Wow, no mention of Auction house / MW improvements

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eekiki

Because SE has said NUMEROUS TIMES that market wards improvements were going to be put on the back burner until after 1.20.

READ THAT LAST SENTENCE AGAIN PLEASE.

---

I don't understand what's your fixation with SE's decision. People will be against/with the decisions made with this game very much like the real world of politics. If it's the majority, people will fight for it. If something doesn't work, people will fight for it. If the old ways works, then why not use the old ways that would benefit everyone else? Why is are some parts of this game setting back methods where XI methods will be say upgraded?

You play an MMO that was bought and you expect people to play downgraded features within it? I really can't accept that you played XI for you to talk down on these people and OP here.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Chezen

Hammer meet nail. What I like most about the MW, like Dreamer, is a vision of what it could be. But most people are too impatient to let it get worked out.

---

How many MORE years is that gonna take?

I've never seen an AH that could wear the gear I'm about to buy. That among other things is one reason (albeit minor) for SE to keep making adjustments to the wards. They have a good thing going, but it could be better.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I've never seen an AH that could wear the gear I'm about to buy. That among other things is one reason (albeit minor) for SE to keep making adjustments to the wards. They have a good thing going, but it could be better.

---

hey molly i know how we can make them happy

lets just change the name of the wards to "the auction house" and see if anyone can tell the difference!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TonyMontana

How many MORE years is that gonna take?

---

how many more posts is it gonna take before your head explodes?

I have simple solution for you, Square: make it so we can buy and list items for sale on our retainers directly from the market ward search menu. Needless running around gone. Tada.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheVedis

hey molly i know how we can make them happy

lets just change the name of the wards to "the auction house" and see if anyone can tell the difference!

---

they probably wouldn't notice. I've seen several of them say they don't buy or sell things in the wards anyway, so how could they know?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TonyMontana

How many more years is that gonna take?

---

What difference does it make if it helps make this game the best one ever? But an honest answer, I think the game will take about another 6 months to a year as a whole to be PS3 ready.

I don't want to see FF settle for what everyone else does, but there are more than enough people that may force them to do that. That, I think, has a bigger chance of leading to FF's downfall than hurrying up the development.

How much is too much to bite off? That is a question for Yoshi and devs to figure out. Whatever their decisions, I don't think they are making any without a lot of thought.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cicatriz

I have simple solution for you, Square: make it so we can buy and list items for sale on our retainers directly from the market ward search menu. Needless running around gone. Tada.

---

I honestly don't think that's the right solution. I say keep the part about walking to the retainers, but save us more time searching for items and add a delivery system. Storefronts for our retainers, for example, would be much more interesting and you can't do that with an AH. We could use a way to purchase items we don't have via out retainers, and even repair gear for others via our retainers. There is so much room to make the wards better than an AH that adding an AH would be a step backwards IMO.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

how many more posts is it gonna take before your head explodes?

---

Lol im cool as a cucumber homie. This is just kinda fun to poke at you guys with. I enjoy discussing these things. In truth it matters very little to me, I dont dedicate more than say an hour a week to FFXIV anymore. I recently got in Path of Exile beta and have been enjoying it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TonyMontana

If its an unfinished product why is the game still being sold as a retail ready product? Why isnt there a warning on the box telling new customers they are purchasing some extended beta. Why hasnt SE recalled the product?

---

Well, if you want to take the philosophical road, why are you still here if you have so many complaints about the game?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Belial

Well, if you want to take the philosophical road, why are you still here if you have so many complaints about the game?

---

Because I paid for the game and still occasionally enjoy speaking to the friends i have made from my LSs in game.

It works but it's time consuming, ill have to agree with RemVye

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Chezen

Hammer meet nail. What I like most about the MW, like Dreamer, is a vision of what it could be. But most people are too impatient to let it get worked out.

---

To be honest with you, i would like to get a feel of what this vision is and i think not many people do get it and you have to realise one year down the line, not many people will be patient. It is actually a big hassle having to deal with MW overall. Dumbing it down to search item > 30 sec run > done! is not a realistic view of the system, reality is it can take much longer. A simple example is buying a full set of gear, a worse example is what crafters can go through who will inevitably spend alot of time in the MW and i know TonyMontana is a full time crafter so i understand his frustration having taken many crafts, if not all to 50 (him, not me). We haven't even tapped into the bigger prob and that is selling. I'll just sum that one up by saying many including myself have ditched selling and gone vendoring because it's not worth the time, keeping in mind this is meant to be casual friendly.

