Yoshi P, please use future development time on content other than Hildibrand.

I would love to see SE continue to make Hildibrand questlines, or something similar if they decide to put him in retirement after this patch. It's a great diversion from the general serious tone of this game.

However, that being said:

I do agree with the point that it shouldn't have been part of Trial Roulette, because to some people (not me), that does take the "optional" out of the questline. If something is designated as purely side-story, then it should stay that way. For example, I have a good friend who recently returned to the game, and she asked me how to unlock her Trial Roulette again. When I told her she had to do Hildibrand quests, she immediately said NOPE! Apparently, she does not like humor that is centered around the protagonist being an imbecile.

(I'm gonna give her so much crap if access to Manderville Gold Saucer requires full Hildibrand storyline completion. She said she would do the quests then, but she'd complain every step of the way.)

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Savage Second Coil failed. It had no real reward, so no one ran it.s

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Thus proving everyone who talks about wanting a "real challenge" is a liar.

Back on Topic, More Hildebrand! Less Raiding!

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Originally Posted by Titor

I just do not like that the hildi quests lock trial roulette. If they were truely optional that would be ok but I do not like them personally so just speed through them to unlock the trial roulette

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but you are ok with Main Scenario being manditory

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but you are ok with Main Scenario being manditory

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Actually not really. I wrote the following a few days ago on a non-official server forum:
"I kind of hope they drop the MSQ requirement to unlock things all together. I really want to level another alt, and I have no issue grinding it up through fates or dungeons or anything, but the MSQ was not very fun for me the first time, I really, really, really do not want to do it a second time. If they remove the MSQ restriction to unlock pre-50 stuff (with the option to follow it if you so choose) that would be really nice. You would just automatically unlock dungeons at the appropriate level or whatnot.

If they keep adding and adding and adding to the MSQ, new players and players who want to play alts are going to get really discouraged from making a new character due to the 322+ required quests to actually be able to get anything unlocked."

Heaven forbid most people find the Hildebrand quest line FUN. ...and people want to have fun playing a game. What a concept.

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Welcome in a final fantasy. Let me be your guide.

I only did the questline to unlock trials. After watching the first two cutscenes, I quickly learned it wasn't to my liking and have skipped every one since.

/disagree

We need more of the Manderville Men please!!!

Hildies soo awesome he should have his own game.

Final Fantasy Hildibrand.

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Originally Posted by Osias_Qol

Godbert comes off much like FMA's Alex Armstrong to me.

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They follow a trope
They have the whole gentle giant thing going on. Big dudes with good intentions, slightly slower in the head, but so damn manly clothing can not contain them. They are proud of there bodies!
When push comes to shove though that gentle side vanishes and out comes the beast.

Usually the sexuality is intentionally left ambiguous but Godbert is a little less questionable because he has a son and a wife.

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i approve of this post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6HM9QXnVdk

Hildibrand is love Hildibrand is life.

Possibly the only real side quest I actually enjoy out of the sea of other monotonous side quests.

OP should have left it at the tittle. Some of us don't care for the quest line and would rather see it go to something else. That seems like a reasonable request honestly if you are unhappy with the quest line. Tying it to savage coil is just asking for a troll fest though.

I (and what I have gathered other hildy dislike-ers) would like to see:

*disconnect the quest line from trial roulette (and not tied to golden saucer if it is planned that way). If it's optional make it optional like coil. It's billed as a fun optional quest. I don't see a Mog mailman boss fight in my roulette, or twintania in my roulette. Leave optional as optional.


I personally would rather see the quests dropped all together and develop something else. Not savage, but content with replay value. I generally don't care for seeing dev time go to 1 off things. You do hildy once and never again. A new gameplay system you do forever. Choco racing, hunts, gardening, crafting, pvp, housing, etc. They are largely perpetual. You do them, revisit them, over and over for months or years. That is dev time we'll spent. Not on another 10 fetch quests you do once, watch a cut scene (or even skip it) and forget about it for the next 5 years.

