Ranged DPS dominating Slaughter Mode

The ranged have an advantage right now since they hide within the herd of 24 people. Once they nerf ranged to shit, ranged will be horrible in 8v8v8 or any secure match. I hope the change is just to the lb duration, and maybe some map mechanic changes that prevent the herding.

That being said, there is nothing that can stop a meele from lbing you dead either. They can just gap closer in, do a couple dps moves, stun, and lb. People that are saying they are getting stunned aren't doing it fast enough.

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

The ranged have an advantage right now since they hide within the herd of 24 people. Once they nerf ranged to shit, ranged will be horrible in 8v8v8 or any secure match. I hope the change is just to the lb duration, and maybe some map mechanic changes that prevent the herding.

That being said, there is nothing that can stop a meele from lbing you dead either. They can just gap closer in, do a couple dps moves, stun, and lb. People that are saying they are getting stunned aren't doing it fast enough.

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Yes, this is def. one time where as a playerbase we should be asking for changes to be made to the actual battle/battlefield itself over asking for 'job nerfs' Because almost any 'nerf' they can come up with, will completely butcher ranged roles for the other 2 styles of PvP (the den and secure). What's actually imbalanced is the battlefield/scoring.

Ideas to fix the battlefield:
1. Make outer nodes spawn more than once. And/or randomize where they spawn but only spawn 1-2 at a time. So instead of it being predictable at x time or after x node go here...now people will have to pay attention to the map and use the teles to get around effeciently. Basically, make it make sense for people to spread out.
2. Make the PvE nodes target more often players with 'battle high'. Also, maybe consider making the large Heliodrome node do something aside from it's pulse to make healers/ranged have to move/dodge/or in some way deal with it like melee are currently foreced to do.
3. Fix how battle-high is earned for Tanks and Healers....seriously, you took a majority of healers 'dps tools' away from them in PvP but now have a system that basically says 'do damage or don't get the bonus' Seems illogical.
4. There was already a dev response on Comidore, but yeah that needs a bit of a delay.

Why would what goes on in Slaughter affect what goes on in Secure? If all that needs to change is the Cometor LB, then...

Make it a real slaughter fest, give melee a just a fast, AOE Limitbreak.

I feel like the adjustment will rebalance Slughter mode unblancing the Secure and the WD again :/
Like the CS removal that was "fine" for Frontline but really un-necessary for WD.

BLM in a 72 man fight can rule hard because Flare is a long cast spell but (with astral fire buff) it become of the most powerful attack, and yes it's an AoE attack.
In all that chaos is really hard to understand who is flaring who.
Up to me this is a problem :/
Cometeor is dodgable if you aren't in a crowded area (mid I can't dodge even Drones attack, I don't know if it is only my problem)

Another issue up to me is that the damage dealt with Adrenaline rush recharge adrenaline rush o.O

Cometeor hits me all the time, because there is a major delay while 72 ppl are in mid tho.

Anyway I hardly agree that Slaugher is only DPS focused, my main is Healer, but I try to join always as DPS because of the nature of the fight.

As someone suggested I hope they change how roles get Battle High/Fever but I have 2 options:

1. The Healers and Tanks get buff that enhance their main role (Damage reduction, HP for tanks and Healing potency and MP or Spellspeed for healers)

2. The Healers and the tanks get a massive DPS advantages (like doubling the INT of healer or halving the tanks "recast time" of their skills), and to be hones I prefere it, so even them can take part in the slaughter mode in the slaughter way :D

In any case how they get Battle high or battle fever should be adjusted.
For healers for example it could be fine if they have to reach a threshold of HP healed (overheal didn't take part of the count), once reached they gain Battle high/ fever.
For tanks... I don't know :/
Maybe lowering to 3 and 6 the threshould for battle high/fever?

8vs8vs8 that has happened sometimes is much better; in both Slaughter and Secure.

Slaughters mobs should spawn randomly all over the map, not in the center periodically and the map should be a new maps that is smaller to accommodate for it.

We need a lot of help in PvP. New maps, better pvp types, more pvp ranks, pvp roulette to give PvP Exp & wolf marks, and a PvP stat that matters.

