Please for future Expansions: No level Cap increasement anymore

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Originally Posted by Nix

There's more to the game than raids/dungeons D: I see what you're saying, and you may not like content such as the housing system where crafting really shines (and that's ok!), but honestly, I play the game to craft. I really enjoy it and love the fact that I can level it a bit more post-Xpac^^;

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I own a house, and a FC house. We shouldnt need to be more then level 1 crafting jobs to make any of this trash, lets look at the spring dress, level 1 vanity crap that requires level 50 3star weaver to make. This should be craftable at level 1 in no gear other then the main hand. I love my vanity gear, but there is no point in adding levels to the crafting system when there is no use for it outside of vanity. If the housing items gave fc buffs, such as a ADS table or chair adding 10-30seconds of fc buff time every time you put up a fc buff. but no its purely vanity that serves no real purpose other then a gil sink, which gil is only used for vanity crap, other then repairing gear and food.

Don't get me wrong though, I love crafting. There is just no point whatsoever in keeping my crafting and gathering jobs at max gear or level when all we get to craft is nothing but useless crap to all of those who don't endgame craft, give us some accessories to make or a weapon. Hell I'd even take a item that is required to be crafted by a end game craft to upgrade the alexander, tome, or primal drops. Make the crafters useful to those who only want to do raiding or battle content (and in turn make materials drop from that content that is required to craft other things not simply the upgrade items but vanity items or food as-well). At the moment we are only useful to the hoarders, or vanity enthusiasts.

I just got to 60 today on Dark Knight. Bit slower than many people. Started with Heavensward on the 25th. I enjoyed the journey to 60 greatly. You say that people can still level up other jobs if they want to level when a new expansion comes out. I disagree because I want to level up again with my favorite job, not a job that I have no desire to play just so I can level up again. Plus I want to enjoy the journey of leveling through NEW content again. Doing that in 3.0 so far has been amazing.

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Originally Posted by IceWing

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I get what you're saying, but I disagree D:

It doesn't make sense that say, a level 1 carpenter should be able to make something like a carbuncle table, or have a naked lv1 goldsmith handle a horn you just ripped out of Ifrit's still smoking noggin' without sustaining 3rd degree burns.
And I think that gating some of the vanity stuff behind levels + rare mats is a good idea, it gives people who really want that superawesomevanity set something to work toward instead of it being like "Oh, you logged in? That's good enough, here you go!"

The adding time to an FC buff isn't a bad idea, why not submit that in a new thread? I think having that kind of attunement type dealio would be pretty cool!

Hopefully, in the future SE will add some content that makes crafters more than just vanity/furniture makers. That way, people with different playstyles (you being dungeon/endgame focused) and me (just happy to synth whatevs) will be satisfied^^;;

Have a wonderful day :D

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Originally Posted by IceWing

If we are not getting BIS crafted gear then leave crafting/gathering at 50 or 60 and not up their cap. the gear isn't best in slot so its just vanity crap, and nothing truly worth crafting on a end game stand point. All crafting brings us is vanity clothes, furniture, and minions nothing to actually help clear any form of content now. Leave the crafts/gathers at their current cap for the next epac no point in forcing us to relevel/regear them when we get nothing of use to the raiding or dungeoning community.

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Culinarian have a word to say to you
or don't you use HQ food in raids?

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

How would you define the funniest part of Final Fantasy 14?

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Unlocking flying for my fat chocobo mount, that was pretty hilarious. It must REALLY want that cake if it is flapping its tiny wings hard enough to lift its enormous mass into the air.

On topic, I enjoy leveling up the classes/jobs that I like particularly when I do so by completing new story content. The only thing I am dreading in the next xpac is ability/button bloat.

What's with the 'kings we', dude?

I like new level caps and leveling through to them.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Culinarian have a word to say to you
or don't you use HQ food in raids?

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Only if the food is a significant boost to damage or the extra vitality is required to live through mechanics (which you can easily just overgear fights making food useless as-well). Other then that, cheap nq food that slightly ups dps is better then nothing.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

hi

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All this salt, love it xd

god no.. i love the level cap increased in expansions :3 if a game kept addin expansions with no new level cap id quit in a second n uninstall the game

This is seriously a thread? Like, a game still relatively young and someone out and comes and says "No more leveling". The thoughts of people XD

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Originally Posted by LunnaRavenheart

It takes like 2 days of work to level from 50 to 60. Not really something hard to obtain.

