If SE put up one server of final fantasy 14 1.0 would you go back?

I feel like this would be equivalent to finding an old Furby in a closest and putting new batteries into it. It gives that warm feeling see an old toy come to life and remembering all the good ol' days of trying to teach it how to speak.

Then an hour 5 seconds later your yelling at it and threatening it with a shotgun for being the annoying piece of junk it really is.

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I also remember the huge list they posted in the beta forums showing a lot of content to come, which most took as would be in at release. Yet what we got at release was the same as what was beta.

Only one thing I'd like to see return from 1.0 is the graphics for the gear. No, as I call it, stairs on texture, edges were smooth as butter.

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I never seen SE post anything that resembled a list of content to be in 1.0 release during the beta. the only thing close to that was the email
we got in alpha that say there was two battle systems that we would test. we only got to test one of them because it took three tests just to get the
servers stable enough to test on, then Beta started. The only time list of content were spoken of is after 1.0's release, after Tanaka got fired and Yoshi took over.
Tanaka not talking to the English players was our biggest gripe during 1.0 alpha / beta.

Heck yes, I'd go back, at least to finish what story I couldn't do at the time. It depends how far back we'd be going, 1.23 was a blast, but I was playing before that so eeeh. Played even after Saves Day, but I got bummed out because nobody was on anymore, since progression wasn't saved. Gungnir was so empty and it was sad, but I still did things, right up til the last day it was up.
oooh, but that original thm though, I wouldn't mind going far enough back to fiddle with that again. I miss it so much, and I didn't even get far with it before it became baby Black Mage. *sigh*

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Hello everyone, just a fun question. So basically as the title asks, if square enix restarted a server of 1.0 meaning graphics and world with all the updates of 2.0 meaning only content would you go back to the world of 1.0?

Me honestly.. I would.. Just for the wide open world and beautiful graphics. No offense I love playing 2.0 don't get me wrong, it's just, watching youtube vids of 1.0 and remembering the puzzle of the black shroud and figuring out how to get to grindania for the first time, I mean 1.0 just seemed so deep.. Like mind boggling deep at times.1.0 was just so beautiful I remember watching the sunrise in thanalan it was just breathtaking, I have never seen a mmorpg look that beautiful.

Anyway it's just a fun thread please no bashing simple yes or no and why or why not.

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Hahahahahaha.

Go back to the world of 1.0? Probably not even if it were free, even it being free in the past didn't entice me to stay. The game was just that bad.

The game wasn't that bad.
I feel like internet hive mind mentality led a ton of 4chan mouthbreathers to instantly hate it without ever even playing it, and they spread their "Infinite Wisdom" just to look like they were part of the cool kids.

It had issues, yeah. No way to see gear condition, repairs were convoluted, no MP Regen, reverse-XP bonus, randomized-XP gain, slightly clunky combat system... But the fact is, it was a fun, epic, mysterious world with a uniqueness that no other game has held for me since.
I play ARR because I love it. But it's a parallel for me, not a replacement.
I'd love to be able to play 1.0 again.

Sadly, shortsighted reviewers and the hordes of MMO hoppers clamoring for how SWtOR was the future and Aion was the WoW killer spread the gospel of how terribad XIV was. Most without ever having touched it.

Pity.

Well Square did agree that the game didn't live up to expectations...

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Well Square did agree that the game didn't live up to expectations...

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Yeah - that's what happens when you release a game based on corporate decision to try to beat out WoW's cataclysm long before it's finished.

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Yeah - that's what happens when you release a game based on corporate decision to try to beat out WoW's cataclysm long before it's finished.

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I was referring to the people who claim that reviewers and fans who hated 1.0-1.23 had "no idea what they were talking about" when they gave the game negative press. "It's a beta/it's not done yet" can't be the cop out excuse every time.

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I was referring to the people who claim that reviewers and fans who hated 1.0-1.23 had "no idea what they were talking about" when they gave the game negative press. "It's a beta/it's not done yet" can't be the cop out excuse every time.

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It can't be and I agree though for people that do not want to acknowledge reality, it is indeed an easy cop out.

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I was referring to the people who claim that reviewers and fans who hated 1.0-1.23 had "no idea what they were talking about" when they gave the game negative press. "It's a beta/it's not done yet" can't be the cop out excuse every time.

