The logical thing to do would be to post the review after 1.18 when the rules set in Eorzia are going to change, whether its for the good or bad is yet to be seen, however because of all the changes, whether they are good or bad there will still be alot of changes so the review will still be redundant. It also fuels the corruption argument, again we are not saying the content was bad just that in 4-6 days alot of what was mentioned will change for better or worse is yet to be seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joeking
Edit: Oh and Abriael we should do somthing on ffxiv sometime come one and all join the "banned from mmorpg for no reason club" lol
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07-19-2011, 10:23 AMDelsus
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07-19-2011, 10:29 AMArlekielBut you dont know that... I mean all we kinda know is the small hints of the forums and the lodestone information (that incluides a letter from tanaka). There are many things that can happen... before that.. just look at what happend with the whole tsunami, and earthquake. You dont even know if the new system without fatigue is going to be good (after all we are all going to beta test it... kinda of). Afterall , by guiding ourselves by ur arguments then it would never be a "good moment" to make a review. When the first patch was comming out it would be like "give it time, tanaka just took the lead". Before the 1.17 it would be like "Grand companies are being anounced maybe they are comming next patch". This game is leading everyone by the hope of the "next big one" . Even if they review the game after 1.18 then it would be like "He should wait until 1.19 when chocobos are comming". Afterall you cant argue with "in two days its going to be garbage or misleading" because you dont know whats going to happen on the future. And this game is leading us by hopes about the next patch being an "improvement" to the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
The review TODAY is good. In three or four days IF they release 1.18 and IF they dont split it into 1.18a and 1.18b and IF they implement everything they had promised so far and IF the new changes are good and they actually improve the gameplay THEN I say we go and start a flame war on the forums (count me in), and ask (in a very demanding way) for a new review for the game.
Afterall those are alot of "IF" and I really do have my hopes those ifs come true... im here posting, reading the lodestone hoping for the best, and I know im not alone.
The review is good today... if the guy who made this review made a review that its going to be valid only for 3 days then its HIS problem (afterall he would have to work on a new one, as he says..). -
07-19-2011, 10:41 AMAbriaelI hate to repeat myself but...Quote:
Originally Posted by Arlekiel
We DO know that there's going to be a sizable amount of additional content in the game compared to now. Also, we do know that combat is going to be factually different.
Better or worse has no relevance to that fact. The fact is that the game is going to be *different* turning this "review" into an irrelevant heap of ill-conceived hyperbole.
The changes *are* going to happen, and they are no "rumor" (as the wannabe writer writes). They are officially confirmed information.
A review is not just it's score. The fact that the score might be higher or lower in four days is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the information included in the review is going to be irrelevant and misleading in four days.
As for being "good today". Sorry but no. That review is made of 10% fact and 90% hyperbole. Without even counting all the missed elements (that are the reason why a reviewer should play a game a reasonable amount of time, which the reviewer didn't, as the screenshots imply), it's simply no representation of what the game is today.
The fact that she may have randomly stumbled on *some* actually valid complaints doesn't make the review any more valid. A review isn't simply a list of complaints (that you can find in any forum, as that writer probably did), but a fair assessment of a game's pros and cons. This review doesn't even get near to that.
Let's not even go into the fact that she doesn't even know how to technically write a review (considering the functionality of the UI in the score for the graphics? LOL. Where are we, preschool?), and the picture is clear.
Not only this review is poor (and suspicious) in it's timing, but it's quality is extremely poor under every point of view.
I'd expect better from an even slightly experienced random blogger. From someone that fancies herself a journalist on a high-traffic site, this is simply shameful.
As someone that has been a gaming writer (both on print and online) for several years, I find absolutely baffling that there are some willing to defend "writers" that went out of their way to misinform them.
Unfortunately the internet has taught me new and creative meanings for the definition "devil's advocate". -
07-19-2011, 10:47 AMgiftforce
One aspect of FFXIV that is a refreshing change from the norm is the class system.
Hilarious.
A feature Yoshi is DESTROYING patch after patch. -
07-19-2011, 10:55 AMAbriaelGot banned again Gifthorse?Quote:
Originally Posted by giftforce
I don't see anything being "destroyed" (mind you, your statement is also factually false due to the fact that the team didn't touch the class system *at all* yet, let alone "patch after patch"). "destroying" would be taking the armory system and just trashing it as some ill advised goons demanded in this forum and elsewhere.
What the team is doing (unless they completely go back on what they announced so far) is building upon the armory system, actually adding even more options. -
07-19-2011, 10:59 AMgiftforce
Reading the comments for the review is hilarious.