If I want a 1 time entertainment experience I'll go to the movies. I play MMOs for perpetual entertainment. These 1 off stories are generally an inefficient use of dev time imo.

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

Godbert is a little too manly to fall into American gay stereotypes, too, IMO. Maybe it stems from the quest in the storyline where you have to oil Godbert up. If you play a female character it's not gay, but if you play a male character it could be awkard if you forget that it's just a game. ;)

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Godbert is only a few chest hairs and a leather harness away from personifying at least one American gay stereotype.

Seriously, though, who even thinks to complain about things like this? I'll accept complaints about absurd, scantily clad men in this game as legit when the same people raise a stink over all the scantily clad females. Oh wait, they won't.

Idea! :D To reach out to both sides, the ones that love Hildy and the ones that want more perminent game play. How about a Hildibrand line of daily quests similar to beast tribe dailies. Players go out and assist the good Inspector solving smaller crimes plaguing the country not directly related to his main story?

Speaking as someone whose first actions after any update are to do the Postmoogle quests and the Hildibrand quests...

Keep 'em coming! Perhaps not the exact same quests, since anything done for too long can get old, but quests in the same vein, that flesh out the 'little people' in the world like the Mog Quests do, or that just add some fun and humor to the game and shows that not everything is a life and death struggle for the fate of the world. Hildy and the Moogles work for that because they're not tied so heavily into the main quest, so there's no dissonance like there would be if there was a quest involving (For example) helping Thancred get out of a disastrous affiancement after trying to outdrink Moenbryda again.

And now that we're getting the Gold Saucer soon, turn that into the 'optional' quest hub. Give us an office working under Hildibrand where we can take daily quests, as Aylis suggested.

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Idea! :D To reach out to both sides, the ones that love Hildy and the ones that want more perminent game play. How about a Hildibrand line of daily quests similar to beast tribe dailies. Players go out and assist the good Inspector solving smaller crimes plaguing the country not directly related to his main story?

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Idea! Make the crafting material reward from this, that is required to make new i110 accessories, and that can be obtained only this way. It fits the plot, because Godbert is a gsm. And you need to pass daily quest 8 times for 1 crafting attempt. Fun!

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

the forums are a place of exchange, you are free to post here something you might deem more worthy of the devs' resources than hildibrand. Yet you didn't in any of your posts, so I wonder why you keep on saying it could be allocated elsewhere.

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OP makes it pretty clear this thread is about additional raid-level content.

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Originally Posted by AyrJordan

I think the inclusion of classic FF references in such a poorly written, poorly thought out event is a bastardization of the characters many of us hold dear.

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What are you talking about? Gilgamesh has always been a sort of clutzy personality wise character and Ultros has always been a hands on pervert. What characters is SE tarnishing that you hold so high in regard?

As someone who has actually done/cleared Savage Coil I'd rather have Hildibrand...

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Originally Posted by Izsha

If I want a 1 time entertainment experience I'll go to the movies. I play MMOs for perpetual entertainment. These 1 off stories are generally an inefficient use of dev time imo.

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Guess you're not interested in the main storyline, the beastmen dailies storyline, class quest storylines, etc etc.

I understand people want perpetual content, but without stuff like the above mentioned it's just a Korean Grindfest MMO.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

At the very least push hildebrand to 100% optional content like the moogle mail quests. It was annoying to skip through all those cutscenes to re-unlock trial roulette, twice. Of course, we're likely going to have to suffer through another dozen quests to unlock the golden saucer.

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you seem to be forgetting that trial roulette is also completely optional content thus making your argument null and void.
and also Gold Saucer being named "Manderville Gold Saucer" is a pretty big giveaway. it is likely tied to the Hildibraind story and again is something else that is guess what? `GASP!` oh yes that's right completely optional.

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See this right here is the reason I can't stand the scions. I don't care how they get to this point. It's not excusable. This is the 2 nd time she's been captured, the trailer already reveals the headquarters gets attack again.