I hope however, that the vision you speak of, whatever that maybe, is fulfilled by the time the major issues are fixed and this issue will likely be the next on the list. Otherwise, by then, i personally say scratch and bring AH in, or at the very least bring AH in and leave the wards for those fond of it for whatever reason. Though i doubt many would actually care enough for it.

Last but not least, nice sig! Always refreshing to see FFVII :D best of the series!

On a side note got a video for you pony lovers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJLL-DNu3P4

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gennosuke

Well, perhaps you have missed the common notion that anti MW people have which is basically to bring something about that works as efficiently as an AH. Me and anyone else who are requesting an AH, simply request it because it works, not because it's an AH. So, until the MW becomes as efficient as AH, expect people to request an AH, because that is what is known to work and it works good.

---

You do realize an AH poses it's own set of inadequecies and problems correct? Because switching from something that isn't perfect, to something else that isn't perfect, isn't what I would call a progressive step for an already hurting game.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Belial

You do realize an AH poses it's own set of inadequecies and problems correct? Because switching from something that isn't perfect, to something else that isn't perfect, isn't what I would call a progressive step for an already hurting game.

---

Right.. well, if you put it that way, then i will have to settle for the lesser of two evils.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheVedis

if an auction house is the most important aspect of gameplay to you i have some sad sad news for you

you know what kind of person cares that much about auction houses? RMT? are you guys RMT?

---

My response was a general statement; it had nothing to do with auction houses or market wards. AKA off-topic. :)

Edit: Also, if you think I care about AHs, you may want to read the post I made before the one you quoted...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gennosuke

Right.. well, if you put it that way, then i will have to settle for the lesser of two evils.

---

Which right now is the market wards. Taking dev time away from more pressing issues to work on something we don't need would be the greater evil. So I'm glad that we can agree.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Which right now is the market wards. Taking dev time away from more pressing issues to work on something we don't need would be the greater of two evils. So I'm glad that we can agree.

---

This past summer which would have been better use of the dev teams time -

1) Making an event revolving around swim suits.
2) Perfecting the markets wards or converting to an auction house.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TonyMontana

This past summer which would have been better use of the dev teams time -

1) Making an event revolving around swim suits.
2) Perfecting the markets wards or converting to an auction house.

---

I don't know man, it seems to me that those events are pretty simple. All they had to do is get the team that works on gear to make some swimsuit models and someone else to write (or even copy) a few lines of code for the quest. I'm sure the team that works on gear couldn't help much with creating an AH anyway. Id be willing to bet that most of the seasonal events were complete or close to it before the game even launched. Also, I'd bet that the UI team is working on overhauling the UI. That's more important to me than making the wards easier to use.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I don't know man, it seems to me that those events are pretty simple. All they had to do is get the team that works on gear to make some swimsuit models and someone else to write (or even copy) a few lines of code for the quest. I'm sure the team that works on gear couldn't help much with creating an AH anyway. Id be willing to bet that most of the seasonal events were complete or close to it before the game even launched. Also, I'd bet that the UI team is working on overhauling the UI. That's more important to me than making the wards easier to use.

---

Fair enough.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gennosuke

To be honest with you, i would like to get a feel of what this vision is and i think not many people do get it and you have to realise one year down the line, not many people will be patient. It is actually a big hassle having to deal with MW overall.

---

I know people are impatient. :) I also know that the greatest of accomplishments usually don't happen overnight, or in a flash of insight. They take a lot of hard work and thought, usually.

I see a possible side-game using the market wards and retainers, made especially for people who like to play the market game. I don't know what Tanaka-san had in mind, but the retainer levels suggest they were for more than standing around the market.

In any case, while I personally enjoy shopping in the wards, I more than understand a lot of people don't. I'm not against people wanting to get in and out of the MW faster, I just want them to stay for those of us who like them. How to do both... personally I thought the best suggestion was having both MW and AH in a dual combination, but I'm also patient to see what Yoshi-P does.

Quote:

---

Last but not least, nice sig! Always refreshing to see FFVII :D best of the series!

---

Thank you :) (favorite character \/ )

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

Dont care if there is an AH but they need a tutorial for new players.

---

That's in 1.19 duh! And there are tutorials all over the place...talk to any of the NPCs and or the lodestone...they tell you a lot there's whole books of tutorials. There's the lodestone here as well...ever click to your left? There's step by steps everywhere...or how about YouTube ever heard of that? There's whole tutorials there too...

Grr I see so many people thinking the term AH is synonymous with getting rid of the instances in the MW.