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I don't agree with the OP but this right here is BS and only works for somebody with a part time job or nothing at all

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

not grinding through trivial quests that no one really enjoys or is paying attention to.

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Speak for yourself.

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Originally Posted by SakuraMidori

I don't agree with the OP but this right here is BS and only works for somebody with a part time job or nothing at all

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Weekend off! :o Speed varies too depending on method; you can power through if you skip sidequests and just dungeon grind + do your storyline D: . . . but I'm a total quest nut and it took me near a week ._.;

Took me about 2 weeks to get to 60.

@Tonkra, you're an idiot. Sorry but really, don't say everyone. I'm not with you and you're just baseless.

You're not a genius game designer, so quit trying to be one.

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Originally Posted by Nix

I get what you're saying, but I disagree D:

It doesn't make sense that say, a level 1 carpenter should be able to make something like a carbuncle table, or have a naked lv1 goldsmith handle a horn you just ripped out of Ifrit's still smoking noggin' without sustaining 3rd degree burns.
And I think that gating some of the vanity stuff behind levels + rare mats is a good idea, it gives people who really want that superawesomevanity set something to work toward instead of it being like "Oh, you logged in? That's good enough, here you go!"

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Crafting is mostly useless here. They've already stated that crafted gear won't be endgame after the snafu that was coil apparently.

That said, I'd agree more with the furniture thing if furniture was what Carpenters did, and not "a little of them thrown on everyone because why not".

EQ2 level 90 carpenter. Why? For the furniture.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Crafting is mostly useless here. They've already stated that crafted gear won't be endgame after the snafu that was coil apparently.

That said, I'd agree more with the furniture thing if furniture was what Carpenters did, and not "a little of them thrown on everyone because why not".

EQ2 level 90 carpenter. Why? For the furniture.

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I agree, outside of vanity/furniture and food... crafting has little-to-no use but a timefiller :( But on the other hand, I like that all crafts can contribute to furniture! :o I'm an addict D: That, and it would make sense for carpenters to tackle wood based things, goldsmith to tackle ornate stuffs... I wouldn't expect a carpenter to lay out a buffet! haha

As much as I enjoy crafting, I do have to admit that I hope that in the future it does have more of a use than timefiller/vanitybooster/furnishingmaker. I want to do something worthwhile :3

Have a wonderful day! :)

Thank goodness this read existed, I needed a good laugh today lol.

Level grind is alright i guess lol
Its kinda an FF thing i guess lol

Lol how else will they pad out the main scenario quest without lvl locking you out of progression and forcing you to grind exp hours on end? Trust me this will never happen..

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Originally Posted by Klb600

Lol how else will they pad out the main scenario quest without lvl locking you out of progression and forcing you to grind exp hours on end? Trust me this will never happen..

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That's not true, it will eventually.

FFXI started at level 50, only in Japan. After a few major updates, it was increased to 65. Then 70 for the NA beta, and then finally 75 shortly after NA launch.

The cap stayed at 75 for a LOOOOONG time. All the way through CoP, ToAU, and WotG. I expect the same will happen with FFXIV. We might even stay at 60 next expansion.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

That's not true, it will eventually.

FFXI started at level 50, only in Japan. After a few major updates, it was increased to 65. Then 70 for the NA beta, and then finally 75 shortly after NA launch.

The cap stayed at 75 for a LOOOOONG time. All the way through CoP, ToAU, and WotG. I expect the same will happen with FFXIV. We might even stay at 60 next expansion.

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I shouldn't have to say it, but I will: FFXI and FFXIV are 2 completely different games. Remember in FFXI you had to call for help to have someone kill a mob for you? Yeah, I guess because that was in FFXI that means it may eventually happen in FFXIV one day.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

lol... accomplished? accomplisment for killing 1000.000 trash mobs.. right that is an accomplishment.. i feel sorry for you if you havent played or enjoyed a MMorpg that doesnt use the cheap way of senseless exp treadmill reset O.O

its not more like a filler.



tons of filler quests that are boring as hell: and obviously there for filler purposes. seriously who isnt skipping the standard quest textboxes?

its just running from exclamation mark to the next marker on the map to kill 2 trash mob goblins.. which i already had hundreds of times ago with different mob types. wohoo.. "how fun"..

THIS should be FUN??