The main scenario's story doesn't make me feel powerful at all, it just makes me feel like I am the only competent person among morons. Seeing this part, her captured again killed the 2.5 trailer for me. Let me let her die or something. I am sick and tired of helping these people, let me go somewhere else and do something. The grand company leaders and the scions don't deserve my help and I wish I had the option to not do anything. That would make it far more interesting than the shitty main scenario is right now.

You know it's bad when Minfilia declared her intention to do something herself for once and was met with a chorus of "Are you sure that's wise?"

Clearly even the other NPCs know better than to let this woman out in public without her keepers.

Minfilia: "Oh dear, there's a crack in this bathroom tile..."

Yshtola: /target Minfilia. /ac Adloquium. "Mind your step...you helpless bitch."

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See this right here is the reason I can't stand the scions. I don't care how they get to this point. It's not excusable. This is the 2 nd time she's been captured.

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I'll add onto this comment.

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Originally Posted by KodiHivaer

As I've said in another thread, Minfilia changes absolutely nothing in the story line and does nothing (Except whine about how louisoix isn't around to solve her problems) has no "real" purpose to the story except for being a useless plot device, I enjoy characters with development, which she has absolutely none at all.
She's an overused plot device (And boy do I hate the damsel in distress plot device as they tend to be worthless characters)!

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I honestly would rather join the Ascians at this point or the Ishgardians.
I don't feel like a hero in the main storyline at all, just an errand boy and it angers me greatly that I have to go and save a useless character that had no purpose until now (And possibly after she is saved, she'll continue being useless).

I HATE characters like this, with a description like "Oh this character has a strong unyielding will, she'll do ANYTHING to help main hero", and then does jack sh*t throughout the entire game.
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^See this SE? STOP IT...

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This is why I love Yuigiri so much. She not only stands as the representative of her people, but she is strong, and reliable. It's a god damn shame she is wasted on the main scenario so far. She and Cid fight along side you, and bring a lot to the table. These two alone have done so much more than any of the other Main scenario NPCs.

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This is why I love Yuigiri so much. She not only stands as the representative of her people, but she is strong, and reliable. It's a god damn shame she is wasted on the main scenario so far. She and Cid fight along side you, and bring a lot to the table. These two alone have done so much more than any of the other Main scenario NPCs.

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Alphinaud also helps, heck he's brought three nations together, created his own GC by using the three city-states' finances and is currently in diplomatic/political negotiations with Ishgard, he's done more than the others (excluding Yugiri and Cid) as well.

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Alphinaud also helps, heck he's brought three nations together, created his own GC by using the three city-states' finances and is currently in diplomatic/political negotiations with Ishgard, he's done more than the others (excluding Yugiri and Cid) as well.

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I exclude him, because like Minfilia he is quick to give up in dire situations.

I also don't know his age, but he gets irritated way to easy. My example for this is with Aymeric. He kept a cool demeanor and kept leveled voice and explained how he would like to help, but couldn't be cause of his rank. While Alphinaud blew up like a child. Kind of a spit in my face with his remark about us being upset by doing trivial matters, and he goes and does that.

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I exclude him, because like Minfilia he is quick to give up in dire situations.

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I thought that was his sister xD

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I'll bite since WHS has not responded. It comes down to culture; this quest lines use humor and stereotypes that would make sense to people familiar with Japanese culture. The fact that Godbert walks around with little clothing, there's all that posturing and talk about being a gentleman, etc, could all be construed as homosexual to people who have not experienced it before. Personally, I came across this while reading the Oh My Goddess series, so while I am by far no expert in Japanese culture, I know enough to know Godbert is a sterotype. Maybe someone more immersed in the culture to speak.

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I found the content to be offensive because I was forced to complete it to re-unlock trial roulette. I have no objection to it being optional content though. Emphasis on optional.

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I also don't know his age, but he gets irritated way to easy.

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Well I just came in to reply to the thread in general, then I see this... and since Alphi's one of my faves, I just have to answer: canon lore says he's 16 - well, if we're about one year later in the story now, that'd make him 17. One of the anniversary stories gave that away. ^^ So yeah, he is, actually, still a child, in many ways.