Making it so you can by things directly from a menu. YES PLZ

Turning the MW into an AH (meaning actually having to bid on stuff) NO

It's not needed, I never liked AH's.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Chezen

I know people are impatient. :) I also know that the greatest of accomplishments usually don't happen overnight, or in a flash of insight. They take a lot of hard work and thought, usually.

I see a possible side-game using the market wards and retainers, made especially for people who like to play the market game. I don't know what Tanaka-san had in mind, but the retainer levels suggest they were for more than standing around the market.

In any case, while I personally enjoy shopping in the wards, I more than understand a lot of people don't. I'm not against people wanting to get in and out of the MW faster, I just want them to stay for those of us who like them. How to do both... personally I thought the best suggestion was having both MW and AH in a dual combination, but I'm also patient to see what Yoshi-P does.



Thank you :) (favorite character \/ )

---

Your right, it does take time, and patience is key. I don't think it's a breaker at the moment but when we start getting more gil sinks and more gear and items and the economy starts booming, convenience will become a key factor in the MW. So until then, MW is not a biggie, but it really should be given attention from now so we don't get this discrepancy in the game as we are now; with new content/fights being introduced but still lacking a party search feature to compliment it.

Interesting ideas though you mention :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Starplayer

Sorry bro, you can move on if you want to but I sure as hell won't. Unlike you, I would like an AH. The poll SE ran a long while back showed that most people wanted one too. So you go right ahead and move on if you want to, I for one, would like some new info.

---

So you want a system where you have to bid on an item then wait atleast an RL day for the bidding to end to get the item because that is an AH, nothing else, yes FFXI had a blind bidding system but it still wasnt an AH.

If you implement buy it now sort of things its still NOT an AH, if people keep asking for an AH this is what we will get.

And dont give me the inevitable but WoW has an auction and an instant buy, because from what I understand is that most people use instant buy, if they implement it like WoW you will make the devs work on somthing that will not be used you know the auction, where you have to wait forever just to find out you got outbid overnight, so what you are left with is, guess what somthing that ISNT an auction.

By all means ask for a "buy from a counter" system but if people keep not understanding the word auction we will get a worse system.

People say the wards are slow, a proper AH will make it even slower, so for god sake stop asking for an AH when you mean somthing completly differant.

/rant over... for now.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by grandm

you don't need a AH the market ward works fine. i have no problem finding the right gear for my class, or selling unwanted gear, i hear the MW used to be broke when there was no search options, but there is now. fixed job done move on

---

-Nod- I rather like how the Market Ward works myself, rather than wading through menus upon menus and dropping framerates trying to find the things I need I'd much prefer to go to a specific section. The only problem I have really are the obscene amounts and awkward placements of retainers. Ha ha ha.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Delsus

So you want a system where you have to bid on an item then wait atleast an RL day for the bidding to end to get the item because that is an AH, nothing else, yes FFXI had a blind bidding system but it still wasnt an AH.

If you implement buy it now sort of things its still NOT an AH, if people keep asking for an AH this is what we will get.

And dont give me the inevitable but WoW has an auction and an instant buy, because from what I understand is that most people use instant buy, if they implement it like WoW you will make the devs work on somthing that will not be used you know the auction, where you have to wait forever just to find out you got outbid overnight, so what you are left with is, guess what somthing that ISNT an auction.

By all means ask for a "buy from a counter" system but if people keep not understanding the word auction we will get a worse system.

People say the wards are slow, a proper AH will make it even slower, so for god sake stop asking for an AH when you mean somthing completly differant.

/rant over... for now.

---

NO.

We want a system where we can flippin' buy things from the damn search menu.

Here's an example of me purchasing two items in the wards (assuming that I can even find them with the godaweful search function):

Searching, zoning, running, browsing NPC, buying, running, searching, zoning, running, browsing NPC, buying.

This ridiculous method could be simplified to:

Searching, buying, searching, buying.

It's as easy as letting me buy from the search menu. Running to the retainer, and buying from it serves NO PURPOSE what-so-ever.

This would also make it so that I could sell my wares in the more popular wards, which are ALWAYS full.

You can keep your silly market wards for all I care, just give us the option to use an AH separately (I guarantee that it would instantly negate the necessity for a market ward, anyway, considering it's a far more streamlined, logical, and modern system).