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It's been the same with ARR. "It's just re-released give them time", "It's not even the first patch yet give them time", "They're working on the PS4 version give them time", "They're working on the Chinese version give them time", "They're working on Fanfest give them time", "It's not even the first expansion yet give them time", "They haven't dropped PS3 support yet give them time", etc.

^Yeah those excuses are so old. I've given them plenty of time. They aren't getting any more of my money until the game is actually fun lol.

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It's been the same with ARR. "It's just re-released give them time", "It's not even the first patch yet give them time", "They're working on the PS4 version give them time", "They're working on the Chinese version give them time", "They're working on Fanfest give them time", "It's not even the first expansion yet give them time", "They haven't dropped PS3 support yet give them time", etc.

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But what exactly are we giving them more time to give? PS4 version came out, Chinese one is coming, Fanfest is happening, First expansion will come and set some directions of the game in stone. (I know these aren't your comments and quotes just I'm replying to it btw and when I used 'you're' under this it's not you're like YOU just a general statement.)

I'm not trying to cop out any 'excuses' for SE, the game is fun when you're not giving it expectations. Gold Saucer is a good example, can Gold Saucer end up really fun? Yep! it can.

Can it ever live up to the full blown expectations to follow the original Gold Saucer that a diehard FF7 fan who really loved it can have? No, Not ever. Set yourself up for least SOME disappointment.

Things like above is things that happens a lot. Atma, Hunts, Housing. All things hoped to be a way they never turned out to be in the end. This isn't completely SE's fault for us hyping ourselves up in hopes that it will be great and how we all individually picture it. (Not every one artist paints with the same stroke of the brush.)

Is it bad that we do? Not at all, we're not at fault for being excited for a game we really want to see go a good direction but at the same time when things are done like that then expect to be disappointed in the future.

Also keep in mind that everyone has different views, what can not be one persons gamer taste can be another gamer cup of tea easily. FFXIV does have points where it's a complete utter worth of $%#& like all the instanced and solo-able content that you can finish very fast at a non-super casual rate however there's also good sides to the game too as with any game.

I personally would love to see 1.0 just to experience the game that some players did love but I wouldn't trade in 2.4 for 1.0 other than just to see the view of another despite stuff I've heard from former 1.0 players about the early version of it.

Edit: and when I say Solo-able, I mean you don't need friends for anything. You just need strangers in a DF, not saying that's bad but you really don't need anyone unless it's raiding content or extremes which even then... you really don't need anyone once extremes come out in DF with echo buff or raids end up like first coil is right now.

i haven't played 1.0 since the Alpha/beta tests back in April 2010, i wouldn't mind visiting the past.

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Everything I've seen of 1.0 looks super boring.

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That's the point of many people around the world if they play 1.0.
I chose this reply to answer also to someone there who making questions like "what part of 1.0 is better" ect:

1.0 is better in nothing technically speaking, but the so familiar Uematsu' sounds, the Akihiko Yoshida's world that reached top quality, the care for details, the feeling of battle, the way to slowly grow up your character and even the pain to reach rewards like FFXI did at its time made FFXIV a true old school Final Fantasy online and sorry, I have no words to explain that, it's something who only players who belong to this saga since the start can feel.

These music video bring me emotions, memories you will remember forever like every FF titles did in the past (aside FF13).

La Noscea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI1kVnttsks
Limsa Lominsa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE19Mz4Wu2w
Mor Dhona: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BbsGYf5-_c

I am enjoying FFXIV ARR both for the game itself that is nice in every way and for the wonderful people I am playing with, but I will never trade emotions for gameplay. :)

I'd enjoy 1.0 again to experience the lore/story again. While watching cutscenes are nice, there's something special about actually unlocking them.

...alternatively, they could just give us the 1.0 main scenerio quests through some Echo gameplay or something and I'd eat that up.

There are reasons why there's still some ppl who still longing for the old Eorzea. I'm sorry for ppl who dislike 1.0 and especially for those who only plays like what? several days only?

You can't really make a definite judgement by the short amount of play, kinda a bias to me.