Imo, the root of the issue lies in the map. It is understandable for SE to reuse existing assets to save costs, but slaughter mode needs a map with different elevations, features and covers so all class types can have mobility and survivability options. It would also force the big blob to split up and allow for more strategic plays.

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Originally Posted by Maxwell

Imo, the root of the issue lies in the map. It is understandable for SE to reuse existing assets to save costs, but slaughter mode needs a map with different elevations, features and covers so all class types can have mobility and survivability options. It would also force the big blob to split up and allow for more strategic plays.

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Facts.
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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Greetings,

Thanks for the feedback regarding the new mode. We’ve been gathering your feedback and presenting it to the dev. team.

In regards specifically to Cometeor, we do want to let you know that we originally planned to have it set to the same speed as Skyshard, but we have confirmed that’s not the case and will be addressing this in an upcoming HotFix.

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Does this also mean it will be possible to dodge Cometeor? As it stands, you are hit regardless of what you do that's why. Note that my connection is fine, as all other AoE indicators respond perfectly and I have zero lag even during hectic battles. I'm assuming it's because of the very short cast time, and not because the area indicator is there just for show.

So... still no word on the stupid "Spell casts interrupted simply by being attacked" issue huh? Glad to see the dev team is really hitting those hot topics!!

Also, just to note, regardless of these Limit breaks; ranged are going to dominate any battleground where 72 people are fighting in close quarters. Ranged > melee. Common sense folks.
Amazing how one person who isn't even good at pvp whines about dieing as a melee in a 72 man battleground; gets their way and makes caster get a nerf. God forbid caster is viable in any pvp situation.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

Does this also mean it will be possible to dodge Cometeor? As it stands, you are hit regardless of what you do that's why. Note that my connection is fine, as all other AoE indicators respond perfectly and I have zero lag even during hectic battles. I'm assuming it's because of the very short cast time, and not because the area indicator is there just for show.

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its just the lag of having 72 players stacked in one spot. What you see isn't whats happening. many time my cometeor don't deal damage to people that are clearly inside it

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Originally Posted by Eibon

So... still no word on the stupid "Spell casts interrupted simply by being attacked" issue huh? Glad to see the dev team is really hitting those hot topics!!

Also, just to note, regardless of these Limit breaks; ranged are going to dominate any battleground where 72 people are fighting in close quarters. Ranged > melee. Common sense folks.
Amazing how one person who isn't even good at pvp whines about dieing as a melee in a 72 man battleground; gets their way and makes caster get a nerf. God forbid caster is viable in any pvp situation.

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really?? any1 can see slaughter mode is really imbalanced atm just look at the scoreboard at the end.. yay lets all just level n play a blm n just use sleep + lb for easy kills lacking any pvp talent whatsoever :P

and fyi i havent been killed by blm lb yet but even i can see how op n imbalanced it is ffs

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

Does this also mean it will be possible to dodge Cometeor? As it stands, you are hit regardless of what you do that's why. Note that my connection is fine, as all other AoE indicators respond perfectly and I have zero lag even during hectic battles. I'm assuming it's because of the very short cast time, and not because the area indicator is there just for show.

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Yep, same thing happens to me. I can never dodge it. At first I thought it was me. But quite a few times I watched the casters casting bar. I move out the way when its 25% complete and I still get hit. lol

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Originally Posted by hallena

its just the lag of having 72 players stacked in one spot. What you see isn't whats happening. many time my cometeor don't deal damage to people that are clearly inside it

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Is it? I mean the heals I throw out register perfectly and on time even during Cometeor. In that case, I think it's a problem exclusively to Cometeor IMO, other lag is your usual thing. I have noticed that the damage impact from it is delayed though (might be related to what Grekumah was referring to about intended cast time). I normally don't see Cometeor damage until after 1 sec after the animation hits, mind that again, I can still heal people before/during/after it does.

we need a more big Mid & Patch for range of Mage's ADRENALINE...

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Originally Posted by Eibon

So... still no word on the stupid "Spell casts interrupted simply by being attacked" issue huh? Glad to see the dev team is really hitting those hot topics!!