Edit:

When most people say "AH", we're referring to an XI style AH, which was the same thing as the current search function for the MW. The only difference was that it relied on price history, vs. current prices of items, and it let you buy the items from the menu, instead of forcing you to hassle with slow-to-pop retainers, and useless running and zoning load times.

all i hear is time sink, TIME SINK, like that's a bad thing. games are sposed to be a time sink, work is productive. cooking a meal is productive, spending time with my lady friend OO LA LA. is productive. playing a game is not productive its fun. and fun is a time sink. full stop

take playing football its fun? its a time sink.
or you play profesional, productive (makes you money)
do you play FF14 as a careerer ?? then its a fun time sink

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by grandm

all i hear is time sink, TIME SINK, like that's a bad thing. games are sposed to be a time sink, work is productive. cooking a meal is productive, spending time with my lady friend OO LA LA. is productive. playing a game is not productive its fun. and fun is a time sink. full stop

take playing football its fun? its a time sink.
or you play profesional, productive (makes you money)
do you play FF14 as a careerer ?? then its a fun time sink

---

Some time sinks are fun (imo, grinding, partying, NM fighting, dungeon exploring), and some time sinks are completely unnecessary, confusing, and frustrating (the process of buying and selling ANYTHING using the Market Wards).

It's not just the matter that it's a time sink, it's that it's a system that is not friendly to the users at either end of the transaction, and is fundamentally unrepairable without turning it into a buying counter, or "Auction House". Hence why we want an Auction House implemented (and not necessarily spawned from the MW, since some people seem to like the tedium of using it).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tsuga

NO.

We want a system where we can flippin' buy things from the damn search menu.

Here's an example of me purchasing two items in the wards (assuming that I can even find them with the godaweful search function):

Searching, zoning, running, browsing NPC, buying, running, searching, zoning, running, browsing NPC, buying.

This ridiculous method could be simplified to:

Searching, buying, searching, buying.

It's as easy as letting me buy from the search menu. Running to the retainer, and buying from it serves NO PURPOSE what-so-ever.

This would also make it so that I could sell my wares in the more popular wards, which are ALWAYS full.

You can keep your silly market wards for all I care, just give us the option to use an AH separately (I guarantee that it would instantly negate the necessity for a market ward, anyway, considering it's a far more streamlined, logical, and modern system).

Edit:

When most people say "AH", we're referring to an XI style AH, which was the same thing as the current search function for the MW. The only difference was that it relied on price history, vs. current prices of items, and it let you buy the items from the menu, instead of forcing you to hassle with slow-to-pop retainers, and useless running and zoning load times.

---

Lol hardly anyone liked FFXI's AH, mainly because it was so easy to manipulate, you could put the same item up 10 times and sell them to yourself, or so its harder to be noticed use mules to buy em straight up for a price you want and everyone will put them up for the same price, bam the AH is how you want it, not how it should be.

Also if you ask for an AH, we will probably get a bidding system, which will be alot more of a time sink than the wards, if you want buying from the search, or a desk outside ask for that, not an AH because you dont want an AH you want a direct buy system.

As I said before FFXI's AH was not a proper AH, it was a direct buy system where you didnt know the price, also it was a huge time sink (which apparently what you dont want) when you wanted the best deal, you want to buy say an Iron Spear, you check history and it says last 10 sales were 10k, so you bid 10k, rejected, 15k, rejected, 15.5km rejected and it goes on in 500g increments to 30k. That took ages, infact longer than the wards do now.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Delsus

Lol hardly anyone liked FFXI's AH, mainly because it was so easy to manipulate, you could put the same item up 10 times and sell them to yourself, or so its harder to be noticed use mules to buy em straight up for a price you want and everyone will put them up for the same price, bam the AH is how you want it, not how it should be.

Also if you ask for an AH, we will probably get a bidding system, which will be alot more of a time sink than the wards, if you want buying from the search, or a desk outside ask for that, not an AH because you dont want an AH you want a direct buy system.

As I said before FFXI's AH was not a proper AH, it was a direct buy system where you didnt know the price, also it was a huge time sink (which apparently what you dont want) when you wanted the best deal, you want to buy say an Iron Spear, you check history and it says last 10 sales were 10k, so you bid 10k, rejected, 15k, rejected, 15.5km rejected and it goes on in 500g increments to 30k. That took ages, infact longer than the wards do now.

---

Lol, I never said we wanted XI's AH. I said that I want a function where I can buy the items directly from the search menu that is ALL READY IN THE GAME.

Thus your argument, and every argument for the MW is completely moot, because all you're arguing for is useless zoning and running, and a system where a lot of people cannot even put items up for sale due to retainer restrictions.