I wish there were more people like that on these forums. People who actually want things instead of the apologetic and ever-forgiving FF fans here who would be happy with nothing at all provided they had some vague promise by the leadership of adding something "in the future, maybe". -
07-19-2011, 11:05 AMJoeking
The review is correct for its intended audience, people who hold no reverence for "Final Fantasy". Plus I thought it would be more joyous around here considering it got 51/100.. 51 that's pretty good considering, though if I reviewing it would look something like this, short and simple;
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07-19-2011, 11:08 AMShikyoHe's right, the guy gave a honest review of the game as it is NOW, and right now I'd say its a pretty freakin spot on for a review.Quote:
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07-19-2011, 11:12 AMRaze
Anyone who plays multiple MMOs and looks at their corresponding reviews will quickly see that the site is complete horse hockey. They gave Warhammer a pretty outstanding rating when it first came out (and Mythic was giving them advertising $$$ for months) and once they cut the advertising (it turns out the game was... gasp!... not as good as they said), they began dropping the rating. Give me a break. Like FFXIV, don't like FFXIV, whatever. Do yourself a favor and don't base your opinion on this high school rumor mill of a web site.
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07-19-2011, 11:31 AMJoekingMetacritic average score from 26 reviewsQuote:
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49/100
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07-19-2011, 11:40 AMRazeHey give me more evidence from like 3 months ago please. You're really making a good point for yourself early 2011. Pat yourself on the back.Quote:
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07-19-2011, 11:43 AMJoekingJust some reviews based on your warhammer comments on its release and how they paid people. I would pat myself though currently in public don't wanna weird people out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raze
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07-19-2011, 11:53 AMRaze
Oh I see, you thought I meant player rankings, and not the "official reviews" that are clearly written by people whose payment comes from their extremely heavy advertising. Yeah, they're not paying people in back alleys to vote for their games. I am sorry you didn't understand.
All in all I agree with you, XIV wouldn't have been a great x-mas present in 2010. -
07-19-2011, 12:06 PMJoekingRemind of this, from the Simpsons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raze
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07-19-2011, 12:18 PMTigercub
I think everything the writer said was justified but it should have been written at least 6 months ago.
It's pointless to write it now, not just when considering the fact that things are changing soon but because everything the review points out is ancient history. If you missed the boat then don't bother. What a waste of time, on multiple levels. -
07-19-2011, 12:33 PMAmagethen stop playingQuote:
Originally Posted by Vix_Spellweaver
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07-19-2011, 12:44 PMAmagemotion capture tech. Done!Quote:
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07-19-2011, 12:55 PMCichyAlot of those people get banned on here for speaking out their mind as alot of the times they have strong opinion about the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by giftforce
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07-19-2011, 01:01 PMdarkstarpoet1
what's funny is on release people jumped on the reviewers for legit reviews such as this one. they said wait for 6 months and most sites did that. when their 6 month review came out they jumped on them for those legit arguments. then 6 was told to wait until around mid june for the battle changes. this site waited not only until mid june til mid/late july and people are jumping on them. if they held off reviews til 2020 people would still be complaining they didn't give yoshi enough time.
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07-19-2011, 01:18 PM141414
My English is unskilled.
Could you ..Japanese.. translate the content of this site?
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/g...oad/147/page/1 -
07-19-2011, 01:29 PMRazeI agreed with this until I realized the post on the bottom of the last page has a link to about 26 six month reviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1
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07-19-2011, 01:35 PMgiftforceThey will re-review FFXIV again at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raze
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07-19-2011, 01:44 PMAbriaelVery doubtful. The moderating team in this forum is extremely lenient even with evident trolls. That's why some posting around here, filling the forums with disgusting hyperboles, gratuitous bashing and pure venom are still allowed to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cichy
Which is indeed a pity.
The review not only isn't legit, but it's also extremely poorly written and misinformative.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1
1: it comes four days before a major patch. A patch that was announced and that any gaming journalist worth their salt should know about. If the review was written a lot of time ago, then it should have simply voided and rewritten after. When you're too slow to proofread/greenlighted your articles, then maybe you shouldn't do this job.
2: it's full of hyperbolic statements, that are the worst enemies of a fair review.
3: the reviewer doesn't even know how to write a review. Lumping up the functionality of the UI in the graphics would make any even slightly experienced writer laugh is rear off.
It's absolutely funny how some rabid haters (that must be somehow obsessed with this game, considering that they do nothing else than spit on it at every single post they write, yet they are completely unable to let go and move on like any sane person would do) would bend over twice to defend any review that speaks negatively of the game they hate. No matter if it flies in the face of logic, reality and the very basics of journalistic integrity.