Also, just to note, regardless of these Limit breaks; ranged are going to dominate any battleground where 72 people are fighting in close quarters. Ranged > melee. Common sense folks.
Amazing how one person who isn't even good at pvp whines about dieing as a melee in a 72 man battleground; gets their way and makes caster get a nerf. God forbid caster is viable in any pvp situation.

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About Eibon
Starting City-State: Ul'dah
Class / Level: 50 Black Mage

No wonder you don't see a problem with it.

Just make it Comet... Single Target... Massive ranged LB just like melee but ranged and based on magic. There... done. The AoE is the reason you see their damage so high... that and they nearly never miss... and if they do get kills... it fills their adrenalin so they can spam it if they get lucky enough to get kills.

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Originally Posted by DividedSky

Just make it Comet... Single Target... Massive ranged LB just like melee but ranged and based on magic. There... done. The AoE is the reason you see their damage so high... that and they nearly never miss... and if they do get kills... it fills their adrenalin so they can spam it if they get lucky enough to get kills.

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this would work i agree make it single target would solve alot of problems in slaughter

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Originally Posted by TetsuyaHikari

About Eibon
Starting City-State: Ul'dah
Class / Level: 50 Black Mage

No wonder you don't see a problem with it.

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as some1 stated few pages back those it benefits dont see a problem with it.. bet u anything if it was melee with hugely imbalanced LB he/she would be screaming for a fix lol

"Casters are now Invulnerable when using their personal Limit Breaks. Damage of personal LB has been increased fifty fold, and area of effect has increased to hit the entire map."
"All other LBs have been removed."

Meele LB is hella good. It's a free kill on any person with battle high. Ninja hide, sneak up, stun, LB, free kill. Nothing the opponent can do skill wise to dodge it with the stun in play, and the server lag makes it hard to dodge even without the stun.

Not saying cometeor isn't broken, but there is very little skill in the LB play for meeles too.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Greetings,

Thanks for the feedback regarding the new mode. We’ve been gathering your feedback and presenting it to the dev. team.

In regards specifically to Cometeor, we do want to let you know that we originally planned to have it set to the same speed as Skyshard, but we have confirmed that’s not the case and will be addressing this in an upcoming HotFix.

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awwe but as a none mage i like that move, i see it casting wait for it to hit then mop up the victims lol

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

as some1 stated few pages back those it benefits dont see a problem with it.. bet u anything if it was melee with hugely imbalanced LB he/she would be screaming for a fix lol

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Exactly, lol. Hell, to be honest, if I played a BLM, I wouldn't be asking for a fix for this either. I'd rack up as many wins as I could before the hotfix. That's just how people are though.

If it's not affecting them in a negative manner, they don't see an issue with it. It's no different than picking a top tier character in a fighting game despite knowing there is a balance coming in a revision in the future. How many people are honestly going to go back to playing a mid tier or low tier character if they just found out the character they're currently playing can get them easy wins with minimal effort?

I look forward to the fix so we can attempt to have a somewhat balanced experience rather than how it is now where Slaughter is basically BLM vs BLM and seeing who can sleep + nuke the other team first to win.

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Originally Posted by TetsuyaHikari

Exactly, lol. Hell, to be honest, if I played a BLM, I wouldn't be asking for a fix for this either. I'd rack up as many wins as I could before the hotfix. That's just how people are though.

If it's not affecting them in a negative manner, they don't see an issue with it. It's no different than picking a top tier character in a fighting game despite knowing there is a balance coming in a revision in the future. How many people are honestly going to go back to playing a mid tier or low tier character if they just found out the character they're currently playing can get them easy wins with minimal effort?

I look forward to the fix so we can attempt to have a somewhat balanced experience rather than how it is now where Slaughter is basically BLM vs BLM and seeing who can sleep + nuke the other team first to win.