That aside - I totally agree with OP in that I wouldn't mind not seeing Hildibrand again. Or, heck, I dunno, maybe just trim his appearances/quests a little? Totally in the minority here I suppose, but yeah, while I generally love all kinds of humour... I often feel Hildibrand is just out of place in the game there, and just makes me /facepalm all the time. More annoying than hilarious. (That and the fact that so many people still, after all this time, could not learn to even spell his name properly simply irks me.)

Savage Coil - yeah, that's probably not the best bet to re-allocate resources to, since it's just an isolated content. More rewards there? Definitely no. Devs said the only reason it was put in game was because some players wanted even more challenge, hence the title being the only reward for it. It was also explained that this Savage mode is basically the first, raw version of the dungeon, and the final iteration that makes it into the game is the watered down, edited one... To me, it doesn't sound like it needs more resources to get implemented, they just pop in the original, basically.

What I would not mind seeing instead of Hildibrand though, is for example a bit more insight into the NPCs lives. We work with them, we fight alongside them, we help each other, but we don't really know much about them, we don't have any actual relationship with them. Which is kinda weird. Small sidequests, maybe something like with beast tribes, to build up trust - would be nice to have.

Godbert (one of the best characters in the game) should have his own questline too, in parallel with Hildy. Augh.

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OP makes it pretty clear this thread is about additional raid-level content.

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OP made it clear that they want more useless content (in the sense 99.9% of the players will never ever touch it) to replace content almost 100% of people who have reached lv50 are doing every time (some because they feel forced to do it for whatever the reason is. Trial roulette is optional and by no means needed to get the weekly cap on tomes).

Asides that BS, you guys never gave any ideas (some said they were OK to keep it but remove it from roulette, but it's unrelated to your issue). So yeah, time to say something useful after the "this is garbage duh!"

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I'll disagree with you here. At least that makes them human, with their time to fail and their time to shine (even though I admit Minfillia has yet to shine, if she ever will).

On the contrary, our character is just the super-badass random god coming in, storming the place and going back as a hero, never failing, never doubting the righteousness of his deeds, never trying to understand more about him/herself... Nothing like a FF character imo. The scions are the FF main characters, while I feel more like the god hand who came to just solve everything because they keep getting that "game over" screen.

Coming from someone that hasn't even beaten NORMAL 2nd coil yet, I'd take more Hildibrand instead of a difficulty slider for content that's already way above me.

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I found the content to be offensive because I was forced to complete it to re-unlock trial roulette. I have no objection to it being optional content though. Emphasis on optional.

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Technically the Trial Roulette is optional as well because it's not necessary to use to complete the Main Scenario quests or to unlock any specific instance. Basically you found optional content offensive because you were "forced" to unlock an optional feature.

Savage Coil is how coil was, before they started balancing, so...no time was put into *developing* savage coil.
If there will be a savage final coil...it's already finished...before final coil was released (aside from some minor tweaks)

Also...3 new dungeons, WoD, Gold Saucer, hildi, main quest continues, i'm guessing new hairstyles, crafting recipes, etc....isn't enough for you? you expect expansion sized patches, every 3 month?
Make a list of all the things they added since 2.0, and compare that to hildi, and you'll see....hildi is a very small part of all the content.
Hildi content, does NOT exclude other content.
Excluding hildi, is NOT going to release patches, sooner.
Excluding hildi, is NOT going to add anything else, of particular interest...such as savage coil. It would just be some other side-quest.

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I personally would rather see the quests dropped all together and develop something else. Not savage, but content with replay value. I generally don't care for seeing dev time go to 1 off things. You do hildy once and never again. A new gameplay system you do forever. Choco racing, hunts, gardening, crafting, pvp, housing, etc. They are largely perpetual. You do them, revisit them, over and over for months or years. That is dev time we'll spent. Not on another 10 fetch quests you do once, watch a cut scene (or even skip it) and forget about it for the next 5 years...

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you think they can throw out new systems, in every patch, instead of Hildibrand? lol...
they generally do 3 dungeons, coil/CT, and side quest. if it isn't Hildibrand, it would be another side quest. so nothing would change.