Funny little tidbit, i wrote to the mmorpg.com community manager just to see if he saw reason, and he immediately rescinded my ban as it wasn't justified. At least someone in that site knows what's fair. -
07-19-2011, 02:29 PMJynx
I could care less what they scored the game I just think it's borderline retarded to release your MMO review before a big, meaty patch like this.
Hell I'm starting to wonder if they didn't do the review when the game released and just forgot to post it until now, hell at least that would make some god damn sense as to why the only pictures they posted were of a level 2 character, and hardly mention anything about the game aside that they dislike it. -
07-19-2011, 02:29 PMPhysicthe beefs he has are accurate, the disclaimer is accurate, his review is not that different from reviews 3 months ago, or 6 months ago, because not much has changed. I understand you think people should wait for major content patches, but there is no real journalistic reason to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
After 10 months the entire worth of your game is assumed to not depend on 1 patch. Maybe for this game it may happen one day, but you cant hold a journalistic community up to what may one day be, or what is coming next. Realistically most of her issues arent meant to be dealth with in this next patch, so her review coming now wont matter. The projected date for a review that might make people change thier tunes is not till after sept most likely, since they have said what they expect to have done by 1.20.
Its not the end of the world, but it is an accurate review of the game as it stands, we ll see how accurate it will be in 4 days, but it will probably be accurate still. -
07-19-2011, 02:41 PMXatsh
For a normal patch I would agree, it is normal to not expect major changes.. Like Rift a new dungeon patch is just adding more of the same.
But for the last 3 months the devs have been redoing the core foundations of the game. The battle system, the focus, as well as adding a ton of new things.
These patches... are truly game changing patchs... not as in miracle patch, but they are literally changing what FFXIV is.
Nothing has been changed because everything under Yoshida is being revealed in the following 3 patches.
Honestly chances are the FFXIV we see now is not even the game it will be 3 months from now. New game focus, new leveling style, new battle system, new job system, dungeons, bst encampments, companys, so on and so on... honestly none of it is the same as the current XIV.
So why would anyone knowingly review a game right before the massive changes? Maby they didn't know...but if that is the case... why is that person reviewing a game in the first place?
The review is correct... but he did not even mention the massive changes coming up... in fact he said they where all rumor... which is just 100% bs and everyone on this forum knows it. The review has no clue what is happening to the game, which means really he should not be the one to review it. -
07-19-2011, 02:47 PMAbriaelSome are, most are overdramatized and full of hyperbole (which voids the "accurate" part). Exactly like many you could copy/paste from forums, mind you. Most definitely they don't look written by a professional gaming journo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Physic
Of course the review is even more accurate because the writer conveniently forgot to write about quite a few relevant positive aspects of the game.
While simple list of cherry picked beef can most certanly satisfy the haters, that's not what a review is.
No. It's not, as it calls officially confirmed data "rumors".Quote:
the disclaimer is accurate
You must be playing a different game than I do, Or must have not been here six months ago.Quote:
his review is not that different from reviews 3 months ago, or 6 months ago, because not much has changed.
The fact that a review has a fairly big possibility to become obsolete, irrelevant and misleading four days after publishing it is a HELL of a journalistic reason to hold it back.Quote:
I understand you think people should wait for major content patches, but there is no real journalistic reason to.
Journalistic community? Lol. Who are we kidding? We aren't talking about the "journalistic community" (of which, mind you, I've been part for a long, long while), we're talking about a site that didn't publish the review of a game for 10 months, for some weird reason, and then randomly came up with one very conveniently four days before a major update. That's idiotic and unprofessional at best, fishy at worst.Quote:
Maybe for this game it may happen one day, but you cant hold a journalistic community up to what may one day be, or what is coming next.
The extensive use of hyperbole makes it inaccurate by definition. Now, and even more so in 4 days.Quote:
Its not the end of the world, but it is an accurate review of the game as it stands, we ll see how accurate it will be in 4 days, but it will probably be accurate still.
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07-19-2011, 02:55 PMRinsuiAllow me to reserve my judgement.Quote:
Honestly chances are the FFXIV we see now is not even the game it will be 3 months from now. New game focus, new leveling style, new battle system, new job system, dungeons, bst encampments, companys, so on and so on... honestly none of it is the same as the current XIV.
Up to now, all of that is still "announced", and not "implemented". -
07-19-2011, 02:55 PMJoekingBest I can do.Quote:
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Google Translate trying its best. -
07-19-2011, 02:56 PMReika
The review and reviewer are both stupid. One week and those numbers might have increased significantly. I would just ignore that review and tell your friends to ignore it too.