/thread.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tsuga

Some time sinks are fun (imo, grinding, partying, NM fighting, dungeon exploring), and some time sinks are completely unnecessary, confusing, and frustrating (the process of buying and selling ANYTHING using the Market Wards).

It's not just the matter that it's a time sink, it's that it's a system that is not friendly to the users at either end of the transaction, and is fundamentally unrepairable without turning it into a buying counter, or "Auction House". Hence why we want an Auction House implemented (and not necessarily spawned from the MW, since some people seem to like the tedium of using it).

---

so i'm to understand its hard to use the market ward? i go there i need pgl weapon. i look under the right directory to find pgl weapons i scroll down to find the one in my rank see there is 2, so click on them to see how much and where they are i see the name of the retainer that has the lowest price is in the masons ward. i go there, look for the retainer with a star above there head to get my new weapon. my first ever transaction and no1 told me how to do it. i would say it was quite easy to figure out. and no one told me how to do it. since then i have even managed to sell things with my retainer, again no one has told me how to do it

I understand the fustrations with FFXI and the constant battle with RMT's and all other BOT's Ect. "please be kind for i am older" But for the overall ease of just useing the AH for quick buy's and for the fact im a grinder and never liked the crafting aspect in any mmo it was conveinent for me...... also killed time while waiting for a pty ^^ So i'm gonna say i kinda miss them. I've gotten used to going to them in most mmo's and i'm having a hard time getting used to the ward's. Also i worry about the same RMT overpricing there retainer's in the ward's as well ;; which would lead to the same thing just on a retainer to retainer basis with overly priced goods. I due wanna know if im in the only boat with Missing Mog House's? Anyone else kinda miss there's? I miss a place to store my stuff and have my own individual sence of self and space also a place to store all my special items like my Sandy Christmas tree....... So anyone else miss the mog house?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by grandm

so i'm to understand its hard to use the market ward? i go there i need pgl weapon. i look under the right directory to find pgl weapons i scroll down to find the one in my rank see there is 2, so click on them to see how much and where they are i see the name of the retainer that has the lowest price is in the masons ward. i go there, look for the retainer with a star above there head to get my new weapon. my first ever transaction and no1 told me how to do it. i would say it was quite easy to figure out. and no one told me how to do it. since then i have even managed to sell things with my retainer, again no one has told me how to do it

---

Great job, you get a gold star.

I have seen plenty of people get confused by the market wards, to the point that they just gave up trying to use it.

On Besaid, all of the wards that I want to set my retainers in (weaving and repairing wards) are full. All of the time. It's been that way every time I log on for months. Even if I'm just unlucky, the fact that I cannot sell my wares alone is a FLAW with the system.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tsuga

Lol, I never said we wanted XI's AH. I said that I want a function where I can buy the items directly from the search menu that is ALL READY IN THE GAME.

Thus your argument, and every argument for the MW is completely moot, because all you're arguing for is useless zoning and running, and a system where a lot of people cannot even put items up for sale due to retainer restrictions.

/thread.

---

Then you arent asking for an AUCTION HOUSE you are asking for a market system which uses a menu based interface rather than having to render the graphics, which I would prefer. What I am trying to get across is an AH is when you bid for items which is not what you are asking for, if you ask for an AH that is what you will get, an AUCTION system not an instant buy from a menu.

Incase your english is off, here is the definition of an AUCTION and this is exactly what you will get if you ask for an auction

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dictionary

1 a public sale in which goods or property are sold to the highest bidder:the books are expected to fetch a six-figure sum at tomorrow’s auction
[mass noun] the action or process of selling something to the highest bidder:the Ferrari sold at auction for £10 million

2 Bridgethe part of the play in which players bid to decide the contract in which the hand shall be played.

---

and the link, incase you dont believe me http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/auction

The second one doesnt matter because it is for the card game bridge, but i put it in for completion.

If this is what you want, by all means ask for an AUCTION house, if you want to buy from the search counter to eliminate MW traffic and graphical limitations ask for that. You will only get what you ask for.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tsuga

Great job, you get a gold star.

I have seen plenty of people get confused by the market wards, to the point that they just gave up trying to use it.

On Besaid, all of the wards that I want to set my retainers in (weaving and repairing wards) are full. All of the time. It's been that way every time I log on for months. Even if I'm just unlucky, the fact that I cannot sell my wares alone is a FLAW with the system.