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sigh. i played daoc for a long time myself. was my first mmo. you are basicly argueing a wall here mate.
i tryed that myself for years. but the matter of fact is WOW did a bad thing to mmos back then. blizzard made nearly all new age mmo players think that each addon NEEDS to reset everything and raise max level every time.

hence why you see so many players wanting it. since many of em think its NORMAL. while in fact its the lazyiest method of progression any dev team could come up with since its nothing more than a reset that creates the ILLUSION of progression. it also leads to abillity bloat over time.

i am not a big fan of leveling myself i CAN deal with it if it doesnt happen too often and to fast (looking at you LOTRO) since if it happens every 12 months there is basicly no point on getting endgame gear which will be obsolte within a day after the next cap raise.

can aswell quit and rejoin game later. no point staying on such a game over the long run after you reached current max.

the matter of fact is most modern players have NEVER experiencd how GOOD an mmo without a cap raise CAN be. daoc proved this many times. even tough its too old now it was FUN for over 5 years for me and the max level was ALWAYS 50 even after 6? (forgot how many) expansions which all adding tons of content without making the old content obsolete like most modern mmos do it. and this is mainly why many new players of the past 5 years dont get why level cap raises are boring progression wise.

and since it works and SELLS the industry wont stop doing it. the only question is when will the next lvl cap 70 arrive. if its already next year then i am likely to leave this game since thats just to fast i say.

yes some people ENJOY the level procress. others dont. the sad fact is that nearly 90% of mmos these days force you to the cap raise. choices are very few sadly.

The leveling experience could be better than what it currently is I admit, more focus on party play could help but overall the leveling phase as it's own sense of fun to it, plus getting new toys for each class is great too.
Leveling phase and caps are fine, how the leveling phase currently is could be changed but otherwise it works fine.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

The cap stayed at 75 for a LOOOOONG time. All the way through CoP, ToAU, and WotG. I expect the same will happen with FFXIV. We might even stay at 60 next expansion.

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Part of the reason they got away with the lv75 cap for as long as they did was in part because gear swaps allowed them to implement infinite sidegrades (at the cost of job balance). The other half is because the devs didn't want to deal with the issues the subjob system would create if they increased the level cap past a certain point. hence why it was raised at what was supposed to be XI's last hurrah (Abyssea).

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Originally Posted by Dorfentyme

I shouldn't have to say it, but I will: FFXI and FFXIV are 2 completely different games. Remember in FFXI you had to call for help to have someone kill a mob for you? Yeah, I guess because that was in FFXI that means it may eventually happen in FFXIV one day.

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I shouldn't have to say it, but I will: FFXIV borrows a LOT from FFXI, especially the pattern in which they release content, etc. Not to mention they've copied, not based off... copy-pasted, a lot of assets like monsters. Even the armory system is a lot like the Subjob system in FFXI.

Sorry, but SE has an established "rhythm" to it that is easily seen between not only FFXI and FFXIV, but all it's games.

I don't have a problem with leveling up...

I have a bit of beef with power creep taking over, and more than doubling our stats in 10 levels from 2.0 to now, and it's going to grow within the Xpac, but I respect their efforts to curb the effect through level, and ilvl synch.

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Originally Posted by Windklinge

sigh. i played daoc for a long time myself. was my first mmo. you are basicly argueing a wall here mate.
i tryed that myself for years. but the matter of fact is WOW did a bad thing to mmos back then. blizzard made nearly all new age mmo players think that each addon NEEDS to reset everything and raise max level every time.

hence why you see so many players wanting it. since many of em think its NORMAL. while in fact its the lazyiest method of progression any dev team could come up with since its nothing more than a reset that creates the ILLUSION of progression. it also leads to abillity bloat over time.

i am not a big fan of leveling myself i CAN deal with it if it doesnt happen too often and to fast (looking at you LOTRO) since if it happens every 12 months there is basicly no point on getting endgame gear which will be obsolte within a day after the next cap raise.

can aswell quit and rejoin game later. no point staying on such a game over the long run after you reached current max.

the matter of fact is most modern players have NEVER experiencd how GOOD an mmo without a cap raise CAN be. daoc proved this many times. even tough its too old now it was FUN for over 5 years for me and the max level was ALWAYS 50 even after 6? (forgot how many) expansions which all adding tons of content without making the old content obsolete like most modern mmos do it. and this is mainly why many new players of the past 5 years dont get why level cap raises are boring progression wise.

and since it works and SELLS the industry wont stop doing it. the only question is when will the next lvl cap 70 arrive. if its already next year then i am likely to leave this game since thats just to fast i say.

yes some people ENJOY the level procress. others dont. the sad fact is that nearly 90% of mmos these days force you to the cap raise. choices are very few sadly.