And for crying out loud, again with the lame copy-paste excuse? Can you tell me a game that's really has every unique texture on the whole area? Even ARR has copied textures, not as much as 1.0, but there is. In fact, there isn't any single game from beginning till now that has a very unique texture. cmiiw

Just recently, I just walk past an electronic store, On the Philips TV set, it has demo showing FFXIV 1.0 of Uldah's opening scene. on big 40" screen. For an old demo, it still gives out great charm. It looks awesome.
Then I ran the old 1.0 benchmark which shows Limsa opening, complete with Leviathan ravaging the seas. It was epic!
Then later on, I felt really sad because there's no way I can see demo of Gridania opening which also funny and epic too, something I can only recall from my memory when I first start 1.0 at Shroud. Only youtube can quench my thirst of old memories.

And now, I don't recall anything I really hate, besides that awful RNG on that Ifrit drops which unfortunately still carried on heavily into ARR. And oh... how I very much despise the current Coerthas. Very very very ugly compared with 1.0. I can't even see the majestic Ishgard anymore...

http://i.imgur.com/dB8Ef.jpg

oh... how i longed to see these sights again...

http://i.imgur.com/ciEsCJd.jpg

Nope. My PC could barely run it, so I didn't get much out of it sadly. Runs ARR max settings. <3

@BobbinT;

I think both parties are a little bias to an extent, I am sure some players do wish 1.0 came back. Some of my friends could tell me all day about how they miss how open world it was or the music/graphics from 1.0 that isn't inside 2.0.

I also know some really like 2.0 for small changes and probably wouldn't go back to waiting 5~10 mins for an auction house page to show up or some things that they mentioned that they felt could of been tweaked.

I think... there's good and bad memories for any player from 1.0. I personally would of loved the music to stay in ARR and not just the music that was linked in this thread cause I also heard other themes from 1.0, though I have nothing against Soken's music either. I really really did want to try 1.0 in the past and wanted a PC that could run it back then but didn't have the option at the time.

I don't think it's bashing towards 1.0 good memories or potential to be great but rather how it played for certain players at the time and the memories of the frustration they felt. I really prefer for no one to bash either versions though considering imo both had/has flaws and good aspects to go with it.

I enjoyed many of the fights, and thought that the gear grind was harder then it was now, for example, it would take forever to get a single weapon from ifrit if you wanted it to be the right one when ifrit first came out. I would love to go back, and I would even pay to go back.

We'd get to actually be social again! We could..*gasp* converse without wiping our entire party or be forced to use VIOP. Oh how I miss 1.xx.....

I really miss EXP parties :(

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We'd get to actually be social again! We could..*gasp* converse without wiping our entire party or be forced to use VIOP.

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Which are things that can actually be done right now if you put an once of effort into it.

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Which are things that can actually be done right now if you put an once of effort into it.

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Wow, how fast do you type that you can enter a full sentence in 2.5 seconds between when you have to hit the next button for your skill rotation. *rolls eyes*

Anyway, here is my point of view:

Yes, yes a thousand times, yes. I would like it very much if there was some way to get back to 1.0 or 1.23.

Everything had weight and depth. If you turned off display names, both players and mobs blended seamlessly into the terrain as if it was real life. When I trekked to Camp Bluefog, I really felt the distance from the city. I had to be prepared, for the city was not just a thought away. I even liked the way you paid for teleports. Made me consider if it was worth it to teleport, or if I should just walk. And when I walked, the scenery was so pretty, I didn't mind the long trek.

Also, regarding the open world, I really, really, REALLY miss being able to see gathering points as I walked past, no matter what job I was on. I leveled botanist up to 16 just from gathering at the small spots I would find while I was on my way somewhere else. I don't see any reason why they had to get rid of that :/

Copy/Pasta terrain is not something I ever really noticed, nor do I think it's even a bad thing. In real life, if you go into any area that's not the city, don't all of the rocks, hills, trees and other pieces of landscape look the same anyway? ^^

Combat had depth, and strategy was more important than memorization and good ping time.

Content (when more of it was added, credit where credit is due, when Yoshi took over, a bunch of good content was added) but, content, it had replay value. Gear wasn't instantly outdated with the next update. You could have different builds of gear and skills for your character, you could even use classes (not jobs) and still be viable, sometimes even more useful.