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exactly = dull n boring thats why i stopped going til its fixed lol

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

as some1 stated few pages back those it benefits dont see a problem with it.. bet u anything if it was melee with hugely imbalanced LB he/she would be screaming for a fix lol

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Wasn't that comment meant for melee considering how OP they are in PvP? Melee does have an imbalanced LB. I'm required to wear tank accessories to live through one melee player using a LB on me. So I'm gimping my entire team's healing because one Ninja might get close enough to pop a LB on me. But let's just forget about that and cry about how tough melee has it some more.

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

Wasn't that comment meant for melee considering how OP they are in PvP? Melee does have an imbalanced LB. I'm required to wear tank accessories to live through one melee player using a LB on me. So I'm gimping my entire team's healing because one Ninja might get close enough to pop a LB on me. But let's just forget about that and cry about how tough melee has it some more.

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2 melee LBing two targets at the same time can kill 2 people, 2 mages LBing at the same time can kill parties from a safe distance. There's a lot more risk to a melee class, currently in slaughter there's a high risk low reward for melee while for casters it's a low risk high reward. The reason the casters are currently as strong as they are is due to standing in a big group of people being protected from melees, the only one able to counter a mage is a bard.

Also cast a stoneskin on you and have someone close that can stun, like a PLD and you'll be safe, as a melee I never cast LB on a full HP target as most of the time it is not enough, also as a healer if you're not killed in one shot you'll just heal yourself with benediction and the melee will be slaughtered, learn how to utilize your class and you'll see a difference.

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Originally Posted by Krindor

poo

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dont bother wasting your time on giving him advice. its like he stepped into one game of Slaughter, got absolutely wrecked, and never set foot in it again. if you have to point out things like fucking Stoneskin when he is a healer, then I dont even know anymore.

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

Wasn't that comment meant for melee considering how OP they are in PvP? Melee does have an imbalanced LB. I'm required to wear tank accessories to live through one melee player using a LB on me. So I'm gimping my entire team's healing because one Ninja might get close enough to pop a LB on me. But let's just forget about that and cry about how tough melee has it some more.

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Are you kidding me? Are you whining about getting ganked by a Ninja? A NINJA. NINJA. NINJA.

This thread is giving me AIDS.

The only one imballance is COMETEOR the dev already said they're going to adjust it. It is what's causin the high damage and high kills. Its being fixed soon. End of discussion.

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

Wasn't that comment meant for melee considering how OP they are in PvP? Melee does have an imbalanced LB. I'm required to wear tank accessories to live through one melee player using a LB on me. So I'm gimping my entire team's healing because one Ninja might get close enough to pop a LB on me. But let's just forget about that and cry about how tough melee has it some more.

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i dont play melee and they arent that hard to kill as bard.. kiting tanks n ninjas around til they drop dead is funny as hell but we are talking about the imbalance with blm atm not anything else :3

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

Wasn't that comment meant for melee considering how OP they are in PvP? Melee does have an imbalanced LB. I'm required to wear tank accessories to live through one melee player using a LB on me. So I'm gimping my entire team's healing because one Ninja might get close enough to pop a LB on me. But let's just forget about that and cry about how tough melee has it some more.

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melee LB supposed to work like that in Secure mode, as it uses the LB bar of the whole party. If a single target LB can't kill anyone, why bother wasting everyone's LB for it?

you're viewing things from your healer point of view and don't understand PvP in general. how can a healer be killed if melee LB doesn't do that much damage? newbie healers, maybe, but what about experienced healers?

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Originally Posted by yuixjfa

Are you kidding me? Are you whining about getting ganked by a Ninja? A NINJA. NINJA. NINJA.

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Do you have any idea how powerful stealth is in PvP? Do you know anything?

Also, Stoneskin is extremely valuable in PvP and is required to be kept up on casters at all times but certainly not for the little bit of extra defense it provides...

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Originally Posted by Krindor

2 melee LBing two targets at the same time can kill 2 people, 2 mages LBing at the same time can kill parties from a safe distance. There's a lot more risk to a melee class, currently in slaughter there's a high risk low reward for melee while for casters it's a low risk high reward. The reason the casters are currently as strong as they are is due to standing in a big group of people being protected from melees, the only one able to counter a mage is a bard.