---

really you know ppl that can't use the market wards? what's not to understand. search for an item, get told where it is, go and get it. really if the internet generation can't figure this one out we are in trouble

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Delsus

Then you arent asking for an AUCTION HOUSE you are asking for a market system which uses a menu based interface rather than having to render the graphics, which I would prefer. What I am trying to get across is an AH is when you bid for items which is not what you are asking for, if you ask for an AH that is what you will get, an AUCTION system not an instant buy from a menu.

Incase your english is off, here is the definition of an AUCTION and this is exactly what you will get if you ask for an auction

and the link, incase you dont believe me http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/auction

The second one doesnt matter because it is for the card game bridge, but i put it in for completion.

If this is what you want, by all means ask for an AUCTION house, if you want to buy from the search counter to eliminate MW traffic and graphical limitations ask for that. You will only get what you ask for.

---

People are arguing for an "Auction House", because that is what it was called in XI. Most people don't know what else to call it, and so that's what's carried over. We're trying to communicate with the people who developed XI, and so we're using XI terminology. I'm sorry if that confuses you.

The point is we want a system that cuts out the middle man of having to constantly run back and forth for no real reason other than the devs designed a flawed system that they're holding onto because they're expecting to make a quick buck once retainers go on sale for real money. What it's called doesn't matter, if you read the contents of most people's arguments, instead of focusing entirely on the terminology, or taking an apologist's stance (like most people are doing) then you'd understand what we're trying to argue for.

I think I speak for most people when I say that we want a system that is not COMPLETELY FLAWED IN EVERY SINGLE FACET OF ITS DESIGN, which is what we have with the current MW.

Call it what you want, I'll continue calling it an AH because that is the language that people here speak (XI lingo, or whatever).

Edit:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by grandm

really you know ppl that can't use the market wards? what's not to understand. search for an item, get told where it is, go and get it. really if the internet generation can't figure this one out we are in trouble

---

As if it were that easy. Before you can even search the damn things you want you have to take a guess at what ward the item you're looking for may be in. Want a shield? Try to figure out what category those fall into. Guessed wrong? Try again. And again. And again. And once you find the item you want, hit enter on it, and then try to guess what happens from there. 'Cause the game sure as hell doesn't tell you what you're supposed to do from there.

You probably knew how to use the wards because the Lodestone told you how when they were implemented.

Anyway, If I weren't all ready attached to this game and had to put up with that crap, I'd leave, too. The wards are completely unintuitive.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tsuga

People are arguing for an "Auction House", because that is what it was called in XI. Most people don't know what else to call it, and so that's what's carried over. We're trying to communicate with the people who developed XI, and so we're using XI terminology. I'm sorry if that confuses you.

The point is we want a system that cuts out the middle man of having to constantly run back and forth for no real reason other than the devs designed a flawed system that they're holding onto because they're expecting to make a quick buck once retainers go on sale for real money. What it's called doesn't matter, if you read the contents of most people's arguments, instead of focusing entirely on the terminology, or taking an apologist's stance (like most people are doing) then you'd understand what we're trying to argue for.

I think I speak for most people when I say that we want a system that is not COMPLETELY FLAWED IN EVERY SINGLE FACET OF ITS DESIGN, which is what we have with the current MW.

Call it what you want, I'll continue calling it an AH because that is the language that people here speak (XI lingo, or whatever).

Edit:


As if it were that easy. Before you can even search the damn things you want you have to take a guess at what ward the item you're looking for may be in. Want a shield? Try to figure out what category those fall into. Guessed wrong? Try again. And again. And again. And once you find the item you want, hit enter on it, and then try to guess what happens from there. 'Cause the game sure as hell doesn't tell you what you're supposed to do from there.

You probably knew how to use the wards because the Lodestone told you how when they were implemented.

Anyway, If I weren't all ready attached to this game and had to put up with that crap, I'd leave, too. The wards are completely unintuitive.

---

Ok you keep asking for an AH, but when you have to wait for 1RL day to get outbid then its not my fault, just keep the MWs for people that dont want a proper (bidding) AH for people that know basic english, seems I cant get though to you.

Oh and it doesnt take much inteligence to use the wards, Duhhh I wanna but a pug weapon but I dont see pug weapon anywhere all I see is pug arms.

And before you say I learned how to use them on lodestone, I was able to use them first day of the alpha before the lodestone was around, and before search was around, there simple and anyone with a tiny bit of logical thought can use them, while I do agree some could be named better, like Chirurgeons Ward, but all you need to do if you dont know what is sold in a ward is click it and it tells you OMG IT WAZ SO HARDZ MAH BRAINZ HURTZ.