before it comes out.

It looks like they'll be charging post 1.20, when the game is 'retail ready'. I'm ok with that.
10-15-2011, 12:39 AM
Zion_Cross

Yooo op! GTFO! LOL
10-15-2011, 12:42 AM
Jennestia

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Opinions. IMO, Abyssea and SMN burns ruined the balance....not "add-ons" that should have been in the game in the first place (like auto sort)

Hmm..

Ability to see TP in party/alliance windows (MP in alliance windows) - SE stated they hid this info for a reason (clutter), this is the one thing that should have been in.

Ability to see dead NM bodies and exactly where it moves to it's next spawn? Doesn't hurt balance at all.

Ability to 100% pinpoint VNM locations without checking? As well as have your character auto track it? Doesn't hurt balance at all.

A lot of add-ons for FFXI were balance breakers, so few were only cosmetic changes that didn't hurt game balance, i.e Draw Distance, notification sounds (i.e being checked/emote/different tell sounds) etc. So opinion? Sure, but there are solid facts that a lot of add-ons to XI were made with giving advantages over people in mind.
10-15-2011, 12:45 AM
Dubont

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Hmm..

Ability to see TP in party/alliance windows (MP in alliance windows) - SE stated they hid this info for a reason (clutter), this is the one thing that should have been in.

Ability to see dead NM bodies and exactly where it moves to it's next spawn? Doesn't hurt balance at all.

Ability to 100% pinpoint VNM locations without checking? As well as have your character auto track it? Doesn't hurt balance at all.

A lot of add-ons for FFXI were balance breakers, so few were only cosmetic changes that didn't hurt game balance, i.e Draw Distance, notification sounds (i.e being checked/emote/different tell sounds) etc. So opinion? Sure, but there are solid facts that a lot of add-ons to XI were made with giving advantages over people in mind.

the things you are referring to aren't necessarily add-ons but performance enhancements, much like bots. There is a difference.
10-15-2011, 12:47 AM
Alyssa

Get out.

If this game becomes as well made as WoW but with a Final Fantasy flair it will be amazing.
10-15-2011, 12:49 AM
Dubont

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Originally Posted by Alyssa

Get out.

If this game becomes as well made as WoW but with a Final Fantasy flair it will be amazing.

implying that WoW is well made....
10-15-2011, 12:50 AM
Demacia

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Originally Posted by Dubont

the things you are referring to aren't necessarily add-ons but performance enhancements, much like bots. There is a difference.

This guy's right. Tools like Windower/TParty/Spellcast/Blinkmenot/Parsers make things smoother for the player but they don't give them any sort of unfair advantage.

Bots and all that are under a different category.
10-15-2011, 12:53 AM
Zaireeka2025

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Originally Posted by Crevox

This is just.. terrible.

The game looks like WoW, and everything about it sounds like every other MMO on the market. So much of the stuff they talk about (dungeon finder, achievements, etc) are just... sigh...

While it initially sounded good, the more I read, it just got worse and worse. I am absolutely disappointed in SE, they've gone and ruined what they were actually starting to fix and improve upon. I knew a new UI was coming, I knew a lot was coming... but all of this is just completely annoying and just... I'm just shocked that they actually did this.

Colossal disappointment... I don't even care that they're starting to charge money, I would've gladly kept paying right now... but after this, I just don't think so. :\

*log off*

BYE! SEE YA LATER!! BON VOYAGE!!! GTFO then.
10-15-2011, 12:56 AM
AreeyaJaidee

Obvious troll thread lmao!

Make sure you give your gear n gil to someone who better deserves them before you /ragequit
10-15-2011, 01:08 AM
Onidemon

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Originally Posted by Crevox

This is just.. terrible.

The game looks like WoW, and everything about it sounds like every other MMO on the market. So much of the stuff they talk about (dungeon finder, achievements, etc) are just... sigh...

While it initially sounded good, the more I read, it just got worse and worse. I am absolutely disappointed in SE, they've gone and ruined what they were actually starting to fix and improve upon. I knew a new UI was coming, I knew a lot was coming... but all of this is just completely annoying and just... I'm just shocked that they actually did this.

Colossal disappointment... I don't even care that they're starting to charge money, I would've gladly kept paying right now... but after this, I just don't think so. :\

*log off*

He's quite serious. He was just expecting FFXI-2, oh well too bad buddy! FFXI is still there and will welcome you with arms wide open! ;)
10-15-2011, 01:10 AM
Demacia

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

He's quite serious. He was just expecting FFXI-2, oh well too bad buddy! FFXI is still there and will welcome you with arms wide open! ;)

No it isn't. FFXI closed down. It's just abyssea and voidwatch now.

1.19 FFXIV feels more like FFXI than FFXI does. It's a good thing.
10-15-2011, 01:18 AM
Jennestia

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Originally Posted by Demacia

No it isn't. FFXI closed down. It's just abyssea and voidwatch now.

1.19 FFXIV feels more like FFXI than FFXI does. It's a good thing.

This is true actually lol. FFXI is catering to the "just give us battle content, but at the same time, hand us everything with little to no work" crowd. XIV actually has a "rounded" feeling to it that XI used to have.
10-15-2011, 01:28 AM
Wolfie

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Which heavily ruined the balanced of the game for those who chose to play without them, just like every other MMO out there.

And it's entirely their fault for choosing not to use every resource available to them and to restrict the way in which they play.
10-15-2011, 01:29 AM
Synfrag

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Originally Posted by Crevox

This is just.. terrible.

The game looks like WoW, and everything about it sounds like every other MMO on the market. So much of the stuff they talk about (dungeon finder, achievements, etc) are just... sigh...

*log off*

The only thing that I don't like about what I have read is the dungeon finder. Everything else is spectacular! Edit: Add-ons do actually scare me too, WoW is such a joke with these. I never learned how to play my Mage without them, not that I care.

PvP, Improved Graphics Engine, Improved servers, A world actually worth running around.

Personally, I didn't play FFXI for the bad graphics or goofy mechanics. I played it because out of all MMOs (EVER) it was the only one to give you access to all jobs/classes on one character. And for the rich story that is behind every Final Fantasy.

Those two staples aren't going anywhere so unless another developer can offer that then I'm staying. Not a damn thing like WoW, just some features that have proven successful in it and other MMOs. It's asinine to deny the benefit of things that have proven successful purely out of spite, childish too.
10-15-2011, 01:32 AM
PrettyPrincess

I dont see how it looks like wow.
10-15-2011, 01:34 AM
Exni

The game looks like WoW?... WTF!?.. How did any of you even get past that very first statement? Clearly he's either trolling or has NO CLUE what he's talking about, so why even bother.. ->
10-15-2011, 01:35 AM
Darkhaund

Maybe because of the features such as

Achievements
Dungeon finder
drag and drop etc
10-15-2011, 01:36 AM
Dubont

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Originally Posted by Darkhaund

Maybe because of the features such as

Achievements
Dungeon finder
drag and drop etc

yet games other than WoW have this and others had them before WoW....yet everyone always says WoW....someone is addicted.
10-15-2011, 01:37 AM
Wolfie

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Originally Posted by Darkhaund

Maybe because of the features such as

Achievements
Dungeon finder
drag and drop etc

Like I said, user friendliness equals WOW clone equals bad.

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