Also, Lori May, if you're reading this somehow: Never write another review in your life. -
07-19-2011, 02:58 PMAbriaelWhich is exactly what any gaming journalist with a shred of integrity would do, at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinsui
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07-19-2011, 02:58 PMdarkstarpoet1
we have to remember a review of the game was posted and all reviews are based purely off someones opinion on the game. we may not agree with it, but because i don't agree with everything they said does not make it wrong. i don't want auto-attack, but that does not make your reasoning for wanting it wrong. i don't want jump in game, but it doesn't make others wrong for wanting it.
if we have more reasonable discussions instead of the constant go play the other game responses that are always thrown around maybe more could at least understand where the opinions come from. just because his review does not fit what you believe to be accurate does not mean his is inaccurate. the thing is we all have a habit of throwing insults anytime someone disagrees with us. the fact is his review is only one opinion.
you would attack me if i wrote an honest review of what i feel about the game at this point also. on release i felt the game was round a 5.1-6.0 and even though some think it's gotten better i would put a ranking around a 4.0-4.5 at this point. just because my opinion differs from yours does not mean either of us is wrong, but noting more than we see things differently.
yes, they could have waited a week and put out a review afterwards, but then people are gonna shout about how this was just the first step in changing and wait til 1.20. then they will push it back even farther and clam the next one is the golden patch. the thing is if the changes do drastically change the things they bring up in the review then it becomes irrelevant, but until they do it's relevant to them.Quote:
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07-19-2011, 03:02 PMJynxRumor has it that the person who wrote the review, wrote a pretty terrible review.Quote:
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07-19-2011, 03:03 PMReikaYea, but writing a review KNOWING theres pretty much a ginormous patch coming in the week you write the review, and only stating the current negatives but not what the patch is going to bring, is a big waste of time, both to write and to read.Quote:
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07-19-2011, 03:07 PMJynxMy FFXIV Review: Blah blah blah, game sucks as is, blah blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1
Score. 3/10
Now...when to post this, lets say...four days before my entire review will become obsolete. I could...you know wait for a few days and make sure all my facts check out and whatnot.
But screw that shit! Journalistic integrity is for babies.
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07-19-2011, 03:07 PMdarkstarpoet1now that i completely agree with that what is coming should have been mentioned, but they cannot give rave reviews on anything that is not in game yet. the only other thing about saying what is coming in this patch is we do not even know how much of it will play into the system to make things better or worse so it'd be hard to talk it up until then. they should have mentioned the upcoming changes and that's about as far as they could have went with it.Quote:
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07-19-2011, 03:11 PMReika
Then the woman should have waited instead of giving a review that wont last through the week. instead she had to take some silly screen shots of the beginning of the game with her newly created pug that she killed one whole wharf rat with and blast the game in its soon to be altered entirety.
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07-19-2011, 03:12 PMAbriaelA review is not an opinion piece. A rant is an opinion piece (and a poor one). A review needs to be solidly based on facts. Not on hyperbole. On facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1
This one simply isn't.
If you feel that the game at this point is worth a 4/4.5, that's a good reason why you aren't a gaming journalist. Because just like the one that wrote this review you arn't able to fairly assess the pros and cons of a game (and I'm giving her the benefit of doubt by chalking the poor review simply to lack of competence, because there are some clear elements that indicate lazyness and/or intentional bashing, which is way worse in a journalist).
Sorry mate, but you should know better than pulling such an extreme strawman rgument.Quote:
yes, they could have waited a week and put out a review afterwards, but then people are gonna shout about how this was just the first step in changing and wait til 1.20. then they will push it back even farther and clam the next one is the golden patch. the thing is if the changes do drastically change the things they bring up in the review then it becomes irrelevant, but until they do it's relevant to them.
There's a big and wide difference between posting a review months before a major patch and doing it four days before.
You continue to harp on the fact that the rants listed in the review won't be changed by 1.18, but again, a review is (and should be) *not* just a list of complaints.
Without even going on the fact that combat is being changed, and combat is a major aspect of a mmorpg, 1.18 has the full potential to add very enjoyable aspects to the game (grand companies missions, dungeons, new quests etcetera), which means that it could easily add more *positive points* (that are already sorely lacking in this review) to a review.
Those tend to be rather relevant too, you know? -
07-19-2011, 03:15 PMJynxWhile it would happen, the ammount of people and their logical footing would be far weaker than it is right now.Quote:
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As it stands there is perfectly sound reasoning to call someone out for releasing the review at this point in time, after 1.18 and 1.19 a month+ away? Not so much. -
07-19-2011, 03:18 PMReika
That review reminds me of the old cartoon 'The Critic' In how she just basically said "It Stinks"
Really... one wharf rat kill and she thinks she knows the games future.