They instituted a token system for primal fights. This means that eventually, you would be able to get the weapon you want. It wasn't handed to you, but it wasn't totally random with the very real possibility that you NEVER see the drop you want. All the time the moogle fight has been available, and I STILL don't have moogle fists :/

The story in 1.0 had more depth and feels. The npc's had more background story and way more personality. Even before the calamity, the storyline in 1.0 was so much more moving. Say what you will about combat, the new engine, new server structure, etc. but I grew up with "Final Fantasy" being so much about the great story. 2.0 story has NO depth. I am one of those people that usually hang on every word in quests and main story. In 2.0, not only do I just keep hitting Enter for quest dialogue, but I find myself just skipping through main story dialogue as well because none of it means anything. I haven't been made to care at all about any of these people, and more often than not, they just annoy me. (a side point is that as a survivor of the calamity, I was waiting for 2.0 to see what happened to Louisoix, and they walled that s**t off behind the HARDEST CONTENT IN THE FREAKING GAME. Totally not right when 1.0 started you off with crafting being a viable option for a starting class. How 'easy' coil is now is NOT up for discussion since instant death mechanics are still part of that fight no matter how much echo buff you have, and not everyone can control lag, and not everyone has fantastic motor memory and control.)

Crafting was meaningful and you were able to progress through the storyline AS a crafter, without ever having to open a battle class. I really, really miss that aspect of the original 1.0.

By no means am I saying that 1.0 didn't have flaws, oh, it did. UI lag was ridiculous, I don't even want to remember the fact that there was no auction house, and there was so little content at launch. But, 1.0 had story, depth, ideals and a vision that I really appreciated and wished that we could have seen it really fleshed out and fully supported.

I'm SO disappointed in the glamour system. I don't always want to wear the same outfit, why couldn't it be a simple drag and drop? Why are vanity gears harder to get than ilvl 110 gear?? When the hardest gear to get is a swimsuit or a sleeping robe, then there's something really off about your vision for an MMORPG.

And housing, oh housing. I'd rather that it didn't exist at all than this farce that we were given. The current 'personal housing' system cannot be rationally defended by anyone possessing any sense.

With the additions that were made by the time of 1.23, I really had faith that Yoshi would take what existed and make it better. Instead, we got a flashy, yet generic game that's all about getting the new gearz and shiniez.

(Increasingly, I find myself wondering if the 'additions' of 1.23 hadn't already been planned out as part of the story and weren't really Yoshi's idea, because what we have now, vs. what 1.23 was, do NOT seem like the work of the same person/team)

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Which are things that can actually be done right now if you put an once of effort into it.

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Sure! I'll get right on that. I'll see how well it goes over when I try to have a little chat while doing SCOB. Or ST even.

Or Lost City. Yup..gonna go over real well.

Also EXP PT...so many people willing to grind off of super easy mobs that give so little reward!

I'd go back. I liked 1.23 combat combos. If it was finished properly the skill chain combos we could do would have been really fun to string together. Alas we will never get skillchains in ARR.

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Sure! I'll get right on that. I'll see how well it goes over when I try to have a little chat while doing SCOB. Or ST even.

Or Lost City. Yup..gonna go over real well.

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Your inability to do it doesn't mean everybody else can't.

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Your inability to do it doesn't mean everybody else can't.

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By all means, go into SCOB and strike up a good convo like you could in 1.23 while mid-fight. Be sure to share it and record it. Please stop with the hyperbole.

There is no way you have time to type and chat in SCOB.

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I'd go back. I liked 1.23 combat combos. If it was finished properly the skill chain combos we could do would have been really fun to string together. Alas we will never get skillchains in ARR.

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Yeah. Same here! We were told we'd get Battle Regimen back. Instead we got Limit Break and told that is our new Battle Regimen. Lol...

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Wow, how fast do you type that you can enter a full sentence in 2.5 seconds between when you have to hit the next button for your skill rotation. *rolls eyes*

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By all means, go into SCOB and strike up a good convo like you could in 1.23 while mid-fight. Be sure to share it and record it. Please stop with the hyperbole.

There is no way you have time to type and chat in SCOB.

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You easily can without wiping your group (except T8(in my opinion) due to tight DPS check). Nowhere did I say you would be performing optimally however.

Not that it really matters to me in the end since I use VoIP for anything that requires communication and I have a much easier time socializing by talking than by typing.

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You easily can without wiping your group (except T8(in my opinion) due to tight DPS check). Nowhere did I say you would be performing optimally however.

Not that it really matters to me in the end since I use VoIP for anything that requires communication and I have a much easier time socializing by talking than by typing.

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I don't even know if I should bother replying anymore lol. That was my point...and you just proved it! :rolleyes:

I originally said that I wanted to be able to be social while fighting the hardest stuff, like ifrit, etc (in 1.0) without replying on VOIP. Oh my goodness...