Hildibrand quest is just like watching a couple episodes of an anime series. That's all. There's very little interactive gameplay beside the last trial of each episode. Even then, it doesn't have good replayability because it doesn't offer much of a challenge or incentive. The questline is a good addition in every patch and I welcome it but there is no reason people in this thread should use their love for Hildibrand as an excuse to denounce challenging raid content like savage coil.

Sure, I get that most players who chime in in this forum and this thread aren't hardcore endgame players, but saying that Savage coil mode was a failure and obsolete content just make you look dumb. It's by far the most unique and challenging raid that his game has to offer. Just because you haven't done it or you can't get people to run it with or it's just flat out too hard or there isn't any shiny trinkets for you, DOESN'T mean that it's useless content.

For example, think about any of the past Final Fantasy games you've played and let say that I come in and trash talk your favorite endgame superboss (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Superboss) and say how it's unnecessary to the game. Sure, not everyone who play Final Fantasy is gonna do every boss and every sidequest but do you like it when developer take out content because it's very difficult? You guys need to understand how you are devalue-ing the replayability of this game and stunt its growth by bashing legitimate content.

I have no problem with Savage coil being there. It's a "Put your money where your mouth is." instance. If people say they actually want a raid challenge, I'll point them at Savage. In addition, the Devs have said that Savage is the raw, un-adjusted coil dungeons. So Dev time for next Savage is minimal. Code a quest, drop dungeon in. Boom.

But taking away Hildi to make more content /like/ Savage coil? Nu uh. Wildstar is still here (I think) for those that want "HardCore Raider Only MMO"

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Hildibrand has exactly the same replayability as Savage Coil actually. You do it once, then you have the reward (story/pet for one, title for the other) and then have no other reason to ever do it again than because you want it.

In both case, replayability is non existent if you aren't willing to replay it. Not like dungeons or Ex trials who have relevant rewards to have replayability.

Bashing Savage Coil serves nothing (but on the other hand, noone here really bashed savage coil tbh, they just said it shouldn't be considered of utmost priority over mass appealing content), but bashing hildibrand serves nothing as well

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Sorry to disagree but Savage Coil replayability can't be compared with Hildibrand. It is more akin to other coil and raids like primal ex. People are still running it after a year into the release because they have a multitude of reasons (light farming, lore unlocks) and tangible rewards (gear upgrade/glamor, crafting mats). Now most people who are going into savage don't really care for those things and are in it for the challenge and the shot at the title but that does not reduce its replayability once they have cleared it once. Especially with the new ilvl and upgrades, more people are encouraged to try Savage now since it allow your team to emphasize more on the mechanic than the damage check. With Savage Coil or even normal Coil and ex primal, people who love a hard challenge will go back and do it with their friends solely because they want to polish their skill and master the fight, much like people who play DDR on max difficulty don't just quit once they clear a song once.

With Hildibrand, the only reason I can think of why most people would replay it is to farm the Ultros minion or rewatch the cutscenes at their inn once in a while. Hildebrand and Savage Coil are two completely different types of content that can't be compared in the first place. Raids in MMO are designed with high replayability and story sidequests are just the icing on the cake to the make the game world feel alive and enrich the lore.

The OP made a silly attempt to downplay Hildebrand's success and the people that misjudge Savage Coil is just as bad.

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The OP made a silly attempt to downplay Hildebrand's success and the people that misjudge Savage Coil is just as bad.

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On the other hand, you are over playing Savage Coil's success. I know quite a few hardcore players/FCs on my server and I'm actually incredibly shocked how few of them have touched Savage Coil. When I've asked them about it most of them simply say, "It's not worth it." I personally only know one group of people that have actually run it and they only ran it once for the titles and haven't touched it since.

While you're right that by it's very design and nature Savage Coil has more replayabilty because you can run it over and over again on the same character. On the other hand Hildibrand offers replayability in the fact that several of my friends have created alts just so that they could run those quests again.