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Wow thanks for saying that, thats mostly what i feel like. but dont dare to. they coming after you very soon O.o

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Originally Posted by VargasVermillion

The leveling experience could be better than what it currently is I admit

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Thats what i feel like, its almost the same formula as in ARR. often very similiar quests. purple areas 2 mobs spawn -> kill these trash mobs, do it 3 times over and return. FATE's seem no difference too.

Would be cool if they implemented more innovative stuff than this. but i see that they have to rush through the development to give us an expansion so soon.

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more focus on party play could help but overall, plus getting new toys for each class is great too.
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thats what i think too. im bored of these WoW'ish solo quest grind. solo quests are cool, if you have less time. but it is so.. eh.. nothing new.. it feels outmoded to me. and not just for me... for the press (gaming magazines), too.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

I shouldn't have to say it, but I will: FFXIV borrows a LOT from FFXI, especially the pattern in which they release content, etc. Not to mention they've copied, not based off... copy-pasted, a lot of assets like monsters. Even the armory system is a lot like the Subjob system in FFXI.

Sorry, but SE has an established "rhythm" to it that is easily seen between not only FFXI and FFXIV, but all it's games.

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You don't play Final Fantasy much do you? Literally EVERY SINGLE ONE " Not to mention they've copied, not based off... copy-pasted, a lot of assets like monsters. " has done this.

And the armory system is like several FF games.

I loved XI but you are comparing a EQ era MMO to a post WoW apocolypse era MMO on steroids. They reset gear every single patch you really thing they are going to stall out for multiple expansions

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Originally Posted by Windklinge

but the matter of fact is WOW did a bad thing to mmos back then. blizzard made nearly all new age mmo players think that each addon NEEDS to reset everything and raise max level every time. .

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WoW is the worst thing to happen to MMOs bar none. Quote in my sig sums it up nicely.

The homogenization of game genres is unbelievable. People play a MMO (note the middle M being MULTIPLAYER) and demand the capability to solo their way through the whole game. That is what they made solo player games for.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

I loved XI but you are comparing a EQ era MMO to a post WoW apocolypse era MMO on steroids. They reset gear every single patch you really thing they are going to stall out for multiple expansions

WoW is the worst thing to happen to MMOs bar none. Quote in my sig sums it up nicely.

The homogenization of game genres is unbelievable. People play a MMO (note the middle M being MULTIPLAYER) and demand the capability to solo their way through the whole game. That is what they made solo player games for.

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I agree 100%. What we need is everything great from the 2.0 era spiced with something unique, or perhaps something nostalgic, and a few steps more in the sandbox direction. Companies are very scared to take such a huge risk these days with unique mechanics, but sooner or later someone is going to break the WoW mold and I pray SE achieves that.

Fact is, vertical progression = longevity. Perhaps somewhat superficially, yet it succeeds far more in keeping people on the game than horizontal progression does. My brother played DAoC for less than a half year for that. TSW is showing signs of potentially going under because of that (both are EA games too... I mean, I like TSW, but not for the gameplay, like at all. So I can't imagine DAoC being any better, and it's more a month than FFXIV? All kinds of no thank you). FFXI was going to go that direction too until they introduced Abyssea, and now has been expanded even more.

I would be disappointed if what I enjoy - leveling and gearing - is only on side classes. Having it as an option is nice, and gives more to do when I hit the caps, yet if it was the only option then I doubt I'd stay much longer in FFXIV.

Ability bloat is a concern, but the current abilities added were to further define the jobs. I bet this will slow down significantly for future xpacs.

First off FFVIII was amazing! The gun guys LB was bad ass, Trick Shot. Wished machinist got that.
2nd...I love leveling and we have lots of time to play this expansion so we need lots do to. I have not even touch my crafters yet aside from making my food and potions for raiding. Damn there is so much to do now, that is why we are playing an MMO right, to have lots to do in one game and not really have to play anything else.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

I come from a MMorpg like Dark Age of Camelot which never increased its level cap in 10 years... it implemented content like champion levels where you had to defeat several boss encounters.. artifact weapons which could be farmed in complex open world encounters etc.

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This reminds me of Chrono Cross. I liked that after each boss you gained a level. Fighting in between would grant you some stats that would count in the end if you were trying to max stats. This system ends up being like the limit break system in FFXI (which were have with trial/dungeon lock clears).

I would be interested in such a system as well where levels were connected to content clears versus a filling of an artificial meter.