Using VOIP in 90% of the time means you will talk to only people you already know, meaning..you won't meet nearly as many new people! Huzzah...furthermore , meaning THERES NO POINT TO TEXT CHAT IN THE GAME LOL.

Welp, that's enough internet for today.

I think typing a full story in game chat is exclusive to FFXI and FFXIV...any other game that was action orientated never allowed you to do that. But I guess that's what people want? That unique property?

Yeah, in an 8 page thread, let's dwell on that one aspect of 1.0 that people have mentioned and continue talking about how difficult it can be to converse. :/

At any rate, some of these threads make it really easy to determine who should be added to ignore lists ^^

1.0 is destroyed by dragon king no such thing as 1.0 it died with the old man with the cane.

Also player base killed it, if they supported the first game to begin with then it would of survived but since that didn't happen it failed.

Yes it would be awesome to have a more open world adventure feeling but it will not happen they aren't gonna waste their time to get rid of everything they built to go backwards.

Plus I didn't like a few things in FFXIV original like the running and sliding, the battle system and I didn't like the fact that sometimes when riding the boat I fell into the ocean or bumped a table and disconnected or monsters getting stuck in the middle of your body spinning.

other than that the game was solid.

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Yeah - that's what happens when you release a game based on corporate decision to try to beat out WoW's cataclysm long before it's finished.

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correct me if I'm wrong but I swear I remember the original announced release date for XIV was supposed to be either in 2012 or 2013(I couldn't find the announcement after quite a while of searching so I only have memory to go off of), they were foolish to release it in 2010 either way.

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I think folks are more attached to the memories they made in the past iteration of the game; the adventures, the friends, and whatnot.

Once you take off the nostalgia glasses, it was simply a bad game. Sure, there were a few quality gems of things here and there but all in all it was just not up to the job.

Nah, I wouldn't play 1.0 again.

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I can assure you, it is the gameplay my friends and I miss. The lag and lack of content, no. The battle system...YES.

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correct me if I'm wrong but I swear I remember the original announced release date for XIV was supposed to be either in 2012 or 2013(I couldn't find the announcement after quite a while of searching so I only have memory to go off of), they were foolish to release it in 2010 either way.

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Yeah, they stated it was originally TBA 2010 and potentially into 2011 or later given the dual development of FFXI's Wings of the Goddess. Given enough time they would have realized using the crystal tools engine as well was a bad decision, since it was still early enough to develop a custom engine or switch over to say unreal at that point, or even XI's engine with modifications.

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Yeah, they stated it was originally TBA 2010 and potentially into 2011 or later given the dual development of FFXI's Wings of the Goddess. Given enough time they would have realized using the crystal tools engine as well was a bad decision, since it was still early enough to develop a custom engine or switch over to say unreal at that point, or even XI's engine with modifications.

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personally I still think they could have avoided a lot of problems by just using the Unreal Engine or some other well established game engine. XI's engine might have been a bad idea since it was a based on the playonline launcher wrapper that was designed for the PS2.

I think the Unreal Engine would have been the best choice givin the game and it would have made their lives easier. but since it is someone else's product I think SE felt that would be admitting defeat.

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correct me if I'm wrong but I swear I remember the original announced release date for XIV was supposed to be either in 2012 or 2013(I couldn't find the announcement after quite a while of searching so I only have memory to go off of), they were foolish to release it in 2010 either way.

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It released in 2009. I quit the game in December of 2009 and started playing again in February of 2010.

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It released in 2009. I quit the game in December of 2009 and started playing again in February of 2010.

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Hmmm... the alpha if I recall correctly started in Apr '10, and the game finally released on Sep 22 of 2010, I think you are remembering incorrectly.

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It released in 2009. I quit the game in December of 2009 and started playing again in February of 2010.

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Hmmm... the alpha if I recall correctly started in Feb '10, and the game finally released on Sep 22 of 2010, I think you are remembering incorrectly.

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this doesnt change the fact that the game was released unfinished. with a game engine that took too much for that time and plant pots that had as much graphics wise as character models.

the mistakes were SE was hoping that more people would have systems that could handle that version of crystal tools engine and they had too many people working on things separately hoping that dropping it all together would work.

We just have to see how many where playing 1.x and how many are actually playing 2.x to understand why they've had to change.

Just my 2 Gils