Also cast a stoneskin on you and have someone close that can stun, like a PLD and you'll be safe, as a melee I never cast LB on a full HP target as most of the time it is not enough, also as a healer if you're not killed in one shot you'll just heal yourself with benediction and the melee will be slaughtered, learn how to utilize your class and you'll see a difference.

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Learn how not to make your argument based on one spell with a FIVE MINUTE COOLDOWN! And yes, when you're just over 3k health a melee can pretty much one shot you. But thank you for telling me what to do IF I survive.

So to sum it up, a melee LB is not OP because it requires:
1. the best heal in the game with a 5 minute cooldown
2. a bodyguard that does practically nothing but wait by me to stun ninja's coming out of stealth
3. at least 4 slots of vitality gear that is completely useless to me except for one stat.

Also, it takes one buffed Medica II to heal through a caster's LB. (FYI, Medica II does not have a 5 minute cooldown). I've seen people killed by server lag the last few days. But it's certainly not because the LB is that strong.

Did I just fall for a troll? I seriously can’t believe you just advised me to cast Stoneskin on myself… Maybe I should put that on my hotbar. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Atreus

The more I think about it, the more I think the real issue with Slaughter is three teams at the top.

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This! When i saw those patchnotes firstime i tought this would play slightly like those MOBA's with their buff monsters, too bad there is just one set of them in whole match and even that gets ingnored buy team A and C most of time. Ranged dont need to be nerfed or anything if we are forced to spread more often, current meta seems to be "screw the sides and frag in middle till it ends" most of the time and that gets boring really fast.

Mid combat is not overwhelming when you add a little organization and assignment allocating.

The problem is the content is new; base guidelines/assignments per party/player-role have not yet been written in stone, so people just run around dpsing at random hoping to just steal a kill here or there.

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

Wasn't that comment meant for melee considering how OP they are in PvP? Melee does have an imbalanced LB. I'm required to wear tank accessories to live through one melee player using a LB on me. So I'm gimping my entire team's healing because one Ninja might get close enough to pop a LB on me. But let's just forget about that and cry about how tough melee has it some more.

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You clearly have never stepped in the Den, ever. There is a reason why its set to 1 RANGED and 1 melee dps. Melee OP,the delusion is too real. If melee LB one-shot people i would agree (a lil bit) but it does NOT. You don't need Stoneskin or Vit gear to survive, and you have more then enough time to heal yourself after a melee fails to kill you due to animation lock. All you have to do is fluid aura them because even Stun -> LB doesn't kill (solo).

How is a healer making an argument about 'DPS' issues btw?

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Originally Posted by Houston009

You clearly have never stepped in the Den, ever. There is a reason why its set to 1 RANGED and 1 melee dps. Melee OP,the delusion is too real. If melee LB one-shot people i would agree (a lil bit) but it does NOT. You don't need Stoneskin or Vit gear to survive, and you have more then enough time to heal yourself after a melee fails to kill you due to animation lock. All you have to do is fluid aura them because even Stun -> LB doesn't kill (solo).

How is a healer making an argument about 'DPS' issues btw?

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Den was fairly exhausting. I had to run in a circle around a wall avoiding melee until the melee on my team killed their healer. So what were you saying about melee again?

I can assure you healers need vitality gear to survive. I'm not going to bother replying to the rest of that foolishness.

As a healer, I am the one being targeted by melee and caster DPS for the entire match. Melee hurt, interrupt everything, stun me, and have enough defense to avoid being peeled. Casters don't interrupt me, have cast times, easily peeled, and their LB's are marked on the freaking ground before they even hit.

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

As a healer, I am the one being targeted by melee and caster DPS for the entire match. Melee hurt, interrupt everything, stun me, and have enough defense to avoid being peeled. Casters don't interrupt me, have cast times, easily peeled, and their LB's are marked on the freaking ground before they even hit.

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so that's why you hate melees? :D

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Originally Posted by Evangela

so that's why you hate melees? :D

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I don't hate anyone. But a blatantly OP archetype asking for nerfs when using suicide tactics just drives me crazy. Just how dominant do you guys need to be to win?